posted June 26, 2011 12:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Also, another chart,if you care to that you could put up on a separate thread on this forum is WHAT was transiting during your break up. Discussing thiw will be for the future ,though.
For now, I want to stay on our present track until we reach the end of that.

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posted June 27, 2011 10:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Don't tell me quite yet. I know you are dying lol
I am thinking there may be a Lie asteroid if there is one or a Deception asteroid or Deceit etc
I don't know.There are a million asteroids as you know.
Yes,I think there is a Lie one.
Ok,see where that one is. I want to see if I can find the story in the charts before you tell me.
We are close to when you can

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Hellooo!! How are you doing??
I have had a chance to look up Lie now. I found the asteroid Echo in my searches. I am unsure if this asteroids colours our whole relationship differently.

ECHO
Keywords:- being ignored, one-sided attraction, delusions of romance, love illusion, unrealistic romantic expectations, shallow relationships, infidelity, dealing with egotistical others, insensitivity, rushing an experience

Mythology

In Ancient Greek mythology, Echo was a mountain nymph who loved the sound of her own voice. In one version of her story, Zeus, would often visit Earth to frolic whatever nymph was his fancy of the moment, with his wife, Hera sneaking along now and then – to keep an eye on his philandering. Echo, in these instances, would cover Zeus’s romps by amusing Hera with exciting stories. When Hera discovered the ruse, she punished Echo by taking away her voice – except on one condition. Echo could only be heard repeating the words of others. Echo had fallen in love with Narcissus and one day, she followed him as he hunted. After she had repeated him a few times and he still had no idea who was following him, she ran out of the shadows and into his arms, hoping for a loving embrace. It was not to be and Narcissus pushed her to the side, leaving her heartbroken and wailing. From that moment on, she would haunt the empty fields mourning – her tears the only remnant of her voice.

Astrology
To locate asteroid 60 Echo in your natal chart, head over to serennu.com or astro.com and input the number 60 in the additional objects field. Keep your aspects major – conjunction, square, opposition, sextile, quincunx and trine and your orbs tight, within 1-2 degree.

In your natal chart, Echo can indicate numerous elements. There is the obvious regards communications difficulties, but there is also the fact that her skill – her voice – was abused in a cover up scenario. Here you have the classic, salesman persona – where empty words are a talent used for gain. Famous conman, Frank Abagnale, with the questionable date I could find, does have Echo trine Mercury. However, whilst sales can be a natural career leaning, many who experience Echo in aspect are only able to dabble in this field of expertise, when they believe in the product. These individuals also struggle with the lies and innuendo that are often attached to industry in general.

Echo is also relevant within love relations, where words are shallow, and hidden affairs can be an underlying factor. Other options include the Echo individual being quite prone to creating a love affair in their minds, where no possibility actually exists. For someone who experiences Echo in aspect in the natal chart, they would need to be aware of the deception factor attached the asteroid, as well as the natural tendency to rely on the surface nature of words. The Echo individual would also need to learn to take relationships and the life experience in general, at a slower pace and learn not to rush into situations. This is a classic indicator of an individual who will leap before they look, and who chooses to ignore their instincts of caution.

In transit, natal Echo is a trigger event for deception. It is a time when your feel as if your words are falling onto deaf ears, and your efforts are being thwarted by an egotistical other. Be wary of love affairs that begin with transits to or from asteroid Echo, and think twice before ignoring instincts of warning.

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Lie sits in my chart at 8.23 Aries 3rd House
Lie sits in Mr Gemini's chart at 17.37 Aries 11th House. Thought I'd look up aspects conjunction, opposition, square, trine and sesquiquadrate.

His chart:

LIE conjunct APHRODITE (0.19)
LIE oppose ECHO (1.50)

My chart:

LIE square APHRODITE (0.31)
LIE square VESTA (0.20)
LIE trine NESSUS (0.37)
LIE square BRIDE (0.10)
LIE sesquiquadrate my PANDORA/DC (0.14/0.38)

(yikes hehe)

Synastry Chart:

My LIE sesquiquadrate his HERA (0.11)
My LIE sesquiquadrate his ISIS (1.33)
My LIE sesquiquadrate his DC (0.20)
My LIE square his EROS (0.01)

His LIE oppose my MOON (0.39)

Am not sure about what this all means.

Echo sits in my chart at 24.53 Leo, 7th House.
Echo sits in Mr Gemini's chart at 19.27 Libra in his 5th House.

His Chart:

ECHO oppose LIE (1.50)
ECHO oppose APHRODITE (1.31)
ECHO trine APOLLO (0.30)

My chart:

ECHO conjunct PANDORA (1.45)
ECHO trine PHOLUS (1.01)
ECHO trine HERA (0.44)

Synastry Chart:

My ECHO conjunct his HERA (1.42)
My ECHO square his AC/DC (1.11)
My ECHO opposite his MOON (0.01)
My ECHO trine his CUPIDO (0.15)
My ECHO square his MERCURY (1.03)
My ECHO sesquiquadrate his EROS (0.29)

His ECHO conjunct my MOON (1.11)

This is very weird! LOL

Transits
Transit LIE at the time of the breakup (16.13 Gemini)

Transit Lie conjunct Transit Venus (also at the time of the Solar Eclipse in Cancer)

My chart: 4th House; His chart: 1st House

T-LIE conjunct MrGem SUN (0.11)
T-LIE oppose MrGem NEPTUNE (1.29)
T-LIE square MrGem POF (1.22)
T-LIE sextile MrGem LIE (1.24)

T-LIE trine My PSYCHE (1.43)
T-LIE square My PALLAS (0.23)

Transit ECHO at the time of the breakup (19.27 Libra)

T-ECHO conjunct MrGem ECHO (0.00) ~~!!!
This activates all his natal aspects.
T-ECHO oppose LIE (1.50)
T-ECHO oppose APHRODITE (1.31)
T-ECHO trine APOLLO (0.30)

T-ECHO conjunct My MOON (1.11)

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Hope this wasn't too much info! What do you think about asteroid Echo??

posted June 27, 2011 11:11 AM            

I see Echo as the pair to Narcissus. N loved himself and Echo loved N.

I see it as a yearning love that goes unrequited cuz the N person CANNOT GIVE BACK ****gulp****

posted June 27, 2011 11:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I just had one sec to look and I will come back .
However,it is so COOL that you put Echo on.
I would think about Echo at odd times and then forget about it when I got back to the computer.
Have to do some things but can't wait to come back and read Girlfriend

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No worries love!!! I am SO curious to know what you think

I have never thought of Echo (have heard of it before but never paid much attention) so I searched for deception. This is the only one that appeared that fitted the sort of deception I was thinking about.

I find I relate to Echo in my natal chart as well, but not necessarily deceptive. I tried sales once but did NOT believe in the product. I was asked to leave after three days. I'm not pushy (like I can't make someone buy something they are not interested in!) but I think if I believed in something then I would find it easier. I don't like sales anyway. I have found that sometimes I drift off in conversation and just say 'fill in' words (oops) but always thought I had some form of ADHD. Maybe I come across as shallow then? It's not intended.
"This is a classic indicator of an individual who will leap before they look, and who chooses to ignore their instincts of caution." - yes!! hardest lesson to learn ever! It's taken dozens of big mistakes for me to recognise this in myself asnd start to be more cautious :P Conjunct Pandora as well
I don't have affairs though. That's crossing the line for me.

I hope you are having a nice day!

posted June 27, 2011 11:30 AM            

Hmmmm
Your moon is the deepest you.
Echo is unrequited love BECAUSE N is involved with himself
I think this is the larger answer but don't tell me yet lol

Ok
I am having a sense about something else. Not to add another wrinkle BUT what is Mr Gemini's father's chart doing with the asteroid Narcissus--if you can get it.

posted June 27, 2011 11:31 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
This is gonna take time and meditation lol
There is SO much here
I think we are at the root of it ,now.
We have enough info to get at the root ,anyway.

I see Echo as the pair to Narcissus. N loved himself and Echo loved N.

I see it as a yearning love that goes unrequited cuz the N person CANNOT GIVE BACK ****gulp****

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lol I'm really sorry. I just looked up EVERYTHING because I wasn't sure whether you were interested in transits only, or positions in natal, or position in synastry.

posted June 27, 2011 11:35 AM            

That makes sense cuz there is an Echo THEME.
That is what I see with Asteroids in Synastry--certain asteroids are the THEME of the relationship.

Fascinating.
I will think about it and come back.

I think we are getting closer and closer to what happened Darling.
Perhaps you will learn what it was! Perhaps,you could get back with him too if you care to

posted June 27, 2011 12:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Ok one thing at a time and not necessarily in order
Transit Echo conj your Moon

Hmmmm
Your moon is the deepest you.
Echo is unrequited love BECAUSE N is involved with himself
I think this is the larger answer but don't tell me yet lol

Ok
I am having a sense about something else. Not to add another wrinkle BUT what is Mr Gemini's father's chart doing with the asteroid Narcissus--if you can get it.

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What are you picking up on the father? I am curious because I won't be able to get his father's chart for a very long time, if ever. I am trying to remember what sun sign his father was... I think his father may have been a Gemini too. His mum is a Leo and such a sweety. I never met his father. I don't even know how old he was. He would have been in his 60's now if not coming up to 70. I know a bit about his father though.

I should be in bed but I will look up Narcissus quickly, I was doing that then got distracted (and I can't even remember what distracted me lol).

posted June 27, 2011 12:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I just SAW his echo conj your moon in synastry!!!
Wow---each of you is the Echo.

That makes sense cuz there is an Echo THEME.
That is what I see with Asteroids in Synastry--certain asteroids are the THEME of the relationship.

Fascinating.
I will think about it and come back.

I think we are getting closer and closer to what happened Darling.
Perhaps you will learn what it was! Perhaps,you could get back with him too if you care to

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I know what it was I think, but I don't know why. I also dont know whether it was a temporary or final thing. Your thoughts speak so much to me, I feel like you can clarify what is right in front of me!! You have always done that , that's why I appreciate your words so much.

posted June 27, 2011 12:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Am thinking his fathers N touches HIS Venus or personal planet somehow

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posted June 27, 2011 12:40 PM            

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Originally posted by MsCandeh:
Hmm. I know roughly what age his father may have been now so I can try to see if it even comes close. What does a Venus/personal planet and N suggest?
I am asking beause I want to know what you want to know as I think that there is probably something to your train of thought......

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Well I was thinking that his father put HIS Narcissus ON Mr Gemini. Mr Gemini was striving to live up to the Fathers plans/goals etc and Mr Gemini feels like he is failing cuz one can NEVER live up to a parents Narcissus if it is put on the child.

Hence,mr Gemini flipped out on you at some point when YOU got close to him.

He could not allow you close cuz he did not feel good enough about his own self image--is the point in a nutshell lol

I need to explore the N/Echo theme of your relationship in all it's parts.
I think this is the answer. You each play the N and the Echo roles as seems to be the case when there are asteroid themes in synastry.
The one I am most familiar with is Nessus/Deja.
You do not have this .You seem to have the Echo/Narcissus as one major theme.

posted June 27, 2011 01:11 PM            

Only included - conjunctions, squares, oppositions, sesquiquadrates, trines

My Chart - 21.08 Leo 6th house/ 7th cusp

N conjunct DC (1.37)
N conjunct PANDORA (2.01)
N square MARS (0.45)
N trine CERES (1.04)
N square SUN (0.58)

His Chart - 7.31 Capricorn 8th house

N conjunct EROS (0.53)
N opposite SAPPHO (1.50)
N opposite NESSUS (2.01)
N trine PSYCHE (0.21)

Synastry Chart:

My N conjunct his OSIRIS (0.39)
My N conjunct his ISIS (0.42)
My N conjunct his WISDOM (0.38)
My N conjunct his HERA (2.04) (too wide?)
My N opposite his BRIDE (1.49)
My N square his VALENTINE (0.33)
My N sesquiquadrate his DEJA (0.49)

His N conjunct my BRIDE (1.02)
His N trine my CHAOS (0.35)
His N opposite my APHRODITE (0.21)
His N opposite my VESTA (1.12)
His N sesquiquadrate my DC (0.12)
His N sesquiquadrate my PANDORA (0.38)
His N sesquiquadrate my N (1.23)
His N sesquiquadrate my SUN (0.25)
His N square my LIE (0.52)

Phew so our echo and narcissus don't make aspects to each other.. but I am still worried about these aspects. Did we see each other as being narcissitic? I don't see him that way. I mean everyone is to a point aren't they?

Transits

Transiting NARCISSUS at time of break up - 27.15 Gemini
Trains Narcissus square Transit North Node (not to forget the solar eclipse at this time!)

T-N square MrGem LUCIFER (0.41)
T-N sesquiquadrate MrGem CHILD (0.22)

T-N conjunct My SAPPHO (0.39)
T-N square my POF (0.40)
T-N sequiquadrate my SATURN (0.08)

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No idea what these mean! Okay srsly off to bed now, need to be up for work in a few hours!!!

Thanks again

posted June 27, 2011 01:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Well I was thinking that his father put HIS Narcissus ON Mr Gemini. Mr Gemini was striving to live up to the Fathers plans/goals etc and Mr Gemini feels like he is failing cuz one can NEVER live up to a parents Narcissus if it is put on the child.

Hence,mr Gemini flipped out on you at some point when YOU got close to him.

He could not allow you close cuz he did not feel good enough about his own self image--is the point in a nutshell lol

I need to explore the N/Echo theme of your relationship in all it's parts.
I think this is the answer. You each play the N and the Echo roles as seems to be the case when there are asteroid themes in synastry.
The one I am most familiar with is Nessus/Deja.
You do not have this .You seem to have the Echo/Narcissus as one major theme.

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DING DING DING! You arrrre correct!!
i am pretty good at picking up on people's father issues. He told me more than once about how his sister was the favoured one, he was never good enough.
He told me when we got together that he never thought he 'would ever have a girlfriend like' me. I don't understand because I don't see myself as someone who is more special than everyone else (more coooky yes, but not more special or deserving of love!). I also think he meant that regarding lookswise as well, without trying to sound conceited because I really think that's what he thought. I feel like he thought (at least at the start) that I was too good for him, the whole pedastal thing, and that he couldn't believe his luck/fate. SUCH A CUPID THING isnt it And of course I did what I normally do and tell him that I am not that special blah blah blah (I feel uncomfortable when people think positively of me in that way as I don't see myself as anyone special) I like for people to feel comfortable around me and that we are equals.

What you explained with the father-Narcissus sounds exactly like what happened, even up to his dying words when he finally said that he was proud of him and introduced him to a work collegue as his son (this was the first time in his life and he was only 21 when his father passed away). Apparently his father would never introduce him as his son, and his father told him he would never amount to more than a person who would pump petrol for a living (he is SOOOO smart I am sad to think of someone so unsupportive of their child).

posted June 27, 2011 01:30 PM            

Why do I even feel this so strongly?!

posted June 27, 2011 01:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Ok I am gonna come back little by little and meditate on this and ask questions !

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Enjoy and I will answer your questions tomorrow!!

posted June 27, 2011 01:32 PM            

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Originally posted by MsCandeh:
I am so angry/upset at thinking of how his father treated him. He didn't deserve it.

Why do I even feel this so strongly?!

I guess it really upsets me when parents treat their kids badly/undeservingly!

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Was he the great love of your life? If so,you are VERY protective of him