posted February 13, 2011 08:56 AM            

I hope you don't get kicked off because of the comment I made to you. That would be most unfortunate.

posted February 13, 2011 10:57 AM            

Then,it comes out in a distorted way such as evil behaviors.

We,all, have a Nessus i.e the capacity for evil.
If we deny it, we are in trouble. Then, we have Nessus problems lol

I feel like I am in word soup but I feel in my gut that I am on to something very important which will help myself as well as others.

posted February 13, 2011 07:25 PM            

Nobody needs evil intheir live, you have to work towards changing your view of yourself, your life, and your philosophies, untilthere is no more evil in your life.

posted February 13, 2011 08:44 PM            

There are definitely negative energies within us, as well as positive...in anything...it's 'yin yang'... dark and light in everything...it just depends on how you utilize these 'negative' energies...they can help you to look deep inside your soul, and recognize it for what it is...when you use these negatives energies, to learn, grow, transform...they just became positive...

Thank u Ami...

Kat

posted February 13, 2011 09:43 PM            

I welcome everyone's Nessus stories.We can go through them ,together .
Please share

posted February 13, 2011 10:40 PM            

I didn't give any opinion. I asked you about Nessus, and then you simply, curiously, told me that you don't want to engage with me. Don't like me, don't want to talk, and well, I found that rather rude.

posted February 14, 2011 09:30 AM            

The author Evan Hunter deals with Nessus in his books.
Nessus is evil in every day life, to me.
People of the Lie would be about Nessus ,too.

posted February 14, 2011 09:33 AM            

Very wise people seem to understand this. You can see ,in their eyes, that they "get" what life is about but they chose to be loving,anyway.

They have a childlike wonder and innocence,too.

*I* think it is from embracing their Nessus ,fully.
Robert Frost was like this from what I have been told.
My father is a Robert Frost freak lol

He said when Robert Frost went to talk to a class of Kindergarten children.
He sat on the floor and said "My dog talks to me .Does yours ?"

posted February 14, 2011 12:39 PM            

Waiting to hear from your research

posted February 14, 2011 12:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Some criminals have a strongly placed Nessus such as Nessus conjunct the Moon/Sun etc.
The rest of the chart could indicate how the person will use Nessus,for good or bad.
However, free will would trump all,I think

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I feel Nessus and Dejanira a bit differently. My Nessus is conjunct my NNode in the basement - it manifested as a bad-touch uncle - in my case the karmic burden was to be the victim, not the victimizer (although sun & moon conjunct SNode in 9, so odds are I was an abuser in a past life and get to work off the karma this time around. Whee!...)

Nessus seems to often be presented as the abuser, but I often see astrological influences from the perspectives of the stories and myths that name the powers. (For example, Venus may be goddess of physical beauty, but she was also the trifler who started the Trojan war in a fit of jealousy over Helen's mortal beauty - Venus represents not just beauty, but also self-serving vanity to me.) The story of Nessus and Dejanira varies depending on the source - in some versions Dejanira is painted as the victim and Nessus as the aggressor, but in some versions she was whispering in his ear promises of delightful folly as he ferried her across Evenus, using her knowledge of centaurian hedonism to elicit a lusty advance. Her reason? She was upset with Hercules' infidelities and wanted to stir his jealousies to bring him closer to her once again.

In this version of the story, the ruse worked, at the cost of yet-another centaur's life. But Nessus saw what was happening as he lay dying, and turned her manipulation against her, convincing her to mix his blood and semen into a salve that would have the effect on her husband that she was seeking. Dejanira's gullibility cost her that which she held most dear. This version highlights the manipulative aspects of both energies, puts the victim on trial for passive/aggressive behavior, and exposes the potential for a deep, though subtle layer of self-defeating manipulation.

But you asked for a personal story...

NOTE: I like using tight orbs to keep things highly relevant.

This was a relationship of angles, to be sure. The NNode/Nessus in my basement hit her MC, Nessus, Moon, Mercury, Venus. To complicate matters, these are opposite the conjunction of the lights upstairs. Dejanira calls to Nessus from a mutual 5/11 synastry with what promises to be a highly compatible relationship. (Her third house trines to my Asc & company had primarily to do with the fact she is married and their relationship was nominally "open" - although I was the first time that had been freely exercised.) The 8th house hits tell the story of a deep intimate connection, and yes it felt very past-lifeish.

But Nessus' toxin started to manifest when she'd go home in the pre-dawn hours. I felt drained, emptied out, spent - and ultimately used. My mind wandered over what I wanted - the obvious next step. But she wasn't free to move there. We discussed poly, but I don't have a lot of faith in those. We discussed her leaving him, but I couldn't stand the idea of that, either. We discussed keeping things as they were, but something was missing. No matter what we did, where we turned, there was hurt and pain as a result of where we had allowed our hearts to go.

In the end, I recognized it for what it was, a romance that was consuming us from the heart out, and threatened to devastate everything either of us held dear in the process. When I called things to a halt, she instinctively knew precisely what to say and how to say it to cause the most pain and damage - retaliation for the pain I was causing her. She would have made a combust Scorp Mercury proud.

Falling back to my Sun/Moon conjunct SNode, I still want to try to work things out with her - to explore some way... any way... that we might make it work out. Yeah, I know that comes off pretty needy, but the heart wants what the heart wants.

posted February 14, 2011 12:55 PM            

My thought about nessus are that is not so important and so dangerous as it looks like. I've also checked out the chart from the world there we have our dangerous people and I cant see the pattern like some talk about it here on L.L....That's the reality 2011. I just must check out all this because I've my nessus hard aspected and I cant imagine my self like this. I'm so far away from all that so...

I live with nessus and I'm not dangerous and will never be. I will not hurt my self or anyone else. It feels like I work on a better and better life to all the people I love and to my self and through my self. I've done it so much so I see this like an big part of my life.

I feel. I really feel. It sometimes feels like I also feel other peoples feelings. In time I'm not sure if the feelings are from someone else or from my self. I can feel other peoples pain like my own. I'm medial. My way in the life guieds by what I feel. My life feels very karmic. Sometimes everything and every events feels like it's meant to be. My driving force looks like passion which triggs through my t-square. My t-square bring me the driving force I need to work out my chart. Without my t-square I think the flow will be nothing. No my moon/nessus works hard and also be visible to everyone and ....

My moon also in almost exactly parallel to my natal pluto.
My moon/nessus also in trine to my N psyche.

My DRACONIC moon/nessus conj saturn= the karmic feeling of moon/nessus way in the life.

MyDRACONIC merk 6/uran7/kaali8 conj my Natal moon/nessus= My feelings also here got an meaning of working out on a more deeply level.

My sons S.N are also in conj to my N moon and nessus.
My sons nessus conj my N Sun/AC
My daughters nessus conj karma conj my merk/uran/kaali/pluto.

In my life everyone I love contact nessus in someway in tight orb.
My first husbands BML or asteroid lilith
My second husbands BML or asteroid lilith. I just now cant remember who of thems .
My on and off relationships nessus conj my moon/nessus. His dejanira trine our moon/nessus/nessus.
The man I met now later. His Draconic moon conj my moon/nessus. This is strange....but true.

posted February 14, 2011 12:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Lucia23:
In my most recent relationship, we had SERIOUS Nessus stuff happening. It was not abusive, but the relationship did bring up traumatic memories for me about my troubled relationship with my mother, and showed how urgent it was that I change my patterns with her and with an ex I'm overinvolved with in the present.

It showed me where I was too wounded to really inhabit and enjoy and open my heart to a real relationship that had healthier patterns than I was used to. It makes me so sad that it didn't last.

I don't know whether it brought up any issues for him. I think it might have brought some big life decisions to a head for him, and issues around pressure from his father.

We have, at less than a 2 degree orb, many at 0 degrees:
-his Nessus conjunct my Venus
-his Nessus square my MC
-his Dejanira conjunct my Chiron
-his Dejanira opposite my Uranus
-his Pluto square my Venus
-his Pluto trine my Nessus
-his Pluto conjuct my MC
-my Nessus opposite his Neptune
-my Nessus conjunct his NN
-my Dejanira conjunct his Sun

The breakup was the worst I've ever taken a breakup.

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posted February 14, 2011 01:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Anemone:
Ami Anne
Do you think that there are some Nessus natal aspects that are more difficult to embrace, ie the energy doesnt blend that well in your chart - squares for ex. etc
Also, in a synastry, do the individuals' natal charts indicate if they will be more comfortable or not to the Nessus synastry aspects?
Lets say for example, in natal chart A there are quite a few nessus aspects whereas in person B there are few/not that important...does this change the dynamic as well??

Waiting to hear from your research

PS Any further comments in the aspects I posted...? I would think Sun and Nessus is important but I dunno with the trines...maybe its more...mellow??

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You have some GREAT points, Friend. I will some things and think about the rest.
If a person has a prominent Nessus in his natal chart, he will be forced to deal with his own Nessus issues i.e dark side.
He could do this in a beneficial way such as develop great compassion such as Popcorn.
He could do it in a deleterious way such as be a criminal.

posted February 14, 2011 01:05 PM            

I have Neptune trines. I like Neptune energy very much but sometimes I feel that I cannot touch the ground cuz Neptune allows you to go in to the next dimension.

So, even though the trine is "easy",it still can be hard to manage the energy.
It is a learning process to incorporate the various energies in to your personality.

Some are harder than others and some are harder for one person than another.

posted February 14, 2011 01:06 PM            

I think God gave us an Owner's Manual when we entered the Earth.
It is our chart