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Topic: Dynamics of Aspects in Synastry - how and when they are felt
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geminigal2805 Knowflake Posts: 924 From: Registered: Sep 2013
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posted July 26, 2014 07:08 AM
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posted July 26, 2014 07:33 AM
I'm back! Less than 1 degree: Asc conj his IC(tightest aspect 0.02) Nn conj his IC My sun trines his nn Moon squares his Uranus Moon -Pluto DW Saturn- Pluto dw Chiron squares his saturn(ewww) Mc Q moon Jupiter Q MC Neptune Q pluto and there are minor aspects(semi sextiles?)Less than 2degrees: Mercury trines his Pluto Mars sextile mars Saturn conjuncts his desc Uranus trines his mars Neptune opposes his moon Pluto opposes his sun Nn sextile Venus Nn trine uranus Ac sextiles Venus Asc trines Uranus Asc squares pluto Less than 3 degrees: Moon venus DW Saturn-Neptune DW
His mars squares my Venus! But it is just less than 4degrees. But this aspect was the initial spark. Our 'lust' factor lol. Also his Neptune trining my moon is taken away. It is also less than 4 degree! Thats so MEAN!! I can feel that aspect so well-even in our day to day life. Instead im stuck with neptune-saturn dw and a pluto-saturn dw! Lol! IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Moderator Posts: 4946 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted July 26, 2014 07:37 AM
Thanks, GG why do you say Moon/Neptune fades away?I have two more questions: do you feel the Venus/Mars square as strongly as in the beginning (how long have you been together, BTW?) What are your wide aspects (up to 10 deg. for hard aspects and trine, 6 for sextile)? Do you feel those? Thanks  ------------------
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geminigal2805 Knowflake Posts: 924 From: Registered: Sep 2013
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posted July 26, 2014 08:34 AM
No Leeleo,not FADED away! I meant in this way. As his neptune to my moon is a wider aspect will you not consider it as important? But i feel it in my heart. This aspect is a huge plus in our relationship. And mars square Venus is our weekend aspect,when my son stays at his grannys place. Otherwise it is Moon- pluto for weekday intimacy lol. Not sure if that made any sense at allI will get back with those wider aspects in a minute. We been together since the day we met. March 2008. Got married in 2009. Not that many years I know. IP: Logged |
geminigal2805 Knowflake Posts: 924 From: Registered: Sep 2013
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posted July 26, 2014 01:43 PM
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geminigal2805 Knowflake Posts: 924 From: Registered: Sep 2013
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posted July 26, 2014 02:18 PM
Sorry,took me a while to get back to you LL : (His Sun trines my Moon (8) His Sun trines my Neptune(3) His Sun conjuncts my Venus (4) His Sun opposes my Jupiter(9) His Sun opposes my Saturn(6) Im sure he feels adored by me. He is like a baby. But i feel so safe around him. Even my nightmares went away!! Im sure he feels my Saturn opposing his Sun. He used to be a bit on the selfish side. He never used to stay home even on weekdays. It all changed after we met. He is an Aries sun,asc and mercury. All in thw first house. I believe my Saturn brought a major change in his life style. He has toned down a lot. This is definitely Saturn-Sun opposition. Now this doesnt mean I am the responsible type. I think both of us changed a lot,definitely for the better. From black sheeps of the family to a respectable couple : )) bad i know but i didnt wanna lie to you. Not bad per se. Just reckless. His moon squares MY mars! (7) His moon trines my Jupiter(7) His moon trines my saturn (8) Im sure his moon is wary of my mars. I could be a jerk.Now and then. Even though my mars is in libra i am more of a go getter.Aww! I should be more careful. But is this a sexy aspect? I believe it is. Did i tell you i asked him out when we met? OMG! Maybe this aspe t played a role. I dont know aspects like you Lee : ( His Mars sextiles my Sun(5) His mars squares my Pluto(6) His saturn conjuncts my moon(9) I have not felt anything oppressive. So i really dont know. But yeah i know where to draw the line. I know my limits- as in no crazy behaviour. He is very good to me LL. I feel so loved by him : )) His Chiron conjuncts my Venus(7) His Chiron trines my Neptune And some Jupiter aspects. U have looked at our chart LL. U said we have three mystic rectangles. And that we complete each other : ) In our composite chart,sun tightly conjuncts chiron and mercury in the 12th house. I have no clue about chiron. Im glad i looked at this table chart. This makes some sense! Esp those saturn aspects. Thank you so much LL. Not sure if this will help you in any way. Glad i got this oppurtunity : ) IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Moderator Posts: 4946 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted July 27, 2014 07:31 AM
Thank you so much, GG! First I must tell you again you have a wonderful synastry with your husband! Those wide aspects look great, I believe a synastry having significant aspects in all orb ranges is a very good one, because I think those wide aspects come into play later into the relationship, and/or are triggered by transits and progressions in certain phases of the relationship. It is like a second or third "wave" of the relationship. A synastry with a few aspects and all tight and no wide ones is usually the look of a short-term relationship.
Question for everyone: what are your wide aspects (5 to 10 orb) and how (or if) do you feel them? Thank you!
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14466 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted July 27, 2014 08:06 AM
I actually started to take his Venus squaring my Uranus into account. orb: 5.26 (though out of sign)Been thinking about this on the trainride, while I still think aspects under 2 degrees are those of "shared experience" and relevant in terms of progressions/transits (as activation of events), I also read that usually you half the orb for synastry, because 2 people are involved. While I understand that people do not want to drown in a flood of aspects, it is only a practical reason, not an astroLOGICAL one. I am definitely using 6 degrees for natal (because of the Moon that I use as reference) , occasionally widening it, but seriously not a friend of the 8-10 degree range, it just feels too flittery to me, don`t know how to explain). Personally I could probably accept 4th harmonic aspects up to a 7 degree orb, maybe even 8 degrees in a conjunction, but 9 or 10 degrees? Well I already feel 8 degrees is pushing it,s o you can imagine how I feel about 10 degree orbs. And definitely not for the sextile. lol But anyway so our wide aspects; and you tell me how I should feel them, and I tell you if I do:
his planets first
Sun conjunct Venus 9.10 out of sign (both r6) Moon conjunct Venus 7.29 out of sign (both r5, I mean 5th house rulers) Venus square Uranus 5.26 out of sign Venus opposite Saturn 8.26 (both r2) Venus conjunct Antivertex 4.27 Mars trine Venus 4.58 Mars square Mars 5.56 Mars sextile Saturn 5.51 Jupiter trine Venus 4.02 (both r10) Jupiter square Mars 4.59 (r10 and r4) Saturn square Venus 9.25 out of sign (r11 and r5) Saturn conjunct MC 8.16 out of sign Uranus squrae Moon 6.16 Uranus trine Saturn 6.27 Neptuen squrae Jupiter 9.15 (both r1) Neptune conjunct Mercury 4.35 (r1 and r7) Pluto sextile Sun 4.33 Pluto trine Moon 4.17 (both r8) Pluto square Saturn 4.26 (r8 and r2) Pluto conjunct Uranus 9.58 out of sign NN trine Venus 4.45 ASC trine Saturn 8.05 MC conj. Venus 8.03 out of sign
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LeeLoo2014 Moderator Posts: 4946 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted July 27, 2014 08:24 AM
Thanks, Ceri, I'll take a closer look at your aspects.And thanks for reminding me to underline this: NOT the sextile. For a sextile, the max orb: 6 Quincunx and minors aspects remain max 2. (unless there is some extraordinary config or some mdp which allow for a 3 for quincunx) 10 for hard aspects and trine they MAY be felt, and this depends a lot on the planet and the other aspect as well, and on mdp! This is also very important. For example, I have a distance of 10 between Sun and Mars in my natal. I've noticed many people aspect Sun/Mars MDP for me, around 25 Virgo, which gives wider aspects between their planet and my Sun and Mars, but those wider aspects are more important for me and for triggering my chart.
For example: I seem to form/prefer relationships with people with a planet at 26 Cap (trine my Sun 6 deg AND my Mars 4 deg) rather than someone with planet at 21 Cap, trine my Sun in close orb, but too wide to trine my Mars at the same time. I think mdp are very important when it comes to the dynamics of wider orbs. ------------------
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14466 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted July 27, 2014 08:42 AM
Nope, no 10 degree aspects for me.  In your case it makes perfect sense for people`s planets falling there as they aspect both, your Sun and Mars. BTW my Sun squares your Sun/Mars-mp then. lolAs for anyhting else I agree with you. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14466 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted July 27, 2014 08:57 AM
as for the wide aspects I found... "Sun conjunct Venus 9.10 out of sign (both r6)" I wouldnīt really count that.
"Moon conjunct Venus 7.29 out of sign " (both r5, I mean 5th house rulers)" I hadnīt payed attention to it, but I am more inclined to at least give it some consideration, despite the out of sign aspect. We do have a wide conjunction in composite of Moon and Venus after all (6°51) "Venus square Uranus 5.26 out of sign" This one got me thinking today. Maybe there is something to it. it is still within the 6 degree frame.
"Venus opposite Saturn 8.26 (both r2) Venus conjunct Antivertex 4.27" I hadnīt considered the Venus-Saturn-aspect as valid, but if we consider the orb of his Venus to my Antivertex as valid, well, my Saturn conjuncts my own Vertex with an orb of 4 degrees, so my Vertex is natally configured with my Saturn, and if Vertex aspects his Venus, my Saturn does so, too, possibly, albeit very weakly. "Mars trine Venus 4.58" Usually i like my trines tighter than this, but so my Venus makes a widish Grand trine with his Mars-Jupiter conjunction and Chiron.
"Mars square Mars 5.56" I would actually consider this one, because I have the line up of Mars, ASC, Neptune, NN in a range of 5-10 degrees and his Mars-Jupiter falls onto 10 and 11 degrees. It is interesting that it is not closer to the mid-range, especially as if that were so, it would also trine my Venus more exactly.
So the question is: why the Mars at 11 degrees of Virgo instead of being closer to 7 or 6 degrees? Why does it need to be there, what aspect does it make this way, that it would not make otherwise? "Mars sextile Saturn 5.51" Never even considered that before. hmm. On the other hand this aspect is only possible BECAUSE his Mars is at 11 Virgo, and not at 7 degree, as my Saturn is on 17 Cancer. "Saturn square Venus 9.25 out of sign (r11 and r5)" Nope, donīt think that is a valid aspect, really too wide.
"Uranus squrae Moon 6.16 Uranus trine Saturn 6.27" You maybe could convince me if you have good arguments to consider these. lol "Neptune conjunct Mercury 4.35 (r1 and r7)" This one is very clearly existent. lol Also considering that his Mercury exactly conjuncts my Neptune.
"Pluto trine Moon 4.17 (both r8) Pluto square Saturn 4.26 (r8 and r2)" While again I like my aspects closer than this, I wouldnīt dream of NOT including this one.
It has also to do with the fact that his Pluto is closely opposite my Chiron, which sextiles my Moon and squares my Saturn, canīt get one without the other. "ASC trine Saturn 8.05" Not really. Especially not trines to angles.
"MC conj. Venus 8.03 out of sign" this one we can surely talk about. lol IP: Logged |
geminigal2805 Knowflake Posts: 924 From: Registered: Sep 2013
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posted July 27, 2014 09:06 AM
quote: Originally posted by LeeLoo2014: Thank you so much, GG! First I must tell you again you have a wonderful synastry with your husband! Those wide aspects look great, I believe a synastry having significant aspects in all orb ranges is a very good one, because I think those wide aspects come into play later into the relationship, and/or are triggered by transits and progressions in certain phases of the relationship. It is like a second or third "wave" of the relationship. A synastry with a few aspects and all tight and no wide ones is usually the look of a short-term relationship.
Question for everyone: what are your wide aspects (5 to 10 orb) and how (or if) do you feel them? Thank you!
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LeeLoo2014 Moderator Posts: 4946 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted July 27, 2014 09:22 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: Nope, no 10 degree aspects for me.  In your case it makes perfect sense for people`s planets falling there as they aspect both, your Sun and Mars. BTW my Sun squares your Sun/Mars-mp then. lolAs for anyhting else I agree with you.
Yes, it seems this mdp activated in relationships is important to me. It makes sense, if you we look at the archetype. However, I think all people are more sensitive in certain mdp, on a case by case basis. For me, it is definitely Sun/Mars and Sun/Venus. Sun/Venus makes sense, since it is the hot spot of the natal (opp bucket handle, Yod release etc), but Sun/Mars was a bit of a surprise. For example, for Pluto Man, it seems to be his Mars/Saturn mdp, 20 degrees apart - it integrates his Mars with his Saturn and a planet there will be felt like a 3 planet conjunction, I suspect, although 10 deg apart from Mars and Saturn (his Mars Saturn now conjunct at 0 Cancer in progressions, so there is a need for this integration), perhaps important because of his interception/Saturn on angles. ------------------
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LeeLoo2014 Moderator Posts: 4946 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted July 27, 2014 10:20 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: as for the wide aspects I found...
"Sun conjunct Venus 9.10 out of sign (both r6)" I wouldnīt really count that. Nope, I wouldn't either
"Moon conjunct Venus 7.29 out of sign " (both r5, I mean 5th house rulers)" I hadnīt payed attention to it, but I am more inclined to at least give it some consideration, despite the out of sign aspect. We do have a wide conjunction in composite of Moon and Venus after all (6°51) That's interesting. Wide for an out of sign, but the composite aspect gives it some validity. Something on the mdp will be felt in a sweet way, no doubt.
"Venus square Uranus 5.26 out of sign" This one got me thinking today. Maybe there is something to it. it is still within the 6 degree frame.
a slow planet, especially Uranus, will most likely trigger this one and make it valid. and/or a progressed aspect between these two, as mirror. "Venus opposite Saturn 8.26 (both r2) Venus conjunct Antivertex 4.27" I hadnīt considered the Venus-Saturn-aspect as valid, but if we consider the orb of his Venus to my Antivertex as valid, well, my Saturn conjuncts my own Vertex with an orb of 4 degrees, so my Vertex is natally configured with my Saturn, and if Vertex aspects his Venus, my Saturn does so, too, possibly, albeit very weakly. this is definitely valid, IMO. Oppositions are so strongly felt in general, even with wider orb. an important love aspect, even if the Vx weren't there. But it is, so definitely valid. events and meetings triggering this aspect. any significant Venus/Saturn in progressions will most likely trigger this aspect - there will always be a Venus/Saturn opp flavor to your progressed Venus/Saturn aspects
"Mars trine Venus 4.58" Usually i like my trines tighter than this, but so my Venus makes a widish Grand trine with his Mars-Jupiter conjunction and Chiron.
perfectly valid trine here. Mars and Venus don't mind wider orbs and you have a DW. the fact that it makes a complex figure strengthens the validity of the trine also. "Mars square Mars 5.56" I would actually consider this one, because I have the line up of Mars, ASC, Neptune, NN in a range of 5-10 degrees and his Mars-Jupiter falls onto 10 and 11 degrees. It is interesting that it is not closer to the mid-range, especially as if that were so, it would also trine my Venus more exactly. this one too. is this one loose?? interesting. so there should be a "better" Mars for the "ideal" aspect. I'm sure Aqua Man must have it So the question is: why the Mars at 11 degrees of Virgo instead of being closer to 7 or 6 degrees? Why does it need to be there, what aspect does it make this way, that it would not make otherwise? didn't you have some interesting 11 degrees in your chart? where's your chart?
"Mars sextile Saturn 5.51" Never even considered that before. hmm. On the other hand this aspect is only possible BECAUSE his Mars is at 11 Virgo, and not at 7 degree, as my Saturn is on 17 Cancer. aha there you have it! to give you an additional aspect. and a very important one if you marry him "Saturn square Venus 9.25 out of sign (r11 and r5)" Nope, donīt think that is a valid aspect, really too wide. too wide this one, yes,. however it is interesting that you practically have a DW. but no, I don't think so.. I think it even shows your Venus/Saturn energy is sporadic even with the other one, perhaps just some events (being on Vx), but not an energy flow between you "Uranus squrae Moon 6.16 Uranus trine Saturn 6.27" You maybe could convince me if you have good arguments to consider these. lol tell me where is your chart, I don't have it, I'd like to take a look at this interesting aspects, especially since you are an Aqua Moon "Neptune conjunct Mercury 4.35 (r1 and r7)" This one is very clearly existent. lol Also considering that his Mercury exactly conjuncts my Neptune. "Pluto trine Moon 4.17 (both r8) Pluto square Saturn 4.26 (r8 and r2)" While again I like my aspects closer than this, I wouldnīt dream of NOT including this one. duh! lol "ASC trine Saturn 8.05" Not really. Especially not trines to angles.
I would consider this one if it were part of a DW or a GT, but if it's just isolated, it will only be felt if let's say an outer lands on ASC tightening the orb with Saturn, thus bringing Saturn to ASC: it will be temporary and through an intermediary, I think "MC conj. Venus 8.03 out of sign" this one we can surely talk about. lol we'll negotiate hahahaha Is Venus in 10th? How do you feel them...or do you? ------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms... IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Moderator Posts: 4946 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted July 27, 2014 10:22 AM
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posted July 28, 2014 06:59 AM
Never mind, Ceri, I remember your chart is in the Ideal partner thread, I'll look at it there.------------------
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14466 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted July 28, 2014 07:52 AM
"That's interesting. Wide for an out of sign, but the composite aspect gives it some validity. Something on the mdp will be felt in a sweet way, no doubt." On which midpoint? His Moon and my Venus, that would be a mixed midpoint then. Something about the composite puzzles me actually, as even though I have this preference for tighter orbs, this configuration just keeps me wondering:
Moon 22 Cap Venus 16 Cap Mars 23 Libra Pluto 15 Libra NN 20 Libra Now the angular distances would be: Moon conjunct Venus 6°51 Moon square Mars 0°16 Moon square Pluto 7°38 Moon square NN 2^°06 Venus square Mars 707 Venus square Pluto 0°47 Venus square NN 4°45 Mars conjunct Pluto 7°54 M;ars conjunct NN 2°22 Pluto conjunct NN 5°32 Now, the Venus-Pluto and Moon-Mars aspects are very certainly in orb, and probably should be given precedence. However I am wondering about Moon-Pluto, Venus-Mars, Mars-Pluto and Pluto-NN especially. Would you count them as aspects, despite having quite wide orbs for a composite?
Also, it struck me how the nodal axis is figured into this (it seems pretty clear that Moon-Venus is a skipped step for us). As for the midpoints:
Moon/Venus 19.27 Cap Mars/Pluto 19.11 Libra and both being near to the NN on 20.46 Libra. The other midpoints are not that strongly triggered in the composite itself. Moon/Mars 08.00 Sag (conj. Lilith) Moon/Pluto 04.03 Sag Moon/NN 6.49 Sag Venus/Mars 4.34 Sag Venus/Pluto 00.37 Sag Venus/NN 3.23 SAg interestingly our pr composite has Venus on 2 Pisces and pr Moon is on 4.05 Gemini, so very precisely on that Moon/Pluto and near to Venus/Mars as well. Anyway how would you weigh these wide orbed aspects?
"a slow planet, especially Uranus, will most likely trigger this one and make it valid. " You mean Tr Uranus being in 4th harmonic aspect to his Venus and/or my Uranus? Well we have to wait for this to happen as Tr uranus is still 10 degrees away from squaring his n Venus and 15 from opposing my n Uranus. "and/or a progressed aspect between these two, as mirror." Yes, that is actually what I have noticed, on the first meeting chart as well as now in this timeframe. first meeting: his pr Venus trine my n Uranus 0.26 a (and his pr Venus parallel my pr Uranus (0.50 a)) Of course a trine is comparably tame. And now as we speak it is:
his pr Uranus square my pr Venus 0.49 s so it is separating, but we had that for some time going on, as of course at first my pr Venus was squaring his natal Uranus about a degree before catching up with his pr Uranus. Talk about role reversal. lol "But it is, so definitely valid." In a way that is even restoring a bit of balance. As his Saturn squares my Sun-Mercury-conjunction I find it just fair that my Saturn should strongly aspect his Venus. lol Actually it means we both have an aspect of Saturn to each other`s 7th house ruler (though for him Libra is intercepted in 7th house). Saturn to 7th house also makes sense to me because I have a Cappy-Venus, and even more to him I suppose with his Cappy-Venus trine Satur,w hich sits right on his DESC. lol " events and meetings triggering this aspect. any significant Venus/Saturn in progressions will most likely trigger this aspect - there will always be a Venus/Saturn opp flavor to your progressed Venus/Saturn aspects" Let me check, if we ever had Venus/Saturn-progressions. Hmm not in the last 8 years, but right now as we speak
there is a progressee Yod forming, involving my pr Venus and pr Moon and his pr (and natal) Saturn, his natal Juno, and it links to the Yod between my pr Moon, pr Venus and natal Sun. oookay. Let me split the parts apart: 1st Yod: -------- my n Sun 25.56 Sag my n Mercury 25.03 Sag his n Sun 26.57 Sag my pr Venus 25.46 Aquarius my pr Moon 25.26 Cancer (his n Juno 27.39 Cancer) So Moon is the apex with 26 Cap as release point (where his n Venus on 25.55 Cap is)- we already discussed that. 2nd Yod -------- my pr Moon 25.26 Cancer his n Juno 27.39 Cancer his n Saturn 26.42 Virgo his pr Saturn 26.47 Virgo my pr Venus 25.46 Aquarius Apex would be my pr Venus (which incidentally also falls onto our n Psyche-psyche-conjunction on 24-25 Aquarius). Release then would be on about 25 Leo. Even though there does not seem too much going on with that, it is applying to our exact BML-BML-opposition from 28 Aqua (mine)- 28 Leo (his). Plus this is the exact degree of our composite Vertex as well as our exact Isis-Osiris-conjunction in Davison. and all because of a seemingly uneventful quinkunx between Venus and SAturn in the progressions. 
"didn't you have some interesting 11 degrees in your chart? where's your chart?" Yes, Jupiter, 11 PIsces. "we'll negotiate hahahaha Is Venus in 10th?" Yes, my Venus in his 10th.
How would I feel them?
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14466 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted July 28, 2014 07:53 AM
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Tulipe Knowflake Posts: 1468 From: France Registered: Feb 2014
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posted July 28, 2014 08:12 AM
Oh, can I play too? I'm currently shot down by the Moon-Pluto DW with 8th harmonic aspects so this will help me get distracted.------------------ what goes up must come down, so when you're feeling down, the only way to be is up IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Moderator Posts: 4946 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted July 28, 2014 08:13 AM
Welcome back, Tulipe!  ------------------
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Tulipe Knowflake Posts: 1468 From: France Registered: Feb 2014
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posted July 28, 2014 08:24 AM
quote: Originally posted by LeeLoo2014: Welcome back, Tulipe! 
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LeeLoo2014 Moderator Posts: 4946 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted July 28, 2014 10:04 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen:On which midpoint? His Moon and my Venus, that would be a mixed midpoint then.
Yes, the mixed mdp and I've been thinking about those, making a thread about them (*the mdp of the synastric aspects) - especially the Yin/Yang but I guess any important aspect could do. quote: Something about the composite puzzles me actually, as even though I have this preference for tighter orbs, this configuration just keeps me wondering:Moon 22 Cap Venus 16 Cap Mars 23 Libra Pluto 15 Libra NN 20 Libra Now the angular distances would be: Moon conjunct Venus 6°51 Moon square Mars 0°16 Moon square Pluto 7°38 Moon square NN 2^°06 Venus square Mars 707 Venus square Pluto 0°47 Venus square NN 4°45 Mars conjunct Pluto 7°54 M;ars conjunct NN 2°22 Pluto conjunct NN 5°32
It's tricky. Because they are involving the big 4. I believe the big 4 are very strong so wider aspects will be triggered at some point, I have no doubt about it. But if a I look at a comp (which is usually tighter) and I see Moon square Pluto 7 degrees, I wouldn't look at this aspect as defining the relationship., per se. I would look if it's part of a cross or other major config with asteroids, if the other two tighten the square (getting Moon Pluto together). I would look at what happens in the synastry between Moon and Pluto. I would look at what happens in Davison between Moon and Pluto If nothing is signficiant on these three levels, then it will not be a defining energy for the composite, perhaps will manifest only in relation to a certain event/temporary stage, when a transit or a progression tightens it. However, these wide orb aspects (especially the ones involving personal planets) are always there in the background like a buried land mine (latent) (especially hard aspects). For example, there was that murder synastry Deep Freeze posted - well this is a tragic example, but it is a perfect example of wider aspects triggered in synastry: they had an unaligned cardinal cross with a violent potential (one opposition in close orb, the other a bit oblique). The cardinal cross came along and aligned the cross (the oblique opposition was aligned by the separating cardinal cross) and this latent structure was activated with tragic consequences. So these wide orbs aspects are latent. The thing is aligned aspects are felt from the beginning so one can know what to expect, while the others will come out later, in certain circumstances - they are like a Pandora Box - (it doesn't mean that's bad, of course: it means the couple will discover new layers of their relationship in time). Your wide aspects in comp are basically Moon conjunct Venus, Moon square Pluto and Mars conjunct Pluto. The others...wait Venus square Mars is also 7? The others on the list are valid, IMO. Pluto conjunct NN is there, even if it's 5. Any outer there will activate both.
Now, all these planets/aspects are major. And they are connected to the NN. Can you post the composite with some love asteroids or any asteroid you think significant for their relationship to these planets. On the other hand, having such wide orbs between major planets in the composite could be a sign the composite is a bit of a missed step, as you said.
quote: Also, it struck me how the nodal axis is figured into this (it seems pretty clear that Moon-Venus is a skipped step for us).
Why? Do you consider squares to NN a missed step?
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How would I feel them?
I'll think about it 
BTW, didn't you have a Venus opp Saturn at your last meeting?
EDIT: also, his Uranus is making a closed structure, and it seems it fuels your Moon/Saturn Yod, so I will definitely consider that triangle. ------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms... IP: Logged |
Tulipe Knowflake Posts: 1468 From: France Registered: Feb 2014
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posted July 28, 2014 10:09 AM
Sorry to be so slow , here is my widish aspects:his Sun square my Moon 9.55 It's too wide for a square, and I have the square natally. If it is felt, it only generate a familarity (familiar issues). my Venus trine his Moon 8.09 This one makes me puzzled, because his Moon also biquintile my Venus and it manifest as Composite Moon sesquisquare Venus 0. Not sure I feel the synastry trine or composite sesquisquare. My Venus square his Venus 7.28 My Mars sextile his Venus 4.28 Not sure about those 2 Here is the juicy part that I'm sure: My Mars square his Moon 5.08 I can be callous with his feelings sometimes, not intentional, just unmindful. Now he has Moon square Mars in his chart 3.58 orb, so the composite Mars is on his Moon 1. This is midpoint at work, so I will count this square. My Mars oppose his Mars 8.27 I hesitate with this one, as we didn't fight, we talked about issues when we can. I met a guy whose Mars oppose my Mars orb 3 before, and feel very irritated by that one, so why not this Mars? Is it because this Mars square my Saturn orb 3? The other Mars also square my Saturn orb 2, so what makes a difference from irritation to willing to work? I have a Mars square Saturn in my chart so his Moon square Mars will make a Grand Cross to my Saturn square Mars. Here is a pattern completion if a Mars-Mars 8 opposition can be counted in this case. My Mars trine his Uranus 5.03 This one intrigue me, definitely count this. My Venus conjunct his Jupiter 6.47 same sign We have a DW with his Venus trine my Jupiter orb 2, so this conjunction lend a good touch. Although it's wide, my Venus is on a sensitive place for him = his Sun/Mars midpoint = his Mercury/Mars = his Venus/MC midpoint. His Moon oppose my Neptune 7.19 I feel this aspect very early. I have Neptune conjunct Saturn/Uranus in my chart and my Saturn/Uranus already oppose his Moon 0-1.5, so the gate from his Moon to my Neptune has already opened. My Moon square his Uranus 8.33 Not gonna count this although his Moon oppose my Uranus 1.5. I draw the line here, probably because I don't like Uranus . Oh, and a case I want to ask too: His Sun conjunct my Uranus 7.48 My Sun conjunct his Uranus 9.53 all in SAG I know they're too wide to consider, but his Sun is on my Sun/Uranus midpoint 1 (actually right on my Sun/Saturn midpoint), my Sun on his Sun/Uranus midpoint 1. The Composite has Sun/Uranus conjunct 1 (5 degrees from each of our Sun), I remember this is a bear hug aspect, I could be wrong though. So are those conjunctions qualified? The juicy part is Sun and Uranus are Angles Rulers in our charts. Those conjunctions are future oriented for my synastry. ------------------ what goes up must come down, so when you're feeling down, the only way to be is up IP: Logged |
Tulipe Knowflake Posts: 1468 From: France Registered: Feb 2014
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posted July 28, 2014 10:22 AM
quote: For example, there was that murder synastry Deep Freeze posted - well this is a tragic example, but it is a perfect example of wider aspects triggered in synastry: they had an unaligned cardinal cross with a violent potential (one opposition in close orb, the other a bit oblique). The cardinal cross came along and aligned the cross (the oblique opposition was aligned by the separating cardinal cross) and this latent structure was activated with tragic consequences. So these wide orbs aspects are latent.
This Grand Cross involve Mars and Saturn?------------------ what goes up must come down, so when you're feeling down, the only way to be is up IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14466 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted July 28, 2014 10:34 AM
Mixed midpoints seems like an interesting concept, worthy of research.  In this case of his Moon and my Venus and mp is at 2°23 Capricorn, one degree off my Vesta and on the antiscion of his Sun (0°40) and Moon (1°02) I also noticed something funny/weird/interesting: His Sun/my Moon 22 Cap conjunct composite Moon on 22 Cap
his Moon/my Sun 27 Sag conjunct composite Sun on 27 Sag Is that always the case? But if it was, wouldnīt that go for the Venus/mars pairings as well? But his Venus/my Mars 00 Cap - his Mars/my VEnus 08 Scorpio But comnposite Venus is 16 Cap comp Mars 23 Libra, so nowwhere near. I then thought maybe that is just because of the one way Sun-Moon-conjunction we share, but I have a good friend with whom I share a Sun-Moon-conjunction as well, and in our case
her Sun/my Moon 16 Aquarius my Sun/her Moon 1 Libra
c-Sun 20 Cap c-Moon 27 Aries So no relationship/correlation whatsoever, hmm,
So let me look again
his Sun/my Moon 22°02 Cap - cMoon 22°52 Cap his Moon/my Sun 27°17 Sag - c Sun 26°27 Sag interesting. Well the midpoint axis are of course equal in both synastries (with my friend as well as with him) but only in his and my it aligns with the composite planets
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