posted July 28, 2014 10:39 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

I also noticed something funny/weird/interesting:
His Sun/my Moon 22 Cap conjunct composite Moon on 22 Cap

his Moon/my Sun 27 Sag conjunct composite Sun on 27 Sag

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This is so unbelievably cool!

I don't think it's related to your Sun/Moon conjunction, but I actually haven't checked those yet, for several cases, but logically, it shouldn't be related.

posted July 28, 2014 10:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
"Your wide aspects in comp are basically Moon conjunct Venus, Moon square Pluto and Mars conjunct Pluto. The others...wait Venus square Mars is also 7?"
Yes, though I would certainly count the Moon-Venus-conjunction, even if the orb is over 6 degrees.

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posted July 28, 2014 10:41 AM            

"BTW, didn't you have a Venus opp Saturn at your last meeting?"
Yes, in fact a Venus-Saturn aspect was present in the one before, as well. lol

last time I talked to him face to face:

Tr Saturn 16 Scorpio
Tr Venus 16 Capricorn

then last month it was:

Tr Saturn 17 Scorpio
Tr Venus 18 Taurus

"also, his Uranus is making a closed structure, and it seems it fuels your Moon/Saturn Yod, so I will definitely consider that triangle."
You mean with his Venus and ASC?

posted July 28, 2014 11:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
"Why? Do you consider squares to NN a missed step?"
Not a missed step, a "skipped step".

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Interesting, I have a Sun square NN in my chart. Sun in 7th house of partnership, does it mean my 'skipped step'interest will have a 'skipped step' in his natal too?

posted July 28, 2014 11:12 AM            

What I see here, Ceri, is an aspect defining your composite: a major square between your Mars/Pluto stellium (hugging your NN, with Amor/Cupido right on NN, not to mention the whole thing sits in the 9th cusp, and Sun's in Sag) and the Venus/Moon conjunction. All aspects are valid and when I see this, I would never look at the aspects one by one. Plus the whole thing is fueled by Saturn/Vertex -another fated contact adding to the NN issues and the cusp issues - not to mention they are all connected to many aspects in the chart. And the squared is connected to a Hammer. A very cohesive composite, all planets/asteroids around 20 deg, another small batch around 15, and 15 not far from 20 lol Jupiter perhaps as a surprising factor, no wonder he is the apex of the hammer, but he is totally connected with the major configurations; a good composite!

If you are to simplify this, what you have is a Mars/Pluto/NN conjunction squaring a Moon/Venus conjunction.
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posted July 28, 2014 11:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
Interesting, I have a Sun square NN in my chart. Sun in 7th house of partnership, does it mean my 'skipped step'interest will have a 'skipped step' in his natal too?

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posted July 28, 2014 11:25 AM            

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posted July 28, 2014 11:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
not necessarily, but your composite might have.

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Oh thanks. Yes it does O.O, and he has 2 skipped steps in his natal, Pluto and Saturn.*facepalm*

posted July 28, 2014 11:34 AM            

what I meant is this

posted July 28, 2014 11:35 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
When I said I would never look at the aspects one by one...of course you have an almost exact Moon Mars square and Venus Pluto square in your comp, you can't ignore that, and if you are to be with this man there will be many moments you will feel them, but most of the time you will feel a complex passion with this man, all things there at the same time: Mars/Pluto square Moon/Venus and a fated connection with NN/Amor/Cupido, Saturn/Vertex, Moon/Venus in 12th etc.

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Lee, can't we work with the square in Composite? The tension there can be worked out when a transit activate it, like a release?

posted July 28, 2014 11:50 AM            

No, that does not mean anything more than just triggering something inside each other. That`s all.

But it surprised me, cause on our own, well we are two Sags, my Moon in aqua, his Moon in sagittarius, 7th house ruler in SAgittarius, in my case conj. Sun, in his case square Mars-Jupiter.
You really donīt excpet anything but fun and games with this. And there IS a lot of fun and games, donīt get me wrong.

But we apparently also drive each other crazy occasionally, even from a distance.

But then maybe I should not underestimate that we both have a Cappy Venus squaring Pluto natally. With his Pluto being placed in 7th house, too, and Saturn on the DESC, squaring his Moon. for me Saturn in 8th house quinkunx Moon.
The Venus-Pluto-Saturn-Moon also meaning the same houserulers are activated in our respective natal charts.

Venus ruling my 5th and his 2nd
Pluto ruling my 11th and his 8th
Saturn ruling my 2nd and his 11th
Moon ruling my 8th and his 5th

See what happens?

Probably this natal mirroring of the Saturn/Pluto broody intense vibes is not to be underestimated.

All jolly and funny and cheery on the surface, but let`s not look too deeply beneath it, it might not be all as carefree and playful right underneath, and involving for both of us the succedent cross. Pheww.

Still for many years I would even outright deny that there was something there. Well there was *something*, but I wouldn`t even admit to myself that it might have ANYTHING to do with something remotely romantic/ emotional/relational.

In this instance I think, I am firstly a severe case of selfdenial (yes I am), and secondly it might be that it took some time to become aware of it.

maybe that is what our skipped step is about. It is Moon-Venus, it is in 12th house.
It seems other people were far sooner aware of what`s going on within me at least (not sure about him), than I was, or would allow myself to believe.

I definitely accepted the Jupiter in 5th and the Sun-Mercury-Neptune-Sappho in 11th, even the Mars in Libra, especially with it sextiling the friendly 11th house Sun.

But the Plutonic vibe? and emotional 12th house senario?
I rather turned a blind eye.

Though honestly it is not even an option with an exact Venus-Pluto and Moon-Mars square with Mars and Pluto being so close to be elevated in a chart.

Also I noticed that other people would start paying attention. It was odd, even when he as just on stage, and I thought I was just deluding myself into believing he really was looking at me or something like that, other people would start looking at me, looking at him, looking back at me, staring at me.
For heaven`s sake, I did not suddenly throw away all my clothes or did a dance in the arkness, there was never any reason to suddenly start looking at some figure in the audience, who was simply sitting there. But if other members of the audience start staring at you, though you ar ejust innocently sitting there doing nothing out of the ordinary, just following the performers eyes, well even I cannot ignore that forever.

posted July 28, 2014 02:48 PM            

It's definitely the cross Mars/Mars/Saturn that makes the difference.

Your aspects show me one more time that oppositions are felt, no matter how wide. Conjunctions too, but oppositions are strongly felt. The squares have to be a bit more exact, because of their triggering, active nature, perhaps.

Still, I would consider your Moon/Uranus square, because the other aspect is so tight. You have DW.

The Sun/Uranus DW is also valid, IMO, the mdp structure validates it.

You sure have some Uranus in there hahaha I know you don't like it, but it's definitely a Uranian synastry. Uranus can also reflect the inter-ethnic component.

I would also consider your Venus/Mars sextile.

But any of these aspects could be triggered in certain circumstances or if progressions mirror them: for example a longer Sun/Moon spct between natal/progr or progr/progr could have a Sun/Moon square flavor, although that aspect is too wide to be included in your regular list of aspects, IMO.

posted July 28, 2014 02:58 PM            

For example, his Sun/my Moon mdp and his Venus/my Mars mdp are the same, exact, and integrated into our Venus/Mars cross. And other interesting things, like our Moons on the mdp of our Mars/Saturn square etc.

Apart from the Yin/Yang which, I think, can be looked for even if there isn't an aspect, I would look at the midpoints for planets already in aspect in synastry - the midpoint of that aspect.

posted July 28, 2014 03:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Leeloo,

what I meant is this

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WOW...what a pretty penta structure! that's what you meant with blue on left, red on right.

About Uranus to your Moon/Saturn, I meant the triangle he makes with your quincunx, but I'm sure this is connected to other aspects as well.

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posted July 28, 2014 03:13 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Great analysis, Tulipe!

It's definitely the cross Mars/Mars/Saturn that makes the difference.

Your aspects show me one more time that oppositions are felt, no matter how wide. Conjunctions too, but oppositions are strongly felt. The squares have to be a bit more exact, because of their triggering, active nature, perhaps.

Still, I would consider your Moon/Uranus square, because the other aspect is so tight. You have DW.

The Sun/Uranus DW is also valid, IMO, the mdp structure validates it.

You sure have some Uranus in there hahaha I know you don't like it, but it's definitely a Uranian synastry. Uranus can also reflect the inter-ethnic component.

I would also consider your Venus/Mars sextile.

But any of these aspects could be triggered in certain circumstances or if progressions mirror them: for example a longer Sun/Moon spct between natal/progr or progr/progr could have a Sun/Moon square flavor, although that aspect is too wide to be included in your regular list of aspects, IMO.

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Oh, right now my progressed Venus sextile his progressed Mars, not the same as in synastry but a complimentary aspect perhaps. Come to think of it, we meet when my progressed Moon crossed over his progressed North Node, oppose his progressed Sun 1, square his progressed Saturn (he was having a Sun square Saturn square NN at the time, right now it's still in orb I suppose: skipped step at work here). Right now my progressed Mars is applying to an opposition to his progressed Saturn and my progressed Vertex, it's intersting how the progressed synastry mirror the original synastry (which I noticed you noted that in the progressed thread already lol).
Thanks for giving your feed back Lee, once triggered the aspect in synastry is felt constanly or only come alive with transits do you think?

posted July 28, 2014 03:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
Lee, can't we work with the square in Composite? The tension there can be worked out when a transit activate it, like a release?

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I think a square makes you work all the time but that's just my opinion. It's the active part of the relationship, the one that makes you do things, changes, the one that brings events into the couple's life. It is also the physical part, it has physical implications.

posted July 28, 2014 03:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yeah, well what intrigued me and startled me from the beginning was the intensity of my emotional reaction to him; we do not have to be together (like in, as a couple), it is there, when we are in physical proximity.
And I think he might curse this just as I have for many years, he feels some of that intensity, too.
Well he even verbalized it. lol

No, that does not mean anything more than just triggering something inside each other. That`s all.

But it surprised me, cause on our own, well we are two Sags, my Moon in aqua, his Moon in sagittarius, 7th house ruler in SAgittarius, in my case conj. Sun, in his case square Mars-Jupiter.
You really donīt excpet anything but fun and games with this. And there IS a lot of fun and games, donīt get me wrong.

But we apparently also drive each other crazy occasionally, even from a distance.

But then maybe I should not underestimate that we both have a Cappy Venus squaring Pluto natally. With his Pluto being placed in 7th house, too, and Saturn on the DESC, squaring his Moon. for me Saturn in 8th house quinkunx Moon.
The Venus-Pluto-Saturn-Moon also meaning the same houserulers are activated in our respective natal charts.

Venus ruling my 5th and his 2nd
Pluto ruling my 11th and his 8th
Saturn ruling my 2nd and his 11th
Moon ruling my 8th and his 5th

See what happens?

Probably this natal mirroring of the Saturn/Pluto broody intense vibes is not to be underestimated.

All jolly and funny and cheery on the surface, but let`s not look too deeply beneath it, it might not be all as carefree and playful right underneath, and involving for both of us the succedent cross. Pheww.

Still for many years I would even outright deny that there was something there. Well there was *something*, but I wouldn`t even admit to myself that it might have ANYTHING to do with something remotely romantic/ emotional/relational.

In this instance I think, I am firstly a severe case of selfdenial (yes I am), and secondly it might be that it took some time to become aware of it.

maybe that is what our skipped step is about. It is Moon-Venus, it is in 12th house.
It seems other people were far sooner aware of what`s going on within me at least (not sure about him), than I was, or would allow myself to believe.

I definitely accepted the Jupiter in 5th and the Sun-Mercury-Neptune-Sappho in 11th, even the Mars in Libra, especially with it sextiling the friendly 11th house Sun.

But the Plutonic vibe? and emotional 12th house senario?
I rather turned a blind eye.

Though honestly it is not even an option with an exact Venus-Pluto and Moon-Mars square with Mars and Pluto being so close to be elevated in a chart.

Also I noticed that other people would start paying attention. It was odd, even when he as just on stage, and I thought I was just deluding myself into believing he really was looking at me or something like that, other people would start looking at me, looking at him, looking back at me, staring at me.
For heaven`s sake, I did not suddenly throw away all my clothes or did a dance in the arkness, there was never any reason to suddenly start looking at some figure in the audience, who was simply sitting there. But if other members of the audience start staring at you, though you ar ejust innocently sitting there doing nothing out of the ordinary, just following the performers eyes, well even I cannot ignore that forever.

I was wondering if that might be the Uranus on our MC. Other people becoming aware of some sort of bizarre vibration between us. lol

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Lovely analysis, Ceri. I'm sure composite Uranus on MC gives a Uranian vibe to the couple when in public and people react strongly and perhaps they can feel the current of energy between the two and the energy they spread around when together, an electric one.

posted July 28, 2014 03:19 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
WOW...what a pretty penta structure! that's what you meant with blue on left, red on right.

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I've forgotten the name for that configuration, only that I've seen it in Selen synastry and it's really beautiful. I didn't do my pattern homework .

posted July 28, 2014 03:24 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I think a square makes you work all the time but that's just my opinion. It's the active part of the relationship, the one that makes you do things, changes, the one that brings events into the couple's life. It is also the physical part, it has physical implications.

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posted July 28, 2014 03:28 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I found some interesting things with the mixed midpoints, but I'll perhaps open a new thread about it.

For example, his Sun/my Moon mdp and his Venus/my Mars mdp are the same, exact, and integrated into our Venus/Mars cross. And other interesting things, like our Moons on the mdp of our Mars/Saturn square etc.

Apart from the Yin/Yang which, I think, can be looked for even if there isn't an aspect, I would look at the midpoints for planets already in aspect in synastry - the midpoint of that aspect.

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Yes, make that new thread.

I just glimpsed and stumbled across something interesting, too.

His Mercury squares my Jupiter closely, representing a connection between his DESC-ruler and my ASC-ruler.

and his Mercury/my Jupiter-mp is on 25 Cap, right on his natal Venus (and we figured this is the release point of my pr yod. lol)

his Venus actually is co-ruler of his DESC (Libra intercepted) , and exactly semisquare my Jupiter