posted August 05, 2014 08:24 AM            

like usual I find myself agreeing with you.

"But they are less deeply personal in nature and more like an interesting spectacle to explore. "
That is a good way of putting it.
His Mars square my Neptune certainly falls into this area. It feels "out-there", but still with that strong magnetic pull, but bizarre and surreal (it is a close square, too, one degree).

"People sometimes forget how powerful Sun/Moon is."
I am guilty of that myself. I tend to underestimate it.

However his Moon conjunct my Sun, even though it is not exact (orb: 2°43 - still close enough), and there is a physical pull most certainly, but coming with a lot of comfort, as strange as that sounds. I usually never let anyone get close to me physically, or I am very guarded (Aqua-Moon), but no defense systems when it comes to him. Not that we are that close really, but for those occasions we talked, it struck me, how much he "invaded" my privacy-zone (even in terms of the usual distance zones), and how little concerned that made me feel. Usually I would feel threatened and fighting for my personal space (even if semi-conscious). When it comes to him, I have to actively REMEMBER that you are not supposed to stand that close to who would considered a stranger by most accounts (not total stranger, but not a friend either).

Yet, this physical proximity feels just right, non threatening and even comforting. The uncomfortable awkward thing comes from trying to remember that this is not how people should feel or respond to proximity.

Actually for the first time we met, I DID withdraw a little to establish a "correct distance zone". Well the last time I was tempted to do so as well, but then realized that I didn`t really WANT to. Maybe given our status he should not stand that close, but if he can deal with it, so can I.
And I really don´t want or need that physical space from him, that I seem to need from everyone else.
Was quite a light bulb moment for me.

Maybe his Sun just one degree of my Sun helps with that, too.
Oh and of course it involves my 7th house ruler Mercury as well, and his 5th house ruler Moon.

"Aspects to the Asc, or possibly the Asc ruler, from Mars or Venus in the other person’s chart can often do the trick. The Asc rules our appearance. "
That is interesting. I have been wondering about this, too, but then lost the train of thought again. Frazzled Sag-Mercury.
Too many shiny thoughts to think about.

Hmm let`s see.

Our ASC-rulers are opposite closely.

my Venus trines his Mars-Jupiter-conjunction (Mars ruling his intercepted Aries in 1st house; Jupiter being traditional ruler of his ASC).
It is widish though (Venus-Jupiter: 4°02, Venus-Mars: 4°58).

his Mars squares my ASC widish (4°05)
His Mars opposes my ASC-ruler Jupiter (0°07)

Interstingly I never even noticed that my Venus is aspecting his ASC-ruler, and his Mars is aspecting mine (though his aspect is unbeatable in terms of closeness. lol only two other aspects have a tighter orb: my Uranus sextile his NN 0°01, and his Jupiter square my NN 0°00)

So summarizing we have:

his Moon conjunct my Sun (2°43)
his Mars trine my Venus (4°58)
his Mars square my Neptune (1°09)
his Mars square my ASC (4°05)
his Mars opposite my ASC-ruler (0°07)
my Venus trine his ASC-ruler (4°02 and 4°58)

Of course some of them are widish,

I do not consider these that much, but still noticed:

his Venus semisextile my Sun 0°01

his Neptune widely conj. my Sun 5°29
his Pluto trine my Moon 4°17
his Pluto semisquare my Mars 1°13
my Uranus sextile his Moon 2°43
my Uranus widely square his Venus 5°26
my Neptune semisquare his Venus 0°59

his Vertex square my Sun 2°34
my Avx conjunct his Venus 4°27
my Vx trine his Uranus 1°27
my Vx square his Pluto 0°06

posted August 05, 2014 08:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
t might be a one-sided attraction if the house ruler is not a gender planet.

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Yes, that is what I noticed as well.
At first I thought that it was always the case that only the house person was attracted (if there was an aspect to their 5th house ruler for example), but it wasn`t true all of the times. And those times it seems to be still mutual, was when the houseruler was a gender planet as you said.

So In this respect I suppose I can be glad that my 5th house ruler is Venus and my 8th house ruelr is Moon.

Oh and personally I tend to also consider the traditional rulers, especially Mars for Scorpio. But also Jupiter for Pisces work. Saturn for Aquarius is maybe a little trickier, but still valid.

EDIT:
His 5th house ruler is Moon, his 7th house rulers are Mercury and Venus, and his 8th house ruler are Pluto and Mars btw.

That 5th house ruler of his on my Sun - I think I do feel it, too, not just him.
But could be because it conjuncts my 7th house ruler as well.

However, my 5th house ruler Venus - I am still surprised how strongly I respond to that rather widish trine to his Mars.
I mean sure, under 5 degree is valid, but that strong?
And a trine?
It just puzzles me.

posted August 05, 2014 08:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:

If gender planets are ruling the love houses and conjunct someone else's Asc it's much more likely to result in a MUTUAL physical attraction.

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Too bad then, that while his 7th house ruler conjuncts my ASC, it is Mercury. :sighs:
Couldn´t it have been Venus or Mars? or even Sun or Moon?

Funny enough, though, his EROS conjuncts my chartruler, non-gender Jupiter (2°52) and squares my ASC (1°19)

And then there is the whole BML-mess

posted August 05, 2014 10:25 AM            

Anyway, in a way Saturn makes much sense for Aquas, too. They are a fixed signs, haven`t you noticed how fixated, stubborn and rigid Aqua`s can be, especially mentally?

"my way or the highway"-mentality often.

They are NOT really all that adaptable, that is a thing for mutable signs. not for Aquas.
Yes they are unpredictable, sudden, surprising - for others.

Also they do play to the rules, quite strongly so. I tjust have to be their OWN rules.

That is what puts them really apart from Cappys; they are both rule-oriented-people, just Cappys do it within a society`s frame; while Aquas do not mind to do it outside of the usial social context. It is more important they can play to their own rules, than fitting in. If society is too dumb to get that Aqua`S rules are the right ones, Aqua will make a new society. Simple as that.

posted August 05, 2014 11:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Aqua will make a new society. Simple as that.

(I do have an Aqua-father. Does it show? )

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Hahahahaha I like that.

Aqua father here too

You know, to be honest, Aqua people are among the hardest to change, for all I know, if not impossible. They are very fixed people. Which indeed is antagonistic to the idea of Uranus. Aqua is basically the ORIGINAL and even the ECCENTRIC. But he can be very rigid when it comes to changing his ways or himself, to adapt to changing circumstances and people. And this is very Saturnian indeed. They prefer to change the world or that the world collapses rather than changing themselves

Oh, well, at least you know an Aqua remains the same, yet surprises you somehow

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posted August 05, 2014 07:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Oh and personally I tend to also consider the traditional rulers, especially Mars for Scorpio. But also Jupiter for Pisces work. Saturn for Aquarius is maybe a little trickier, but still valid.

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I totally agree with this. I tend to see Scorpio, Aquarius, and Pisces as dual ruled signs.

I took part in a thread just recently called Another method to determine one's type.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/000606.html

The OP was trying to figure out why so many of Leonardo DiCaprio's girlfriends had Cancer Suns. He has Aquarius on the 5th house cusp, ruled by Uranus in Libra... And Saturn in Cancer.

Scorpio, Aquarius, and Pisces each have an introverted ruler and an extroverted ruler.

SCORPIO
Introverted Ruler: Pluto
Extroverted Ruler: Mars

AQUARIUS
Introverted Ruler: Saturn
Extroverted Ruler: Uranus

PISCES
Introverted Ruler: Neptune
Extroverted Ruler: Jupiter

posted August 06, 2014 05:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
What if in a masculine chart the extroverted ruler is in an introverted sign (Virgo) and the introverted one - Pluto- in an extroverted sign (libra)?

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Hmmmmmmmm. Okay, I tend to think the introverted rulers, and the extroverted rulers, work a little like the gender planets when they rule a love-house cusp.

A dude with Moon in Leo would still be drawn to passionate, enthusiastic women. Attraction to the qualities of the Moon sign would still be present despite the fact that Leo is a rather masculine sign.

Same is true for a women with Mars in Pisces. She’d like dreamy, artsy, idealistic, sensitive kinds of guys. Despite the fact that Pisces is a very feminine sign, an attraction to the qualities of the Mars sign would still be there.

Back to the introverted rulers vs. extroverted rulers…

posted August 06, 2014 07:52 AM            

But for me it is obsolete anyway, as my love houses are ruled by Venus, Mercury and Moon.

posted August 06, 2014 08:20 AM            

Neptune is in Libra in 2nd house square Mercury.
Jupiter is in Aquarius in 5th house conjunct Venus opposite Pluto.

While I can see my Mom in both, the symbolic fulfillment of his traditional 7th house ruler, Jupiter, seems more "in the face".

She has no strong Libra in her chart (only Neptune and Saturn)

However if we take the square to Mercury into consideration, she has a VERY strong emphasis on Virgo, with her Moon, Venus (and Mars) being placed in that sign.

As for his Jupiter in Aquarius in 5th house opposing Pluto, I find it relates to her chart quite much.

she has Uranus exact on her ASC, being tightly sextile her Venus.

Her Sun is in Scorpio in 5th house, which fits his 7th house ruler in 5th ouse, opposing Pluto.
(her Sun also opposes his Moon, which is placed in his 8th house, and she has Scorpio Sun and Cancer-ASC, so she fits his type anyway. lol)

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my brother has Scorpio on the 8th house cusp without planets therein. his Uranus is already snuggled up to his 9th house cusp (0°33 orb to 9th house cusp), and it is conjunct his Moon and Jupiter, which are clearly in 9th house, nevertheless maybe his Uranus is a border-line-case. It certainly fits with his persistant notion that he is never going to get married for he does not need a certificate to make his relationship a legit one.
so of course his Uranus might be still factoring in.

But concentrating on his 8th house.
introverted ruler Pluto is on the last degree of LIbra conjunct Saturn in 7th house trine Mercury in Aquarius exact. Usually I do not find the trines to be THAT obvious in terms of what we are drawn to, aspecting houserulers. 4th harmonic aspects seem to stand out more, UNLESS the trine is very exact as it is here. Also Mercury in Aquarius might subtly nodd toward the Uranus at the end of 8th house as well.

However, what his girlfriend should have then, is Libra/Venus prominent along with Saturn and a dash of Mercury to mirror his Pluto as 8th house ruler.

Mars, the extroverted ruler, is in Aries in 1st house, widely conjunct Venus (6°53), trine Uranus (1°57).

Well, I mention the trine to Uranus, because it is already the third time that the Uranus symbolism crops up, though in very subtle ways (end of 8th house, instead of beginning; the introverted ruler trine a planet in Aquarius, and now again, the extro-ruler trine Uranus).

Well in relation to the extroverted ruler, the symbolism of Aries should be VERY strong (ruler in Aries AND 1st house), along with Venus/libra/Taurus, and well the Uranus-vibe is valid for both placements.

So option A demands:
Venus (Libra) - Saturn with a dash of Mercury-Uranus

option B demands:
Mars - Venus with a dash of Uranus

his girlfriend has:

the ruler of ASC in 7th house (though in Scorpio) - which fits both options.
No strong Libra or Venus or personal planets in 7th house (except for chartruler Mars) otherwise.

MC in Capricorn, hmm is it enough Saturn?

Moon in Virgo in 6th house is certainly very Mercurial (and probably reminds my brother of our mother sometimes. their moons are even conjunct. lol)

No Aqua nor Uranus though.

She has an Aries-ASC though with Mars being exactly trine Sun (0°35) (and sextile Moon).

I`d say she mirrors the conditions of both rulers.

her 6th house Virgo Moon relating to his Pluto-Mercury-trine

the chartruler in 7th house fitting to both rulers.

her Aries-ASC, Mars trine Sun and sextile Moon fitting his extroverted ruler of 8th house which is very strongly Aries-emphasized (in Aries and 1st house).

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posted August 06, 2014 11:24 AM            

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The weird thing I've noticed when Scorpio, Aquarius, or Pisces, are on the 5th, 7th, or 8th houses, is that men tend to gravitate towards the introverted ruler, while women tend to gravitate towards the extroverted ruler, in terms of what energy type attracts them most. It's not black and white though. Both rulers can and do work for attraction to some extent for each gender. Only the introverted ruler is a bit more dominant in attraction for men, the extroverted ruler is a bit more dominant in attraction for women. I suspect this is because introverted rulers are more feminine, at least in comparison to the extroverted rulers, which are more masculine.

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I'm a woman and Neptune wins for me.

posted August 06, 2014 01:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
The weird thing I've noticed when Scorpio, Aquarius, or Pisces, are on the 5th, 7th, or 8th houses, is that men tend to gravitate towards the introverted ruler, while women tend to gravitate towards the extroverted ruler, in terms of what energy type attracts them most.

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Though my girl friend has her 5th house in Aquarius and she definitely prefers Saturnian guys. But then, her Mars is conj Saturn in Virgo (12th house) and her own natal Saturn is very active, she has Saturn square Sun-Venus in Gemini in addition to the Mars conjunction.

posted August 06, 2014 01:36 PM            

1. Moon in Taurus in 2nd (unaspected)
2. Venus in Gemini in 3rd (trine Mars, trine Pluto, trine Jupiter, oppose Neptune)
3. 7th house Libra (Jupiter, Mars, Saturn and Pluto in 7th)

posted August 06, 2014 02:32 PM            

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Originally posted by margym0o:
Hi Enneline, what do you think this man's type is?

1. Moon in Taurus in 2nd (unaspected)
2. Venus in Gemini in 3rd (trine Mars, trine Pluto, trine Jupiter, oppose Neptune)
3. 7th house Libra (Jupiter, Mars, Saturn and Pluto in 7th)

Thanks

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Moon's strong in its natural house...

posted August 06, 2014 02:54 PM            

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Originally posted by starrynight:
Enneline, may I ask too? What do you think this guy's type is like?

1) Moon in Aries in 2nd house (Moon trine Mercury, Moon trine Jupiter)
2) Venus in Scorpio right on the border between 8th and 9th (Venus square Jupiter, Venus conj Uranus)
3) 7th house in Leo (Jupiter and Mercury in the 7th house)

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posted August 06, 2014 05:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
My first thought: DRAMA-Queen

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posted August 06, 2014 05:12 PM            

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Originally posted by starrynight:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Enneline:
[b] My first thought: DRAMA-Queen

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posted August 08, 2014 08:40 AM            

For example, someone with Mars in Gemini will have the 3rd house as an attraction house, when it comes to their Mars (physical attraction, sexual preferences). I look at the signs in that house, not only the cusp, but pay an extra attention to the house ruler, of course. I look at the planets there, they will have a connotation related to planet Mars for that person. People putting planets there or aspecting the ruler or aspecting that planet will be considered attractive in this respect.

The same with Venus. Thank you, Lotis!

About the emerging patterns:

My Venus in Virgo sends me to my 6th house, cusp in Gem, almost the entire house in Cancer, Saturn at the end of the house. It says for my Venus to be properly activated, the person has to have something in Gem and/or Cancer, he has to aspect my Mercury (which is already my 5th/8th ruler), he has to have a strong Cancerian flavor (in tune with my 7th too) and he must be Saturnian in some ways and aspect my Saturn. So there's a congruence in all this, in tune with my love rulers and houses.

Another example: he has Mars in Gem. Looking at his 3rd, I see Scorpio and Sag, with Neptune in Sag. So he will be attracted to someone aspecting his Pluto (which makes a lot of sense for a guy with Pluto conj ASC, trine Venus and Mars and having a Scorpio Moon) and his Neptune, the apex of his Kite, and the opposition is Mars opp Neptune!. This person must have a Scorpio/Sag vibe.

Lotis, have you noticed this too?

Anyone else, does it fit for you, the secondary houses of your Venus and Mars?

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posted August 08, 2014 10:25 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Inspired by Lotis, for an in depth analysis, I'm also looking at the secondary houses of Venus and Mars. I've noticed it works! I've also noticed certain patterns appear.

For example, someone with Mars in Gemini will have the 3rd house as an attraction house, when it comes to their Mars (physical attraction, sexual preferences). I look at the signs in that house, not only the cusp, but pay an extra attention to the house ruler, of course. I look at the planets there, they will have a connotation related to planet Mars for that person. People putting planets there or aspecting the ruler or aspecting that planet will be considered attractive in this respect.

The same with Venus. Thank you, Lotis!

About the emerging patterns:

My Venus in Virgo sends me to my 6th house, cusp in Gem, almost the entire house in Cancer, Saturn at the end of the house. It says for my Venus to be properly activated, the person has to have something in Gem and/or Cancer, he has to aspect my Mercury (which is already my 5th/8th ruler), he has to have a strong Cancerian flavor (in tune with my 7th too) and he must be Saturnian in some ways and aspect my Saturn. So there's a congruence in all this, in tune with my love rulers and houses.

Another example: he has Mars in Gem. Looking at his 3rd, I see Scorpio and Sag, with Neptune in Sag. So he will be attracted to someone aspecting his Pluto (which makes a lot of sense for a guy with Pluto conj ASC, trine Venus and Mars and having a Scorpio Moon) and his Neptune, the apex of his Kite, and the opposition is Mars opp Neptune!. This person must have a Scorpio/Sag vibe.

Lotis, have you noticed this too?

Anyone else, does it fit for you, the secondary houses of your Venus and Mars?

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posted August 08, 2014 12:02 PM            

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Anyone else, does it fit for you, the secondary houses of your Venus and Mars?

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Originally posted by margym0o:
This is interesting. How do you determine this? What if someone has Venus in Gemini/Mars in Libra?

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Venus in Gemini - you look at the 3rd house
Mars in Libra - you look at the 7th house

posted August 08, 2014 12:05 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Venus in Gemini - you look at the 3rd house
Mars in Libra - you look at the 7th house

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So is it just a coincidence he has Venus in the 3rd house and Mars in the 7th house? What would that mean?