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LeeLoo2014
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posted August 03, 2014 06:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
...by looking at their natal?

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posted August 03, 2014 07:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I use basic basic beginner astrology.

For women I take a look at their mars'es and their venus'es and 7th house. In my birth chart:
1. Mars in Gemini in 11th house
2. Venus in Cancer in 12th house
3. 7th house in Capricorn and Aquarius
-> I love men who are sociable, who are great in communication (I have a dislike for close-lipped guys) but who are also caring, affectionate, "deep" and somehow spiritual. My 7th house is ruled by Saturn/Uranus. So he has to be reliable, realistic und humanistic as well.

For men I look at their moons and venuses and 7th house. Have a look at DiCaprio's chart
1. Moon in Libra in 1st house
2. Venus in Scorpio in 2nd house
3. 7th house in Aries
-> he loves beautiful, somehow "balanced" womwn who are self-confident but who are also "deep" and sensual and nevertheless: she must be lively, feisty and independent.

Whenever I look at a synastry I check that first since I've experienced that no matter how great the aspects are: if someone is not your type, he is not your type. Basta.

Of course there are couples out there who have good aspects but no matching pattern when defining their partner's type but that always causes friction.


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posted August 03, 2014 07:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very nice and to the point, thank you

Then what do you think about this man's type?

- Moon in Scorpio 2nd (trine Sun)
- Venus in Aqua 5th (trine Mars and Pluto)
- 7th house: Pisces and Aries.

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posted August 03, 2014 07:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Very nice and to the point, thank you

Then what do you think about this man's type?

- Moon in Scorpio 2nd (trine Sun)
- Venus in Aqua 5th (trine Mars and Pluto)
- 7th house: Pisces and Aries.


Urgh...is he married? I guess not

Well, he needs a "deep" woman with sensual traits. As if she has to carry intellectual conversations while having an excellent dinner and wine. While doing so, she must be lively, energetic but also playful (like loosing herself in child-like or even spiritual fantasies).

Yes, a "deep", energetic, playful woman who is interested in spiritual/humanitarian issues

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posted August 03, 2014 07:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, he's my love Do you think I'm his type?

And what do you need to know about me (what placements) to determine if I'm his type? my Venus Mars DSC?

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posted August 03, 2014 08:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
No, he's my love Do you think I'm his type?

And what do you need to know about me (what placements) to determine if I'm his type? my Venus Mars DSC?


Absolutely! Hey, you are an Artist and astrologer. You are deep and spiritual

I would need to see your birth chart

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posted August 03, 2014 08:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
7th ( and 5th house ) for both genders.

Venus and Moon(for men) and Mars and Sun (for women).

Venus and Mars often seem to be more specific.

Keep in mind though that of course Venus is extremely important for both sexes, in terms of what they seek in a relationship.


Though Sun and Moon are animus/anima planets I find they are such an integral part of the personality, that usually they manifest clearly in each one`s personality as well (Sun for women, Moon for men).


Of course there are always exception. For example if the Moon in a male chart is in conflict with pretty much every other identity-planet, like Sun, Mars, ASC, ruler of 1st and ruler of 2nd, then he might opt to project Moon onto the women in his life (especially if Moon should fall in his 7th house, or maybe even if it was conjunct Venus).


For me personally Mars is clearly an identity-planet, but my case might be a specific one as Mars is conjunct my ASC. What conjuncts the ASC closely is very much part of the "Me-scenario".
At least that is how I experience it. It does not mean that it falls flat in terms of what I look for in a man. It probably serves both purposes, one more hint at the fact that I seek a mirrorimage. lol
(mars is part of both my partner-and Self-image).

My Venus is also interestingly VERY strongly figured in what I am looking for in a man. There is no way I get attracted if there is not some Saturn-Pluto going on in a man.
It is not just what I exhibit, but what I am drawn to.
I think though the fact that Venus rules my 5th house and thus is part of my sexuality profile speaks volumes.

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posted August 03, 2014 08:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
very good article on this
http://theinnerwheel.com/2009/09/21/synastry-studies-the-inner-script/

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posted August 03, 2014 08:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Enneline:
Absolutely! Hey, you are an Artist and astrologer. You are deep and spiritual

I would need to see your birth chart


There it is:

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posted August 03, 2014 08:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
very good article on this
http://theinnerwheel.com/2009/09/21/synastry-studies-the-inner-script/

Thank you, Ceri

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posted August 03, 2014 08:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
However, I have noticed men seem to gravitate towards their Mars, especially in the second part of life. And I think women do the same towards their Venus.

So I wonder why a man's Mars is not included in the traditional evaluation of one's type?

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posted August 03, 2014 09:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

There it is:


- Moon in Scorpio 2nd (trine Sun)
- Venus in Aqua 5th (trine Mars and Pluto)
- 7th house: Pisces and Aries.

-> his venus in Aqua in the 5th house: Your first house in Aqua: yeah, already a very good chance that you are his type. And your node is in the house ruled naturally by aqua: He must find you fascinating. The 5th house is ruled by Leo: your moon is in Leo.

-> his moon in scorpio in the 2nd house: your mc is in scorpio. Your approach to life (like being an astrologer and artist) turns him on. The second house is ruled by Taurus and your IC is in Taurus: great.

Also, your desc in cancer (which makes nice trines to your 2nd/ picses house) and your moon in Leo matches his 7th house

Yeah, from the VERY FIRST glance already: you seem to be his type.

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posted August 03, 2014 09:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
However, I have noticed men seem to gravitate towards their Mars, especially in the second part of life. And I think women do the same towards their Venus.

So I wonder why a man's Mars is not included in the traditional evaluation of one's type?



Because whle Mars is not so much a thing of their "type", it is a MUST for relating sexually to a woman.

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posted August 03, 2014 09:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In a synastry I actually rather would like to leave his Venus untouched, than his Mars. Though ideally it would be both there. lol
But an unaspected (male) Mars in a synastry (with me) feels more than a little frutrating, dissatisfying, and even though there might be some attraction, appeal, intrigue present, without his Mars in the picture, there is always something weirdly off. Like the attraction just is not enough to really want to act on it. Dunno. Maybe it is just me though.

Same goes for my Venus - no aspects to it, no attraction on my behalf.

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posted August 03, 2014 09:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted August 03, 2014 09:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Enneline:
- Moon in Scorpio 2nd (trine Sun)
- Venus in Aqua 5th (trine Mars and Pluto)
- 7th house: Pisces and Aries.

-> his venus in Aqua in the 5th house: Your first house in Aqua: yeah, already a very good chance that you are his type. And your node is in the house ruled naturally by aqua: He must find you fascinating. The 5th house is ruled by Leo: your moon is in Leo.

-> his moon in scorpio in the 2nd house: your mc is in scorpio. Your approach to life (like being an astrologer and artist) turns him on. The second house is ruled by Taurus and your IC is in Taurus: great.

Also, your desc in cancer (which makes nice trines to your 2nd/ picses house) and your moon in Leo matches his 7th house

Yeah, from the VERY FIRST glance already: you seem to be his type.


lol
Thanks, Enneline! (BTW, you have a beautiful name, is it yours? )

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posted August 03, 2014 09:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Because whle Mars is not so much a thing of their "type", it is a MUST for relating sexually to a woman.

Good point.

Here's a quote from the article I'm reading now (the one you sent) I find very interesting:

Of the relationship pairings, the Moon is the more primal and Venus more easily acknowledged. Of the male signatures, Mars is more primal than the Sun. It is easier for these primal planets to be projected onto others, whereas Venus and the Sun are primarily about taste. The woman with the 12th house Virgo Sun may have the Piscean/Martian archetype dominant and may not as a whole, go for Virgo men, but neither will she be attracted to a guy who’s always got ketchup running down his shirt.

As women get older, their relationship to their Sun changes. The more they live their Sun (particularly after age 36 and the third Jupiter return), the less dominant it becomes as an attraction factor. As men get older, their relationship to their Moon changes –they become more nurturing (and self-nurturing) after the Uranus opposition, which comes somewhere around the same time as the half-way point of the second progressed lunar return (very roughly speaking, depending on the orbit of Uranus). It becomes less likely that we will project father/mother issues onto our partners, or expect our partners to live out some unlived part of ourselves.

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posted August 03, 2014 09:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Am i right?

When i saw your mc in scorpio and your first house in Aqua, i was like "I don't need to look any further..."

No, unfortunately not but my unborn daughter has been baptized with that name

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posted August 03, 2014 09:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Vajra:
Hi LeeLoo,

I have some experience with the Aqua/Scorpio combo in Venus and Moon I can share with you. My man has a Scorpio Venus conj. Uranus, an Aqua Moon and Aqua DC. A long-term ex had a Scorp Moon conj. Neptune and an Aqua Venus. Both have striking similarities regarding their type. For instance, my man once said his previous relationships all ended because his partners were either spiritual or intellectual people, but never both; he however needs his woman to be both spiritual and intellectual. They are turned on by brilliance, talent, special abilities in some field. Both men hate mushiness (they feel it's fake); have non-traditional gender role ideas; and they are immensely attracted to strength (in every sense of the word, including physical). The ex dreamed of me getting into martial arts, and my love has actually managed to make me take up weight lifting. He was immensily pleased when I was first able to deadlift my own body weight. I suppose most men would not be turned on by this feat but he certainly was. On the reverse side this means they are repulsed by weakness, neediness and clinginess. They both don't like overweight, but also not too ethereal bodies. Wiry strength I think captures their ideal body type best. And they absolutely need their space and need to assert their indepence once in a while when in a relationship. Regarding favorite facial type, they both seem to go for non-traditional (read: edgy) kinds of beauty. For real! My man once even complained about my facial features being "too regular" for his taste; he said "you're not quite my usual type, normally I don't go for classic beauties". He assumes (quite wrongly, perhaps) that beautiful women are usually airheads...you get the idea.

So there you go. Hope this adds to the points already made by others!


Thank you so much, Vajra, very interesting.
It fits him also, and I'm surprised about that part with a strong body, he likes that too! Where do you think this comes from?


Also, I'm curious what Mars do your guys have? And what DSC the ex had?

I'm not sure about the mushiness, mine has Sun in Pisces, Virgo ASC and he is quite mushy so far hahahaha

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posted August 03, 2014 09:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Enneline:
Am i right?


I hope so

Yes, his packed 5th (Merc, Jupiter, asteroids, Venus) covers my entire intercepted 1st, and that's a good thing.

I think there's also a match between:

his Virgo ASC/his Sun in 6th/my Virgo/my Cap ASC
his intercepted Cap/Cancer, my ASC/DSC
his Scorpio Moon/my packed 8th house
my Leo Moon/his packed 5th
my Saturn on DSC/Cap ASC/his Saturn on MC square Sun and ASC
and of course, the aspects

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posted August 03, 2014 09:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted August 03, 2014 09:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Enneline, I forgot to ask: so you think the MC is an attraction point?
What do you think it gives, compared to the DSC, as attraction point?

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posted August 03, 2014 09:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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LeeLoo,
I think the strength thing is probably connected to the Scorpio influence. I noticed that for some reason strong, wiry arms with defined muscles really turn them on.

The ex is a Pisces Sun as well, by the way, with Mars in Aries and Sag DC. We were together for thirteen years and have a child, so we're still in close contact and are very good friends. The other guy is a Scorp Sun with Mars in Leo.

Now that I come to think of it, the Fishy ex was indeed somewhat mushier than my triple Scorpio...


Hm really interesting...however, now that I see their Marses, I think it's possible the attraction to muscular women could come from the Aries Mars and the Sag DSC, at least in the case of your ex. And perhaps Mars in Leo likes that too. I'm not sure Scorpio and Aqua can be blamed for it.

Mine has Mars in Gemini 9th and Aries in 7th. Plus, Mars rules his 8th house. So I was thinking (before reading your amazing post about these striking similarities hahaha) that his attraction towards muscular women could come from Mars in 9th (the Sag influence) and the Aries influence, plus Gemini who likes lean, wiry bodies.

But perhaps there is something with strength and Scorpio, although I always thought Scorpio people like moral strength rather than physical.

He also has Mars trine Pluto (and Venus) and Pluto on ASC, and this could influence the tastes too - Mars/Pluto likes strong bodies.

Wow...amazing similarities, however hahahaha

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posted August 03, 2014 09:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Enneline, what do you think is this man's type?

1. Moon in Cancer in 8th
2. Venus in Aqua in 3rd
3. 7th house Taurus (with Chiron Retro)

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posted August 03, 2014 10:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Enneline, I forgot to ask: so you think the MC is an attraction point?
What do you think it gives, compared to the DSC, as attraction point?


Definitely. But not for everyone, depends on the natal.
The desc shows how someone would be like when being in a relationship resp. how the ideal relationship should be like. The mc shows the career goals and the approach to life (among other things). If that matches with the conception of the ideal partner -> sexy

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