posted September 05, 2014 01:48 PM            

But this;

His tropical Sun 1 Cap.
My draco Moon 1 Cap.

My tropical venus 0 Leo.
His draco Mars 0 Leo.

My tropical DESC 3 Pisces.
His draco Sun 3 Pisces.

My tropical Pluto 28 Virgo.
His tropical Chiron 28 Virgo.

His tropical Mars 28 Taurus.
My draco Chiron 28 Taurus.

^ all within 1 degr. (matter of minutes with some).

The draco planets are also overlapping our Sun/Venus/Mars Yod, as u see. And also that interlocked pluto/Mars/venus minor grand trine .. (with even both draco chirons)

(these ^ were just the most tight/important/mind-blowing)

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Worth mentioning also,

In tropical;
His Sun/Moon midpoint opposite my Sun.

In draco;
My Sun/Moon midpoint opposite his Moon.

posted September 05, 2014 04:18 PM            

Sun conjunct Sun 3
Sun conjunct Pluto 1
Sun conjunct MC (maybe)
IC conjunct Moon (maybe)
Jupiter conjunct Uranus 0
Uranus conjunct Chiron 0
Pluto conjunct Psyche and Pholus 1
Ceres conjunct Neptune 1
Juno conjunct Venus 0
Vesta conjunct Saturn 3
Eros conjunct Sun 0
Eros conjunct Pluto 2
Priapus conjunct Sun 2
Union conjunct Jupiter 1
Groom conjunct Venus 1
Briede conjunct Vesta 3
Psyche conjunct Pholus 1

posted September 05, 2014 04:26 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:
EDIT@

Worth mentioning also,

In tropical;
His Sun/Moon midpoint opposite my Sun.

In draco;
My Sun/Moon midpoint opposite his Moon.

(^ by 1 both)

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I'm completely flabbergasted..

Well, I just discovered (thanks to Lee and this thread) that my draco Sun/Moon midpoint opposite his draco Moon is the effect of THIS tropical alignment:

- My Sun/Moon midpoint exactly quindecile his Moon. (I had no idea)

(well, that quindecile ^ is ofcourse the synastry angle between our NN and SN, otherwise you won't get a draco-draco opp.).

But then...

I looked further and this time at HIS draco Sun/Moon midpoint, and so I discovered;

His draco Sun/Moon midpoint is quindecile my draco Sun!

So, WHAT is the result of all above?

Tropical;

- His Sun/Moon midpoint opp. my Sun
- My Sun/Moon midpoint quindecile his Moon

DRACO;

- My Sun/Moon midpoint opp. his Moon
- His Sun/Moon midpoint quindecile my Sun

^
Both quindecile orbs here are 0'10-0'20!
Both opp. orbs here are about 1 deg!

MY..

This is probably just a logical result... but... well, it's INTERESTING!

So, I would advice..

posted September 05, 2014 04:46 PM            

her Sun conjunct his Groom 0
his Mars conjunct her Neptune 1
his Ceres conjunct her Uranus 0
her Union conjunct his Uranus 3
her Juno conjunct his Boda 0 :O
her Psyche conjunct his Eros 1
her Vesta conjunct his Eros 2

posted September 11, 2014 07:37 AM            

This could be interesting, if I decipher its meaning, so far I'd say the Draco synastry is a profile of the nodal angle.

What do you think, Ceri?

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posted September 11, 2014 07:59 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

This could be interesting, if I decipher its meaning, so far I'd say the Draco synastry is a profile of the nodal angle.

What do you think, Ceri?

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posted September 11, 2014 08:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
yeah, that is what I have been saying all along. Noone ever seems to listen to me though.

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C'mon, Ceri, that's not fair, your words are like a Bible to me.

posted September 11, 2014 10:33 AM            

Anyways, my close synastric conjunctions, first planets and points, then planets and asteroids, then asteroids, all under 2° orb, most under 1°:

my AC - his Vertex
my Saturn/Valentine - his Neptune
my Pluto/Boda - his Mars/Juno/Briede

my Sun - his Vesta
my Mercury - his Cupido
my Venus - his Apollo/Valentine
my Uranus - his Union
my Psyche/BML/Pallas - his Venus
my Vesta/Union - his Saturn
my Juno/Adonis/Osiris/Angel - his Pluto

my Amor - his Amor/my name asteroid
my name asteroid - his Skuld
my Ceres - his Lust
my Hera - his BML/Dejanira
my Groom - his Hera
my Isis - his DC
my Werdandi - his Isis
my Apollo/Cupido - his Osiris
my Pholus - his Groom (in geo, my Pholus-his Sun exact. weirdness. also in geo, his Groom-my Briede. so there's a 4-way there of my Briede-his Groom-my Pholus-his Sun that interact and exchange.)
my Karma/Lilith - his Adonis/Pallas

In conclusion, the AC-Vertex as I understand is a common aspect, but in geo, not Draconic. In geo, my Vertex is wide(4°) on his Sun, his Vertex exact on my Aphrodite. So that's relevant I guess.
The 4 planets in contact are mostly of a harsh, male quality - Mars, Saturn, Pluto. There are asteroid-planet contacts that soften those harsh energies up, but the main planetary contact theme does seem to be a heavy one.
The Pholus contacts are happening on every level in some way and I have not come across a synastry yet where Pholus is important so I'm a bit stumped there.
The both ways Pluto-Juno conjunction is a very important theme of the relationship, I feel.

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
This could be interesting, if I decipher its meaning, so far I'd say the Draco synastry is a profile of the nodal angle.

What do you think, Ceri?

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posted September 11, 2014 10:35 AM            

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I realized all planets in the tropical synastry which have the same distance between them as the nodal arc between the two are the ones beoming conjunctions in the Draco synastry. For example, us having an arc of 10 degrees between our NN - all planets in tropical synastry being 10 deg apart will actually become our conjunctions in Draco synastry. Am I right??

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c o m p l e t e l y !

And yes.. you could do this with any planet.. (the Solar chart etc.)

Has anyone an answer on WHY the nodes would or could be more important? WHY the DRACO got all the attention?

I've also thought about if it's an aspect instead of a 'meaningless' angle. We have the latter between our NN's (a bit less than 16 deg) but we get a SN/NN synastry angle of 165 deg within 1*, which is a QUINDECILE.

Which ^ ofcourse means that any QUINDECILE-angle in our synastry becomes an opposition in the draco. Well, we have an exact Venus-Venus Quindecile in our tropical, so that becomes an exact Venus/Venus opp. in our draco.

I was already aware of this outstanding configuration in our synastry;

- Venus/Venus quindecile
- NN/SN quindecile

and in natal;

- his Venus quindecile his SN
- my Venus quindecile my NN

AND .. now I finally understand where it's all coming from (thanks to this thread)..

EDIT;

posted September 11, 2014 10:59 AM            

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Originally posted by mir:
c o m p l e t e l y !

And yes.. you could do this with any planet.. (the Solar chart etc.)

Has anyone an answer on WHY the nodes would or could be more important? WHY the DRACO got all the attention?

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I see the NN as a point of aspiration - where you see your highest usefulness and potential being fulfilled. Something that you work towards your whole life, something that makes you feel proud of yourself, and wealthy. Wealth, of course, not as only hard cash and real-estate, but different things for different people...

posted September 11, 2014 11:07 AM            

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Originally posted by mir:

Has anyone an answer on WHY the nodes would or could be more important? WHY the DRACO got all the attention?

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Because the lunar nodes are a convergence of Sun, Moon and Earth and those are the core-symbols in astrology.

It might also have to do with the importance and attention being payed to ecclipses, which of course also represent a very unique merging of the lights with the nodal axis itself.

posted September 11, 2014 11:11 AM            

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Originally posted by libran_dream:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by mir:
[b] So if you align two people's "purpose charts", you see where they find commonalities in, and how they can help each other achieve, the best they can be.

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yes I view it that way, too.
To me the Dracos represent a potential that is already in the person, but it has to be unlocked and might lay buried. If other people dock onto it, they might be able to see this dormant potential in the other and so it gets pulled to the awareness of the person.

this is what happened int he case of my best friend and me at least.#

Her tropical Moon conjunct my Draco Moon (Aries) and my tropical Moon conjunct her Draco Sun (Aquarius).
In fact her husband`s Moon, which is conjunct my own, of course activates her Draco Sun as well.

posted September 11, 2014 11:25 AM            

Oh wait I was too quick. Using minor aspects there is a widish binovile between our SN and NN (1°13)

the angular distance of his NN to my NN is 99°

my SN to his NN is 81° - hence the binovile.

Which reminds me just of the fact that beside the quintiles we do have a lot of 9th harmonic aspects between our charts.

For example
my Venus binovile his ASC (0°29) and my Draco Venus conjunct his Draco DESC (it needed to be the DESC because the binovile happenes between our SN and NN, and not between both NN)

my Pluto is binovile his MOon (0°25) and my Draco Pluto opposes his Draco Moon.

my Saturn is quadranovile his Sun precisely (0°00)
what does that mean for the DRacos now?

nothing really (well my Draco Saturn is roughly biseptile his Draco Sun. lol 1°38)

anyway my Juno is binovile his Sun as well (0°00)
but it does not translate to a Juno-Sun-aspect in Draco.

NBut I think the reason is that this binovile is the angular distance of SN and NN.

Those planets about 100 degrees off each other will be more inclined to form conjunctions.

For example:

his Vertex: 28 Virgo or 178°
my Venus: 6 Cap or 276°

posted September 11, 2014 12:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
so trines with a 4 degree orb (maybe only those in the same phasal angle) should come up as conjunction in Draco-Draco.
Do they?

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Yes, they do! And - an exact trine comes up as a 4 degree conjunction, whereas a 3 degree trine comes up as a 1 degree conjunction!

posted September 11, 2014 12:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Selene:
Yes, they do! And - an exact trine comes up as a 4 degree conjunction, whereas a 3 degree trine comes up as a 1 degree conjunction!

And as we don't have so many trines in our synastry, so there aren't that many conjunctions in draco-draco either.

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yes the orbs are replicated as well, which means that seemingly wide orbed aspects can actually relate to a closer Draco conjunction than exact tropical aspects depending on the distance between the nodal axises.

posted September 11, 2014 12:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

yes the orbs are replicated as well, which means that seemingly wide orbed aspects can actually relate to a closer Draco conjunction than exact tropical aspects depending on the distance between the nodal axises.

I wonder though, does that mean we should only look at conjunction and oppositions in Draco-Draco, too?
What is the basis of a Draco square, in terms of the tropical chart and nodal aspect?

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What makes for an opposition, then? A NN - SN aspect?

posted September 11, 2014 02:44 PM            

Regarding the translation to Draco, I think wider orbs in tropical (with the same phase??) are tightened in Draco, and some tight orbs in tropical (like a close trine) may become a wider conjunction. Which makes us reconsider discounting wider orbs in synastry, I guess
For example, my Moon 14 his Mercury 27 (so an orb of 13, almost a quindecile, but not) becomes a 3 deg opposition (replicating the 10 deg nodal arc).
So I think we need to study each type of arc between nodes ( opp, square, trine, sextile, minors) to determine where the squares come from.

posted September 11, 2014 03:06 PM            

ALso there is a square of 0.00 degrees - exactly exact between his Venus and my Jupiter. And in tropical there is an aspect biquintile of 1.23 degrees between those two.