posted September 14, 2014 06:03 AM            

Getting back to the "magical" number, my magical number being 10, the ultimate frontier of a conjunction (considering the nodes are both in the same sign, their mdp making multiple aspects, I guess this means a node conjunction, because in terms of the nodes, them being in the same sign points to similar lessons/life directions) I find it interesting how all wide conjunctions - with an orb of 6 to 10 - become close to exact conjunctions in Draco synastry.

The important cases are:

his Sun conjunct my Jupiter/Juno (9 to 10) becomes exact in Draco.

my Sun conjunct his ASC (8) becomes Sun/ASC 2

other conjunctions that were 10 in tropical synastry:

his Juno/my Psyche - now 0
his Saturn my Karma now 0
his Union my Moon - now 0
his Vesta my Pluto now 0

This alignment of certain pairs happening with the alignment of the nodes must be very significant, like a theme pertaining to the nodes, somehow the result of the Draco alignment: the Draco alignment probably answers the question: what happens with these two people when they're going in the same direction, when they have the same life path, what are the predictions/the outcome? Something like that.

Once the theme is highlighted, it would be interesting to pay attention to what happens with those pairs in the regular synastry, Composite, Davison, progressed composite and other charts. Chances are the theme will be repeated in other charts.

My theme suggests: mutually finding a partner - the Juno connection (with Juno/Psyche being a very nice aspect, a variation of Juno/Alma)
important fate/karma - Saturn/Karma
devotion, possibly obsession and/or deep sexuality - Vesta/Pluto
intimate union - Moon/Union

Some connections I see with other charts and these themes:

Juno/Alma DW in synastry and many Juno significant contacts (in fact, I'm thinking about a special Juno thread)
my Karma on his SN (near our NN mdp in fact)
a significant Saturnian synastry
composite Saturn conjunct Amor in the 8th trine IC/Jupiter
Moon/Vesta DW combined with Moon/Pluto DW
composite Union conjunct MC
etc.

just at first glance, the theme suggested by the nodal arc is not random, it appears in many aspects

EDIT: Basically, this means we should like to see some pairs in synastry replicating the nodal arc. I wonder if having some pairs EXACTLY replicating the nodal arc should be of an enhanced significance.
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posted September 14, 2014 07:28 AM            

For this, I made pairs out of conjunctions and oppositions.

My perspective (my Draco to his natal, his natal first)

his natal Amor/my Draco ASC - feeling admired, loved
Amor/Pallas my Pallas feels loved lol
Moon/Psyche - a psychic, soulful connection
his Saturn/MC conjunct my Draco Juno/Jupiter/Ceres/Pholus (0) - finding a stable serious partner
his Venus/Juno/my Chiron - feeling healed through love, partnership style
his Sun/my Eros (0) - Eros awekening (to me, this means more than eroticism) - my natal Sun conjuncts my Draco Eros
Cupido/Amor (0) mutual crush lol
Anteros/Mars
Amor/Neptune - mutual idealization, soulmate love
his IC/NN/my Venus conjunction - fated marker, karmic connection
his Lilith/Psyche/my Mercury/Pluto - feeling a strong mental connection, passion
his Venus/my Valentine(0) in love lol
his Juno/my Uranus (ASC ruler)
his Juno/Ceres/my Lust
his Mercury (MC.ASC ruler)/my Vesta - devotion, inflamed by his mind/words
his Jupiter/my MC (1) - protected, encouraged, admired
his Sun/my Neptune (1) - idealization

His perspective

my natal ASC/his Draco Vesta - devoted
my Psyche/his Uranus (5th ruler) (0) - our Psyche theme in the synastry, psychic connectin
my Saturn/his Pluto
my Anteros/his Moon (0) - this goes so well with my Moon in his 11th in synastry, feeling loved
my Sun/Venus opp his Neptune - idealization
my IC/his Venus (2)
my IC/his Juno (3)
my Eros/his Mercury/Jupiter
my Neptune/his Mercury/Jupiter - because his Mercury rules his ASC and MC and his Jupiter his NN/IC, I'd say this connection makes him feel generally appreciated, his personality/life path stimulated, because of all these connections to his Draco Mercury/Jupiter. Also, I think he's a great poet and I encourage him to write, although his self-confidence is pretty low
my Saturn/his Cupido - in love with my Saturn
my DSC/his Cupido - and my DSC lol
my Moon/his Amor - more nice Amor here
my Sun/Venus/his Mars - his masculinity
my Juno/Jupiter/his Mars - his masculinity
my Mars/Pluto/his Saturn/MC

as you can see, Sun/Neptune DW, Venus/IC DW and direct and mixed DW with Amor, Psyche, Juno, Vesta, Moon so the theme suggested by the Draco alignment is also in the individual Draco themes.

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posted September 14, 2014 08:07 AM            

Their Sun/Moon opp (Aqua/Leo) becomes a Sun/Moon conjunction in Cancer.

The other Draco conjunctions reflecting the nodal arc:

Mars/Pluto
Pluto/ASC
Pluto/Vesta the same as mine, strange
Neptune/Lilith
Moon/Karma conj the Nodes
Mars/Pallas (0)
Venus/Uranus (the OOS aspect), now in Taurus
Jupiter/Vertex
Chiron/Vertex (0)
Venus/Vertex
Chiron/Sun
Chiron/Psyche (0)
Karma/MC (0)

posted September 14, 2014 11:44 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

This alignment of certain pairs happening with the alignment of the nodes must be very significant, like a theme pertaining to the nodes, somehow the result of the Draco alignment: the Draco alignment probably answers the question: what happens with these two people when they're going in the same direction, when they have the same life path, what are the predictions/the outcome? Something like that.

Once the theme is highlighted, it would be interesting to pay attention to what happens with those pairs in the regular synastry, Composite, Davison, progressed composite and other charts. Chances are the theme will be repeated in other charts.

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posted September 14, 2014 12:23 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I love your Dracos btw.

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thanks, me too

so in a way we maybe underestimated the Draco-DRaco-connections so far, as they seem to highlight the "shared path-experiences" we might have with each other. Like a nodal DW in terms of the planets that are being connected in Draco-Draco, while Draco-natal might differ in each individual experience, making DW`s maybe even more important than they are anyway.

I think it is also interesting to look at the signs where these conjunctions happen, at least in my case, where they come from a conjunction anyway, but I suppose in all cases it is interesting to see in which sign the aspect is projected.

Sun/ASC is translated from Virgo in Cap, the same element, the sign of my ASC and his intercepted IC - a bit like going home for him, one of the possible meanings of an intercepted 4rh.

Juno/Psyche translates from Aqua to Taurus, it remains within the Fixed cross, and lands in the sign of our duads, my IC, my Draco ASC, his Draco Venus stellium

Sun/Juno is on the Cardinal Aries Point of Cancer 0, the sign of my DSC, his intercepted MC.
Interestingly, Moon/Union is at 0 Sag - it suggests a rather happy, adventurous, outgoing Union. The sign of our Nodes and of his IC.

Karma/Saturn/MC is in Libra, right on our Plutos, so fate here is heavy heavy

Vesta/Pluto is moving from Libra to Cap, another marker of strong Saturnian vibe.

A lot of Cardinal in these conjunctions, with the exception of the happy, fun-loving Sag.

What do you think is the meaning of the signs in Draco, Ceri?

posted September 14, 2014 01:38 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

What do you think is the meaning of the signs in Draco, Ceri?

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same as in tropical, just having that nodal twist.

posted September 14, 2014 02:24 PM            

Draco - Draco
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1.st block
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his Sun conjunct my ALMA (1)
his Sun conjunct my IC (0)
his Moon conjunct my ALMA (0)
his Moon conjunct my IC (2)
his ALMA conjunct my Pluto (2)
his IC conjunct my Pluto (2)
his MC conjunct my ALMA (0) 26 Cancer
his MC conjunct my IC (1)

his Sun opposite my Pluto (3)
his Moon opposite my Pluto (1)

so his Sun/Moon/MC/(ALMA) to my ALMA/IC-Pluto

2nd block
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his Saturn conjunct my Venus (0) 25 Aries
his Vertex conjunct my Venus (0)
his DESC conjunct my Venus (2)
his POF opposite my Venus (0)

3rd block
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his Chiron opposite my Moon (1)
his Chiron conjunct my CUPIDO (1)
his LUST conjunct my Moon (1)

(oh he has a Lust-Chiron-opposition never even noticed before. lol)

4th block
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his mean LILITH conjunct my Sun (0)
his mean LILITH conjunct my Mercury (1)

5th block
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his PALLAS opposite my Mars (2)
his PALLAS opposite my AMOR (0)
his PALLS conjunct my DESC (3)
his PSYCHE opposite my Mars (1)
his PSYCHE opposite my AMOR (1)
his PSYCHE conjunct my DESC (3)

6th block
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his VESTA opposite my PALLAS (2)
his UNION conjunct my PALLAS (0)

7th block
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his PHOLUS opposite my VESTA (0)
his DESC conjunct my VESTA (2)

8th block
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his EROS conjunct my KARMA (1)
his Mars opposite my KARMA (3)
his Jupiter oppospite my KARMA (2)
his AMOR opposite my KARMA (1)

9th block
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his VALENTINE conjunct my true BML (0) 18 Gemini
his Uranus conjunct my true BML (3)

10th block
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his Pluto conjunct my POF (1)
his Pluto opposite my PRIAPUS (0)

11th block
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his PRIAPUS opposite my Neptune (0)
his PRIAPUS oppospite my LUST (1)
his PRIAPUS conjunct my DESC (2)
his true LILITH conjunct my Neptune (2)
his true LILITH conjunct my Mars (3)
his true LILITH conjunct my LUST (0)
his true LILITH conjunct my ASC 0°00! 26 Pisces

also
his CERES conjunct my Saturn (1)
his Venus opposite my Uranus (3)

so the shared degrees are:

26 Cancer MC-ALMA
25 Aries Saturn-Venus
18 Gemini VALENTINE - true LILITH
26 Pisces true LILITH - ASC

MC-ALMA
A Violent Storm in A Canyon Filled With Expensive Homes

Saturn-Venus
A Man Possessed Of More Gifts Than He Can Hold

VALENTINE - true LILITH
A Large Archaic Volume Reveals A Traditional Wisdom

posted September 14, 2014 02:34 PM            

(1) his Sun/Moon/MC/ALMA to my ALMA/IC/Pluto

(2) his Saturn/Vx/DESC to my Venus

(3) his Chiron/LUST to my Moon

(4) his mean LILITH to my Sun/Mercury

(5) his PALLAS/PSYCHE to my Mars/AMOR / DESC

(6) his VESTA/UNION to my PALLAS

(7) his PHOLUS/DESC to my VESTA

(8) his EROS/Mars/Jupiter/AMOR to my KARMA

(9) his VALENTINE/URanus to my true LILITH

(10) his Pluto to my POF/PRIAPUS

(11) his PRIAPUS/true LILITH to my Neptune/LUST/DESC/(Mars)

(12) his CERES to my Saturn

posted September 14, 2014 02:44 PM            

Sun/IC
Moon/ALMA
MC/ALMA

Saturn/Venus
VERTEX/Venus

mean LILITH /Sun

UNION /PALLAS

VALENTINE/true LILITH

true LILITH/LUST
true LILITH /ASC

posted September 14, 2014 03:07 PM            

"Sun/IC"

his Sun:
Sag 9th - Cancer 5th

my IC:
Aries 4th - Cancer 8th

"Moon/ALMA"

his Moon and MC
Sag 10th - Cancer 5th

my ALMA
Aries 4th - Cancer 8th

"Saturn/Venus
VERTEX/Venus"

his Saturn:
Virgo 7th (cusp) - Aries 1st (intercept)

my Venus:
Cap 1st - Aries 4th

"mean LILITH /Sun"

his LILITH
Virgo 6th - Aries 1st (interc.)

my Sun
Sag 1st - Aries 4th

"UNION /PALLAS"

his UNION
Libra 7th (intercepted) - Taurus 2nd

my PALLAS
Aquarius 2nd - Taurus 6th

"VALENTINE/true LILITH"
his VALENTINE
Scorpio 8th - Gemini 3rd

my true LILITH
Aquarius 3rd - Gemini 7th

"true LILITH/LUST
true LILITH /ASC"

his LILITH
Leo 6th - Pisces 1st

my ASC/Neptune-LUST
Sag 1st - Pisces 3rd (inercepted)

posted September 15, 2014 01:31 AM            

his Dr ATROPOS on 9 Aquarius opposite my Dr Chiron on 9 Leo

his Dr Chiron on 8 Sagittarius opposite my Dr ATROPOS on 9 Gemini

(brings to mind the close Chiron-Atropos-conjunction in composite, doesn´t it?)

another thing we have is his Dr APHRODITE conjunct my Dr Venus by 2 degrees

posted September 15, 2014 05:24 AM            

his ASC/ my ASC (1)
his ASC/ my Mars (0)
his ASC / my Lust

his IC /my Pholus
his IC / my Ceres
his IC / my Jupiter

his Sun/my Pholut
his Sun/ my Ceres

his moon / my Pholus
his Moon/My Ceres
his Moon / my Jupiter

his Mercury/ my Moon
his Mercury/ my Cupido (0) 9 Sag
his Mercury/ my Atropos (0)

his Venus/ my Pluto
his Venus / my MC
his Venus/ my Alma

his Saturn / my DESC (0) 26 Virgo
his Saturn/ my Mars
his Saturn/my Neptune
his Saturn/my Lust

his Neptune/ my Lilith

his Pluto/ my Vesta (0)
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his Vertex / my DESC
his Avx/ my Mrs
his Avx/ my Neptune
his Avx/ my Lust

his Chiron / my Saturn
his Chiron / my Eros
his Chiron/ my Avx

his Pholus / my ASC
his Pholus / my Mars
his Pholus / my Alma

his POF / my ASC (0) 26 Pisces
his POF / my Mars
his POF / my Neptune
his POF/ my Lust

his Ceres / my Krma

his Juno / my IC
his Juno / my Alma

his Karma/ my Karma

his Alma/ my Jupiter
his Alma / my Juno

his Valentine/ my POF
his Valentine/ my Priapus (0)19 Scorpio

his Lust / my Saturn 6 Scorpio

his Atropos / my Juno

his Adonis/ my Venus
his Adonis / my Vesta

his Aphrodite / my DESC
his aphrodite / my Mars
his aphrodite/ my Lust

posted September 15, 2014 05:51 AM            

my ASC / his Chiron
my DESC / his Lust

my IC/ his Jupiter
my IC / his Amor
my MC / his Eros

my Venus / his Mercury

my mars / his Chiron
my Mars/ his Lust

my Saturn / his Neptune
my Saturn / his Cupido

my Uranus / his Karma (0)

my Neptune / his Chiron
my Neptune / his Cupido

my Pluto / his Mars (0)
my Pluto / his Jupiter
my Pluto / his Amor
my Pluto / his Eros

my NN / his Chiron
my SN / his Lust

my Vertex / his Neptune
my Vertex / his Cupido

my Chiron / his DESC
my Chiron / his Pholus

my POF / his Sun
my POF / his Moon
my POF / his IC

my Karma/ his Valentine

my Alma / his Mars
my Alma/ his Jupiter
my Alma / his Amor
my Alma / his Eros

my Amor / his Vesta (0)

my Lust / his Chiron
my Lust / his Lust

my Eros / his Neptune
my Eros / his Cupido (0) 20 Cancer

my Psyche / his Mars (0)

my Lilith / his Juno

my Priapus / his Moon
my Priapus / his Alma

posted September 15, 2014 10:11 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Narrowing it down to exact conjunctions only, these are the highlights:

Sun/IC
Moon/ALMA
MC/ALMA

Saturn/Venus
VERTEX/Venus

mean LILITH /Sun

UNION /PALLAS

VALENTINE/true LILITH

true LILITH/LUST
true LILITH /ASC

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Yes, I think we should focus on close conjunctions/opp in Draco and now since we discovered the nodal angle, perhaps the actual focus should be on the exact aspects.

wow...I think your aspects suggest finding a lost love from the past. It's very soulmatey, apart from that Lilith which is surprisingly (or maybe not for you lol) very strong and I'm not sure yet what it could bring. It's interesting how the main players translate into Cancer and the Fixed cross, a very intimate placement suggesting "soul groups" and "family" and "coming home"

Sun/IC
Moon/ALMA
MC/ALMA
all three point to soulmate

Saturn/Venus
VERTEX/Venus
a karmic love, perhaps from the past

UNION /PALLAS
a psychic and mental union

mean LILITH /Sun
VALENTINE/true LILITH
true LILITH/LUST
true LILITH /ASC
Lilith could mean so many things...perhaps something forbidden or just true passion?

posted July 03, 2015 02:30 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
For sure.
Even in the case of my friends and family members, the most loving and "soulmate" type of unions were loaded with strong, tight Draco aspects, both in Draco-Draco synastry as well as Draco-Natal.

I noticed something interesting though; those relationships that tend to go on for longer and are more bonded tend to have a lot of Draco-Natal connections than the ones who mostly just have Draco-Draco. Even in my own case with friends/those whom I had feelings towards.
With individuals who I shared more Draco-Draco and little to no Draco-Natal connections, we just drifted apart overtime. But the lessons we learned from our interaction were pretty significant.

I guess its because the Natal is the current reality, the physical realm, so connections from Draco-Natal will be like an "anchoring" of sorts, allowing it to manifest and take form on the physical level. Its like combining spirit/soul/sub-conscious (Draco) with the 3D, the now, the physical (Tropical) - and boy does it hit you DEEP! lol

So maybe its good to have a balance of both Draco-Draco and Draco-Natal... Just a thought.

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I agree, draco-natal aspects are more longterm.

posted July 03, 2015 02:35 PM            

I've always been pretty floored by our dSUN conjunct dSUN, however. Further, that my dMOON is conjunct his SUN (1º).

posted August 20, 2015 04:12 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I've noticed there is a significant number of close conjunctions in Draco -to -Draco synastries of established couples.

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To add to your databank

My husband and I have in draconic:

His Saturn 21'59" Aries
My Neptune 22'43' Aries

His Neptune 14'07" Pisces
My Uranus 16'35" Pisces

His moon 19'41" Aquarius
My Pluto 21'41" Aquarius

His MC 26'38" Cancer
My moon 28'11" Cancer

His Vesta 4'25" Virgo
My Chiron 3'35" Virgo

quote:

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
While I usually analyze natal to Draco synastries and consider those aspects (especially if mutual) to be the strongest indicators of a mutual (long-term) life path, long-terms couples in my database have a significant number of close conjunctions in their Draco synastry, compared to other types of relationships (short-term, one-sided etc.) By close, I usually notice 0-1 maybe 2 deg. conjunctions.

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So one CAN say, they are meaningful on their own, regardless of whether or not they hook into the natals?

quote:

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I usually take a look at this comparison to see the possible theme(s) of the relationship and how strong it may become.

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In our case, Saturn-Neptune is prominent across all charts. Which is meaningful for me since I am a Cap sun, Pisces moon.

Meanwhile his Saturn and Neptune each aspect two other planets within one degree, so they stand out in his chart, too.

posted August 20, 2015 08:33 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
First of all, this could mean all Draco synastric conjunctions are more or less random, at least at first glance. They do not reflect the connection in the synastry - meaning the key ingredient of Draco conjunctions is the arc between the nodes, no matter how this arc is, and no matter the aspects within that synastry. This distance becomes paramount in order to obtain Draco conjunctions. In other words, the more planets you have in your synastry replicating the arc of your nodes, the more conjunctions you will have in Draco.

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So, my husband's NN is only 4 degrees from mine. So wherever our planets 4 to 6 degrees apart in tropical synastry, widely conjunct, they become tighter conjunctions in draco-to-draco. Easy peasy

My trPluto 11 Libra, his trMoon 5 Libra
6 orb

posted August 20, 2015 09:21 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
this is what happened int he case of my best friend and me at least.#

Her tropical Moon conjunct my Draco Moon (Aries) and my tropical Moon conjunct her Draco Sun (Aquarius).
In fact her husband`s Moon, which is conjunct my own, of course activates her Draco Sun as well.

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As you know this couple is almost identical to myself and my ex-soulmate, just two days' difference for each birthday. Yet your best friend's husband's Aqua moon is on her drSun...while my Pisces moon is way off his drSun.

I just think it's an interesting case study. Two couples very similar astrologically, both establishing a very tight bond, yet one couple is happily married and the other couple parted as enemies.

[Side note, the song Fire Burns just came to mind as an athem for that ending, how I felt about it at the time , so how fitting that Nicki Minaj's MC in Scorpio is conjunct our composite NN-Venus. And tr Pluto was on pr comp Venus & my natal Venus at the time.]

Anyway, my draco synastry with him is not too spectacular. At least not without his birth time.

But as for draco-to-draco:

His Pluto-Juno-Mars, my IC (0-2)
His Jupiter, my Mars (0) on my tropical IC
His Vesta, my Saturn (2) on my tropical Venus-Neptune MP

My drChiron 3 Virgo
His Mercury 2 Pisces

No big deal really.