posted September 02, 2014 09:40 AM            

I also notice astrobodies on cusps (0 to 1)

I usually take a look at this comparison to see the possible theme(s) of the relationship and how strong it may become.

I think these conjunctions show ALIGNMENT of destinies, just like the nodal axes are aligned. So, to translate it: when the nodal axes are aligned, so are the planets/significant asteroids, if they are to share a common destiny (live together).

Can you confirm that there's a difference between your important relationships vs. failed/short-term ones? Let's look at 3 deg. orb. maybe. (NOTE: asteroids included).

I also noticed something else: Chiron is very strong in long-term Draco synastries. I'm not sure what it means yet. Does anyone have an insight on this?

To give 3 examples of significant Draco synastries when it comes to close conjunctions:

Joanne/Paul Newman

Chiron/ASC (1)
Chiron/Saturn (1)
Mars/Karma/ASC (2)
Karma/Juno (2)
Ceres/Alma (0)
Vertex/neptune/Chiron (1)
Saturn/Union/Vesta (2)
Alma/vertex/Priapus (0)
Juno/Neptune (3)
Sun/MC (2)
Psyche/Valentine/Lust (0)

her Cupido on his 5th (0)
her Venus on his 6th (0)
his Lilith on her 3rd (1)
her Union on his 2nd (0)
his Moon/Amor/Valentine on her 11th (2)

My parents:

Pluto/ASC (2)
Karma/MC/Priapus (0)
Neptune/Lilith (3)
Mars/Pallas (0)
Venus/Uranus (3)
Alma/Lilith/DSC (2)
Pluto/Sun stellium (3)
Vertex/Jupiter (2)
Chiron/Vertex (0)
Chiron/Venus (2)
Chiron/Psyche (0)
Chiron/Sun (2)

6 astrobodies on cusps

My friends (married 15 years, together 25)

Saturn/DSC (2)
Cupido/Cupido (0)
Pallas/Priapus (1)
Mars/Juno (0)
Juno/Sun (0)
Mercury/Eros/Ceres (2)
Karma/Psyche/IC (0)
Saturn/Eros (0)
Moon/Jupiter (0)
Jupiter/Vertex (0)

etc.

9 astrobodies on cusps

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posted September 02, 2014 10:06 AM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Can you confirm that there's a difference between your important relationships vs. failed/short-term ones? Let's look at 3 deg. orb. maybe. (NOTE: asteroids included).

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For sure.
Even in the case of my friends and family members, the most loving and "soulmate" type of unions were loaded with strong, tight Draco aspects, both in Draco-Draco synastry as well as Draco-Natal.

I noticed something interesting though; those relationships that tend to go on for longer and are more bonded tend to have a lot of Draco-Natal connections than the ones who mostly just have Draco-Draco. Even in my own case with friends/those whom I had feelings towards.
With individuals who I shared more Draco-Draco and little to no Draco-Natal connections, we just drifted apart overtime. But the lessons we learned from our interaction were pretty significant.

I guess its because the Natal is the current reality, the physical realm, so connections from Draco-Natal will be like an "anchoring" of sorts, allowing it to manifest and take form on the physical level. Its like combining spirit/soul/sub-conscious (Draco) with the 3D, the now, the physical (Tropical) - and boy does it hit you DEEP! lol

posted September 02, 2014 10:08 AM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Interesting. You were referring to Chiron in general? I noticed Chiron in DRACO charts specifically, in Draco synastry, even if they don't have strong Chiron contacts in tropical synastry or composite.

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posted September 02, 2014 10:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
For sure.
Even in the case of my friends and family members, the most loving and "soulmate" type of unions were loaded with strong, tight Draco aspects, both in Draco-Draco synastry as well as Draco-Natal.

I noticed something interesting though; those relationships that tend to go on for longer and are more bonded tend to have a lot of Draco-Natal connections than the ones who mostly just have Draco-Draco. Even in my own case with friends/those whom I had feelings towards.
With individuals who I shared more Draco-Draco and little to no Draco-Natal connections, we just drifted apart overtime. But the lessons we learned from our interaction were pretty significant.

I guess its because the Natal is the current reality, the physical realm, so connections from Draco-Natal will be like an "anchoring" of sorts, allowing it to manifest and take form on the physical level. Its like combining spirit/soul/sub-conscious (Draco) with the 3D, the now, the physical (Tropical) - and boy does it hit you DEEP! lol

So maybe its good to have a balance of both Draco-Draco and Draco-Natal... Just a thought.

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I agree with this. I should have mentioned it in the first place: all these couples I'm talking about already have strong Draco/natal synastries and, of course, strong tropical synastries. These are the ones I check first, only after this comparison I look at Draco/Draco - I think Draco/Draco is only added (as theme or value) to Draco/natal and tropical.

I'll get back with additional famous examples.

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posted September 02, 2014 12:12 PM            

Also, some years ago I noticed that Mr Sag`s Draco Chiron is on 8 Sagittarius, conjunct my tropical ASC (1), Neptune-NN (1-2), of course also Atlantis exact, Lust, Angel, Poseidon, Wisdom, Polyhymnia and the likes.
Oh and Mars (3).
Plus opposing my Draco Moon (1).

I find that puzzling, I would have expected it to be MY Chiron, as he is getting under my skin (which I feel if someone touches my Chiron, leaving me without second skin, vulnerable and defenceless).

posted September 02, 2014 01:04 PM            

Moon conjunct Atlantis 1
Mars conjunct Chiron 3
Uranus conjunct Jupiter 1
Amor conjunct BML 1
DNA conjunct Atlantis 1
DSC conjunct Amor exact
Eros conjunct A/vertex exact
Sun conjunct Valentine 2
Sun conjunct Juno 2
Vertex conjunct Moon 2

Actually not so much, but there are more oppositions than conjunctions though. Tropical-draco synastry is so much more in line - lots of close and important conjunctions/oppositions.

posted September 02, 2014 01:09 PM            

Moon conjunct IC 1
Mercury conjunct ASC 1
Saturn conjunct Pluto exact
Uranus conjunct Pluto exact
Neptune conjunct Juno exact
Neptune conjunct Valentine exact
Pluto conjunct Amor exact
Vertex conjunct Mars exact
Karma conjunct DNA exact
Psyche conjunct Mercury 1
Psyche conjunct Venus exact
Amor conjunct BML 1
Destinn conjunct Moon exact
Destinn conjunct Eros exact
MC conjunct DNA exact

posted September 02, 2014 02:07 PM            

Mr Sag and me
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his Draco - my Draco

DESC - Venus (1)

BML - ASC on 26 Pisces exact
"A man knocks at the door of a house in the middle of the night at the very moment when an earthquake shakes the ground and uproots the trees.""

Psyche - DESC (3)
Priapus - DESC (2)

MC - IC (2)
IC - Pluto (1)
MC - Alma exact
Sun-IC (1)
Moon - IC (2)

Saturn - Venus on 25 Aries exact
"A royal personage presents a sceptre to a man who kneels down before him. In the sky above them, a big sun sends its beams to a smaller sun."

Vertex - Venus (1)
Alma - Pluto (3)
Mercury - Juno (2)
mean Lilith - Sun and Mercury (1)
Chiron - Cupido (1)
Ceres - Saturn (1)

Valentine - BML on 18 Gemini exact
"A wretched man courageously leaves his beautiful mansion behind him. His wife, in a lavish dress, follows him with deep regret and looks back at their former abode."

Eros - Karma (1)
Lust - Moon (2)
BML - Mars (2)
BML - Neptune (2)
BML - Lust (1)
Aphrodite - Venus (2)
Alma - Aphrodite (1)

posted September 02, 2014 02:22 PM            

IC/Mercury exact
Moon/Eros (3)
Venus / DESC (1) (on his tropical Sun!)
Mars/IC exact (on her tropial Moon)
Jupiter/DESC exact
Saturn/Pluto (3)
Neptune / Venus (2)
Neptune / Mars (2)
(on his tr Mars and her tr Saturn)
Pluto / Uranus (2)
Ceres / Sun (1)
Juno / Psyche (1)
Lust / MC (1)

Wow, my Dad has his Draco Chiron exactly on Mr Sag`s .

posted September 02, 2014 02:30 PM            

ASC - Pluto exact
MC - Moon (2)
MC - Pallas exact
Moon - Venus exact (on his Pluto. lol)
Mars - Sun 3)
Mars - SAturn (2)
Mars - MC (1)
Saturn - Juno (2)
Vesta - Amor (1)
Psyche - Karma (2)
Lust - Uranus (3)

posted September 02, 2014 02:51 PM            

my Antivertex conjunct his first name asteroid 0
his asteroid of my surname conjunct my DSC 1
my asteroid of his first name conjunct his Chiron 1
my Angel conjunct his asteroid of my first name 2
my first name asteroid conjunct his Pluto-Juno 3

posted September 02, 2014 03:01 PM            

Her Eros - his Saturn (0)
Her Eros - his Neptune (1)
His Psyche - her Sun (1)

His Karma - her Chiron (3)
His Eros - her Valentine (2)
his Eros - her Pholus (0)

That's it! Not many conjunctions but they have tons of close oppositions (0-1), like 4 times this list, it boggles the mind.

posted September 02, 2014 03:16 PM            

Sun/Mercury - IC (2)
Mars - ASC (1)
Mars - MC (2)
Vertex - MC (0)
Chiron - Saturn/Neptune midpoint(3)
Amor - Sun/Mercury (0)
Destinn - Moon (2)
Karma - Moon (0)
Union - Alma (1)
Union - Valentine (0)
Valentine - Destinn (0)
Eros - Uranus (0)
Eros - Saturn (2)

My real life cases are married couples who haven't been married long but if you want I'll check them too.

posted September 02, 2014 04:04 PM            

This data would help to search for common themes. Would quantity also matter? To make this a viable investigation, one would need to specify which asteroids should be used because more conjunctions could be found if one looked hard enough.

I am listing conjunctions for my son and his possible wife to be and wonder if they have a sufficient number or quality.

Moon/ Saturn (0) DW
Amor + Juno + Lust / Cupid (0 to 1)
Valentine / Moon + Alma (1)
Vesta / Mercury (1)
Vesta / Lust (2)
Karma / Vesta + Valetine (0)
Lilith / Pholus (1)
Lilith / NN (2)

Her Mercury on his 11th
Her Pluto + Union on his 2nd
Her Moon on his 3rd
His Venus on her 3rd

posted September 02, 2014 04:12 PM            

Moon conjunct Spirit exact
Venus conjunct Moon exact
Venus conjunct Eros 1
Uranus conjunct Mars 3
Antivertex conjunct Venus 1
Karma conjunct ASC exact
Eros conjunct Uranus 1
Valentine conjunct Sun 2
Valentine conjunct Venus 2
Destinn conjunct ASC exact

posted September 02, 2014 04:30 PM            

His Venus conjunct my DSC 2
His Mars conjunct my Vertex 2
Uranus conjunct Spirit exact
Neptune conjunct Uranus exact
Juno conjunct Union 2
Union conjunct Sun exact
Spirit conjunct Spirit 1
Destinn conjunct Destinn 1
DSC conjunct Sun 3
DSC conjunct Mercury 2
DSC conjunct Venus 1
MC conjunct Spirit 1

posted September 02, 2014 05:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
he is getting under my skin (which I feel if someone touches my Chiron, leaving me without second skin, vulnerable and defenceless).

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Lovely description.

posted September 02, 2014 05:45 PM            

Astro Keen.. do they really have a Moon conjunct Saturn (0) DW in Draco synastry? I remember they do have a Moon/Saturn theme in their tropical synastry, were they conjunct?

Oh, yes, the oppositions are another form of alignment and we can add them to the conjunctions. I was impressed, however, with these close conjunctions in Draco for long-term couples, they are usually very tight.

posted September 02, 2014 06:49 PM            

Is there a clear thinker in the room?

Dawn wrote on her INNNER WHEEL site this;

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Remember that a draconic chart is the natal chart from the point of view of the Nodes. Without nodal contacts or actual natal chart dynamics, draconic to draconic positions have nothing to hold them–water with no glass to carry it in.

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This was her reply on a question involving a draco-draco DW synastry conjunction (so purely draco planets) ...