posted September 11, 2014 03:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Selene:
I'm not sure that squares come from one set of aspects. For example - our nodes are in a 4 degree trine. Lets take his Venus, for example. It quincunxes my Moon, my Mercury and my Venus, with Venus being the tightest one. However, in Draco there is a Venus-Moon square!!! But Mercury - a semisextile, with Venus - having no aspect at all.

ALso there is a square of 0.00 degrees - exactly exact between his Venus and my Jupiter. And in tropical there is an aspect biquintile of 1.23 degrees between those two.

So basically i have no idea what makes a square.

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maybe it is coincidence

but

12 (quinkunx harmonic)
divided
by 3 (trine harmonic)

results into

4 (square harmonic)

posted September 11, 2014 03:28 PM            

(no I have no clue if that makes sense, but in my synastry we have a partile square of my Venus to his Sun

in tropical my Venus is 9 degree off a conjunction.

our nodal angle is 99°

in our case if I substract the Venus-Sun angle from the nodal angle, I end up with 90°

which is the reverse operation like I did in your chart.

Either this was just a coincidence, or the reverse direction must have something to do with a different phasal angle. I don´t know., But could be coincidence

well for Jude and me we have a NN-NN angle of 36° (a decile - do I need to check the 10th harmonic. lol?)

In DRaco synastry our Jupiters are exactly square.
In tropical the angular distance is 55°

In this case if we add the NN-angle to the Jupiter-angle, it adds up to 90°.

But why adding it now?

I am confused.

There IS some relatedness, but I am not sure how. )

also, my Dr ASC is square his Dr Chiron exact

tropically there is a distance of 125°
Now, substracting 36° (the nodal angle) = 90°

But why substracting it now?

posted September 11, 2014 03:29 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Lee, so if I have NN opposite NN by 4 deg with someone, 4th harmonic synastry and composite would say something about the nature of the relationship?

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Mostly the 2nd harmonic, I guess...but this means the 4th is involved too...what do you think, Ceri?

I think 2 must be your magical number Cappy: all your opps would become conjunctions.

posted September 11, 2014 03:32 PM            

But of course the 4th harm would come up as oppositions in 2nd harmonic chart.

In my case, there is also a rleation to the 18th harmonic, which are oppositions in the 9th harmonic chart.

posted September 11, 2014 06:59 PM            

We all know now that if the NN-NN synastry angle is repeated between 2 planets in synastry, we will get a draco-draco conjunction.

So, let’s take Ceri’s & Jude’s example of 36 between their NN’s.

Any synastry angle of 36 deg becomes a draco-draco conjunction.

BUT…. ANY 36 deg draco-draco angle will be(come) a Conjunction in synastry!

So.. .. what if there’s a draco-draco angle of 90 degree? Well, then we have to substract 36 of 90… (to get the synastry angle of 54/55) …

do u feel it?

EDIT;
hm.. I do miss something I see ^ , looking at the other example of that Chiron/Mars square..

well, I guess we can at least be sure of being it a tropical angle of 54 OR 125 when finding a draco-draco square when there's an angle of 36 between both NN's.

It must indeed have something to do with the phases...

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Mr Sag has NN on 1° virgo, 151°, and consequently every quinkunx in synastry becomes a conjunction between his Draco and my tropical chart (I suppose though the phasal angle is of importance as well, if it is a waxing or waning quinkunx)

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Well, in our case his NN has a 61 degree (sextile) angle to 0-aries.
But our Venus/Moon (my Moon) sextile in synastry doesn't become a natal-draco conjunction... but it does become a pretty tight trine within 1* > his draco Venus trine my tropical Moon.

But our Venus/Mars sextile (my Venus) DOES become a conjunction; his draco Mars conjunct my tropical Venus by 0'10 only. And so our Sun/Desc sextile by 0'43.

posted September 12, 2014 05:04 AM            

yes it is the phase.

in mr Sag`s case only quinkunxes with 151° (waxing) from my tropical perspective and waning from his (as we substract the nodal angle from other planets to arrive at the Draco) will result in this Draco-tropical alignment.

for example:

my tropical ISIS 8 Capricorn
plus 151°

= 9° Gemini - his tropical Isis

thus his Draco Isis, which is 9° Gemini minus a quinkunx minus 1°, ends up being on 8° Capricorn, and therefore aligns with my Isis-osiris-Venus there.

Same happens with his Siva and my Parvati

my tropical parvati 28 Leo
his tropical Siva 27 Capricorn

posted September 12, 2014 09:00 AM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
But it looks like the orb between the nodes it's like a magical number for the couple when it comes to their common path, like an harmonic. Which means that harmonic should be like an esoteric key for them, like the 9th for you, Ceri.

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posted September 12, 2014 11:21 AM            

So,...

My NN- 0-aries angle is 45 deg. (semi-square);

My Moon is exactly semi-square his Sun, so that becomes a draco-natal Sun/Moon conjunction by 0,5.

Well, at least it ^ gives birth to another light on our semi-square of which I Always thought.. well, why, how, what's it doing there??

And HIS NN - 0-Aries angle is 61 (sextile);

Which ofcourse produces that exact draco/natal Venus/Mars conjunction because of our tropical V/M sextile.

Well, as nice as it all sounds ^... I do not really catch its significance now I'm aware of the underlying geometry.

posted September 12, 2014 11:57 AM            

So -

Degrees from my NN to 0Aries - 56
Degrees from his NN to 0Aries - 69

My draco Saturn 14'40 Pisces
His natal Venus 14'41 Pisces

So the distance from my natal Saturn to my draco Saturn is 56 degrees. Which, ofcourse, in tropical serves as a wide 4 degree sextile from my Saturn to his Venus. I guess it has some influence then, despite the wide orb!!!

So what does it say about our interaction then? Does he person with a natal planet feels this exact conjunction from other persons draco - as if other persons karmic influence on him ?

My draco Pluto 12'14 Capricorn
His tropical Jupiter 11'11 Capricorn

A 5 degree sextile between these planets in tropical. Again significant, because it also coincides with my own Neptune AND our composite Sun! Seems a very important degree for us.

His draco Venus 5'43 Capricorn
My tropical Uranus 5'56 Capricorn

From his Venus to my Uranus - 69 degrees. Shall we call it - his Karmic path number?

I wonder than, what makes for a draco - natal opposition?

His draco Mercury 13'13 Aqua
My tropical Moon 13'21 Leo

The distance from his tropical Mercury to my tropical Moon is 101 degrees, roughly something significant. I don't get it. I cannot even get this number adding/substracting something from above.

His draco Sun 26'59 Capricorn
My tropical Chiron 26'47 Cancer

Again nothing with numbers - 111 degrees. Nothing worth mentioning.

posted September 12, 2014 01:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Interesting theory.
My NN and his NN are exactly 98' apart which is a tri-unidecile.

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oh thanks for doing my work for me. Was wondering if it was some minor aspect we have between our NN`s.

How did I not see it?
The tri-undecile would be 99°

Our NN-NN-angle is exactly, wait: 98°48, so only 12 minutes of the exact tri-undeceile, I think that might still work,

posted September 12, 2014 01:05 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:

Well, as nice as it all sounds ^... I do not really catch its significance now I'm aware of the underlying geometry.

I'm waaay more amazed by the geometry of our draco-draco Venus/Venus opposite.

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The significance to me is that it brings the nodal symbolism to the other planets, and it makes sense to me that this is dependent on the very own nodal angle.
I do think though that it might be more significant to the Draco-person, at least in the sense that they sense some sort of "purpose" in the connection (because like a conjunction to their NN itself, it incites them into their growth and personal development).

posted September 12, 2014 01:08 PM            

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I wonder than, what makes for a draco - natal opposition?

His draco Mercury 13'13 Aqua
My tropical Moon 13'21 Leo

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posted September 12, 2014 01:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Selene:

Whats up? So conjunctions are more valuable than oppositions?

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No they aren`t.
It is just that we use the NORTH Node as starting point and conjunctions in the Draco relate to a North-Node-character most probably.

While oppositions in this chart would become conjunctions in a SOUTH Node Draco chart (calculating from the South Node).
So it could be that those are more related to South node character.

On the other hand thought, oppositions always serve as reflection-tool (like the full Moon becomes visible only through its opposition to the Sun).

posted September 12, 2014 01:11 PM            

same thinking here!

And yes, we also share the Sun-Sun-conjunction.
I think we might also share the Sun-Moon-interconnection, though if I remember it right, Lav`s is technically out of orb (11 degrees or something like that) and ours is appr. 2 degrees.

also in both cases it is the guy having Sun and Moon in the same sign, in the case of Mr Sag even tightly conjunct and on MC.

posted September 12, 2014 01:12 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:
Wow Ceri and Lav... didn't you both also have a Sun/Sun conjunction in common with your SO? Interesting...

Selene, I guess that's the effect of the SN.
His SN to 0-aries degree must be the same as the synastry Mercury/Moon angle... ?

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posted September 12, 2014 03:19 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Thanks. How about we make a thread about our magical numbers?

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What are you waiting for?

posted September 12, 2014 03:19 PM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Mir,

same thinking here!

And yes, we also share the Sun-Sun-conjunction.
I think we might also share the Sun-Moon-interconnection, though if I remember it right, Lav`s is technically out of orb (11 degrees or something like that) and ours is appr. 2 degrees.

also in both cases it is the guy having Sun and Moon in the same sign, in the case of Mr Sag even tightly conjunct and on MC.

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Correct lol.

posted September 12, 2014 03:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
So might it be that the Draco-Tropical comparision is due to the onesided repeated nodal angle of only one person, and the Draco-Draco aligned with the synastric nodal angle between both nodes?

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Have you figured this out? Is it like "how the tropical is aligned with the Draco's path", as in everything in the synastry (Draco to natal) is mostly about the Draco's path?

posted September 12, 2014 03:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Correct lol.

We also share a Mercury-Moon conjunction, though ours is again a bit wide (5') and a Psyche Psyche conjunction (0) if I remeber correctly.

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yeah, us, too.

posted September 12, 2014 03:26 PM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
"Triundecile (98º12')
The Triundecile, may be considered the link between the desire for change of the Square and the Biseptiles necessity for decision. Again, it is the realisation of the potential for actualistion of change which can be either stressful or purposeful. "

Seems I was wrong, our triundecile is 0°30

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posted September 12, 2014 03:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
hmm, selene, your trine could technically also be a 240° aspect, if we substract 150°, the result is 90°

(no I have no clue if that makes sense, but in my synastry we have a partile square of my Venus to his Sun

in tropical my Venus is 9 degree off a conjunction.

our nodal angle is 99°

in our case if I substract the Venus-Sun angle from the nodal angle, I end up with 90°

which is the reverse operation like I did in your chart.

Either this was just a coincidence, or the reverse direction must have something to do with a different phasal angle. I don´t know., But could be coincidence

well for Jude and me we have a NN-NN angle of 36° (a decile - do I need to check the 10th harmonic. lol?)

In DRaco synastry our Jupiters are exactly square.
In tropical the angular distance is 55°

In this case if we add the NN-angle to the Jupiter-angle, it adds up to 90°.

But why adding it now?

I am confused.

There IS some relatedness, but I am not sure how. )

also, my Dr ASC is square his Dr Chiron exact

tropically there is a distance of 125°
Now, substracting 36° (the nodal angle) = 90°

But why substracting it now?

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well for Jude and me we have a NN-NN angle of 36° (a decile - do I need to check the 10th harmonic. lol?)

Wouldn't you rather consider the 5th harmonic for the decile?

In DRaco synastry our Jupiters are exactly square.
In tropical the angular distance is 55°

In this case if we add the NN-angle to the Jupiter-angle, it adds up to 90°.

But why adding it now?

Could it be:: applying to 0 Aries, separating from 0 Aries (aspect before and after Aries)?

posted September 12, 2014 03:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

The significance to me is that it brings the nodal symbolism to the other planets, and it makes sense to me that this is dependent on the very own nodal angle.
I do think though that it might be more significant to the Draco-person, at least in the sense that they sense some sort of "purpose" in the connection (because like a conjunction to their NN itself, it incites them into their growth and personal development).

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I was thinking along the same lines. Mir, from his perspective (the Draco person) you have a Venus/Mars conjunction. This is how he feels the connection between you two when it comes to his Draco life path. Of course, in turn, you feel it too, but rather as a reflection coming from him. You can feel you trigger this for him.

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posted September 12, 2014 04:02 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

I was thinking along the same lines. Mir, from his perspective (the Draco person) you have a Venus/Mars conjunction. This is how he feels the connection between you two when it comes to his Draco life path. Of course, in turn, you feel it too, but rather as a reflection coming from him. You can feel you trigger this for him.

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That is a brilliant way to see it.

So my Draco Pluto conjunct his tropical Venus (3 degrees) feels like a Venus-Pluto-conjunction to me, so far so, yes.

And his Draco Mars-Jupiter-Amor oppoiste and his Draco Eros conjunct my tropical Pluto, would feel like a Mars-Pluto-connection to him.