posted August 21, 2015 03:24 PM            

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AstroMandala

posted August 23, 2015 04:11 AM            

In our case, Saturn-Neptune is prominent across all charts. Which is meaningful for me since I am a Cap sun, Pisces moon.

Meanwhile his Saturn and Neptune each aspect two other planets within one degree, so they stand out in his chart, too."

In a way, they are meaningful on their own, they are a theme, either they touch the natal directly or not. But as you can see, like with your own example, they actually connect to the tropical, at least as symbolism. I don't recommend analyzing them without the tropical or looking at the draco synastry first.
It's interesting however how the draco synastry actually reflects the nodal angle between two people and if they have this nodal angle many times in the synastry, as a repeated theme, thus giving many exact conjunctions in draco, it has to mean something. It's almost a numerological print.

Saturn Neptune is such an interesting theme in your synastry, there was that article Ceri posted about its karmic significance. I also notice Moon contacts, which I generally see as shared every day life, with draco too, considering it's Moon chart anyway.

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

AstroMandala

posted August 23, 2015 04:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

So, my husband's NN is only 4 degrees from mine. So wherever our planets 4 to 6 degrees apart in tropical synastry, widely conjunct, they become tighter conjunctions in draco-to-draco. Easy peasy

My trPluto 11 Libra, his trMoon 5 Libra
6 orb

My drPluto 21 Aqua, his drMoon 19 Aqua
2 orb

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That's a very cool fact, conjunctions play an important role for your destiny together. I have a similar situation, but with 9-10 deg (between the nodes)

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

AstroMandala

posted August 23, 2015 02:04 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
"So one CAN say, they are meaningful on their own, regardless of whether or not they hook into the natals?"

In our case, Saturn-Neptune is prominent across all charts. Which is meaningful for me since I am a Cap sun, Pisces moon.

Meanwhile his Saturn and Neptune each aspect two other planets within one degree, so they stand out in his chart, too."

In a way, they are meaningful on their own, they are a theme, either they touch the natal directly or not. But as you can see, like with your own example, they actually connect to the tropical, at least as symbolism. I don't recommend analyzing them without the tropical or looking at the draco synastry first.
It's interesting however how the draco synastry actually reflects the nodal angle between two people and if they have this nodal angle many times in the synastry, as a repeated theme, thus giving many exact conjunctions in draco, it has to mean something. It's almost a numerological print.

Saturn Neptune is such an interesting theme in your synastry, there was that article Ceri posted about its karmic significance. I also notice Moon contacts, which I generally see as shared every day life, with draco too, considering it's Moon chart anyway.

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Thank you for this wonderful and insightful answer.

"numerological print"

Perfect phrase.

posted August 23, 2015 02:51 PM            

take for example Mr Sag`s NN at 1° Virgo or 151° in the whole zodiac, it means his NN is 151° off the Aries point at 00 Aries.

Draconics are calculated by putting the NN on the Aries point, hence EVERY aspect that repeats this angle, will become a conjunction . hence every waxing quinkunx for him will become a conjunction.

Thus the fact that his Pluto on 21 Libra is in a widish quinkunx with his ASC on 25 Pisces, results in the fact that his Draco ASC is conjunct his tropical Pluto with 3 degrees.

Or synastricaly speaking:

my Saturn on 17 Cancer widely quinkunx his Neptune on 20 Sagittarius (waxing quinkunx from the perspective of my tropical planet to his tropical planet - that is the only direction it works).

resulting in his Draco Neptune conjunct my tropical Saturn (2 degrees).

or my Pluto on 9 LIbra quinkunx his EROS on 8 Pisces - resulting in his Draco EROS conjunct my tropical Pluto at about 1-2 degrees I think.

It also means that my ISIS-OSIRIS at 8 Capricorn has this interplay with his ISIS at 9 Gemini, resulting in his Draco Isis joining my tropical Isis-Osiris.
Just the same is happening with SIva and Parvati. my tropical Parvati at 28 Leo quinkunx his tropical Siva at 28 Capricorn - hence his Draco Siva conjunct my tropical Parvati with about one degree orb. etc.... etc. ...

Whatever your personal nodal arc is, aspects reflecting this will turn up as Draconic conjunctions.

posted April 03, 2016 10:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Where it gets interesting is when both people have tropical AND draco planets on the same axis, and what comes under the tropical aspect, might be quite different, under the sufrace.

For example

Let`s say guy has Uranus on 10 Libra, girl has Venus on 10 Libra.

But on the draconic level guy has Moon on 10 LIbra and gilr has Pluto on 10 Libra.

Now wouldn`t THAT be an interesting interchange?

Tropically a Venus-Uranus-conjunction, exciting,e xhilarating, but unupredictable and maybe unstable.

But underneath it a Moon-pluto-conjunction, introducing a "Wuthering Height" scenario. Something will rumble underneath and make it rather difficult to just get up and leave.

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wow...that's beautifully put, ceri
of course I immediately went to inspect my synastry. Was floored to see the following dynamic:

tropical synastry :
Moon - Pluto conjunction. (his Moon, My Pluto)

now I noticed that my natal cluster of Sun- DSC - Node- BML has moved all together ( arched to) in the draco chart to the exact degree where our Moon-Pluto conjunction is located in the tropical synastry.
Which means that my draco Sun/DSC is on top of his tropical Moon AND on top of my Pluto.
Great.

posted April 04, 2016 06:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
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now I noticed that my natal cluster of Sun- DSC - Node- BML has moved all together ( arched to) in the draco chart to the exact degree where our Moon-Pluto conjunction is located in the tropical synastry.
Which means that my draco Sun/DSC is on top of his tropical Moon AND on too of my Pluto.
Great.

also, in the draconic synastry, we have a conjunction of Vertex - Vertex at 15' Libra, and this draconic conjunction falls on our tropical Sun-Venus opposition and Venus-Saturn conjunction. How karmic..

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posted April 04, 2016 07:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

I don`t know about karmic (unless a present-time-oriented karma) but that is PRECISELY what I am looking for, not just isolated conjunctions, but very clear natal patterns either activating the Dracos or falling onto a tropical placement, and even more so when major aspectconfigurations are [b]overlaying each other.[/B]

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That's what I like to see, a pile-up of "hits" on certain degrees.

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Maybe off topic since this isn't overlapping conjunctions.

But looking at the charts again last night I noticed fire grand trines:

23.23 Aries, my tr Chiron
21.59 Aries, his dr Saturn
22.43 Aries, my dr Neptune

26.01 Leo, my dr Jupiter
25.00 Leo, his tr Mars

22.01 Sag, his dr sun
23.43 Sag, my tr Vertex (rectified chart)

posted April 04, 2016 01:48 PM            

For us, it's

Venus-IC
Ceres-Asc
Juno-Desc
Valentine-Desc

(His draconic Venus conjunct my draconic IC, 1 degree. His Ceres at 18 degrees of Scorpio conjunct my dr. Asc. at 20 Scorpio, which is conjunct my natal Sun (21 Scorpio)--and my 9th harmonic vertex.

My draconic Juno is actually widely conjunct his draconic descendant (4 degrees), which as I mentioned in the other draco thread is significant given his natal-draco Juno-angle d/w's.

posted April 04, 2016 01:56 PM            

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LeeLoo said:

It's interesting however how the draco synastry actually reflects the nodal angle between two people and if they have this nodal angle many times in the synastry, as a repeated theme, thus giving many exact conjunctions in draco, it has to mean something. It's almost a numerological print.

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Fascinating!

posted April 04, 2016 02:25 PM            

D.'s draconic Karma is conjunct my natal North Node, by 1 degree. We have Karma-Vertex double whammy in tropical synastry, and Karma-Vertex opposite Moon-Amor in composite, so karma obviously figures quite prominently for us...

posted April 04, 2016 02:49 PM            

his Dr Karma is on my 5th house cusp exact and opposes my Uranus, all exact. in fact we first met when my pr Moon had been going over that degree.

Oh I never realized THAT!!!!

his Dr Karma 1°55 Taurus
my Dr Mr Sag 3°41 Taurus
(orb: 1°46)

my Dr Karma 5°51 Libra
his Dr Ceri 7°47 Libra
(orb: 1°56)

posted April 04, 2016 02:59 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
[B]I noticed in the original post by LeeLoo (and somebody has probably already noted this), that in the draco-draco synastry comparisons she cited, there seemed to always be at least one angle-planet/asteroid conjunction. (Chiron-Asc, Pluto-Asc, Saturn-Desc, etc.)

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I completely forgot about that, but looking it up for my parents.

his Venus conjunct her DESC (1)
his Jupiter conjunct her DESC (0)
his Pluto widely on her ASC (4)
his Mars conjunct her IC (0)

herPluto widely on his ASC (4)
her Mercury conjunct his IC (0)

For me and Mr Sag the comparison looks like this

his Priapus conjunct my DESC (2
(and his Pallas-Psyche, but with 3-4 orb)
his Sun conjunct my IC (0)
his Moon conjunct my IC (2)
his MC conjunct my IC (2)

my Venus conjunct his ASC (1)
my Pluto conjunct his IC (1)
my Alma conjunct his MC (0)

posted April 04, 2016 03:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
So what is the interpretation here - that my sun/ angles receive the moon-pluto conjunction ( affects me) or that my sun/angles drives it? What is it?

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posted April 05, 2016 02:18 AM            

In draco we both have Venus in Gemini conjuncting each other and his draco Venus conjuncts my draco Mars by 2d. Also his Draco Moon conjuncts my tropic Saturn by 1d and we have his draco juno conjunct exact my tropic chiron and my draco chiron conjunct his tropic moon.

With my husband my Draco Sun conjuncts his tropic Moon under 2d. With him we have some very interesting draco to tropic but not much draco to draco going on...???

Like his draco pluto conjuncts exact my tropic chiron, his draco jupiter conjuncts exact my tropic juno, his draco neptune conjuncts exact my tropic eros, my draco neptune conjuncts his tropic Sun.

OK OK OK I found something! His Draco Vertex conjuncts exact my Draco Venus and Mars.

His Draco Vertex in Gemini @4d56
My Draco Venus in Gemini @4d09
My Draco Mars in Gemini @5d05
My Draco Karma in Gemini @3d39
My Tropic chiron in Gemini @2d51