posted September 08, 2014 05:22 PM              

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Originally posted by Delilah423:
Yes, DWs only, and using the orbs LeeLoo suggested (which I personally think may be a bit too wide in some instances, but...)

I didn't include our 1 degree Vesta-Vesta conjunction, which I probably should have? Or 2 degree Venus-Venus quincunx; I think we've probably got more like that.

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Why wouldn't you include these two aspects? What orbs do you use? Everyone has their orb preferences, I know. Personally I believe the orbs we need for certain aspects (coming from someone else) are the ones suggested by our natal charts, on our "hot spots" which, many times, are actually midpoints. Hunting tight orbs and isolating aspects could kill the synastric geometry.

posted September 08, 2014 05:25 PM              

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Yeah, they're too wide for me as well. But I like to keep it simple.

SATURN conjunct MOON (1°20)
MOON sextile SATURN (1°30)

MARS square MOON (1°50)
MOON conjunct MARS (3°30)

VENUS quindecile MARS (1°30)
MARS quintile VENUS (1°30)

VALENTINE conjunct MERCURY (0°)
MERCURY conjunct VALENTINE (1°)

KARMA conjunct MOON (0°)
MOON semisextile KARMA (0°)

Even when it's finally done, it's never [b]done. Sigh.[/B]

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The aspects here are too tight for such an analysis, IMO, if you only picked those. I'm sure there must be other important DWs involving one close aspect, one wider; or two aspects up to 5. Moon/Saturn is a strong marital aspect, IMO, especially those two aspects.

posted September 08, 2014 05:28 PM              

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Asteroid pairings, some of them non-DW but I think worth mentioning.

- his Adonis conjunct my Aphrodite 6, Aphrodite semisextile Adonis 0
- his Eros sextile my Psyche 0
- Amor trine Amor 0
- composite Amor trine Psyche 0
- his Poseidon conjunct my Amphitrite 0 on his IC 0 and my DSC 1 (!)
- his Groom quintile my Briede 1, my Groom conjunct his Briede 0 and conjunct A-P
btw, his Groom conjunct my ICR Jupiter 0 and trine my Union 0 in the 4th, my Briede conjunct his ASCR Pluto-Juno 0 and sextile his Union 0 in the 1st
- his King square my Queen 4, my King(-Mars) conjunct his Queen(-Mars) 6
- his Cyllarus trine my Hylonome 0
- his Ariadne trine my Dionysus 2, my Ariadne trine his Bacchus 3
- composite Bacchus opposite Ariadne 6
- his Paris semisquare my Helena 0, my Paris conjunct his Helena 6
- his Galatea conjunct my Pygmalion 4, my Galatea quintile his Pygmalion 1
- Pygmalion semisextile Pygmalion 0
- Galatea semisquare Galatea 0
- his Tristan trine my Isolda 1, my Tristan quincunx his Isolda 0
- his Amenhotep conjunct my Nefretiti 9, my Amenhotep sextile his Nefretiti 2
- Nefretiti conjunct Nefretiti 4
- his Isis opposite my Osiris 4
- Osiris opposite Osiris 1 (our angles ivolved)
- Ptah square Ptah 0
- his Endymion conjunct my Selene 6, my Endymion sesquisquare his Selene 1
- Endymion square Endymion 1
- composite Siegfried semisextile Kriemhild 0
- his Artemis conjunct my Endymion 1
- his Donar sextile my Sif 1
- his Balder trine my Nanna 1, my Balder semisquare his Nanna 2
- his Siegfried trine my Kriemhild 0, my Siegfried sextile his Kriemhild 0
btw, his S opposite my Sun 0 and his K opposite my Moon 0 :O
- his Siva conjunct my Parvati 6, my Rudra sextile his Tara 0, my Shankar sesquisquare his Tara 0, his Mahakala trine my Kaali 2, his Hara opposite my Kaali 5, my Hara sesquisquare his Parvati 0
- Rudra conjunct Siva 0, Rudra sextile Rudra 1
- composite Kaali sextile Shankar 2 and Tara opposite Shankar 3

I'm waiting for my chocolate ^^

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I see 11 Mythical Pairs here, in DW...is this normal??

posted September 08, 2014 09:59 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Why wouldn't you include these two aspects? What orbs do you use? Everyone has their orb preferences, I know. Personally I believe the orbs we need for certain aspects (coming from someone else) are the ones suggested by our natal charts, on our "hot spots" which, many times, are actually midpoints. Hunting tight orbs and isolating aspects could kill the synastric geometry.

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I didn't leave them out because of orbs; I left them out because I was too dumb or tired to figure out whether a Sun-Sun or Vesta-Vesta aspect was a DW.

posted September 09, 2014 06:29 AM              

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Originally posted by Delilah423:
I didn't leave them out because of orbs; I left them out because I was too dumb or tired to figure out whether a Sun-Sun or Vesta-Vesta aspect was a DW.

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OK

I don't think a same planet aspect is a DW. Something like Moon/Venus, Sun/Venus is a (mixed) DW. Or Venus/Vesta, Mars/Vesta. Or Yin/Yang pairs of the same planet, such as Sun/Sun plus Moon/Moon between charts ( for example a couple with Sun conjunct Sun, Moon trine Moon), could be considered a DW.

posted September 09, 2014 06:52 AM              

But if we have a simple attraction aspect, such as one person's Mars in aspect to the other's Venus, whilst the other's Mars is stranded somewhere else, we could have a potentially one sided attraction (unless the attraction factor is completed somewhere else, with an equivalent, such as Moon/Mars) and only one portion of the other's natal is triggered. That's why a DW is highly unlikely to be one-sided: you are with the right person to experience the FULL potential of that archetype within you; whatever these people feel and experience together, be it hatred or love, adventure or comfort, excitement or anger etc it will be mutual. However, it is my belief that DWs trigger our more positive side because we mutually click with someone, plus we receive another variation of that aspect which makes us learn and evolve a lot (such as a combination between a hard and a soft aspect)not just feel comfy and with the right person. But they can also trigger: mutual irrational behavior, mutual violence, mutual obsession etc. It's like an enhanced version of every archetype. But the advantage between having, let's say a Mars/Pluto DW vs. a simple aspect (my Mars square his Pluto) is that the DW gives a great chance for harmony, integration and equilibrium - even if the two people mutually trigger each other's Mars/Pluto archetype in their chart, the dynamics of the DW and the mirror effect help integrate that aspect in a positive manner within oneself and the relationship.
So perhaps one of the most important questions in aspect dynamics astrology is to be asked here: if you have a let's say Mars/Pluto aspect in your chart, do you need a person with whom you have a Mars/Pluto DW (this person will awaken the Mars/Pluto archetype in your chart, your square)?
What do you think?

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posted September 09, 2014 07:56 AM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Hm...are you sure it's platonic, this one?

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While there is a lot of resonance, I find there is a bit of a lack of "sexy" aspects, especisally in terms of HER 5th house ruler.

"Moon (8HR) square Mercury (1HR, 10HR)1
Mercury (7HR, 9HR) quintile Moon (11HR) 1"
this one *could* have potentially been a sexy one. However unlike with the 5th house, with the 8th house ruler I have sometimes seen it go both ways. While the intensity is decidely there, it does not have to translate into sexual intensity, though often it does.
I am not yet totally sure what makes the 8th house sexy in some instances, and not in others. Maybe if the ruler was a sexual planet like Mars or being in a sexual sign like Scorpio for example, it might be tilted more to the sexual expression.

The thing is also, what i have been hypothizing, that the potential for sexual attraction and compatibility is there, potentially.

However first we have to go through the 5th and 7th house.
The 5th seems to be necessary for a spark to ignite, and if the 5th house ruler is not engaged, maybe there is just no push to take it to the 8th house level. I donīt know for sure if that is true. just wondering.

I ahve been similiarly wondering about the composite, too.
The synastry providing the initial spark, but if the 5th house in composite is meh, despite the attraction being there, it just doesn`t get off the ground properly.
And the other way round as well. We might be surprised how compatible we are with some people erotically, even though we might not think we are on first glance.

"Moon (8HR) square Venus (2HR, 9HR) 0
Venus (5HR, 10HR) conjunct Moon (11HR) 0"
This I would have thought of as an extremely sexual aspect, especially for the first person.
So this is the one that surprises me. But maybe the Moon-Venus-combo on its own is too soft?
Or maybe it does not fit Selene`s natal sexual profile?

I do not know her chart, but let`s say her 5th house sais she is heavily drawn to Mars-Uranus, then maybe the Moon-Venus just wouldn`t do it for her, even though indicative of the others sexual and relational Self-presentation and essence (talking about 2nd house especially).

Maybe both has to fit, rulership AND planet.
But I am not sure.
Maybe it was simply not activated.

Another suspicion I sometimes have is that we can compare the natal synastry all we want, but the most beautiful and fitting synastry can lay completely dormant unless being activated by progressions and transits. Like some bits have to be lightened somehow, and otherwise it is a nice idea, potential is there, but it is simmering in the background, and it is the foreground aspects that really tell us if there will be attraction or disinterest or repulsion even.

And in a synastry with wonderful Sun-Moon and Venus-mars and Venus-Mercury DW`s, what happens if those are NOT activated, but instead the Mars-Saturn- and Saturn-Pluto-squares become activated?

Could it be that one or both people might be dimly aware that they *Could* have this wonderful relationship, as painted y the Venus and Moon DW, but somehow the ugly cousins do most of the manifestation?

"Venus (5HR, 10HR) sextile Mercury (1HR, 10HR) 1

Venus (5HR, 10HR) sextile Venus (2HR, 9HR) 0

Venus (5HR, 10HR) sextile Mars (8HR) 0
Venus (5HR, 10HR) conjunct Jupiter (4HR) 3"

those are very nice aspects to have. And I mean it, they are NICE, friendly supportive. They are family aspects (10th house ruler conjunct 4th house ruler esp.)
And Jupiter enhancing Venus as 5th house ruler could definitely enhance a romantic/ erotic attraction, but on the other hand it also could just play a supportive role.

I do think that we need strong aspects of the personal (relationship oriented) planets to the 5th house, and the others Jupiter-Pluto, modify this.
And it seems, at least for SElene, the sextile is not strong enough to create that zing.
Without the personal planets aspecting 5th house, there might still be good feelings or fascination and intrigue, but it is somehow not so much based in the other personīs personality or presence (of course add the ASC, MC and ruler of 1st and 2nd house house to this as well.)

posted September 09, 2014 07:57 AM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

I think there must be a very tangible, earthy, sexual, sensual, physical proximity healing with Chiron then, a very physical connection.

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posted September 09, 2014 08:02 AM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

[b]Mercury-Neptune-conjunction is joined by dazzling SAPPHO

WOW... this should be an aspect for a couple of great poets or at least two people sharing a strong mutual love for the arts involving Mercury/Neptune.

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Yes, I also think so, too. No wonder he is an artist. lol It just makes so much sense.

Even the first meeting chart speaks of this

Sun 2 Gemini
Priapus 3 Gemini
Sappho 3 Gemini

part of the mystical triangle, the tightest picture in the first meeting chart including

Moon 1 Cap
Pluto 0 Cap

posted September 09, 2014 09:28 AM              

I noticed that Mr Sag and me have a DW involving the 1st and 7th houses.

his r7, Mercury, square my r1, Jupiter, - 1°49
his r7 Venus, semisquare my r1, Jupiter, - 0°17
his r7, Mercury, conjunct my ASC -2°19
his DESC quindecile my r1, Jupiter - 0°34

posted September 09, 2014 09:32 AM              

his r7, Mercury, square my r1, Jupiter, - 1°49
(his r7 Venus, semisquare my r1, Jupiter, - 0°17)
his Neptune, r1, conjunct my Mercury, r7 - 4°35

his r7, Mercury, conjunct my ASC -2°19
his ASC, square my r7, Mercury - 0°35

his DESC quindecile my r1, Jupiter - 0°34
his Neptune, r1, quindecile my DESC -1°38
(his Mars, r1, square my DESC - 3°59)

posted September 09, 2014 09:38 AM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
OK

I don't think a same planet aspect is a DW. Something like Moon/Venus, Sun/Venus is a (mixed) DW. Or Venus/Vesta, Mars/Vesta. Or Yin/Yang pairs of the same planet, such as Sun/Sun plus Moon/Moon between charts ( for example a couple with Sun conjunct Sun, Moon trine Moon), could be considered a DW.

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I was wondering could this termed a complementary/ mixed DW?

his Moon conjunct my Sun
my Sun conjunct his Sun?

Since the Sun is doubly there, it becomes the "briding" planet.
It is the same mechanism like comparing

Mars/Vesta
Venus/Vesta

Just that in this case the bridging planet would not be Vesta, but come from the Yin-Yang-pairing itself.
Do you get what I mean?

posted September 09, 2014 11:17 AM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

I was wondering could this termed a complementary/ mixed DW?

his Moon conjunct my Sun
my Sun conjunct his Sun?

Since the Sun is doubly there, it becomes the "briding" planet.
It is the same mechanism like comparing

Mars/Vesta
Venus/Vesta

Just that in this case the bridging planet would not be Vesta, but come from the Yin-Yang-pairing itself.
Do you get what I mean?

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I like your idea with the "bridge"
In his case, yes, the Sun is in DW with the luminary archetype.

His Moon is his anima, and your Sun (you) is there. Your Sun is your animus and his Sun (him) is there. You are each other's luminary archetype, complementary.

posted September 09, 2014 11:47 AM              

two major aspects and same aspect family
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his Moon conjunct my Sun 2.42
my Sun conjunct his Sun 1.01

his Jupiter square my Neptune 0.12
my Juno square his Neptune 3.29

two major aspects and related aspect families
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his Moon sextile my BML -0.01
my Sun trine his BML - 2.17

his Moon square my MC -6.26
my Sun conjunct his MC -2.22

two major aspects, very different vibration
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his Sun sextile my Uranus 4.23
my Moon square his Uranus 6.17

his Mars opposite my Jupiter 0.06
my Venus trine his Jupiter 4.02

same aspect family
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his Sun quindecile my SN 1.47
my Moon quindecile his NN 0.43

his Sun binovile my Juno 0.00
my Moon quadranovile his Juno 0.32

related aspect families (for example trine, sextile, novile or square, semisquare, sesisquare)
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his Moon novile my Pluto 0.25
my Sun sextile his Pluto 4.32

his Venus semisquare my NN 0.45
my Mars square his NN 3.47

his Venus semisquare my Jupiter 0.17
my Mars square his Jupiter 4.59

his Mars opposite my Ceres 1.8
my Venus square his Ceres 0.54

everything else (at least one major aspect)
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his Moon novile my Saturn -1.41
my Sun square his Saturn -0.46

his Venus semisextile my Mercury 0.52
my Mars conjunct his Mercury 4.12

his Venus square my Chiron 5.53
my Mars triseptile his Chiron 0.08

his Venus semisquare my Ceres 1.17
my Mars trine his Ceres 1.52

his Mars square my ASC 3.59
my Venus binovile his ASC 0.29

his Mars square my NN 0.56
my Venus trine his NN 4.44

his Jupiter square my NN 0.00
my Juno quindecile his NN 0.35

his Jupiter trine my Venus 4.02
my Juno septile his Venus 0.22

posted September 09, 2014 11:50 AM              

two major aspects and same aspect family
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his Moon conjunct my Sun 2.42
my Sun conjunct his Sun 1.01

his Jupiter square my Neptune 0.12
my Juno square his Neptune 3.29

two major aspects and related aspect families
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his Moon sextile my BML -0.01
my Sun trine his BML - 2.17

his Moon square my MC -6.26
my Sun conjunct his MC -2.22

two major aspects, very different vibration
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his Sun sextile my Uranus 4.23
my Moon square his Uranus 6.17

his Mars opposite my Jupiter 0.06
my Venus trine his Jupiter 4.02

same aspect family
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his Sun quindecile my SN 1.47
my Moon quindecile his NN 0.43

his Sun binovile my Juno 0.00
my Moon quadranovile his Juno 0.32

related aspect families (for example trine, sextile, novile or square, semisquare, sesisquare)
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his Moon novile my Pluto 0.25
my Sun sextile his Pluto 4.32

his Venus semisquare my NN 0.45
my Mars square his NN 3.47

his Venus semisquare my Jupiter 0.17
my Mars square his Jupiter 4.59

his Mars opposite my Ceres 1.8
my Venus square his Ceres 0.54

everything else (at least one major aspect)
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his Moon novile my Saturn -1.41
my Sun square his Saturn -0.46

his Venus semisextile my Mercury 0.52
my Mars conjunct his Mercury 4.12

his Venus square my Chiron 5.53
my Mars triseptile his Chiron 0.08

his Venus semisquare my Ceres 1.17
my Mars trine his Ceres 1.52

his Mars square my ASC 3.59
my Venus binovile his ASC 0.29

his Mars square my NN 0.56
my Venus trine his NN 4.44

his Jupiter square my NN 0.00
my Juno quindecile his NN 0.35

his Jupiter trine my Venus 4.02
my Juno septile his Venus 0.22

EDIT:
I used Chiron, true Lilith, Pallas, Juno, Vesta and Ceres

posted September 09, 2014 12:49 PM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

His Moon is his anima, and your Sun (you) is there. Your Sun is your animus and his Sun (him) is there. You are each other's luminary archetype, complementary.

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that sounds nice.

posted September 09, 2014 12:54 PM              

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Originally posted by Delilah423:
I've always assumed a Vesta-Vesta conjunction was not a DW, but I don't understand how it would differ from a DW, especially if the key factor you're looking for in this instance is mutuality. How can you get any more mutual than that? Same would be true for a trine or any other aspect.

In other words, when you are talking about Moon-Moon, Venus-Venus, Sun-Sun, etc. there is no option for a DW. But if you are looking for the mutually felt energies in synastry wouldn't you have to include them? Is there a way to distinguish their effect from a true DW?

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Same planets aspects are mutual, agreed.
However, DW`s seem stronger to me, because we have two sets of planets, and we have a different planet modifying.

For example
Moon trine Moon - wonderful aspect btw- shows that you are emotionally on a similiar level, how your emotional cores are in touch with each other (harmonious flow).

But if we have Moon - Jupiter as DW for example, it gets a little more specific, describing the kind of emotional vibe, in this case encouraging, supportive etc.

posted September 09, 2014 06:10 PM              

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
[b]My list of DW (a lot of minor aspects though):

Moon opposite Saturn 0, Moon novile Saturn 0 marital I actually like the novile here, it's supposed to be a marriage aspect per se

Moon semi square Pluto (ASC ruler) 1, Moon sesquisquare Pluto (DSC ruler) 2
marital erotic romantic the same harmonics, not bad

ASC square MC 3, ASC square MC 3

ASC conjunct DSC 5 (they are DW in my cheat sheet lol)
OK lol marital

MC sextile Uranus (IC ruler) 3, MC sesquisquare Uranus (MC ruler) 2

a new age couple lol a bunch of hippies

Venus (DSC ruler) sextile Mars (DSC co-ruler) 4, Venus (ASC ruler) novile Mars (ASC co-ruler) 1

marital and co./ interesting stuff with the novile

Moon trine Venus 8, Moon biquintile Venus 1
romantic and nice aspects (although widish trine)

Venus (ASC ruler) conjunct Jupiter (2nd ruler) 6, Venus (DSC ruler) trine Jupiter (8th ruler) 2
wow that's a moneymaker...with this DW you should both get rich
if not, romantic

Sun conjunct Uranus 9 (MC rulers conjunct), Sun conjunct Uranus 7 (IC rulers conjunct)

Mercury conjunct Uranus 9 (5th and 2nd ruler conjunct IC ruler), Mercury conjunct Uranus (8th and 11th ruler conjunct MC ruler) 7

Mars trine Uranus (IC ruler) 5, Mars square Uranus (MC ruler) 1

Mars quincunx ASC 1, Mars sesquisquare ASC 0

Mars trine Jupiter (8th ruler) 1, Mars triseptile Jupiter 0
erotic

Mars (ASC co-ruler) semisquare Pluto (DSC ruler) 0, Mars (DSC co-ruler) quadranovile Pluto (ASC ruler) 0

Asteroids on the drop down menu:

BML conjunct Sun 0, BML square Sun 2
erotic

BML semisextile Neptune 0, BML square Neptune 2
erotic

BML square Nodes 0, BML sextile NN 0
erotic

Ceres sextile Saturn 1, Ceres quincunx Saturn 0
nice one, marital

Ceres quincunx Jupiter 1, Ceres sesquisquare Jupiter 1
this one tooo, I believe

Juno square Nodes 2, Juno semisquare NN 1
marital

Juno square Juno 0 (marital qualities clash)

Pallas square Neptune 0, Pallas semisquare Neptune 1 (psychic connection I guess)

I hope I've not exhausted you with my list, I've kept it simple.

[/B]

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How did you find so many in that synastry which scared the hell out of me when I first saw it? Just kidding, don't mind me, just being a little naughty

Let's see:

Moon opposite Saturn 0, Moon novile Saturn 0 marital I actually like the novile here, it's supposed to be a marriage aspect per se

Moon semi square Pluto (ASC ruler) 1, Moon sesquisquare Pluto (DSC ruler) 2
marital erotic romantic the same harmonics, not bad

ASC square MC 3, ASC square MC 3

ASC conjunct DSC 5 (they are DW in my cheat sheet lol)
OK lol marital

MC sextile Uranus (IC ruler) 3, MC sesquisquare Uranus (MC ruler) 2

a new age couple lol a bunch of hippies

Venus (DSC ruler) sextile Mars (DSC co-ruler) 4, Venus (ASC ruler) novile Mars (ASC co-ruler) 1

marital and co./ interesting stuff with the novile

Moon trine Venus 8, Moon biquintile Venus 1
romantic and nice aspects (although widish trine)

Venus (ASC ruler) conjunct Jupiter (2nd ruler) 6, Venus (DSC ruler) trine Jupiter (8th ruler) 2
wow that's a moneymaker...with this DW you should both get rich
if not, romantic

Sun conjunct Uranus 9 (MC rulers conjunct), Sun conjunct Uranus 7 (IC rulers conjunct)

Mercury conjunct Uranus 9 (5th and 2nd ruler conjunct IC ruler), Mercury conjunct Uranus (8th and 11th ruler conjunct MC ruler) 7

Mars trine Uranus (IC ruler) 5, Mars square Uranus (MC ruler) 1

Mars quincunx ASC 1, Mars sesquisquare ASC 0

Mars trine Jupiter (8th ruler) 1, Mars triseptile Jupiter 0
erotic

Mars (ASC co-ruler) semisquare Pluto (DSC ruler) 0, Mars (DSC co-ruler) quadranovile Pluto (ASC ruler) 0

Asteroids on the drop down menu:

BML conjunct Sun 0, BML square Sun 2
erotic

BML semisextile Neptune 0, BML square Neptune 2
erotic

BML square Nodes 0, BML sextile NN 0
erotic

Ceres sextile Saturn 1, Ceres quincunx Saturn 0
nice one, marital

Ceres quincunx Jupiter 1, Ceres sesquisquare Jupiter 1
this one tooo, I believe

Juno square Nodes 2, Juno semisquare NN 1
marital

Juno square Juno 0 (marital qualities clash)

Pallas square Neptune 0, Pallas semisquare Neptune 1 (psychic connection I guess)

posted September 10, 2014 05:47 PM              

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Originally posted by Delilah423:
I've always assumed a Vesta-Vesta conjunction was not a DW, but I don't understand how it would differ from a DW, especially if the key factor you're looking for in this instance is mutuality. How can you get any more mutual than that? Same would be true for a trine or any other aspect.

In other words, when you are talking about Moon-Moon, Venus-Venus, Sun-Sun, etc. there is no option for a DW. But if you are looking for the mutually felt energies in synastry wouldn't you have to include them? Is there a way to distinguish their effect from a true DW?

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Ceri explained it very well. What you describe, Delilah, is however a bit different from the concept of DW. In your example we have the same planet connected between the charts: yes, they act in sync, those planets, depending on the aspect and on their placement. In a way it is a DW. I suppose you can have a DW made of three planets or even more (although it is more fun to consider the pairs): for instance, my Venus opp Jupiter square Neptune, his Mars square Jupiter opp Neptune could be a DW.
The fun in the traditional DW, as Ceri pointed out, is to create a pair - with it, you reach an archetype, a bit like the ones I tried to describe in the explanation post. What is really interesting, I think, is how the two pairs synchronized activate your own pair, your own archetype, either you have an aspect between those in your chart or not. If you already have an aspect, it probably triggers that aspect, If you don't have an aspect, it must trigger the symbolism you have in your chart for that pair.

For example, we have Moon/Saturn DW: Moon trine Saturn (0), Moon semisquare Saturn (1). Neither of us has a direct Moon/Saturn aspect in the chart. When you meet someone with whom you share a Moon/Saturn DW, you will most likely view that person as a potential long-term partnership (marriage) material, most likely someone you would like to have children with and no matter the other aspects between you, there will be a serious, mommy/daddy (as Ceri says lol) vibe between the two. Although we don't have Moon/Saturn direct aspects in our natal charts, there is of course a certain symbolism like in a any chart, between these two synastry giants lol: in my case, my ASC in Saturn, Saturn conjunct DSC, Moon in 7th - most likely, meeting him somehow connects these planets in my chart, emphasizing my Moon in my 7th and my Saturn on my DSC, almost making them conjunct, like a meeting of my Moon and my Saturn in my 7th.
He has Saturn on MC (0) and Capricorn/Cancer intercepted in reverse: Cap in the 4th, and Cancer in the 10th - so meeting me most likely triggers his interception, it's like waking up a part of him waiting to be awoken - perhaps that's why he unexpectedly mentioned children lol

So I think this is another interesting part about DWs: to look at the archetypes a DW triggers in your chart, what it means to you to meet that person with whom you share that particular DW.

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posted September 11, 2014 06:35 AM              

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Originally posted by libran_dream:
Thank you for the rundown, LeeLoo! This is an amazing thread.

I was not clear enough in my list, I'm sorry. I got lazy and didn't feel like putting in the exact aspects on every item.
Those are ALL DWs. The entire list. But I was using the Astro.com details PDF, which is a bit loose - large orbs & minor aspects.

I just put in the details for some and not for others semi-randomly. I haven't completed it either, this is about 2hrs of looking. You know that this one would take days.

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But to move on to a more general discussion, I'm thinking that this could be a really good application for an astro program. I code as a hobby and this idea of yours is really giving me some ideas. Maybe we could make a collaborative effort and translate your idea into code to make this easier to calculate for everyone.
I can't start before November but it would be good to lay out some design work by then. You have such a complex view of this, it might take a while to figure out the math.

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This is a wonderful idea, Libran Dream. So you are a programmer? That would be an interesting feature added to a program, to calculate and list DWs - I suppose it would be easier if you somehow linked it to the astro software for instance, or another existing one? Or maybe it's easier to create a separate code just for this: a program able to compute all aspects with a large umber of asteroids and then list DWs?

posted September 11, 2014 03:19 PM              

Sun (DSC) sextile Moon (MC) (4)
Sun (11th) biquintile Moon (DSC) (0)
Sun opp Sun (1)
Moon square Moon (2)

Sun (DSC) conj ASC (8)
Sun (11th) sextile ASC (2)
Sun (DSC) square MC/IC (7)
Sun (11th) trine MC (4) sextile IC

Sun (11th) trine Saturn (IC) (4)
Sun(DSC) square Saturn (ASC) (7)
Moon (MC) trine Saturn (ASC) (0)
Moon (DSC) quintile Saturn (IC) (0)

This is mainly possible because:

1. we both have angles connected between themselves and with luminaries in our charts. This is an interesting observation about people already having a complex configuration with their angles and luminaries in their natal charts, perhaps they are more prone to serious/or at least deep, important relationships because when someone aspects these with their luminaries (of course, in the right places), they basically aspect the whole chart

2. I have 2 rulers for my ASC/DSC, he has 2 rulers for his MC/IC (due to interceptions). This is also interesting, people with interceptions have highlighted houses (the intercepted axis) of major importance and need contacts (direct and through aspects) to those interceptions in their important relationships of any kind.

Moon(DSC) opp Venus (2nd, 9th) (7)
Moon (MC) quintile Venus (IC, 9th) (1)

Moon (DSC) septile Pluto (3rd) (0)
Moon (MC) novile Pluto (MC) (0)

Venus quincunx Venus (1)
Mars trine Mars (7)
Venus(IC, 9th) square Mars (8th) (1)
Venus (2nd, 9th) trine Mars (3rd) (6)

Venus (IC, 9) opp Jupiter (DSC, IC) (6)
Mars (8th) square Jupiter (11th, 2nd) (4)
Mars (3rd) quincunx Jupiter (DSC, IC) (0)

Mars (3rd) square Saturn (IC) (3)
Mars (8th) novile Saturn (ASC) (1)