posted September 12, 2014 04:00 PM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
some example synastries
Paul Newman and Joanne woodward
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Moon/Jupiter (square, semisquare)
Moon/Saturn (septile, septile)
Moon/Neptune (opposition, opposition(
Sun/Jupiter (trine, sextile)
Sun/Pluto (novile, trine)
Sun/NN (square, septile)

Mercury/Venus (sextile, semisextile)
MErcury/Saturn (conjunc, square)
Mercury / Pluto (opposite, quink.)
Mercury/ASC (conj, semisextle)

Venus/Jupiter (quintile, sextile)
Venus/Saturn (conjunction, trine)
Venus/Uranus (square, conj.)
Venus/Plouto (opp., trine)
Venus/ASC (conj. sextile)
Mars7Saturn (septile, square)
Mars/Vertex (trine, opp.)

Jupiter/Uranus (square,novile)
Jupiter/ASC (conj, quintile)
Saturn/Pluto (trine, opp.)
Saturn/ASC (sextile, conjh.)

Uranus / Node (semisquare, trine)
Pluto / DESC (conj, conj.)

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Venus with everything lol
And they actually have a double DW, mixed with Venus/Saturn AND Mars/Saturn. I love their Jupiter aspects! They're looking great for two Cap people.

posted September 13, 2014 10:05 AM              

Of course his Saturn also conjuncts her Mars and her Saturn trines his Venus.

no Jupiter in this regard though.

But Saturn rules my mom`s 7th and 8th and my dad`s 5th house, so it is pretty significant.

well not totally true, I see

his Venus septile her Jupiter 0.33
his Mars opposite her Jupiter 3.13

herVenus biquintile his Jupiter 0.02
her Mars quinkunx his Jupiter 1.35

posted September 13, 2014 05:05 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
This is a wonderful idea, Libran Dream. So you are a programmer? That would be an interesting feature added to a program, to calculate and list DWs - I suppose it would be easier if you somehow linked it to the astro software for instance, or another existing one? Or maybe it's easier to create a separate code just for this: a program able to compute all aspects with a large umber of asteroids and then list DWs?

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posted September 13, 2014 05:21 PM              

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Originally posted by libran_dream:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
[b] This is a wonderful idea, Libran Dream. So you are a programmer? That would be an interesting feature added to a program, to calculate and list DWs - I suppose it would be easier if you somehow linked it to the astro software for instance, or another existing one? Or maybe it's easier to create a separate code just for this: a program able to compute all aspects with a large umber of asteroids and then list DWs?

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I'm a programmer, yes. Part work, part hobby. I'm making an astro desktop application as my next hobby project, I have a long, long mental list of features I want. I'm now slowly gathering them and putting them on paper/screen, to prepare for development. Your DW idea is a great one, I love it, and we could even tighten up the logic and make checklists that would get generated in a second, instead of in 3 afternoons of work.
As I mentioned, I'm making lists of features now, and development won't start until November. [/B][/QUOTE]

November sounds great We'll keep in touch about the DWs

posted September 13, 2014 05:37 PM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
my parents (40 years of marriage)

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I see strong aspects here, without rulership, definitely 6 marital, 5 romantic, 5 erotic and the same DW combo with the Saturn bridge between Venus and Mars, as you pointed out Would you consider Moon/Uranus a romantic aspect, Ceri? It pops up quite a lot. I remember you have it too in your synastry?

posted September 14, 2014 07:15 AM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I see strong aspects here, without rulership, definitely 6 marital, 5 romantic, 5 erotic and the same DW combo with the Saturn bridge between Venus and Mars, as you pointed out Would you consider Moon/Uranus a romantic aspect, Ceri? It pops up quite a lot. I remember you have it too in your synastry?

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which aspects do you consider romantic, erotic and marital?

Though yes, they of course have a lot going on.

Moon-uranus is an intriguing one. I suppose it depends though.

my Mum has Uranus conjunct her Cancer-ASC, my Dad has an Aquarius-Sun, so there is a relation already - btw this is something I see frequently, too, that certain natal relations are being repeated in the interaspects, like my Dad being a New Quarter baby with Sun in Aqua squaring Moon in Taurus, and my Mum`s Sun opposing his Moon, hence repeating the Sun-Moon-pattern for him, and obviously making it a T-square , and with my Dad`s Moon in 8th house and my Mum`s Sun in Scorpio, that fits.

But yes I see Moon-Uranus pop up a lot, for me I think it might be more on the emotional than the romantic level, considering my Moon is in Aquarius and I have Moon-Uranus-parallel with Moon ruling the 8th house. Uranus sits on 11th house cusp, so I would no rule the possibility of it being a romantic aspect for me totally, though more in the receptive sense (11th house the house of love received).

Well my Uranus is conjunct Jude Law`s Moon, and I do have had my fair share of affinities with gentlemen having either late Libra, early Scorpio Moon or late Aries Moon.
Well in the case of Mr Law there is a bit of mirroring going on as he has natally a Moon-Uranus-conjunction which is pretty isolated in his 10th house. With Moon ruling his 8th house.

Also interesting that both, his exwife and ex fiancee had Aquarius-Moon.

Anyway in the case of Mr Sag and me it is not even that prominent, as it is "only" a sextile. my Uranus sextile his Moon, oh wait yes, right, his Uranus squares my Moon widely, too. I tend to overlook that one for the wide orb. But it is there.

Well, nevertheless it ties into the natal mirror, as his Moon is closely parallel Uranus (just like in my chart).
And interestingly his exgirlfriend had an Aquarius-Moon (and Sun, Mercury, Venus and Jupiter in Aqua, too. lol)

Well, Moon rules his 5th house, Uranus rules his 12th.
Moon conjuncts MC, Uranus sits in 8th house.

So there is a relation to the relationship houses for him, and something else (10th and 12th. lol)

posted September 14, 2014 07:19 AM              

Moon rules my Mum`s 1st and 2nd and is in 4th
Uranus rules her 8th and is in 1st

Moon rules my DAd`s 11th and is in 8th
Uranus rules his 6th and is in 10th

his Moon is in her 11th
his Uranus in her 12th (conj. her BML)

her Moon is in his 1st
her URanus in his 10th

posted September 14, 2014 07:44 AM              

Moon/Sun (opposition, trine, though the trine is almost 7 degrees) marital romantic erotic

Moon/Venus (sesisquare, sesisquare) romantic
Moon/MC (septile, septile) marital
Moon/Vertex (septile, septile) marital, romantic (marital because it should be a lesson here involving the moon as maternity, parenthood)
Moon/Uranus (quintile, square)

Mercury / Venus (trine, square) romantic
Mercury / Pluto (quinjk. square)

Venus/Satrn (trine, conj.) marital
Venus/ASC (quink. conju) romantic, erotic (it often shows erotic attraction as well, not just romantic)
Mars/Jupiter (opp., quink.) erotic
Mars/Saturn (conj. conj) marital erotic
Mars/Uranus (square, quintile) erotic
Mars/ASC (square, conj.) erotic
Mars/MC (quinkunx, square) marital - I think all Dws to MC/IC have a strong potential for marital. It doesn't mean all relationships with MC/IC will turn into marriages, but for an already strong marital/romantic synastry, it does suggest that

Jupiter/URanus (quinkunx, square)

SN/MC (quink., square)
NN/Vertex (semisquare, conjunction) marital

posted September 15, 2014 09:40 AM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
friends of mine (married for 9 years, together roundabout 14)

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Moon/Sun (quinkunx, square, wide quink. almost 3 degr.) marital romantic erotic

Moon/Mars (trine, sextile) marital erotic
Moon/Neptune (sextile, trine) possibly romantic, great soul/psychic/emotional connection
Moon/Pluto (trine, opposition) marital romantic erotic, great combo with opp and trine
Sun/Mercury (square, semisquare) lively conversations and mental dynamism
Sun/Mars (square, square) dynamic, possibly erotic
Sun/MC (septile, sextile) dynamic and marital, with a touch of soulmate with the septile

Mercury/ASC (novile, square) more dynamism, mental connection, mutual understanding lots of talking, lively communication

Venus/Mars (septile, trine) marital romantic erotic
Venus/Jupiter (opp., opp.) romantic and happy, a bit over the top with two opp
Venus/PLuto (septile, conj.) romantic erotic, I love those septiles, soulmate
Mars/Saturn (sextile, quintile) marital erotic, playful and not rigid with the quintile
Mars/Neptune (opposite, sextile) erotic and perhaps romantic
Mars/Pluto (trine, conjunct) erotic

Jupiter/Saturn (trine, sextile) I love Jupiter and Uranus to Saturn soft aspects, harmony between expansion and restriction
Saturn/URanus (square, square) maybe this could get a bit difficult sometimes, but it looks like it's generational
Saturn/MC (quinktile, square) marital

Uranus/ASC (trine, sextile) dynamic and they don't get bored with each other
Pluto/ASC (square, square) intermittent change and transformation

NN/Vertex (conjunct, quintile) fated marker

Exceptional synastry in terms of aspects! Mars/Saturn comes up again. It looks like a dynamic relationship, but with a lot of romance/eroticism as well.

posted September 15, 2014 10:40 AM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
my brother and his girlfriend (together for 8 years)

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Impressive number of noviles, so interesting...I wonder how they 9th synastry or composite looks. Noviles should be marital, right? In a more spiritual sense.

Moon/Venus (novile, novile)
Moon/SN (conjunction, square wide)
Moon/DESC (sesisquare,c onj.)
Moon/MC (semisextile, square)
Moon/Vertex (sextile, conjunct)
I see a very strong soul/marital/intimate/romantic connection with this Moon

Sun/Saturn (trine, quintile)
Sun/NN (square, square)
Sun/ASC (novile, conjunction)
Sun/MC (sextile, square)
Sun/Vertex (septile, oppospite)
wow.., no wonder he felt compelled to be with her. marital, and lots of fate

Mercury/Mars (square, conjunction)
Mercury/NEptune (sextile, square)
Mercury/ Pluto (trine, septile)
Mercury/SN (novle, square)
a dynamic couple, mercury/neptune could also get very romantic

Venus/Jupiter (square, square wide)
Venus/Saturn (sextile, trine)
Venus/Uranus (trine, square)
Venus/Neptune (septile, sextile)
Venus/NN (sextile, trine)
Mars/NN (sextile, quintile)
Mars/Vertex (opp., sextile)
pretty much everything with Venus, so romance and love is definitely there

Jupiter/Vertex (sextile, septile)
this is nice, a lucky, expansive union with a lots of mutual learning perhaps

Neptune/NN (novile, opposite)
Neptune/Vertex (novile, square)
Pluto/SN (novile, sextile)
Pluto/ASC (opp., quintile)
Pluto/MC (quintile, sextile)
I see a lot of fate with Neptune and Pluto here, novile and the fated partner could be a good connection, I'm still working on noviles though, on their meaning in relationships. Pluto also suggests fate, but it's usually connected with relationship changing the previous life of the natives or with periodical change and transformation.

posted September 16, 2014 09:47 AM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
here is the list of a relationship that ended with a broken engagement (just to have one here of these that did not work out in the long run, though there was attraction)

Moon/Sun (sextile, sextile)
Moon/MErcury (sextile, sextile)
Moon/Mars (septile, septile)
Sun/Mars (opposite, quinkunx)
Sun/Jupiter (novile, trine)
Sun/NN (trine, sextile)
Sun/Vertex (sextile, semisquare)

Mercury7Mars (opp., quintile)
Mercury7Neptune /sextile, trine)
Mercury/ Pluto (conjunction, opposition)
Mercury/ASC (square, square)

(Mercury ruling both people`s 5th and 8th house- I suppose there was a lot of erotic and romantic attraction, but in the end it was not eanough to hold them together)

Venus/Mars (sesisquare, trine, though the sesisquare is 1.46 wide)

Venus/Uranus (square, novile wide)
Mars/Neptune (septile, trine)

(some might consider Mars semisquare SAturn 1.36, and Saturn opposite Mars 7.44)

Jupiter/Uranus (conj., conj)

Neptune / Vertex (trine, trine)
Pluto/ASC (square, square)
Pluto/Vertex (sextile, sextile)

NN/Vertex (quintile, sextile)

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How long have they been together?

Interestingly, no Saturn (apart from the wide opp). Did they have simple aspects with Saturn? or could it have been the Venus/Uranus square and the ineffable Moon/Mars aspects (which I guess should be a bit more down to earth)?

posted September 16, 2014 09:54 AM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
This particular listing would look like this for Mr Sag and me:

Moon/Sun (conjunct, septile)
Moon/URanus (sextile, square)
Moon/Pluto (novile, trine)
Sun/Saturn (novile, square)
Sun/Vertex (septile, square)

Mercury/Mars (conjunct, septile)
Mercury/Saturn (quintile, square)
Mercury/Neptune (conj., conj.)
Mercury/Pluto (sextile, sextile)
Mercury/AC (conj., square)
Mercury/MC (sextile, conj.)

Venus/Mars (septile, trine)
Venus/Jupiter (semisquare, trine)
Venus/NN (semisquare, trine)
Mars/Jupiter (opposition, square)
Mars/NN (square, square)

Jpuiter/Neptune (square, novile)

I adore especially his Jupiter trine my Venus and my Jupiter opposite his Mars. Love that. lol

Ruler of my 7th house conjuncts his MC (and Sun and Moon and Neptune).
Ruler of his 7th house conjuncts my ASC
(and Neptune and NN and Mars)

And probably some other things at play, but this was what I noticed.

EDIT:
rulerships:

his:
1st: Neptune (Jupiter), Mars
5th: Moon
7th: Mercury, Venus
8th: Pluto (Mars)

mine:
1st: Jupitr
5th: Venus
7th: Mercury
8th: Moon

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I love you Mercury DWs, with Mercury ruling 7th for both of you. I think it's one of the reasons you are attracted to people populating your ASC area and your Sun, because you have Sun conjunct 7th ruler, so it makes sense.

posted September 16, 2014 09:58 AM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I think all Dws to MC/IC have a strong potential for marital. It doesn't mean all relationships with MC/IC will turn into marriages, but for an already strong marital/romantic synastry, it does suggest that

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I agree with that.

If there is attraction at play, and atraction markers are there, it seems the MC-IC is actualy necessary to make it work over a longer time. it certainly helps algining two lives with each other.

posted September 16, 2014 10:01 AM              

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Originally posted by Delilah423:
I see that Ceri has posted an example of a broken engagement, but I don't want my hard work to go to waste, so here is another example of a relationship that did not work out. It was, however, my longest relationship, and we are still friends. We were together for 8 years (living together for 5 1/2 of those years).

I have not yet looked at any asteroids, and am not including DWs where at least one of the aspects is a squine, squile, novile, etc. I just don't have the patience/time to figure those all out manually, but I will say that means I'm eliminating at least 10 DWs by doing so. I'm including some wide orbs in case they may be relevant.

His 7th House Ruler: Neptune
My 7th House Ruler: Mercury
His Chart Ruler: Mercury
My Chart Ruler: Jupiter

Sun/Jupiter - conjunction(0), opposition(1)
Sun/Saturn - sextile (5), semisextile (3)
Sun/Pluto - semisextile (2), conjunction (8)

Moon square Moon (7)
Moon/Mercury - opposition (3), square (1)
Moon/Venus - opposition (3), square (0)
Moon/Jupiter - opposition (5), trine (9)
Moon/Neptune - quincunx (3), trine (3)
Moon/Pluto - quincunx (2), sextile (0)
Moon/Chiron - semisquare (2), opposition (2)

Mercury conjunct Mercury (5)
No DWs with planets except the Moon/Mercury above

Venus/Mars - quindecile (2), sextile (0)

Saturn/Jupiter - conjunction (8), square (8)
Saturn/Uranus - semisquare (0), quincunx (1)

Neptune/Chiron - trine (2), semisquare (1)

Chiron sextile Chiron (2)

ASC quintile ASC (1)
ASC/Moon - opposition both ways, (8) and (0)
ASC/Venus - quintile (1), conjunction (8)

Vertex trine Vertex (1)
Vertex/Mercury - sextile (1), opposition (5)

MC/Sun - semisextile (2), square (4)
MC/Mercury - conjunction (6), square (9)
MC/Venus - conjunction (0), square (7)
MC/Jupiter - conjunction (2), trine (1)

There are no DWs involving angles/nodes and his 7th House Ruler Neptune, unless I missed one. I got tired and maybe a little sloppy when I got to the angles/nodes.

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It looks like there's a lot of mutual friendship, an initial happy vibe and many intimate conversations in this relationships, is that so? Did he make you be very aware of yourself, your personality, a lot?

posted September 16, 2014 10:01 AM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
It's amazing how many DWs are in a solid synastry, isn't it?

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Yes, but of course we are using fairly generous orbs and many minor aspects, so it might be not that rare. Or let me put it this way I do not know what the average number is, with using orbs of 7 or 8 degrees for major aspecgts and also the quintile, biquintile, septile, biseptile, triseptile, novile, binovile, quadranovile, semisquare, sesisquare and so on.

Well that was the reason I only used those which were paired with a major aspect or of the same family.

Still, it is quite a lot possibilities.

Using just the ptolemaic aspects and quinkuxn, would probably change the frequency of double whammies.

posted September 16, 2014 10:07 AM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
How long have they been together?

Interestingly, no Saturn (apart from the wide opp). Did they have simple aspects with Saturn? or could it have been the Venus/Uranus square and the ineffable Moon/Mars aspects (which I guess should be a bit more down to earth)?

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A year maybe, not sure.

I also noticed the lack of Saturn-glue. And both charts were ruled by Saturn, sooo...

so maybe Saturn is very much needed, at least for Saturn-ruled people.

one way Saturn aspects:

sesisquare Moon 1.06
trine Lilith 0.24
conjunct Sun 0.40
square ASC 5.53
sextile Vertex 2.34
sesisquare Moon 0.34
conjunct Mercury 3.55
semisquare Venus 1.50
semisquare Mars 1.44
conjunct pluto 2.53
opposite Juno 2.36

square Lilith 1.58
quindecile Mercury 1.06
trine Juno 3.40

Uups, my bad they were having a SAturn/Juno-DW

posted September 18, 2014 10:13 AM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
As for aspects of my parent`s 7th rulers:

7th ruler to

- Venus (exact semisextile, trine)

- Uranus (square, square, one wide at 7 degrees)
- Pluto (sextile, exact septile)

- SN (novile, exact conjunction)

- 9th ruler (square, trine)

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Ceri, in your experience, would you say that the 7th ruler is more present in marital relationships (not only DWs) as compared to the 5th and 8th?

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posted September 18, 2014 01:21 PM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Ceri, in your experience, would you say that the 7th ruler is more present in marital relationships (not only DWs) as compared to the 5th and 8th?

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Yes. Definitely.

posted September 19, 2014 09:16 AM              

Sun Venus opp (5)/Moon Venus sesquis (1)/Moon Mars Q (0)

Sun/Neptune trine (5) square (5)

Sun/Pluto opp (3) semisextile (1)

Sun/MC square (0) sesquis (0)

Moon/Saturn trine (5) sextile (0)

Venus/Saturn trine (2) sesquis (0)

Mars/Saturn square (0) and (3)

Jupiter/ASC sextile (3) semisq (1)

interesting Jupiter/MC BQ 0, Jupiter/ASC BQ 0

Uranus/MC opp (5) semisq (0)

Neptune/Psyche sq (1)

Neptune/MC sextile (2)

NN/Lilith square 92) trine (4)

NN/Vesta conj (0) Q (0)

Ceres/Amor sesquis (0) square (1)

Ceres/Valentine trine (2) opp (0)

Juno/Vesta semisq (0) Q (0)

Juno/Eros sextile (0) Juno/Psyche sq (5), Juno/Amor opp (2)

Vesta/MC square (0) and (2)

Priapus/Amor sesquis (0) opp (4)

Eros/Union Q (0) Psyche/Union trine (1)

Lust/Valentine sextile (1) quincunx (0)

posted September 19, 2014 12:53 PM              

I think the pairs of the same harmonic are very interesting: they create or take part in more complex structures; plus the energy felt mutually will have the same vibration.

These are the DWs in my synastry, with a max of 5 orb. I listed the ones from the same harmonic at the end.

Sun opp Sun (1) Moon square Moon (1) Sun BQ Moon (1)

Sun sextile ASC (1) Moon sextile ASC (2)
Sun trine MC (5) Moon conj MC (0)
Moon semisq ASC (1)
Moon semisq MC (1)

Sun trine Lilith (2)
Moon sq Lilith (2)

Moon/Saturn trine (0) and semisq (1)

Jupiter/Uranus trine (5) sesquis (0)

Eros/Pluto trine (0) sesquis (0)
Psyche trine PLuto (2)
Cupido opp Pluto (2) Q (0)

NN/Ceres sextile (2) Q (0)

POF/Lust sq (3) Q (0)

Lilith/Vesta trine (1) Q (1)

Juno/Alma conj (2) sextile (3)

Vesta/Alma trine (3) opp (2)

Alma/Eros sextile (3) sq (2)

Eros/Karma Q (0) trine (3)

Psyche/Valentine trine (0) sq (4)

Union/Valentine conj (3) sextile (1)

Lust/MC trine (1) semisq (0)

DWs WITH THE SAME HARMONIC

Venus sq Mars (1)
Mars semisq Moon (0)

Venus opp Jupiter (5)
Mars sq Jupiter (4)
Mars quincunx Jupiter (0)

Venus square Neptune (3)
Venus sextile Neptune (0)
Mars opp Neptune (0)

Venus/Pluto trine (1) semisext (0)
also Mars/Pluto conj (5) trine (1) the same combo, diff harmonic

Mars/Valentine conj (2) sesquis (0)

Vertex/Uranus quincunx (0) sextile (1)

NN/Valentine quincunx (0) sextile (1)

Chiron/Alma conj (1) semisq (0)

Chiron/Karma semisext (0) sextile (1)

Vertex/Pallas quincunx (1) sextile (3)

Vertex/Union cnj (1) opp (4)

Pallas/Psyche conj (3)
Pallas opp Cupido (3)
Pallas quincunx Amor 91)

Vesta/Amor opp (1) semisq (1)

Alma/Eros sextile (3) sq (3)
Alma/Cuipdo sesquiqs (0)

Eros/Lust trine (2)
Cupido/Lust trine (2)
Psyche/Lust trine (1)

Eros/Valentine trine (2) and (3)

posted March 04, 2015 03:29 AM            

Sun conjunct SN (3) (4)
Sun square Jupiter (3);
Sun quincunx Jupiter (0)
Tropical Sun conjunct Valentine (1);
Draco Moon conjunct Valentine (3)
Moon square Neptune (4) (7)
Moon square Saturn (3);
Moon trine Saturn (1)
Venus conjunct Mars (0);
Venus quincunx Mars (3)
Venus trine Jupiter (4);
Venus sextile Jupiter (3)
Venus conjunct Uranus (5);
Venus trine Uranus (7)
Venus parallel Pluto (1); Mars trine Pluto (3)
Juno conjunct 7H cusp (1) (4)
Karma in 5H
Pluto conjunct 1H R (5);
Pluto trines 1H R (3)

Rulers:

His:

1st: Mars
5th: Sun
7th: Venus
8th: Pluto

Mine:

1st: Sun
5th: Jupiter
7th: Uranus
8th: Neptune