posted September 04, 2014 10:32 AM              

First of all, I must tell you I don't believe in universal scoresheets. The scoresheet must be customized. For example, we have a synastry with

Sun/Jupiter DW
Mercury/Uranus DW
MC ruler/something DW
6th ruler/something DW
Venus conjunct Venus
Mars conjunct Mars
etc.

suggesting a nice professional partnership/friendship
And we also have an Isis/Osiris DW for this pair. IMO, the Isis/Osiris or Eros/Psyche DW would never transform this relationship into a romantic combo if the planetary aspects do not suggest that. The energy of the mythical pair will be integrated/will serve the professional relationship (enhance the partnership vibe).

I want to do this with DWs because DWs say it all, they simplify the analysis, give a general verdict.

I believe we can identify four major dimensions of a quality romantic synastry. All of them are present in a strong synastry, but sometimes one or two of them prevail.

1. Marital Dimension - asteroids

3 Juno
4 Vesta
2 Pallas
1 Ceres
390 Alma
16 Psyche
1221 Amor
1585 Union
46 Hestia
1108 Demeter
37 Fides
3631 Sigyn
4059 Balder
1328 Devota
6353 Semper
446 Aeternitas
1943 Anteros
124 Alkeste
4950 House
306 Unitas
19029 Briede
5129 Groom
Cupido (h)
Zeus (h)

Marital Pairs:
201 Penelope/1143 Odysseus/5254 Ulysses
103 Hera/5731 Zeus
King(2305)-Queen(5457)
Groom(5129)-Briede(19029)
Adam (6461) - Eva (164)
Alkeste 124/Admetos 85030
Chiron Chariklo(10199)
Nefertiti(3199)-Amenhotep(4847)
Ariadne(43)-Dionysos(2063), Bacchus(3671)
Balder 4059/Nanna 1203

2. Romance Dimension - asteroids

447 Valentine
1221 Amor
763 Cupido
1585 Union
499 Venusia
7696 Liebe
433 Eros
16 Psyche
1943 Anteros
268 Adorea
109 Felicitas
Cupido (h)
Poseidon (h)

all the mythical couples (IMO, they have more of a romantic significance, rather than a marital one)

Mythical pairs (generally romantic)
Pluto-Persephone(26),Proserpina(399)**some use (504)Cora for Kore
Jupiter - Juno
103 Hera/5731 Zeus
Uranus Gaea(1184)
Eros 433 - Psyche 16
Adonis(2101)-Aphrodite(1388), Ishtar(7088), Innanen(3497), Astarte(672)
Chiron Chariklo(10199)
Adam (6461) - Eva (164)
Amphitrite (29)-Poseidon(4341)
Cyllarus(52975) Hylonome(10370)
Groom(5129)-Briede(19029)
King(2305)-Queen(5457)
Lancelot (2041)-Guinevere(2483)
Orpheus(3361)-Eurydike(75)
Ariadne(43)-Dionysos(2063), Bacchus(3671)
Paris(3317)-Helena (101)
Pyramus(88)-Thisbe(14871)
Pygmalion(96189)-Galatea(74)
Tristan(1966)-Isolda(211)
Nefertiti(3199)-Amenhotep(4847)
Osiris (1923)-Isis(42)
Ptah(5011)-Sekhemet(5381)
(Male)-- Siva (1170), Rudra (2629), Mahakala (10819), Shankar (22817), Hara (4640)
(Female)-- Kaali (4227), Tara (5863), Parvati (2847)
124 Alkeste/85030 Admetos
Soomana (Stargirl) and Sootyo (Starboy): 2433 and 2432
Endymion: 342/Selene: 580/Artemis: 105
Don Quixote 3552/Dulcinea 571
Odin 3989/Frigga 77
Thor (Donar) 2176/Sif 4484
Balder 4059/Nanna 1203
Siegfried 15147/Kriemhild 242
Casanova: 7328/Adelaide: 525

THANK YOU GABBY AND CERI FOR THE LIST

3. Eros/sexual Dimension - asteroids

433 Eros
4386 Lust
Lilith (astro)
1181 Lilit
the other Liliths
h22 Priapus
1388 Aphrodite
2101 Adonis
80 Sappho
4450 Pan
875 Nymphe
34 Circe
1009 Sirene
216 Kleopatra
344 Desiderata
562 Salome

For sacred sexuality:
4 Vesta
2 Pallas
193 Ambrosia
2815 Soma
12472 Samadhi
3671 Dionysus
2063 Bacchus

Erotic Mythical Pairs:
Adonis(2101)-Aphrodite(1388), Ishtar(7088), Innanen(3497), Astarte(672)
(Male)-- Siva (1170), Rudra (2629), Mahakala (10819), Shankar (22817), Hara (4640)
(Female)-- Kaali (4227), Tara (5863), Parvati (2847)
Ariadne(43)-Dionysos(2063), Bacchus(3671)

4. Fate Dimension - asteroids

3811 Karma
5145 Pholus
638 Moira
273 Atropos
97 Klotho
120 Lachesis
621 Werdandi
1130 Skuld
167 Urda
19 Fortuna
Admetos (h)
Apollo (h)
Kronos (h)

I think there are two types of DWs:

1. direct pairs

a) direct planetary/asteroid/angle pairs
ex. Sun trine Mercury, Sun conjunct Mercury
Sun/ASC DW
b) Mythical Pairs DWs
Orpheus/Eurydice DW
Pyramus/Thisbe DW
Chiron/Choriklo DW
etc

2. mixed (Yin/Yang) pairs

a) planetary/asteroid/angle mixed pairs
ex. Sun conjunct Juno, Moon sextile Juno
Venus conjunct Eros, Mars conjunct Psyche
Mars trine Neptune, Venus conjunct Neptune
Osiris sextile Sun, Isis square Moon
Sun/DSC, Moon/DSC
Venus/NN, Mars/NN

b) mixed pairs involving rulers
ex. Moon conjunct 5th ruler, Moon trine 5th ruler
Venus opp 7th ruler, Venus conjunct 5th ruler
Venus conjunct 8th ruler, Mars conjunct 8th ruler
Ceres trine 7th ruler, Ceres conjunct 5th ruler

Usually, when viewing a list of DWs, the strength of the synastry and its theme, stand out. So, if you want to take part in this analysis, PLEASE INCLUDE RULERSHIP.

Not only 5th, 8th, 7th rulers are important. For example, if we're referring to asteroids/planets in the "Eros/sexual dimension" if we have a DW between 2nd ruler/sexual planet or asteroid, it is definitely very significant for an erotic connection.

Perhaps general guidelines for a scoresheet will result from this analysis.

So what you have to do if you are interested in the subject:

list your planetary DWs (with rulership)
include DWs with angles, Vertex and nodes, direct and mixed
list your direct and mixed DWs for each Dimension group of asteroids (with rulership for planets)

NOTE: The trick is for you to identify the Yin/Yang/mixed DWs and then list the aspects you think qualify for a DW (for example with rulers). With asteroids, I'm only interested in DW

1. pair DW ex. Adam/Eva DW
2. direct DW between asteroid and planet/angle/ruler ex. Moon/Penelope DW
3. mixed DW (Yin/Yang) ex. Isis/ASC, Osiris DSC or Zeus conjunct ASC ruler, Hera conjunct DSC ruler

It's an extensive analysis, so you may choose the relevant asteroids for you. Two/four mythical pairs are enough to qualify for a strong romance (added to the planetary aspects). So I guess the FIRST STEP is to identify the Mythical Pairs figuring strongly in your synastry and their DWs. Take your time

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posted September 04, 2014 10:40 AM              

BTW I would add ARIADNE (43) to BACCHUS / DIONYSOS as a pair who performed the Sacred Marriage (sacred sexuality of course).

Also mythical pairings, well I see some of them as predominantly romantic (like Eros/PSyche), while others seem to be more on the marital end (Zeus/Hera); some of them are predominantly sensual/ erotic and concerned with sexuality (Adonis/Aphrodite or Venus), while for others the marital soulful dimension is strongest (Isis-Osiris as example).

And then there are some which seem to incorporate several stages (Pluto-Proserpina or Persephone for example; also Eros-Psyche).

btw you know what queston I HAVE to ask, right?
What orbs do you suggest for DW`s?

EDIT:
Also I personally add ARTHUR along with LANCELOT to GUINEVERE.

Lancelot might be Hollywood`s preferred choice, Arthur is mine. (th easteroid is on my Sun/Moon-mp exact. lol).

No seriously, I see one of the challenges for Guinevere that she actually loved both, in very different ways though.

Of course I am VERY biased knowing that Mr Sags Arthur conjuncts my Guinevere.
(funny enough Jude Law`s Lancelot opposes my Guinevere exact. lol).

Interesting, too that the figure of LANCELOT was only later introduced into the story. I wonder if that had to do with the gradual downgrading and weakening of the feminine archetype in society?
I mean in the very beginning she was the feminine part of the Sacred marriage between the King (Arthur) and the land (usually a high priestess, but here Guinevere). A ritual VERY old, and said to bestow prosperity onto the land.

And then at some point they started to introduce the adulterous twist.
It is interesting on its own. lol

posted September 04, 2014 11:00 AM              

With DWs, we must be a little bit more generous. (general maximum orbs: for conjunction, opp, square and trine - up to 10 if the other aspect is close, for minors - max 2, preferably 1)

Planet/planet and planet/angle
up to 10 for conjunction, opposition, square and trine if the other aspect is close (max. 4)

app. 5-6 orb for the rest of the aspects depending on the aspect(for example if you have a Venus conjunct Mars (2) and Venus square Mars (6), of course this is a DW)

For nodes/vertex: max 5 everything

For aspects involving asteroids: maximum 5 (depending on the aspect)if the other aspect is close (under 3) - for example, if you have Isis trine Osiris (2) and Isis opp Osiris (5) we can't ignore this as a DW, because it is rare. General orb for configurations involving asteroids: max 3.

EDIT: but I prefer you list the orbs, if you think you have an aspect, maybe you have an important mdp config, that's when the case-by-case factor comes into play.

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posted September 04, 2014 11:14 AM              

quote:

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Ceri, do you think he is the rightful pair of Alkeste? I think it should be.

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Yes, I prefer the asteroid to the hypothetical object, cause they are both asteroids.

posted September 04, 2014 11:16 AM              

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posted September 04, 2014 11:28 AM              

and for our astral lovers how about?

Endymion: 342
Selene: 580
Artemis: 105

oh and

Don Quixote 3552
Dulcinea 571

and like usual we forget the Norse ones

Odin 3989
Frigga 77

Thor (Donar) 2176
Sif 4484

Balder 4059
Nanna 1203

Siegfried 15147
Kriemhild 242

Also for those who want to check:

Casanova: 7328
Adelaide: 525

posted September 04, 2014 12:09 PM              

his Proserpina trine my Pluto (1)
his Pluto sextile my Proserpina (0)

(interesting, too:
his DNA conjunct my Proserpina, and my DNA conjunct his Pluto)

his Penelope biquintile my Ulysses exact
his ODyseus conjunct my Penelope (2)

his Mahalingam conjunct my Sati exact
his Sati conjunct my Mahalingam (1)
(from the vedic pairs thread, I forgot the number though)

also

his Siva quinkunx my parvati (1)
his Rudra trine my Tara (1)
his Kaali square my Rudra (1)
his Tara quinkunx my Mahakala (2)

his Nofretete square my Amenhotep (1)
his Echnaton square my Nofretete exact
(our Nofretetes are conjunct as well).

Nofretete 1068 - other name for Nefertiti, and in fact more known here in Germany for some weird reason
Echnaton another name of Amenhotep

his Ariadne opposite my Bacchus (2)
his Bacchus sextile my Ariadne (2)

his Adonis sesisquare my Ishtar (1)
his Ishtar square my Adonis (1)

and his Isis quinkunx my Osiris (1)
his Osiris square my Isis (3)

Not double whammies, but I found these interesting as well.

his Admetos conjunct his own Valentine, and on the antiscion of my Alkeste

his Arthur conjunct my Guinevere

and
his Casanova conjunct my Adelaide

posted September 04, 2014 12:15 PM              

quote:

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I love Don Quixote/ Dulcinea

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Me, too.

My mom gave me the chidlren`s book when I was going onto my first classtrip from home (9 years old) I was so homesick, but this books stayed with me and fascinated me.

And many years later, it would be the first musical I saw my first musical crush in (after years of not knowing about him existing actually. it was so odd I was crushing on someone who I had not even seen. Just saw a pic of him and heard his voice, well, I heard his voice, and I could LITERALLY hear a bell ringing, and it felt like something BIG was starting. And it was. It was the defining moment of my life as a matter of fact.
Much of what followed might have been delusion and fantasy, but it, he, put me on this journey that led me here, spiritual awakening, dark night of the soul, it all began with him.

It is so weird actually to think about that it was also HIM who was the catalyst for me meeting Mr SAg.
So funny this life.

Anyway, the very first time I saw him in real life on stage was when he was playing Don Quixote. And though it is been 20 years ago, actually EXACTLY 20 years, I still remember that moment when I came back from the interval and he was already walking up and down on stage, and looking at me when I walked through that door, and well, it is strange to be able to remember a moment of 20 years ago so vividly, but i do.

Yeah, that is MY Don Quixote story.

BTW Don Quixote is conjunct my Sun/Moon-mp, Avx and opposing my Destinn exact in my chart.

Dulcinea is conjunct my Uranus (and opposing this man`s Venus. lol)

posted September 04, 2014 12:17 PM              

quote:

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Great additions, Ceri!

BTW, there may be a lot of aspects, so try to focus on Yin/Yang pairs and important DWs, like Sun/Vesta, Venus/Juno/Mars/Juno etc. And focus on asteroid aspects with Sun/Moon, Venus/Mars, angles, love rulers.

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posted September 04, 2014 12:23 PM              

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I would add Saturn, Pluto, Chiron, Pholus and the Nodes to these as well.
Just for the karmic thingies. lol

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Absolutely Anyway, they will stand out if you check the pdf "Additional tables", you will notice if you have a Vesta/Saturn DW, or a Zeus/Sun, Zeus/Moon DW, for instance. It's a good start to check those tables, you will most likely discover DWs you didn't know they existed.

posted September 04, 2014 12:24 PM              

It was this last year that he was taking over/ playing BOTH roles on stage, Arthur and more currently Casanova.

And ARthur for him is on 11.40 Cap
Casanova on 11.26 Cap

And where is pluto transiting currently?
11.04 Capricorn!

In fact TODAY, it is joined by Moon as well. lol

He also has:

ORPHEUS 8.57 Cap
HARA 10.08 Cap
BACCHUS 10.31 Cap

posted September 04, 2014 12:27 PM              

quote:

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Absolutely Anyway, they will stand out if you check the pdf "Additional tables", you will notice if you have a Vesta/Saturn DW, or a Zeus/Sun, Zeus/Moon DW, for instance. It's a good start to check those tables, you will most likely discover DWs you didn't know they existed.

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checking tables - now THAT is an odd idea.
thanks, I usually do that manually (or in my own head).

posted September 04, 2014 12:40 PM              

quote:

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
It's true, they only list quintile/biquintile/4th harmonics and they miss some of the sextiles or other aspects and they don't list many aspects between asteroids, but it is a start to identify connections to Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, angles, they usually list those for all asteroids.

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posted September 04, 2014 12:44 PM              

his Chiron trine my GUINEVERE (0)
my Chiron opposite his LANCELOT (3)

posted September 04, 2014 12:46 PM              

quote:

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Another NOTE: when you check your Mythical Pairs also list if you have an important aspect of that pair in the Composite. A major aspect there substitutes for a DW in the synastry.

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In fact most of the times a composite aspect is the result of a synastric DW (it does not always have to be an aspect even; but the planets will be equidistant from each other).

The other possibility is that two people have the same natal aspect, then it can also come up as composite aspect.

In fact it would probably make sense to start with the composite and work backwards from there.

Of course this is only true with direct DW`s. not the ones made by another planet. Like in the Chiron-Guinevere-Lancelot example.

Chiron is important for us anyway, as he has natally Chiron trine his Mars-Jupiter-Amor (and sextile his Eros), which makes a trine with my Venus.

So a GT in Earth

Chiron-Venus (3)
Mars-Venus (4)
Jupiter-Venus (4)
Amor-Venus (2)

Maybe a tad wide on the orb side, but hey, I am definitely still there.

my Chiron on the other hand is exactly trine my own CUPIDO (and sextile ATROPOS),
and trines his Neptune-CUPIDO on my Proserpina.

Neptune - Chiron (0)
Neptune - Cupido (0)
Cupido - Chiron (1)
Cupido - Cupido (1)

With our DNAs involved (his DNA trine my Cupido, and my DNA sextile his Cupido, all linked to our Pluto-proserpina-Atlantis-theme).

oh and Chiron is part of several Yods in the synastry.

posted September 04, 2014 01:32 PM              

These are my Mythical Pairs:

Zeus/Hera DW (sextile and quintile)
composite Zeus sextile Hera (3) (marital pair)

Pluto/Proserpina DW (conjunction, semisextile)
composite Cora trine Pluto (3) (romantic pair)

Uranus/Geea DW (trine, quindecile) (romantic/marital pair)

Bacchus/Ariadne (trine, same sign)
Bacchus/Ariadne sextile (comp) (marital/erotic pair)

Helena/Paris (quincunx and trine)
Helena biquintile Paris (0) (comp)(romantic pair)

Tristan/Isolda (quincunx and biquintile)
Thisbe/Pyramus (sextile and semisquare)
I should have guessed
(romantic and tragic pairs lol)

Sekhmet/Ptah DW (sextile and square)(romantic pair)

Siva/Kaali DW (sextile and opp)
Siva trine Kaali 92) (comp)(romantic/erotic pair)

Nanna/Balder (square and quincunx)
Nanna/Balder trine (6) (comp)(marital pair)

Adonis/Innana DW (sesquisquare and quincunx)
Adonis/Astartee DW (sesquisquare and quindecile)
Adonis/Astartea quindecile (comp)(romantic/erotic pair)

Amenhotep opp Nefertiti (comp)

What about yours?

What is with Starboy and Stargirl, BTW?