posted August 14, 2006 06:32 PM              

You can easily black out the ID number, or any other personal info on anything scanned in.

Geneologists say 90% of the people who think they have Indian heritage, find that they don't.

Many times a black relative in the bloodline was passed off as "Indian" because that was seen as slightly less of a stigma.

The term "Indian Princess" was a derrogitory term for a light skinned black girl.

Get an admixture DNA test. That'll tell you if you really have indian blood. Don't be disappointed.

posted August 14, 2006 07:19 PM            

That said, I also have Native American/American Indian blood in me, and yes, it's the much-lauded Cherokee. Members of my extended family have proof of it, but I wouldn't go running to them so that I can scan that proof, just so those of you so bothered by such claims could sleep at night.

posted August 14, 2006 07:22 PM              

I wouldn't believe anything a white settler wrote about an Indian, any more than I'd believe what a Nazi wrote about a Jew.

Both were comitting a Genocide, and would tell whatever lie necessary to justify it.

The same way you lie about being a Indian, to justify your racist remarks.

posted August 14, 2006 07:28 PM              

Where did you get your information that 90% of people who think they are of Native American heritage are not?

I have seen Pidaua's picture in another thread and it is obvious just by physical appearance that she is not some little "white" girl who sticks feathers on her head and pretends to be a Native American. That is REALLY presumptuous by the way.

posted August 14, 2006 07:36 PM              

This is the PERFECT example of what I was talking about.

The whites started scalping the Indians FIRST.

They would pay people reward money for killing an Indian, and you had to bring in the scalp as proof.

You got something like
50 Cents Male Indian scalp
25 cents female Indians scalp
10 cents for the scalp of an Indian child.

Many MEXICANS were shot and killed by whites so they could cash in on their scalps.

The Indians had no idea why the whites were scalping them, and assumed it was some sort of war trophy. So they began doing the same.

posted August 14, 2006 08:38 PM            

It is obvious you are ignorant to the real history of America and what Tribes did to each other all the time.

The Comanche was actually solicited by the Spanish government to kill the Apache and bring back the scalp for payment as the Spanish were sick and tired of the Apache raiding their lands that they had already taken from the Mexicans.

The Comanche, often the victim of raids by various bands of Apache, didn't blink twice and not only killed Apache's but dark haired white people AND Mexicans in order to get money for the scalps.

Often times Apache bands would massacre villages of Mexicans, kill the men and absorb the women / children. Many children that were kidnapped an absorbed into the tribe never wanted to leave.

This is ALL documented in the history books and you may want to educate yourself by reading books like Indeh or The Apache. You're narrowmind view that all American Indian tribes were peaceful and never comitted an atrocity demonstrates your lack of intelligence and your overall racist, narrow minded views.

As I told you, I WILL NEVER scan my information onto the internet. As to genetic testing, you have no idea if I have already done it. My ex husband was the head of the DNA lab in one county and built the second on in another county. I have had my family tree documented, genetically, from my grandmother (on both sides) to my brother and I.

If you know so much about American Indians and DNA testing, you twit, you would know that the Apache have the most genetically diverse blood line of all the tribes. More than likely from the atrocities committed while raping, killing, gutting and absorbing people into the tribe.

Where you get off thinking my honesty is somehow racist is beyond me, but that is how intellectual gnats often act. It would be like a German person denying that Germans did anything wrong because it was all of a sudden "politically incorrect".

You are a complete imbecile to ask me to post my information on here, as though you are worthy of me proving my bloodline. You are just some insolent little voice on the internet that has read one too many American Indian books on love and light, most likely written by someone that changed their name to "Wolf Weaver" or "Starhawk" as they had now been called after living on the Rez for two weeks.

Give me a damn break- you know NOTHING about my people and NOTHING about the strain, economic depravity and overall abuse on the reservations.

You either a) live in a fantasy world or b) dropped too many peyote hits with your little band of "enlightened" fools that pretend to give a damn about the socio-economics of the American Indian.

And for your information Missy... the term Indian NOT used for the tribes - it is actually in reference to people from India.

Here is a quote from Cochise.. tell me if now you want to call the Tribal literature keepers liars too:

Quotes from Cochise

"When I was young I walked all over this country, east and west, and saw no other people than the Apaches. After many summers I walked again and found another race of people had come to take it. How is it?

We were once a large people covering these mountains. We lived well: we were at peace. One day my best friend was seized by an officer of the white men and treacherously killed. At last your soldiers did me a very great wrong, and I and my people went to war with them.

The worst place of all is Apache Pass. There my brother and nephews were murdered. Their bodies were hung up and kept there till they were skeletons. Now Americans and Mexicans kill an Apache on sight. I have retaliated with all my might.

My people have killed Americans and Mexicans and taken their property. Their losses have been greater than mine. I have killed ten white men for every Indian slain, but I know that the whites are many and the Indians are few. Apaches are growing less every day.

Why is it that the Apaches wait to die -- That they carry their lives on their fingernails? They roam over the hills and plains and want the heavens to fall on them. The Apaches were once a great nation; they are now but few, and because of this they want to die and so carry their lives on their fingernails.

I am alone in the world. I want to live in these mountains; I do not want to go to Tularosa. That is a long way off. I have drunk of the waters of the Dragoon Mountains and they have cooled me: I do not want to leave here.

Nobody wants peace more than I do. Why shut me up on a reservation? We will make peace; we will keep it faithfully. But let us go around free as Americans do. Let us go wherever we please."

Did ya get that Berry? An admission to killing whites... I won't even go into detail about our sister tribes...

But I will tell you this.. my Indian friends and those from other tribes that have met me throughout my travels in the country have all addressed me as "sister" ask your friends what that means in reference to a greeting from one American Indian to another..

When I went to a NE Tribal powwow and a vendor asked me my tribe- obviously knowing it was SW as all tribes have a specific look- I was said to tell him Apache, because of what our people are known to have done.

Why would anyone pick a tribe that was known for stealing horses, killing, stealing food and goods and pillaging our neighbor tribes.

posted August 14, 2006 08:50 PM            

I know Pid doesn't need my help here, but maybe you'd like to take a look at these LL Photoshop pics and think about your accusations.....

posted August 14, 2006 08:53 PM            

If it is good enough for me to be told by perfect strangers to go back to my damn reservation and go poach some salmon (those fools didn't get the right tribe) or for some obnoxious men in New Jersey tell me they though they got rid of my kind and chanced our "red" a$$es out West.. or hell, how about the time on the Oregon Coast when I was told the restaurant (empty and no one on the reservation book) was "sold out" because they were ANGRY over the Casinos or how about having a good ole boy walk all the way across a restaurant, granted a perfect stranger, while I was with WHITE people, pass me and say "fu*ck you pocohontas".

So..if I have been unfortunate enough to put up with that BS from strangers I doubt I will ever have to prove my face or lineage to you.

One more thing Berry..

posted August 14, 2006 10:52 PM              

I think the fact that Pidua has a father who is half Native American means she also must have had a grandmother or grandfather who was full blood Native American so she should know her Native American heritage without having a tribal ID card to prove it. I am certain that like myself she has pictures of her great grandparents or at least her grandparents. Not all Native Americans or those who are part Native American have ID cards, Berry. Some don't request them as most of us part Native Americans have lived our lives away from the reservations and some of us away from our tribal states.

I never considered getting a DNA blood test to see if I am part Native American because I knew my grandmother who lived just outside of Cherokee Territory in Wewoka, Okla. all of her life and who talked to me about her people. I also have pictures of her mother, my great grandmother, who was full blood Cherokee. Yes, Cherokee is my tribe and the reason that you hear so many people say they are part Cherokee is because the Cherokee's were not just a tribe. There were so many Cherokees that they are one of the groups of Native Americans who are a NATION, not just a tribe. In fact today there are still more Souix and Cherokees than any other American Indians. Both are called Nations.

Not all Native Americans are darked skinned. Some are lighter skinned than others. So you cannot judge by the shade of the skin whether one is part Native American or not. One of the past chiefs of the Cherokee Nation who was full blood Cherokee was light skinned and had blue eyes. Cherokees intermarried with Whites more frequently than other Indians because of their light skin and because they were one of the first Native Americans groups that lived amongst the white man and farmed. They never lived in tee-pees either. They always built houses and they furnished their houses with things they traded the white man for in return for furniture. Early on they wore the same clothes as the whites did and they were the first Native Americans to have their own alphabet and their own college. Cherokees had houses, furniture, farmed and dressed like the whites and had their own alphabet before the Trail of Tears. After they were relocated they built their own colleges that were so advanced that the white settlers around them sent their kids to those colleges instead of white colleges.

The Cherokees feel that if you are only a small part Cherokee you are one of them. I don't know for sure exactly how much Cherokee blood that I have because my mom was at least a quarter Cherokee but my dad was also part Cherokee. I never bothered to trace it either because in my heart where it really counts I am Cherokee first and foremost. My relatives moved off the reservation when my great mother married a white man. My grand mother lived near it but she never lived on the reservation. That does not make her any less Cherokee.

Most Native Americans have assimilated with the whites and we all blend into society. But we don't forget our heritage and we are proud to be any part of it. We don't really have to have a tribal ID card to prove our heritage anymore than someone does to prove they are Irish, German or anything else.

Rainbow might have an ID card because she still lives on the reservation in Michigan.

Anyone here who is Irish or German or some other nationality have an ID card to prove it? lol

Edited to say: Yeah, Pidaua it was always good enough for me to be called a " damn half-breed."

posted August 14, 2006 11:18 PM              

There is a whole lot of things about the whole history of it that was not correctly written but has come out over the past few years.

Berry since you brought up this fact that geologists say that 90% of those who claim Native American ancestry are misinformed about their heritage I think you owe it to us to submit the proof of that statement with the article you read regarding that. I mean if we have to have an ID card or a blood test to prove we are Native American you should at least be willing to offer proof of that statement. Right?

posted August 15, 2006 09:46 AM              

Edit - I have a little Blackfoot, Dutch, English, and African American.

Ancestry background proved it.

Which I found very amusing since I have a (close-minded) distant relative that is somewhat racist and still refuses to believe it.

My family's skin tones/features range from white to a more Native American appearance.

I have no I.D. cards to prove anything.

I do have olive skin, brown naturally curly hair and green eyes though.

posted August 15, 2006 08:27 PM            

Mirandee, Dulce and others- thank you for not only defending me, but so many others that share our heritage.

I do have quite a number of pics of my family- when I go to visit my grandmother I will take a few pics of her and post them. I won't post any of my father- he is just newly retired from an undercover law enforcement position and I don't feel comfortable doing that yet- but someday I will.

I would have posted earlier, but I had to finish a mound of paperwork LOL...

Take care Knowflakes

posted August 15, 2006 08:39 PM            

I agree that there are racists in every group. I read crap about how the people in India are so spiritual and that they would love to live there. But they have people there that treated like untouchables because they are very dark. I am tired of black racists as much as white racists.

BerrySweet...or should I say BerrySour comes across very ignorant in regards to mixed people. There are a lot of people that look White that actually have black ancestry,asian ancestry,and/or native american ancestry.

I am mixed Black,Portuguese,English,German,French,Italian,Puerto Rican,Native American,and Jewish.

My mother told me in 2001 when I returned home on leave from graduating bootcamp that my face fulled out and that I look native American with my high cheekbones. She told me that my father's mother was mixed with Native American - Cherokee.

With my mixture, I have been perceived as numerous ethnic types:

Black/Mexican mix
Black/White
Portuguese
Spanish
Puerto Rican or some other hispanic
Pacific Islander
Arabic
Indian
Black/Oriental

posted August 15, 2006 08:51 PM            

My boyfriend is from Puerto Rico where there was probably once Tainos (the Natives of that Island-although they probably got absorbed into Spanish culture), there were Africans, and the Spainards. He is very light and is often mistaken for Portuguese or Italian. His brother on the other hand "looks" like the stereotype of a Puerto Rican; he is very tan.

posted August 15, 2006 09:15 PM              

I know how you feel Lg, my mum’s a total bible-basher. In fact her whole family is. I get lectured so often by relatives I always said I’d run away from them all and become a Buddhist monk - that’s still on my to-do list