posted August 18, 2006 11:33 PM            

I love your tattoo and unicorn!! Let's go back to FFA's purty pics (see page 40)

posted August 19, 2006 02:24 AM              

What do you base that on?

If you read any of my links you would know, both geneticists and genealogists find that 90% of people are mistaken about their family history.

Their blond, blue-eyed, "German" grandfather turns out to be from Sweden.

Their red headed, hot tempered, "Irish" grandfather turns out to be from Spain.

Looking is just making a guess. That guess is more often than not, wrong.

posted August 19, 2006 02:30 AM              

The gathered a group, and had them write down what races they thought they had in them, according to family folklore.

Then, they took a DNA sample from each.

posted August 19, 2006 03:39 AM              

This is one P*ssed off Twinkie hating Indian: http://members.tripod.com/TopCat4/101description.htm

You might be a twinkie if...

you don't know what a 'twinkie' is.

you think 'twinkie' is a name brand of golden sponge cake.

it embarrasses you to be seen in the company of real Indians, so you'd rather hang out with twinkies like yourself.

Twinkies and Merchandise: you might be a twinkie if...

you have a plastic 'Indian headdress' hanging from your rear view mirror.

you have a dream catcher hanging from your rear view mirror.

you haven't noticed that your 'Indian jewelry' is stamped 'made in Thailand'.

you own many 'Indian art objects', but you have never been to a powwow.

you have a Nativity scene featuring a tipi and Indians in regalia.

you own collector plates featuring men with rippling muscles, feathers, and prostrate maidens.

you bought the collectible Barbie (tm) 'with authentic Native costume'.

you send greeting cards with images of Noble Red Men on them.

you want to get a "cool Native American tattoo".

you had your brother-in-law airbrush a big eagle on the tailgate of your pickup truck and you're not a Harley fan.

you bought the soundtrack to Disney's Pocahontas and sing along.

you wear the purple suede fringed miniskirt with knee high moccasins to a powwow and wonder why no one likes it.

your mother gave you a T-shirt with a picture of a scantily-clad woman petting a wolf for your birthday.

you wear plastic chokers to honor Native Americans.

you bought 'genuine Indian moccasins' that were made in a factory in Minnesota.

you have 'Native American scent' air freshener in your car.

you have never stood next to a dancer after five hours of powwow in the hot sun and therefore think 'Native American scent' is something you want to have in your car.

Twinkies and Names: You might be a twinkie if...

you gave all your dogs 'authentic Native American names'.

you named your dog, cat, or hamster for a famous Native American.

you want to know where to apply to get your 'Indian name'.

you had a dream in which you discovered your 'true name' is 'Spirit of the Red Wolf Who Runs with Crystals'.

you ask complete strangers for advice on naming your kids.

your mother gave you an Indian name, but it never occurred to you to ask her what it meant until it was too late.

Twinkies and Heritage: You might be a twinkie if...

you butchered a sheep while trying to shear it during your last visit with your "Navajo" grandma.

your great-grandmother was a 'Cherokee princess'.

your great-grandfather was a Cherokee princess, too.

feeling left out, you made up your own tribe.

you are one third Native American.

you want to know what tribe you're related to, but have no intention of actually doing the genealogy to figure it out.

you ask the Internet to tell you who you're related to instead of asking your relatives.

you think you should get in free to a powwow because you have 'Indian blood'.

you get defensive and evasive if anybody questions your Native credentials.

the framed picture of your great-great-great-granddaddy is really of a "chief" that you tore out of your high school history book.

you're the grandson of Tecumseh--you can remember sitting on his knee.

you are the great, great, great, great, grandson of Tecumseh (putting the number of his offspring at 24,473--more than the entire population of the Shawnee tribe today).

you didn't know that Tecumseh was Shawnee.

Twinkies and History: you might be a twinkie if...

you think Dances with Wolves is a great movie.

you're proud of the fact that you can name 'all five Indian tribes'.

your idea of a tribal dance is a ballet.

you wonder why that abalone shell has holes in the bottom.

you have no idea if the headband you're wearing was intended for a man or a woman.

your fur coats are all store bought.

you love Native American jewelry, but make it 'more attractive' by adding 'your own personal touches'.

you think militant Indians are 'a disgrace to the red race', but you just adore Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse.

when you see a person in traditional Native American dress, you pat your mouth and make 'woo woo' noises.

you admire Chief Joseph for what he said, but you're not sure what he did.

you call the Sioux people 'Lakota'--even the Dakota and Nakota.

when you meet a man with a mohawk, you assume he must be a punk rocker.
you have a mohawk--and you're female.

Twinkies and Spirituality: you might be a twinkie if...

you offered me a 'talking feather'.

you write in a stilted, poetic, formal English that sounds like a Victorian author putting words into the mouth of a Noble Savage character in a dime novel.

your 'Indian Spirit Guide' only speaks English.

you joined the Nuage tribe.

you just adore Mary Summer Rain.

you tell everyone how proud and humble and honored you are to carry a pipe.

you've been studying Native American spirituality for three months and are now ready to lead a sweat.

you're only interested in 'the good parts' of Native spirituality.

you were 'an Indian princess' in a former life.

you were 'a medicine man' in a former life.

you built a sweat lodge using instructions you found online.

you think that the hair on your back qualifies you to be a skinwalker.

you chose to leave the city and live on a mountain in a cabin with no running water.

you think all Native Americans spend their days communing with Mother Nature.

you bought a medicine bag, but you don't know what's in it.

you willingly pay $300 for an 'authentic sweat' with a plastic shaman.

you walk up to strange Indian women and ask them to bless your beads.

you had a sudden impulse to drive non-stop across America to the Black Hills--and you don't even know anyone out there.

you think the Black Hills are the only sacred Native site in America.

you're a shaman, and all your friends are shamans too.

you use words like 'squaw', 'buck', 'berdache', and 'shaman,' and wonder why people are mad at you.

Twinkies and Modern Native Culture: You might be a twinkie if...

you don't know who Leonard Peltier is.

you thought a powwow sounded like a great place to work on your tan, so you wore your swimsuit.

you don't drive a rez rocket.

you don't know what a "rez rocket" is.

your car is not made out of equal parts Bondo and duct tape.

you don't have at least something wrong with your car.

you have never mended your underwear, hemmed a dress, repaired a car, or made art objects out of duct tape.

you have to go and find some scissors to open your package with.

you don't have at least 4 feet of baling wire in the trunk of your car.

you think apples are for eating.

you've never been to a 49.

you've never woken up with a houseful of strangers fixing themselves breakfast, eating your bacon, and calling you 'cousin'.

you don't know what a CDIB card is, and wouldn't qualify for one even if you did.

you refer to a drum as a 'tom tom'.

you think 'heya heyaya' is 'the Indian word for God', because it's in all the songs.

your bumper sticker has a quote from Chief Seattle on it, instead of AIM.

when you meet 'a real Indian!', you hold your hand out like a stop sign and say, "How!"

you can remember 'that Indian guy who cried in the ecology commercial', but you don't know his name.

you want people to call you 'Chief', even though you are not the leader of a fire department, police department, or a tribe.

you call a shinny stick a 'LaCrosse stick'.

you've never used an outhouse.

you selected 'wallpaper with Indians, horses, and tipis' for your son's bedroom.

you've never heard of fry bread.

you won't eat fry bread because it has too much fat in it.

you've never eaten commodity cheese.

you've never used commodity cheese as a doorstop.

you hang Indian corn on your front door instead of eating it.

you've never eaten 'slow elk'--you're sure you'd remember if you had!

when served 'Indian steak', you complain, "Hey, this is bologna!"

roadkill makes you go 'Ew!' instead of 'Hey, new regalia!'

you don't know how many drummers it takes to screw in a light bulb.

HHOS: you might be a twinkie if...

you get annoyed if people are late.

you desperately want to date a Native American person.

you once mistook an Italian man for a Sioux chief.

you say, "You don't look like an Indian" to an Indian (or if you think all Indians look like Geronimo).

somebody asks a question about Native American culture, and you make up your own answer.

you interrupt an elder to tell them they're wrong because a history book you read said so.

you signed a petition protesting the slaughter of buffalo, yet you drop your trash on the ground.

you're a man, but you don't have footprints on your back from your woman walking all over you.

you have no idea why Native people laugh hysterically when they see you on the street.

you believe that 'freedom of expression' gives you the right to poke your nose into matters that don't concern you.

you ask a question, then argue with the answer.

last year you were into Buddhism, the year before that you were a witch, and the year before that you were a member of Greenpeace.

you got interested in Native culture from watching Star Trek.

you think it's an honor to Native Americans that Jeep named a sport utility vehicle after them.

none of your relatives has diabetes.

you think Native Americans should put up with your crap because after all "we're all related".

you feel sorry for the poor Native Americans who are so benighted they can't understand that you're right.

when entering an argument with a Native American, you attack their method of expression, instead of the points they have to make.

you exhort us to unite and work together and get along with each other--as if nobody had ever thought of this (obvious) idea before.

you have to have the last word every single time.

you think Indians have no sense of humor.

you think this list isn't funny.

you can't see that you are funny.

posted August 19, 2006 04:39 AM            

She's really pathetic.

posted August 19, 2006 05:50 AM              

It's people like you, Leyla, who spew hatred that are the real problem.

posted August 19, 2006 06:18 AM            

And maybe because I don't have any historical information to contribute.

Also, my subjective experiences would most likely expose me as a "twinkie" since clearly my personal viewpoint would seemingly mean nothing based on the above rant by the aforementioned "twinkie"-hating Native American/Indian, or Leyla for that matter.

Maybe this means that all the Native Americans/Indians with whom I am friends are laughing at me behind my back. I'm glad to finally know the truth. In fact, maybe I should ask them to show me their ID just to make sure that I've been hanging out with REAL Native people. LOL

But despite all this (and regardless of the fact that I'm about as white as white gets) I still managed to find Leyla's incessant need to not only be right, but to create racial issues where none seemingly existed, to be terribly annoying. And after chilling out with my friend and a bottle of wine for three hours, that's saying something.

I guess I will now shamefully go and throw out my copy of Dances with Wolves.

Wow.

posted August 19, 2006 02:12 PM            

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See, dumb@ss: http://www.seminoletribe.com/
The front cover of the tribe's web page...

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posted August 19, 2006 05:12 PM              

Pid~Don't waste precious time on VerryShi!!
and and her ignoramous sidekick. Simply refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.

Personally, from what I've read in your posts on LL, you sound like an intelligent and beautiful person on the inside. As for your looks, I think you are stunning and should forget the princess cr@p and go for QUEEN!!!

posted August 19, 2006 05:37 PM            

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Simply refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.

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posted August 20, 2006 11:47 AM            

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The three wise men that followed the star were astrologers.

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Priests called mobeds or magi (see Magi) oversee Zoroastrian rites. The magi originally formed a priestly clan among the Medes, an ancient Iranian tribe (see Media). The magi adopted Zoroastrianism after the religion spread widely among the ancient Iranians. The magi entered Christian belief as the wise men from the East who journeyed to Bethlehem after the birth of Jesus.

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The following is from: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/p_greetham/wisemen/wmsoc4.html

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4: Were the Magi astrologers?

Some Bible translators such as the New English Bible or its new version, the Revised English Bible, translate 'Magi' as 'astrologer'. Is this a good translation? I don't believe that it is. It gives the modern reader a totally false picture of what the Magi did. Modern Astrologers choose to adopt a system of prediction, regardless of our present knowledge of science. The Magi, on the other hand, were interested in all verifiable knowledge. Of course they did not have sufficient understanding of the universe to realise fully the links between one event and another. Therefore they saw nothing wrong in bringing together, science, poetry, art and religion to explain and to understand the universe and what was happening in it. To them observing nature - including charting the stars, noting the movements of other objects and making predictions based on the chart, were all one and the same. Today we have a better understanding. Today we would say that observing the night's sky was astronomy because it was recording observation which could be used to support (or not support) theories to explain what was happening. We would also say that making horoscopes from those observations was astrology because it was responding to a system of handed down 'laws'. In other words astronomy uses observation to refine ideas, astrology uses observation to respond to fixed ideas. To the Magi, however, the idea that the positions of stars and planets have special meaning was not a fixed idea but one in which they were actively working on. In future centuries, with more scientific information, Magi had to decide whether to continue the search for knowledge and become scientists or to continue to respond blindly to handed down teachings and become astrologers. Therefore our Magi are neither astronomers nor astrologers in the modern sense. Scientific understanding had not progressed sufficiently for them to know the difference between the two. They were 'searchers of wisdom'. If you must have a translation for 'Magi', I think that 'Wise Men' is as good as any.

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posted August 20, 2006 12:52 PM              

1 - she is intentionally being offensive white people in general. Apparently we're all stupid and ignorant and thus not worthy of the respect she thinks we are denying others.

2 - she is being offensive to this forum and its purpose by her childish, inflammatory, hateful behavior. She is not contributing to the forum in a constructive, meaningful way.

posted August 21, 2006 03:22 PM            

DayDreamer,

I am truely sorry if you thought I called you racist. I went through the threads and did not see one indication that I accused you of being a racist or stating that you called me a racist.

Our conversation on GU has nothing to do with the racist and unravelling remarks made here by LeyLa.

In this thread, we began by discussing the differences in religion and I clearly stated that ALL religions has been victimized as well as been the religion to victimize another. There are bad examples and good examples everywhere.

How you turn my statements into meaning that I hate Muslims (which is what you have said in GU) is beyond me. There is NO indication in ANY of my words of me hating anyone with the exception OF TERRORISTS and I have further defined Terrorist to include ANYONE that uses religion or an idea (ELF or ALF) to kill another for no reason (such as burning down several buildings to make a statement about saving the enviornment).

For some reason you felt the need to twist statements and when it didn't work you started on a whole new tangent. Let's try and keep this in GU instead of freaking out everyone that just wants to learn about astrology.

To everyone here.... I know this has been a rough road with many horrible words spewed from various sources. I think the one thing we can agree on is this "LindaLand has many beautiful and open minded knowflakes and it is obviously by the way people proved they could care less about a person's skin color, ethnicity or religion".

I am happy to be a part of such a wonderful group

~Pidaua

posted August 21, 2006 03:41 PM            

It just saddens me
everytime I open the "Astrology" forum
to see those spiteful words.

I wish this thread would vanish,
and people would think twice
before posting cruelty like this.

posted August 21, 2006 07:00 PM              

Eleanore- Well, as an example, sometimes we presume to know what tone of "voice" someone is using to "speak" their words. Most people don't read a post with any strong emotion in their head, but as you've noticed around here, some people automatically read "the worst" in posts. Then they post what they think is a counterattack, and then the word war has started. Since this is a spiritual board, I would HOPE (not presume) that people would not be hasty with words. Instead, asking for clarification would be a great idea! Alas, I might ask (and presume) too much.

**A note: I was a SysOp of a BBS over 10 years ago. I constantly had to preach that words on boards don't have emotions or body language, so reread a post if you feel a rash rant coming on!!**

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