posted August 18, 2006 06:35 PM              

It's unfortunate you don't equate attacks on someone's belief system, culture and values as equivalent to racism. Believe it or not there are people who personally identify with these criteria much more than race. And an attack on these is an attack on the core being of that person.

And let me clear something, I did not call Pidaua a racist and am not calling her that. She likes to put words into people's mouths. For your information. she's the one claiming that I did. And now I'm getting attacked for calling her a racist. How dare you Pid.

posted August 18, 2006 06:57 PM              

WTF? I've never been to LA in my life.

You've changed the kind of Indian you are about five times now.

Funny how you have all these different Indian races in you, and yet somehow, you're not registered by even ONE of them.

How does that happen?

Well hell. Can't blame them. I wouldn't want to claim you either.

Dulce Luna -

"Colombus thought he found a trade rout to India, bla bla" We all learned that one in Kindergarden.

When I went to the rez, they corrected everyone who called them "Native American," and said "I'm an Indian."

This friend of yours. Is he 1/32 Cherokee? One of those ever so popular blond haired, blue-eyed Indians?

Eleanore -

WTF? My post always said "I never said there was racism everywhere." From the first time I posted it.

A few minutes later, I though of a challenge: "But there is a lot of it here on the border, and in Mexico. Come on over and see for yourself." So I added it. How was I to know you'd already read it?

Azalaksh -

If anybody wants to see Pids quotes, you need only scroll up. She gets all her so called "facts" from books written by whites.

I wouldn't believe what a white settler said about an Indian any more than I'd believe what a Nazi said about a Jew.

posted August 18, 2006 06:57 PM              

WTF? I've never been to LA in my life.

You've changed the kind of Indian you are about five times now.

Funny how you have all these different Indian races in you, and yet somehow, you're not registered by even ONE of them.

How does that happen?

Well hell. Can't blame them. I wouldn't want to claim you either.

Dulce Luna -

"Colombus thought he found a trade rout to India, bla bla" We all learned that one in Kindergarden.

When I went to the rez, they corrected everyone who called them "Native American," and said "I'm an Indian."

This friend of yours. Is he 1/32 Cherokee? One of those ever so popular blond haired, blue-eyed Indians?

Eleanore -

WTF? My post always said "I never said there was racism everywhere." From the first time I posted it.

A few minutes later, I though of a challenge: "But there is a lot of it here on the border, and in Mexico. Come on over and see for yourself." So I added it. How was I to know you'd already read it?

Azalaksh -

If anybody wants to see Pids quotes, you need only scroll up. She gets all her so called "facts" from books written by whites.

I wouldn't believe what a white settler said about an Indian any more than I'd believe what a Nazi said about a Jew.

posted August 18, 2006 07:23 PM            

You are a sick individual that needs serious help.

I have never changed my tribe, you are just proving your complete and utter ignorance about the Apache. There are several bands or sub tribes under the name Apache. The real name is Inde- the People; the subtribes are; Mescalero, Chircahua, Jicarilla, Kiowa and Mimbreno. There were several other bands that have been absorbed by the larger bands or, such as in the case of Geronimo, he was the last of his band, but was adopted by a sister band. The subtribes also gave rise to Bands - family units based on the female line.

The tribe was then broken up into Reservations- White Mountain, San Carlos, etc..

The Apache tribe is matriachal, meaning we define our band by the female side. In my case, it is Chiricahua (after my FULL BLOOD grandmother) even though my grandfather was half Mescalero (based on his mother).

What is with your 1/32 crap? You've GOT to get a new line and here is a question for you..

What reservation do you go visit? If you live on the border in a rough town that basically would include- Texas, Arizona and a few parts of California (remember I was raised in the Southwest and I have been up and down the coast and along the borders).

I want to know what reservation you visit and how they would be so open to YOU? Obviously you did not visit ANY reservations along near the border of Arizona- there is still ALOT of hatred in many of the SW tribes and those of your... shall we say, fair color. You sure as hell didn't visit an Apache reservation, that's a fact.

So, how many reservations are in California? Well.. I don't think California would have put up with you.. so let's set that state aside. New Mexico sure as hell would not have put up with you... so now we have Arizona and Texas... Texas only borders Mexico on the Western portion of the state(as you stated you live in a MEAN old Border town)... okay.. El Paso, Harlingen, Laredo... am I getting warmer? I know you can't live here in Cochise County... so if you live in Arizona you pretty much only have Yuma, Santa Cruz and Nogales....

The Tohono O'dim would never allow YOU to call them Indian - they rarely are open to anyone of other tribes let alone outside of the race.

I have worked with many tribes LeyLa- I can name them unlike you.

Instead you have all these "mysterious friends" but you have nothing to back up your claims - not even statements that makes sense.

Read a book- quit making yourself look like a fool. The more your write the more you remove all doubt about your psychotic nature and your incompetance as a human being.

I don't know whether to completely dislike you or feel sorry for you. I am inclined now to lean towards the latter because your chance of a fulfilling life with your current attitude is close to zero.

posted August 18, 2006 07:29 PM            

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"Colombus thought he found a trade rout to India, bla bla" We all learned that one in Kindergarden.

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That was no nursery rhyme I was singing; I was stating historical facts.(Like you would know.) Christopher Columbus, because of obstinacy, mistermed the Natives Indians.

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When I went to the rez, they corrected everyone who called them "Native American," and said "I'm an Indian."

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Most prefer the term Native American or American Indian. I would love to meet these people who call themselves "Indian". Oh wait a minute, thats right- they probably only exist in Leyla/BerrySweet's imagination.

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This friend of yours. Is he 1/32 Cherokee? One of those ever so popular blond haired, blue-eyed Indians?

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Here's a newflash for you Leyla: Geography is not your strong point either. If you had asked me first, I would've told you I'm from Rhode Island. There are no Cherokees in Rhode Island. And as for my friends; one of them has an Italian father and a Narragansett mother(Not Cherokee). Another friend of mine is 3 quarters African American and 1/4 Native American; a significant enough amount that other American Indians can see.

posted August 18, 2006 07:38 PM            

LOL.. don't you feel like you are talking to someone that is either spun or manic? She never seems to make any sense and bounces back and forth attacking everyone yet basing her allegations on these "friends".

posted August 18, 2006 08:53 PM            

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DayDreamer
I'm assuming that your recent post was directed at me because I left a question mark to you in regards to the double standards you referred to around here. I'm assuming because you didn't address your post to anyone ... and if you weren't talking to me, then I'm sorry.

I never asked for direct quotes of anything ... don't know what that's about.

When did I say that I "don't equate attacks on someone's belief system, culture and values as equivalent to racism." ? I don't recall ever saying that. Why would you presume that to be true?

I know you already said you won't post direct quotes and that's fine, I guess, but understand that without them I don't know what material exactly you think shows that I feel this way.

I don't think you're referencing me when you talk about not calling pidaua a racist ... because I never said you said that.

I'm not familiar with any of the "ignorance and tricks" you say you've received from pidaua, lioneye68, Isis, and carmab. Again, I realize you don't feel like posting examples but, again, I have no idea what you're talking about.

Are you maybe talking about politics or religion or nationality or what?

Really, you've confused the bejeezus out of me with that.

The only thing I can possibly even think that might relate to what you are talking about is them asking you questions, let me state that again, asking you questions about the kinds of abuses that some women experience in some countries in the Middle East over in GU. And still, I don't see how you could think them asking you questions and trying to understand your point on those things is the same as the kinds of nasty things LeylaLeFay has stated on this thread. There is a difference between asking questions and making outright, blanket style, negatively discriminating comments and presenting them as facts.

And if that's not what you're referring to then I am completely in the dark on this one.

So, if you really think you've been attacked in some way and actually care to have my opinion on the matter ... at least point in me in the right direction instead of assuming you know where I stand, please. I don't think that's asking too much.

posted August 18, 2006 09:09 PM              

You need to see a therapist about this identity crisis of yours.

Take a good look at your birth certificate. It reads : White.

Where was granny hiding when they were doing Indian roll call?

You claim a full quarter, yet are not a member of a federally recognized tribe.

I don't know where the hell BerrySweet went, but I wish she'd come back.

I know your "supporters" are alter egos, since that's what you accuse me of. You're projecting.

A great many reservations welcome tourists, and sell their wares. They also perform. I took a trip out to Florida and hung out with the Seminole.

I also dated, and was proposed to by an Arapaho.

Full blood.
Card Carrying.
Federally Recognized.

It was he, who got annoyed by the term "Native American." He would always correct the person by saying "I'm Indian."

They have a good laugh when people like you show up in plastic beads and painted chicken feathers, talking about your "Indian Grandmother."

DOES THIS, OR DOES THIS NOT, DESCRIBE YOU PERFECTLY:

"Most of these folks are not Indians registered with a federally recognized tribe ...These bold individuals become volitile and believe it or not in many instances they attempt to get violent by starting fights."

posted August 18, 2006 09:27 PM            

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I know your "supporters" are alter egos, since that's what you accuse me of.

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Yeah because like you, she has that much time on her hands....please.

We only ask you to stop spewing your bigotry. I know this America and there's freedom of speech but this is uncalled for.

posted August 18, 2006 09:46 PM            

"Here's your sign."

posted August 18, 2006 10:23 PM            

All of your posts in this thread are filled with bigotry starting with your refusal to drop the term "Indian". Did you know that is like nails to a chalkboard to most Native Americans to hear. You should know that since you are such an expertise on the all the races/ethnicities.

And then, there is your assumption that because someone happens to be lightskinned, they are obviously not of such-and-such ethnicity. (And by the way, the person you are so eager to call "White", does not even look white-nor does she have lightskin). I know as well as the next person that people of the same ethnic background are not always the same skintone.

posted August 18, 2006 10:27 PM              

2) Real INDIANS think the term "Native American" is a crock of politically correct bullsh*t.

posted August 18, 2006 10:34 PM              

A 1995 Census Bureau Survey of preferences for racial and ethnic terminology (there is no more recent survey) indicated that 49% of Native people preferred being called American Indian, 37% preferred Native American, 3.6% preferred "some other term," and 5% had no preference. As The American Heritage Guide to English Usage points out, "the issue has never been particularly divisive between Indians and non-Indians. While generally welcoming the respectful tone of Native American, Indian writers have continued to use the older name at least as often as the newer one."

"Names and Labels: Social, Racital, and Ethnic Terms: Indian", The American Heritage® Book of English Usage. A Practical and Authoritative Guide to Contemporary English. 1996.

As Christina Berry, a Cherokee writer and producer of the website All Things Cherokee, counsels:
In the end, the term you choose to use (as an Indian or non-Indian) is your own personal choice. Very few Indians that I know care either way. The recommended method is to refer to a person by their tribe, if that information is known. The reason is that the Native peoples of North America are incredibly diverse. It would be like referring both a Romanian and an Irishman as European. . . . [W]henever possible an Indian would prefer to be called a Cherokee or a Lakota or whichever tribe they belong to. This shows respect because not only are you sensitive to the fact that the terms Indian, American Indian, and Native American are an over simplification of a diverse ethnicity, but you also show that you listened when they told what tribe they belonged to.

When you don't know the specific tribe simply use the term which you are most comfortable using. The worst that can happen is that someone might correct you and open the door for a thoughtful debate on the subject of political correctness and its impact on ethnic identity. What matters in the long run is not which term is used but the intention with which it is used.

What's in a Name? Indians and Political Correctness
by Christina Berry, All Things Cherokee

Bibliography

posted August 18, 2006 10:34 PM              

The front cover of the tribe's web page reads:

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"THIS SITE IS DEDICATED TO THE RICH HISTORY AND CULTURE OF THE FLORIDA SEMINOLE INDIANS."

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posted August 18, 2006 10:50 PM              

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Some Native Americans don't carry ID cards because there actually are Native Americans who feel that they don't need the government's help to get along in life.

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Shows how little you know.

A tribal ID does NOT entitle you to any money. The Indian Registry is not a welfare program.

Stupida -

Make up your mind!

First you say "Skin color doesn't prove anything" Then you say "I have tan skin and that proves I'm Indian."

Which is it?

And as for those "Indian Features" there is no such thing!

Different types of Indians have different features. Some tribes look nothing alike.

posted August 18, 2006 10:59 PM              

She has NO RIGHT to make false statments about "blood thirsty" and "violent" Indians.

posted August 18, 2006 11:14 PM            

My skin may be light but I am not Caucasian.

Oh no ... that's right, you think we are all actually pidaua and that she is white ... so really, it just goes back to you thinking pidaua is Caucasian.

What is your obsession with her anyway? That's kind of getting creepy.

And, btw, telling someone that they're not of a certain race because you just don't feel like it's true, even though you clearly have no idea what you're talking about, can be construed as racist because you have set up some definition of what makes a person one race or another and anyone who doesn't fit your made-up rules doesn't "count" ... and that is insulting.

Yeah.

I don't know why I've even bothered responding to you for this long ... and I hardly ever give up hoping that someone will understand if people actually try to make sense with them. You, however, are a very strange case indeed.