posted April 28, 2013 02:51 PM            

"For example, can you 'time' Psyche and Eros by using Cupido after they're married and all is well?"
I never thought of that, to be honest.
I am not sure though. Unless Cupido and Eros indicate different stages in the transformational process. But I just don`t know if that is so.

Hmm, in the second composite I posted I see that Ceres is opposite Pluto. And Persephone is trine/ sextile both. Makes sense since Pluto lured her daughter away from Ceres, and Persephone loved both.

posted April 28, 2013 03:01 PM            

Also our CUPIDOS are trine each other.

posted April 29, 2013 08:20 AM            

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My Jupiter squares my NN-Neptune.
His Venus semisquares my Jupiter and my NN-Neptune, thus hsi Venus is on the midpoint of my Jupiter/Neptune and Jupiter/NN.

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Yess that's about the same story for my Moon/Mars-NN square natally (2-3*)

His Sun semi-square my Moon (0,07) but also semi-square my Mars/NN BUT... the orb to Mars is pretty wide with 2'53 or so. Orb to NN 1'50 or so.

I think I get those harmonic charts a bit now, minor aspects appear as conjunctions. And every harmonic has its own minor aspects. And so I guess it's easy to see which minors are present.

posted April 29, 2013 12:46 PM            

"Yess that's about the same story for my Moon/Mars-NN square natally (2-3*)

His Sun semi-square my Moon (0,07) but also semi-square my Mars/NN BUT... the orb to Mars is pretty wide with 2'53 or so. Orb to NN 1'50 or so."
On its own I probably would not count the Mars-orb, but the others draw it in I guess. Also the Sun-Moon - what precision!

How do you feel about his Sun activating the Moon/NN and Mars/NN for you?

In my case I simply love it!
Yes, I am aware that the Jupiter/Neptune probably makes me prone to overidealization when it comes to him. But the Jupiter/Node - for me it feels like a reservoir of endless potential and possibilities. Of course since Jupiter rules my chart, it also makes me feel like through him I see parts of myself; I guess part of the synastry here has to do with some sort of identity (at least for me).
The SAbian of this is:

A Nature Sprit Dancing In The Iridescent Mist Of A Waterfall

(his Venus, my Jupiter/Neptune, and my Jupiter/NN are all on that same degree).

Who wouldn´t love a Sabian like this?
Kind of fits Neptune there, too.

my Venus is also novile my Moon, and his Venus is conjunct the Moon/Venus-mp under one degree,b ut the Moon/Venus-mp itself is on 26-27 Capricorn.

Pilgrims Climbing The Steep Steps Leading To A Mountain Shrine

It seems decidedly more serious.

Anyway, I think this configuration might have to do with me suddenly identifying with my feminity so much, when I met him. Usually this midpoint is lying dormant in my chart; well Mars is on the antiscion degree of it, so there is some rumble underneath, but nothing too obvious or clear or graspable for me on my own.
his Venus really helped me connecting to that part of my chart.
Well interestingly his Juno is on the other end of the midpoint axis, opposite it.

Of course the Moon/Venus-mp is a pretty motional and affective picture, too.

"I think I get those harmonic charts a bit now, minor aspects appear as conjunctions. "
Yes. So do conjunctions.

posted April 29, 2013 10:11 PM            

Was thinking about that Moon/Mars-NN square of mine.. and I thought, well let's be honest it's *also* square my JUNO.. so making it a T-square natally.

So his Sun semi-square both my Moon & Mars-NN.. but what's it doing then to my JUNO? Seemed almost logical it had to do *something*..

Compute..

His Sun *sesquiguadrate* my Juno! (at 1*)

and if that wasn't all...

My Sun *sesquiguadrate* his Juno! (1*)

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the most exact conjunction in our Composite! (Sun/Juno)

I remember you saying most couples have a Sun/Juno aspect, and I was thinking; well we only have a Sun/Juno composite conjunction, and that's IT.

Well, here we are, it's a legitime DW interaspect! And not the least!

posted April 30, 2013 10:48 AM            

Can we consider all the Composite conjunctions as 'equal'?

There's Always a *difference* in how they're formed through synastry?

A double trine in synastry *can* become a Composite conjunction.

posted April 30, 2013 03:08 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:
This ^^ makes me think...

Can we consider all the Composite conjunctions as 'equal'?

There's Always a *difference* in how they're formed through synastry?

A double trine in synastry *can* become a Composite conjunction.

ANY double aspect can become a conjunction... so how important is considering the aspects that form them?

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As a matter of fact I have been thinking about that, too.
Though I probably would *not* term them all equal, the fact ther is a conjunction alone indicates that it is an important hot spot in the relationship.

Let me give you an example.

His AMOR is square my NN
my AMOR is square his NN

since it is in complmentary phases (waxing and waning), it comes up as a composite exact conjunction of AMOR and NN.

It`s always like the relationship, Karma whatver sais: THIS will be your theme. Figure it out. LOL

Well, in Jeffrey Greene`s words, every planet squaring the nodal axis represents a "skipped step". So in our case our skipped step would be Amor, mutually (we also have a Moon-Venus-conjunction as skipped step in the composite, which feeds into the same theme I guess).

Some thing about unconditional love that did not go too smoothly probably, some disbalance there, usually out of neglect in a past life or whenever.

So it does even seem to make sense that it ends up on the NN in composite. Sort of saying like: That is what it`s about. That is what you are here to grow into, to experience, how you shall connect to each other.

OR something like that...

There is also the reverse btw.

We have a mutual Juno-Valentine-trine in synastry (though my Juno is a bit widely trine his Valentine at 3 degrees, but the other one is exact).

Ends up being an opposition in composite - of course an aspect of consciousness.

However, at the same time, his Saturn is exactly sextile my Valentine, while my Saturn is trine his Valentine - pretty smooth, right?

Shockingly though in the composite Saturn ends up squaring Valentine. What hapmpned there?

What does it mean, that a smooth harmonious mutual aspect results in one of the nastiest aspects I could ever imagine?

However, whatever it means, if ther eis a mutual aspect in synastry and one in composite, I view that as a flashing light and call for attention.

posted April 30, 2013 03:16 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:
Btw, I'm also floored by the orb-fact of those aspects + the column 'major aspects'... here you have it all (without it I was lost);
http://www.zanestein.com/AstrologyFAQs.html

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neat site. however I flatly refuse - REFUSE - to use these astronomical orbs

posted April 30, 2013 04:10 PM            

Honestly, I think they're only so minor as we are less evolved. (I won't say UN-evolved. We're here, aren't we? Means we're trying to learn something, at least!) I can fully say I've felt those septiles, noviles, and, oh, God, quindeciles. It's texture up to a point; then it becomes a flat out design element.

Also, I'm intrigued with this Nodal missed-step theory; his NNode-Amor is square my Nodes. (His Psyche-Mars/Eros-Venus MPs are right on my SNode, too.)

His Karma-Saturn-Lilith-Valentine is on my Moon-Ura, on his SNode, and square my Nodes.

Can't say I've a clue what to make of that, exactly. Karma is a missed step? I don't think we missed Lilith - not this time around or then. (Heavy betrayal issues.) Valentine? Yeah. I'm sure we skimped on that one.

I noticed my Vesta is square his Nodes, too - and right on my NNode. Wonder what the heck that's about. Same with my Chiron - tightly square my Nodes, and on his NNode with Amor - tightly squaring Psyche-Mars. Throw my Leo NNode into the mix, and hey! It's a party! (A pity party, that is.)

posted May 01, 2013 02:35 PM            

" It's like living sacred geometry. You can FEEL it."
Yes, yes, yes, exactly how I see it.

I mean sometimes you can FEEL the astrology of a certain person or relationship; at least I do so at times, like a vibration almost.
And seriously if I look at a synastry and the tingle isn`t there, well, if I start to have searching for something in there, it usualy is not a good sign.

"I can fully say I've felt those septiles, noviles, and, oh, God, quindeciles. "
Yes, especially if the orb is exact.

I am follwoing two approaches when it comes to aspects, and I sometimes vacillitate between both.

1. the cyclic approach, taking into account the Moon phases for example. (which would include the 8th harmonic big time btw)

2. harmonic approach (if I use this, I am adamant about orbs)

3. the signbackground approach (with this I am more open to orb-widening, reasonably of course - but it is my least favourite approach, I use it to learn about the background-energies,b ut it is usually not that acute).

The acute tingles usually come from symmetrical harmonic patterns.
For me at least.

I mean discovering something like, my Moon being in exact quinkunx to Saturn; Uranus on the far midpoint being in 105° aspect to each (so highlighting the 12th and 24th harmonic), and then seeing how the near midpoint coincides with my 5th house cusp, and his Vesta falling there exactly.
The symmetry of it takes my breath away, even though of course any traditional astrologer would accuse me of grasping for straws, as these are just minor aspects.

Fact is, subtle as it may be, there is need to ponder about the meaning of the 24th harmonic I guess. lol

"Also, I'm intrigued with this Nodal missed-step theory; his NNode-Amor is square my Nodes. (His Psyche-Mars/Eros-Venus MPs are right on my SNode, too.)"
Ah you too have the AMor-skipped step. Interesting.

http://sasstrology.com/2012/02/what-happens-when-you-meet-your-skipped-step-repaying-karmic-debts-in-romantic-relationships.html

In our case actually I have a skipped step,a s Jupiter, ruler of my stellium, including NN and ASC, is squaring my nodal axis from Pisces and 3rd house.
His Amor/Mars/Jupiter-conjunction is actually opposite this Jupiter.

posted May 01, 2013 09:17 PM            

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" It's like living sacred geometry. You can FEEL it."
Yes, yes, yes, exactly how I see it.

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Yes, yes.

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And seriously if I look at a synastry and the tingle isn`t there, well, if I start to have searching for something in there, it usualy is not a good sign.

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True awareness of my search actions only came with this synastry.
It has to be AT-FIRST-SIGHT (reflection of the physical reality)

posted May 01, 2013 09:44 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:
True awareness of my search actions only came with this synastry.
It has to be AT-FIRST-SIGHT (reflection of the physical reality)

I admit, it was our DW Chiron/Jupiter trine at 1* both that went through every fiber.. even though not a conj. or opp. in the Composite (just a trine), still consider it the creme de la creme and there's no way out. The wounded healer, written on our vulnerable bodies.

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posted May 02, 2013 07:54 AM            

Anyway, but what made me raise my eyebrows first, was the fact how there is a polarity/ complimentarity in terms of elements and hemispheres.

While we have a common ground in the sign of Sagittarius, I have an Airy moon, while he lacks the element Air.
On the other hand I have only a challenged Earthy Venus, but he contributes his Venus, Mars and Jupiter in Earth, and of course his Chiron. The orbs are fairly generous, but it could even be a Grand trine of his Chiron (9 Taurus), his Mars-Jupiter (10-11 Virgo) and my Venus (6 Cap).
Yeah, well too generous I know.

But what really gets me is how he has most of his personal planets above the horizon, mine are gathered below (though int he same signs, mostly Sag and Cap).

And also, while we both have a Sag Stellium, the dispositors Jupiter are not only in Pisces (mine) and Virgo (his), but are EXACTLY opposite and the backbone of a MAJOR planetary pattern.

It fits to the first impression I ahd of him, despite all the fire, so deliciously earthly. And I never even liked earthiness THAT much; it helps that he also has a lot of fire I guess.

I am much more itnellectual I think, and he seems very instinctual and spontaneous. he actually feels like a natural complement, and at the same time reflecting back so much about my own identity, things I may not have seen before, but which are there.

posted May 02, 2013 08:27 AM            

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Do not underestimate the trine in the composite.

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Yea.. I'm putting the Composite trine-synthesis somewhat less on a pedestal since living in the geometrical hierarchy structures of David Cochrane (THE geometry-expert);

1) Composite alignment ~ SuA-MoB = SuB-MoA, and SuA-MoA = SuB-MoB (WOWWW!)

2) Midpoint-to-midpoint alignment ~ Midt-to-Midpt: SuA-MoB = SuB-MoA, SuA-SuB = MoA-MoB (Wow!)

3) Mixed midpoint alignment ~ Mixed Midpt: SuA-MoA = SuB-MoB, SuA-SuB = MoA-MoB (wow)

(it may seem more complex than it actually IS ~ I'm still a beginner myself )
http://www.astrosoftware.com/Symmetries.htm

So, our DW Chiron/Jupiter trine falls under the lesser 2). Means;

His natal Chiron/Jupiter midpoint 5 Aqua/Leo
My natal Chiron/Jupiter midpoint 5 Leo/Aqua

posted May 02, 2013 10:43 AM            

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And also, while we both have a Sag Stellium, the dispositors Jupiter are not only in Pisces (mine) and Virgo (his), but are EXACTLY opposite and the backbone of a MAJOR planetary pattern.

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Yess, that's the second thing that got me in our synastry. Both Chiron/Jupiter trines are each the 'backbone' of a very strong geometrical pattern. A double *iron butterfly* (the trine in there is for sure the backbone), and a double Grand sextile (half of david star) although the trine in there is not exactly a backbone.

So, 2 stand-alone configurations/patterns (at completely different degrees).

Later I found out, that: some lines in both patterns have the exact same midpoint-degree. And *which* lines!

The midpoint of his natal Jupiter/Venus-Nept. quincunx (as part of the *iron butterfly*) conjunct the midpoint of my Jupiter/Pluto sextile (as part of the *grand sextile*). The TWO natal aspects that *MADE* it all! (the patterns).

Really floored about ^^ once. "How the hell could that ever happen?? What am I missing... is there more logic in it than I can grasp?" (something like that. - Our same natal Chiron/Jupiter midpoints must have something to do with it but to see it in a clear pic??)

Concl. (very simple lol);

- Equal natal Chiron/Jupiter midpoints (opposed)

posted May 02, 2013 01:13 PM            

Do you have his book? IF not, you should get it, definitely thoughtprovoking.
He has a larger chapter on symmetries in composite and synastry. Also mentions some other ways of symmetry.

For example he uses the harmonic triangles.
Example:
A Sun: 10 Taurus
A Moon: 20 Gemini
B Mercury: 10 Cancer

That would mean B`s Mercury is in a 18th harmonic triangle (20° is the 18th harmonic basic aspect, so the sextil ewould be 3/18 harmonic aspect) with A`s Sun and Moon.

BTW for all his patterns he uses a 2,5° orb and sais that a 1,5° orb is necessary for strong contacts.

He also mentions the importance of composite planets conjunct or opposite natal planets, which is true in my synastry.

For example:
composite Sun is conjunct both our Suns exactly and conjuncts HIS Moon and MC as well (obviously composite Sun is on his Sun/Moon-mp).

composite Moon conjuncts my Antivertex and Sun/Moon-mp. And so on.

Interestingly just today I`ve been pondering about checking systematically for closed aspect-circuits belonging to the same harmonic,a nd wanted to start with the 8th harmonic (conjunction - opposition - square - semisquare - sesisquare).

And then I stumble about exactly such an example in Cochrane`s book. lol

Only that he used the 18th harmonic.
Personally I think though that the lower harmonics may be more noticeable probably.

actually he writs that as well in his book, that "harmonics of 16 or higher are very internal in their effect and not as obvious externally".

I perceive the harmonics much like overtones in music. The basic note is very clear and you can percieve it consciously, that would probably be the 1st harmonic. and the overtones would be the higher harmonics. You feel it, you react to it, but you are not always consciously aware of WHAT exactly is creating the full effect.

There are certain harmonic chart that resonate with each other.

For example the 4th harmonic is the fundamental basic square family series, but it also includes the 1st and 2nd harmonic (conjunction,a nd opposition).

The 8th harmonic includes the 1st, 2nd and 4th harmonic AND adds the 8th harmonic aspects. It gets more subtle, the further you get on the harmonic scale.

Oh and just came across another mentioning in his book: "three planets are required to have a dynamic energy flow, a cind of circuitry for energy to flow through."

posted May 02, 2013 01:42 PM            

I always do that. Midpoints do not lie.lol

"A double *iron butterfly* (the trine in there is for sure the backbone), and a double Grand sextile (half of david star) although the trine in there is not exactly a backbone."
That is really nice.
It seems like at least in the case of the Grand sextile it is a 6th harmonic pattern, including the 3rd harmonic naturally.
Thus it promotes a basic harmony.

In my case the opposition is the backbone and dividing line of a definite 8th harmonic pattern, which interestingly enough includes both his rim planets of his bowl or bundle pattern (excluding Chiron - with chiron it would be a bucket with Chiron at that handle).

His rim planets are Venus on 25 Capricorn and the Mars-Jupiter-conjunction at 10 and 11 Virgo, and as a matter of fact Venus is in exact sesisquare to Mars and Jupiter.

I myself have a bucket with Saturn at the handle (with the xception of Chiron). Actually even with the inclusion of Chiron I would have a bucket-chart pattern. lol
Just then Chiron would be one of the rim planets. However traditionally Chiron is not counted, and so Jupiter and Pluto would be my rim planets, which are quinkunx each other.

And one of my rim planets, Jupiter, is forming that 8th harmonic pattern with both his rim planets, venus and Jupiter/Mars.

Excluding asteroids, it involves.

his Mars on 11 Virgo
his Jupiter on 10 Virgo

his Mercury on 9 Sagittarius
my Neptune on 9 Sagittarius
my NN on 10 Sagittarius

his Venus on 25 Capricorn

my Jupiter on 11 Pisces

my SN on 10 Gemini obviously

It is actually a very precise pattern:

his Mars opposite my Jupiter 0-07
his Jupiter opposite my Jupiter 1-03

his Mars square my Neptune 1-09
his Mars square my NN 0-56
his Jupiter square my Neptune 0-13
his Jupiter square my NN 0-00

his Mercury conjunct my Neptune 0-34
his Mercury conjunct my NN 0-47
his Mercury square my Jupiter 1-50

his Venus semisquare my Neptune 0-58
his Venus semisquare my Jupiter 0-18
his Venus semisquare my NN 0-46

Well, definitely a significant one.
Of course it is more dynamic than really harmonious. LOL

But that is the second thing i notice. it is very dynamic synastry.

And "personal" synastry. Usually I have crushes on guys whith whom I share a LOT of Neptune and Pluto to especially Venus, Mars and ASC. Some ASC-aspects, but rarely all that strong Sun and Moon-aspects.
Even though in this synastry the occasional Neptune and Pluto aspects happen, and ASC-aspects as well, the emphasis on Sun and Moon is really blinding. I mean I would have to be really blind to not see it.

It seems more a chemistry based on personality than anything else. Not always smooth, but very noticeable.

Another thing that struck me is that my Sun-Mercury-conjunction in my 1st house is pretty isolated from the rest of my chart, using reasonable orbs at least. We could discuss if Uranus on 1 Scorpio makes an out of sign 5-6 degree sextile, but I tend to view the Sun-Mercury as isolated duet in my chart.

I also managed so far to avoid having it contacted in synastry, even with friends. Not consciously and ther eis nothing wrong about it, it is just kind of floating through the 1st house and through my chart.

Not even my best friend here has aspects to it (we share a lot of Moon, Venus, Mars, MC links though). And truth be told it has always been clear that there is an area in my life that she doesn`t have access to, doesn`t connect to, which is not a problem, just that it is somehow "outside".

Well, the one friend I have who knows me REALLY into depth, I mean pretty much all of me, actually has her Venus conjunct my Sun-MErcury-conjunction and her MC-IC-axis is in 8th harmonic aspect to it. lol

Anyway, I wonder if that maybe had to do with my parents as well. My Dad has NO links to this Sun-Mercury of mine at all. My Mum has her Moon square it and Mercury semisquare it; she sees it, but she can`t do really much with it I guess.

So I am kinda used to it being "my secret space", sometimes even secret to me.

Never been really touched in crush-synastry. lol

And then HE comes and puts his Sun-Moon-MC onto it, unfortunately also brings his Saturn-squrae for the ride. lol
Oh and of course his Desc and Vertex also square it.
His BML trines his, his Lilith sextiles it, his ERos quintiles it.

No it is not very calm and soothing, the more I look for soothing connections, the more I find energetic ones. lol
He has to battle his own demons; Saturn on DESC and Vertex being square his Sun-Moon-MC being one of them.

My Sun-mercury is also roughly semisextile his Venus-Uranus-sextile, and yes that means it falls onto his Venus/Uranus-midpoint.
Soothing? Hardly.

And of course our composite Sun falls onto that.

Well, no wonder I usually feel like I am in the spotlight.

So much for my secret space.

posted May 02, 2013 11:57 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:

1) Composite alignment ~ SuA-MoB = SuB-MoA, and SuA-MoA = SuB-MoB (WOWWW!)

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posted May 03, 2013 01:20 AM            

I always use an example from Mr Law`s and my composite, just because it is so obvious there.

his Moon is on 27 Libra - my Mercury on 25 Sagittarius (waning sextile of 2 degrees)

his Mercury on 20 Sagittarius - my Moon on 17 Aquarius (waxing sextile of 3 degrees).

In the composite this results in an exact Moon-Mercury-conjunction. (Plus Venus but that is a subject for another day )

Had the it been in the same phase both times, waning OR waxing both, it would have resulted in a sextile in composite I believe.

posted May 03, 2013 01:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
It means that the angle (even if it is not an aspect technically) between A`s Sun and B`s Moon is the same as the angle between A`s Moon and B`s Sun then it results in a conjunction in composite I belive.

I always use an example from Mr Law`s and my composite, just because it is so obvious there.

his Moon is on 27 Libra - my Mercury on 25 Sagittarius (waning sextile of 2 degrees)

his Mercury on 20 Sagittarius - my Moon on 17 Aquarius (waxing sextile of 3 degrees).

In the composite this results in an exact Moon-Mercury-conjunction. (Plus Venus but that is a subject for another day )

Had the it been in the same phase both times, waning OR waxing both, it would have resulted in a sextile in composite I believe.

the conjunction usually happens with complementary phasal aspects.

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OH. I gotcha. I love seeing that with dwads, too.

Lemme see ...

Sun semiquintile Moon
Moon semisquare Sun
C-Sun conjunct C-moon

Huh. Clear DW, and a definite conjunction.

Well, that's pretty nifty!

Can't say it's the same angle, though. 44º and 33º. That intrigues, though.

And, since our Moons are conjunct, it all leads to a conjunction.

Wow. Interesting.

posted May 03, 2013 02:12 AM            

you mean decile?

"Can't say it's the same angle, though. 44º and 33º. That intrigues, though."
well, I wouldn´t call the 33° aspect a decile or semiquintile, the orb is 3 degrees; it is actually in the midst of a semisextile and "semiquintile".

however, the difference between your aspects is 11 degrees. Since you have two people in a composite, it could come up as a wide conjunction, around 5 degrees.
Though it probably depends a little what planet is applying to what.

"Forgive my more overall clinical tone. It's ... been rough."

I am sorry.