posted May 10, 2013 09:15 AM            

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Originally posted by mir:
Lol okaay... just a matter of aspect-forming.. even a minor minor aspect would make a difference. That's all. (coincidentally a septile with that less obvious one, I didn't notice)

Funny indeed his Venus is also around the Composite Moon.

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As long as the minor aspect is really tight and we are not using harmonics like the 367th I think it counts.

As for the VEnus-Moon I guess this one might come up fairly often when there are romantic feelings at play. I actually like that pairing. A romantic affectionate sweet emotional bonding. What more could anyone want? (well maybe some Mars and Sun activity to actively express that feeling of course)

EDIT:
After a certain degree the higher harmonics get very internal, and I am using those that are more external and more easily felt or seen.

Of course the major aspects are among those, esp. conjunction (1), opposition (2), trine (3) and square (4).

However the 8th harmonic makes itself felt clearly as well; maybe because it is a dynamic aspect.

The 7th harmonic may already be quite internal, due to its nature; but also seems to relate to a certain fatedness.

The 9th harmonic is the exponential Threeness, and indicates the harmonious connectedness in a large context (which includes social environment, like that which becomes a part of life after marriage, or just deciding to be a couple toghether; somehow the status and expectations change with that).

The 5th harmonic is just bizarre, playful, creative and well, not always predictable. When I hear 5th harmonic I always think Mozart. LOL
There is a certain magic coming with that.

http://accessnewage.com/articles/astro/ha_intro.htm

Basil Fearrington refers to the 5th, 7th, 8th and 9th harmonic as "primary harmonics".
There was a study on the 9th harmonic, which found enough correlations to consider it as significant.

I also liked Dawn Bodrogi`s descriptions for synastry.

"Do you consider a semisquare a major aspect? I do. I’ve seen it do powerful things, particularly in progression. Watch out if you have a planet at the midpoint of a square—that planet will make your square implode by creating two semisquares from inside it.

It’s as if the square swallowed a stick of dynamite, like in the cartoons. Do people pay attention to the semisquare? Not much. At their peril.

In synastry, between charts, quintiles can produce an almost otherworldly understanding of the way the individual planets are operating. If my Saturn is quintile your Venus, you will have an innate compassion for my Saturn issues, and I will instinctively know how to support your Venus.

However, relationships dominated by quintiles often possess an otherworldly quality of their own, as if they don’t rely on the common things of this life to survive. Loves that continue long after the affair is over are often quintile loves.

septiles can be a bit ruthless. Septiles are where we know better, and we can’t turn away. Sometimes, it seems that septiles can manifest as a ‘get out of jail free card’—but this only happens when we are jailed unjustly by other elements.

Septiles between charts behave somewhat like high-powered lamps pointed at the planets. Those two planets will relate in a truthful way, and we won’t be able to hide from one another.

When noviles are active between charts, we push one another forward. If there are a number of them between charts, they can be either stimulating or annoying, depending on how much we like to be nagged in spiritual terms. Noviles between charts can make us feel as if the other person is always expecting more from us. With noviles dominant, we can feel as if we have a purpose together, and may find it easier to share our individual growth processes.

Of the three aspects, I find that noviles and quintiles are more tangible than septiles. "

http://skywriter.wordpress.com/2010/07/31/breathing-refined-air-the-esoteric-aspects/

posted May 10, 2013 11:55 AM            

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I'm gonna share another variant of the Bear Hug pattern.

Something we have in HELIO. Also made me think, we never ever may underestimate the HELIO positions. So yea, this one really got me. I see the result of it as a sharing of some sort of the same vibe on a very verrry inner level. But more noticable than one might think. Here we go. ALL in HELIO>

His Saturn; Cap 26'56
My Saturn; Taurus 28'41

His Jupiter; Leo 5'39
My Jupiter; Sag 6'59

His Vesta; Gem 1'50
My Vesta; Aqua 2'01

His Juno; Sag 20'04
My Juno; Leo 21'48

(all the same planets in trine as you can see)

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To start with both our Jupiter & Saturn.

There's NO characteristic of the Bear hug pattern here. BUT there IS a "mixed midpoint-alignment" (the lesser one according to Cochrane ~ I have this from that link-page I gave)

The midpoint of;

His Saturn and my Jupiter = 1'58 Cap/Cancer
My Saturn and his Jupiter = 2'10 Cancer/Cap

(opposite midpoints 0'12 ~ the only underlying 'support' here would be the same-planet trines)

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Let's add our Vesta now. Here we get the charachteristics of the Bear Hug, which ofcourse connected to the *mixed midpoint alignment* of Saturn/Jupiter;

My Saturn/Vesta midpoint = 0'21 Aries/Libra
His Saturn/Vesta midpoint = 29'29 Pisces/Virgo.

(makes a midpoint conjunction of 0'52 ~ underlying a loose Mutual cross conjunction of 3-5* + hence this is the only one making a 3-orb conjunction in the composite)

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Juno now;

My Saturn/Juno midpoint = 10'15 Cancer/Cap
His Saturn/Juno midpoint = 8'30 Cap/Cancer

(a midpoint opp. of 1'45 ~ not supported except ofcourse by a same-planet trine)

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Juno/Jupiter;

My Juno/Jupiter midpoint = 14'24 Libra/Aries
His Juno/Jupiter midpoint = 12'52 Libra/Aries

(conjunct midpoints 1'32 ~ .. LOL I just QUIT finding Mutual cross ones or parallels NOW! Get the feeling how *irrelevant* when there's such a HUGE pattern present?)

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Jupiter/Vesta;

My Jupiter/Vesta midpoint = 4'30 Cap/Cancer
His Jupiter/Vesta midpoint = 3'45 Cancer/Cap

(Opposite midpoints 0'45)

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Vesta/Juno;

This one is an exceptional case. Just like Saturn/Jupiter it's NOT a midpoint alignment but instead a "mixed midpoint aligment".

Important note: this is the ONLY couple that doesn't have Jupiter or Saturn involved. So I'm seeing this as closing a circuit (of some kind ) as it has the same symmetrical vibe as Saturn/Jupiter.

The midpoint of his Juno and my Vesta = 11'03 Cap/Cancer
The midpoint of my Juno and his Vesta = 11'49 Cancer/Cap

(opposite midpoint 0'46)

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Ok, forgotten one? No, I don't think so.
The most interesting thing to me is, that the 2 biggies Jup./Sat. are involved in this huge Helio-construction.

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Ooooow my.. I forgot Pallas a bit.. ;

My Pallas 26'42 Aries
His Pallas 23'59 Leo

My Saturn/Pallas midpoint = 12'42 Taurus/Scorp
His Saturn/Pallas midpoint = 10'28 Scorp/Taurus

(opposition 2'04)

His Jupiter/Pallas midpoint = 14'49 Leo/Aqua
My Jupiter/Pallas midpoint = 16'42 Aqua/Leo

(opposition 1'53)

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My guess with the next comparisons would now be - as neither Jupiter/Saturn is involved - that again we'll get the "mixed midpoint alignment";

And ofcourse, I'm soo right;

Pallas/Vesta;

The midpoint of my Pallas and his Vesta = 14'07 Taurus/Scorp
The midpoint of his Pallas and my Vesta = 13'00 Scorp/Taurus

(opposition 1'07)

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Pallas/Juno;

The midpoint of my Pallas and his Juno = 23'23 Aqua/Leo
The midpoint of his Pallas and my Juno = 22'54 Leo/Aqua

(opposite midpoints 0'29)

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This all is strrrrrrrrange .. isn't it?

I get the feel of some sort of opposite repetition in the Helio sky.

And "coincidentally" THESE (famous) asteroids?

So, Helio is NO joke?
So, These asteroids are NO joke?

It seems all sooo structured but I can't lay my finger exactly on it..

Also, Juno/Vesta/Pallas all reside in the Main Asteroid Belt, lying between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter. That can't be a coincidence.

We have a tight Ceres/Ceres square (not exactly an asteroid) also, btw.

posted May 10, 2013 02:10 PM            

"His Saturn; Cap 26'56
My Saturn; Taurus 28'41

His Jupiter; Leo 5'39
My Jupiter; Sag 6'59

His Vesta; Gem 1'50
My Vesta; Aqua 2'01

His Juno; Sag 20'04
My Juno; Leo 21'48"

"To start with both our Jupiter & Saturn.

There's NO characteristic of the Bear hug pattern here."
Yes, cause your planets are intertwined, instead of surrounding each other.

"Let's add our Vesta now. Here we get the charachteristics of the Bear Hug"
I don´t see it. Remember the midpoint is not enough, but the other condition (one person`s planets surrounding/ embracing the other one`s has to be fulfilled as well).

Or maybe I don`t see it cause you did not post them in the order for a Bear Hug pattern. Let me look again.

Also the DW aspects have to be between the different planets, not the same ones.

You do have one DW of Jupiter-Vesta-opposition.

But his planets are not surrounding yours or vice versa (if your Jupiter changed place, it would have been the case), so that is no Bear Hug.

His Vesta; Gem 1'50
His Jupiter; Leo 5'39

My Jupiter; Sag 6'59
My Vesta; Aqua 2'01

However, despite it not being a Bear Hug, I think it is definitely relevant, that your midpoint-axes are aligned.

To summarize my thoughts:
No, this is not a Bear Hug pattern, BUT the alignment of midpoints shows it is a huge symmetrical pattern, and leaving Cochrane aside for a moment, THAT is always significant.

Also remember, that Ceres is not an asteroid anymore

When it first was discovered it was being treated as a planet; then got demoted to asteroid status again, and now it is classified (with Pluto) as a Dwarf planet.
I find it sort of balancing justice, that Ceres and Pluto, the big antagonists in the PErsephone myth, have been given equal status now. She was also the first asteroid being discovered.

Vesta is a special case also, as she is the second largest asteroid.
It is also special for it is the brightest asteroid. It is even occasionally visible to the naked eye (without light pollution of course).
How fitting for the goddess of fire, right?

I definitely have felt the impact of the "big" asteroids.
I can actually set my clock to Pallas transits, even without checking the ephemeris. Whenever i am having "weird" spiritual or higher-mind oriented or just something setting my pineal gland ablaze experience, SHE was there. When she met Tr Pluto on my Venus, THAT was an insane night in this regard! LOL

That reminds me let me check for the last two nights.

LOL Well, Tr Pallas was conjunct Tr Sun (and therefore aligned with the solar ecclipse) and of course square my Moon.

And Ceres, yes, I know about Ceres. And it has nothing to do with the godfather of business. Well, at least not exclusively.
Unless you see the growthfactor in business-things.

Personally I have Ceres conjunct Jupiter and square the Mars/Neptune/NN/ASC in my chart.

Interestingly when my parents married Tr Ceres was conjunct my Mum`s NN-MC-conjunction on my DAds progressed Venus.
Then it went retograde, and when I was being born 7 months later (yes, yes, yes, I know, and no, they did not HAVE to marry. My mum would have brought me up on her own, if she didn`t really want to marry my dad or vice versa. She has Uranus in 1st house after all. lol).
Anyway when Iwas being born Tr Ceres had returned to exactly the same spot it was the day my parents married.

posted May 10, 2013 04:59 PM            

And as I saw 2 & 3 so strongly combined in this huge pattern..

I sort of compared both (2 & 3) to a composite alignment in which there's no significant underlying geometry. BUT important. Just no aspects.

Yes I should have made this more clear.
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But I do not get this now;

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His Vesta; Gem 1'50
His Jupiter; Leo 5'39

My Jupiter; Sag 6'59
My Vesta; Aqua 2'01

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Isn't that a case of surrounding?

Thinking back about that chiron/Jupiter Bear Hug of ours I would say this Jupiter/Vesta example is instead even a *more* surrounding case.
So, I must be missing something here.

posted May 10, 2013 05:13 PM            

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His Vesta; Gem 1'50
His Jupiter; Leo 5'39
My Jupiter; Sag 6'59
My Vesta; Aqua 2'01

Isn't that a case of surrounding?"

No the surrounding planets have to be from the SAME person

For example:
his Vesta - your Jupiter - your Vesta - his Jupiter

posted May 10, 2013 05:46 PM            

I NOW get it he.

posted May 12, 2013 09:13 AM            

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I do not believe that higher harmonics are weaker than lower
harmonics, at least up to the 180th harmonic. I believe that
higher harmonics are more internal and less visible externally
but are not weaker.

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That's clear!

by David Cochrane.

posted May 12, 2013 11:53 AM            

Also, I think it is a matter of definition.
While I can imagine that higher harmonics are like a very precise flashlight, ligthening up certain areas (like mathematic skills for example), for compatibility charts I want to start with the very strongly felt basic patterns. And I doubt these will be found in the 357th harmonic, IF they are not already present in the lower ones.

posted May 16, 2013 10:40 AM            

(yea still busy with it lol, must be my uber Scorpio in depth fixedness)

Want to absorb it till I get it I guess (and I think I do more now )

So, a vertex/mercury case.

A true bear hug;

- surrounding case for sure - (my virgo/aqua surround his libra/cap)
- midpoint alignment, orb 0'20

His Vertex semi-sextile my Mercury (0'30)
My Vertex semi-sextile his Mercury (1'11)

On its turn also a questionable Vertex/Moon bear hug, although I DO think it's important because of its connectedness to Vertex/Mercury. Surrounding case/ midpoint alignment of 2'10 and the Mutual cross would be a Novile of 2,50 and 1'50 (one is closer to the decile, hence the doubt)

And let's look at Moon/Mercury now.. what's going on with that, as they're both connected to the vertex??

Well, NOW interestingly enough we get a "mixed midpoint alignment".

The midpoint of his Mercury and my Moon.
The midpoint of his Moon and my Mercury.
(opposite 1'50)

^^ the "mixed midpoint alignment" here is the result of a Merc/Merc trine and a Moon/Moon trine in synastry. Also the angle of both natal Moon/Merc. is "about" the same. In this case a 68 & 72 angle.

To summarise the mixed midpoint alignment in Cochranes words;

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In the Mixed Midpoint alignment, the Sun-Moon angle in his chart is the same as the Sun-Moon angle in her chart, and unlike the composite chart alignment, the planets are in the same phase, i.e.both are waxing, or both are waning. Also the angle of his Sun to her Sun is the same as the angle of his Moon to her Moon, which also occurs in the Midpt-toMidpt alignment.

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And if that wasn't enough our Pallas/Pallas trine is also connected to the bunch above.

For what it's worth, a bear hug case again with pallas/vertex;

- a surrounding case
- a midpoint alignment, opposite 1'20
- a Mutual cross sesquiquadrate (0,5 & 3)

With both Pallas/Merc and Pallas/Moon we again get the mixed midpoint alignment in opposition, orb 1'42 and 3'20.