posted May 05, 2013 04:55 AM            

"o you feel that one to the core?"
I am not sure to be honest. Yes. No.
The thing is that is not the composite with a "real" person, but with a pain in my (karmic?) butt.

It`s the composite with Jude Law, who`s been messing with my mind a lot.
Since even ignoring "him", doesn`t make him go away, and that for such a freaking long time, that there`s something I need to learn about this. Has more to do with me, I think than with him as a person.

So the 1st houe in composite makes a little sense, as it is so very much to the surface, and of course this Venus-NN is on 2 degrees of my Sun-Mercury-conjunction.
(several parts of his natal mirror mine so much, it is beyond creepy.)

"Supported by a Mutual cross-chart aspect or a reverse parallel?"
Allowing a bit greater orbs than Cochrane does - BOTH.

his Moon - his Mercury: waning septile 1°16
my Moon - my Mercudry: waxing septile 0°38

his Moon - my Mercury: sextile 2°52
my Moon - his MErcury: sextile 3°30

"Sun-Saturn exact opp. sounds heavy but IS IT?"
Very. Yes.
Just lately I have been raging a little against ol Saturn.

But anyway, SAturn is also in orb of conjunct the SN.

my Saturn - my SN: waning decile 0°47
his Saturn - his SN: waxing semisextile 1°20 (it is too far from the decile, which explains the 3 degree orb in composite)

my Saturn - his SN: 0°06!
his Saturn - my SN: 5°20 (yes, I know too far, but it is the same aspect!)

my Saturn - his SN: parallel 0°26
his Saturn- my SN: parallel 0°56

No getting away from this Saturn, hu?

"Nept/ASC.. is that a dreamy couple?"
Not a couple at all. It`s all smoke and mirrors, but one with a hook in my subconsciousness, unfortunately.
Wher do you go if you want to exorcise a person?
(cutting threads meditationd id not work; everytime so far I did that, he returned to stage a short while later. LOL And no staying away is not an option either. Drat! Besides it makes me beyond curious how and why this hook is even there; what does it want to tell me about myself? What do I fail to see? What do I have to learn from this?)

Neptune/ASC - just like with Saturn-SN, there was no way around it:

his Neptune - his ASC: waxing conjunction: 3°07
my Neptune- my ASC: waning conjunction: 2°55

his Neptune - my ASC: conjunction: 0°53
my Neptune his ASC: conjunction: 0°41

(interestingly the smoke and mirrors are mutua)

his Neptune - my ASC: parallel 1°35 - out of orb

my Neptune- his ASC: parallel 1°24 - prob. out of orb, too

posted May 05, 2013 04:57 AM            

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Originally posted by mir:
There's a very striking COMPOSITE Juno-pattern noticable in all the relationships that became physical here. Without any exception, Juno/Venus (3x), Juno-Pluto (3x), Juno-Moon (1)... and my first love (the only one I lived together with for 3 years) a Sun/Venus/Pluto/Juno/Uranus stellium (Striking enough I have the same now, minus Uranus). But all the others were stand-alone Juno conjunctions and pretty tight orbs! (the only wide orb was 5 with the moon). Not one Sun/Venus conjunction with them.

I looked at a lot of composites, and I found NONE of that (juno) with others.
So I guess.. it's very personal.

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Wow! That is striking!
Did you notice that Juno-pattern in other composites (not yours), too? Is that specific to you? Or general?

Well, I am not buying the love-stellium thing in composite either. Or just as one important factor.

Interestingly in the composite with the other guy, there is a very exact trine of Juno and Moon in composite.

natally:
his Juno quinkunx Moon: waxing 1°00
my Juno semisextile Moon: waning 0°08

his Juno - my Moon: quadranovile 0°33
my Juno - his Moon: binovile 1°40

(means there is a 9th harmonic mutual cross aspect; in fact our 9th harmonic chart is very interesting:

there is more but focusing on the Juno-Moon:

his Moon, MC, Sun aligned with my Saturn, Juno, Pluto, DESC

and my Moon and Venus with his Juno)

posted May 05, 2013 06:44 AM            

"hat composite has SUCH concentration"
Yes.
It is a bundle with Saturn as the handle.
It reflects the natal patterns.
I have a bucket/ bowl - with Saturn at the handle in 8th house
he has a bundle with Saturn at the handle in 7th house.

Even our rim planets are the same: Jupiter and Pluto. lol

As I said:Mirror

"(and this is cursory look; no declinations, either, obviously) "

declinations in composite:

Sun: 23.25 S
Moon: 23.13 S
Mercury:23.14 S
Venus: 23.19 S
NN: 23.26 S
BML: 22.48 S
Psyche: 23.25 S
Pallas: 23.06 S

Saturn: 23.26N

and

Mars 20.35S
Neptune: 21.39 S
Juno 21.13 S
ASC: 21.40S
Vertex: 21.31 S
Anubis: 21.51 S

and

Pluto 2.40S
MC 2.40 S

Like usually, in the composites with guys who pester my dreams, hypognagogic states and sometimes even astral, Anubis crops up (he is the guide to the astral)

In this case:
Anubis 9.21 Sag conjunct Neptune and ASC
(with the other guy Anubis also sits on ASC)

Pallas on 20 Sag, is also conjunct Moon and Mercury - crap

oh and something for laughs:

composite:
Briede 11.33 Aquarius/ 17.19 S
Groom 10.55 Aquarius / 17.29 S

his natal:
Bried - Groom: waxing trine 1°04

my ntal:
Briede - Groom: waning trine 2°18

The funny thing is, in my chart Groom moves more quickly, in his chart Briede does.

synastry:
his Briede conjunct my Groom 2°22
his Groom conjunct my Briede 3°46

his Briede trine my Briede 4°50 - too wide
his Groom trine my Groom 1°28

(his Bried-my Groom taking place on the Stellium involving both our ASC`s. lol)

BTW for the next months my pr Briede is exactly conjunct his pr Groom.

It is just curious, however sometimes looking at this particular synastry, makes me want to lash out at the world in general for some reason.
Can`t it be BORING and EVENTLESS for once? That is all I am asking for, the absence of anything, you know? Nothingness. But not THIS.

Like:
(yeah yeah, december is coming up, and yeah yeah, certainly I will sit in the theatre, maybe, just maybe I will FINALLY figure it out).

So that very day what I will have is:

my pr Moon: 16.50 Cancer
my natal Saturn: 16.56 Cancer

his natal SN: 16.50 Cancer
his pr DESC: 15.38 Cancer

(of course relating to his natal Jupiter/NN/Destinn/Shakespeare on 17 Capricorn - of all asteroids. )

(oh of course his pr Venus is also conjunct my pr Sun - but that is a long lasting one for some strange reason)

Oh and in case you wonder about Transits:

my pr Moon 16 Cancer
his natal SN 16 Cancer
Transit Jupiter 16 Cancer

(also trines my Juno on 16.56 Pisces and opposes his Jupiter on 17.10 Cap)

Seriously, the astrology of this is RIDICULOUS.

Why can´t it be less ... like that?

"Since yours is hanging out there, apart from the stellium, are we to surmise this indicates a lack of physical manifestation? That part, I'm not very clear on."
Yes, I think so.

I think I have once checked several synastries (not comp. though), and Juno was pretty much always aspec ting Sun or Moon or ASC or something like that, including the quinkunx btw).

In this case here, Juno is not doing much and in fact, despite that heavy strange hooklike feeling (Saturn, Saturn, Saturn), I feel so much less attracted to him than I should. And I have seen him quite close up. Been impressed by his energy, very much so, but I did not develop any kind of crushlike feeling, or that insistency that I feel about the other guy.
Maybe it is just because I will alwys know about the futility of any kind of attraction, but then aagain that has never bothered me before, or kept me from feeling.

Speaking of Juno.

His Juno is in my 12th house, and is exactly conjunct my AMOR and conjunct my Mars by 3 degrees. His BML is also creating havoc in my 12th house, conjunct my Valentine exact, squaring my own BML for instance. His mean BML being exact on my Mars.
His Mars is part of it as well, as he has Mars-BML-Juno conjunction in Scorpio in 12th house.

My Juno is exactly sextile his Jupiter/NN/Destinn/Shakespeare, but - and I consider THAT as the most important thing- it is also square his Saturn on my Karma in 7th house and square his Venus in 1st.

I have found Saturn in challenging aspect to Juno or Eros as quite "unerotic". I haven`t seen Saturn do the same thing in composites curiously though.
Maybe because synastry deals more with how each person feels about the other, and a SAturn-square oropposition to romantic or sexual objects might snuff out any kind of attraction quite quickly. However, I haven`t seen that happening with Saturnt o Sun, Moon or ASC. Here it actually seems to act as kind of glue, even if in challenging aspect.

posted May 05, 2013 06:45 AM            

I think I have once checked several synastries (not comp. though), and Juno was pretty much always aspec ting Sun or Moon or ASC or something like that, including the quinkunx btw).

In this case here, Juno is not doing much and in fact, despite that heavy strange hooklike feeling (Saturn, Saturn, Saturn), I feel so much less attracted to him than I should. And I have seen him quite close up. Been impressed by his energy, very much so, but I did not develop any kind of crushlike feeling, or that insistency that I feel about the other guy.
Maybe it is just because I will alwys know about the futility of any kind of attraction, but then aagain that has never bothered me before, or kept me from feeling.

Speaking of Juno.

His Juno is in my 12th house, and is exactly conjunct my AMOR and conjunct my Mars by 3 degrees. His BML is also creating havoc in my 12th house, conjunct my Valentine exact, squaring my own BML for instance. His mean BML being exact on my Mars.
His Mars is part of it as well, as he has Mars-BML-Juno conjunction in Scorpio in 12th house.

My Juno is exactly sextile his Jupiter/NN/Destinn/Shakespeare, but - and I consider THAT as the most important thing- it is also square his Saturn on my Karma in 7th house and square his Venus in 1st.

I have found Saturn in challenging aspect to Juno or Eros as quite "unerotic". I haven`t seen Saturn do the same thing in composites curiously though.
Maybe because synastry deals more with how each person feels about the other, and a SAturn-square oropposition to romantic or sexual objects might snuff out any kind of attraction quite quickly. However, I haven`t seen that happening with Saturnt o Sun, Moon or ASC. Here it actually seems to act as kind of glue, even if in challenging aspect.

posted May 05, 2013 08:58 AM            

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his Neptune - his ASC: waxing conjunction: 3°07
my Neptune- my ASC: waning conjunction: 2°55

his Neptune - my ASC: conjunction: 0°53
my Neptune his ASC: conjunction: 0°41

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My Parents had this! (looked it up)

His Neptune - his ascendant, waxing 0'17 conjuntion.
Her Neptune - her ascendant, oow there's a difference here, *also* waxing 2,5 conjunction. (but there *IS* a bit doubt about the exact moment of her birth, matter of minutes)

His Nept. - her ascendant 2 (conjunct)
Her Nept. - his ascendant 0'52 (conjunct)

Composite Nept./ASC conj. 1,25.

It seems about the only aspect that meets both the Mutual-cross and the reverse parallel requirements. (in case of such strong conjunctions it can't make that much of a difference if the're both waxing or waning I would say).

Not even their DW Sun-Mercury trine which makes a Composite opposition of 2'07.
There's no reverse parallel and his Sun is trine her Mercury at 3'24.
BUT.. I can relate Sun/Merc. waaaaaaaaaaaay more to them than Nept/ASC... no idea what to make of that. Maybe I'm too "biased" about what it *should* mean, or something.
I'm more inclined to take the Magi-interpretation here, Neptune rules anything that has to do with the long term.

YOUR Moon/Merc. .. I would almost say (supported by the mutual-cross and reverse parallel)... that underlines it ALL! Mind/Emotions... PLUS Nept./ASC being one and not really *that* far from Moon/Merc. ... that's at least the vibe I got.

You reminded me of my recent ex; we had Composite SN exact conjunct Saturn. Relationships that never truly get off the ground is what cafe-astrology makes of it.
Well yes ok it's true in a way, but if I look back, it were the most significant ones in my life. (I had it twice in Synastry also - Saturn/Node conjunction). And to be honest; I'm about as sure as I can be that my relationships will never get that off-the-ground label .. well, when does something get off the ground? If it meets the outward marital bliss requirements? Ok, I know what they mean but that doesn't mean peace or happiness.

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Yes, that Juno-pattern specifically with me. The only one coming close were my parents (composite Juno/Venus conj., orb 6)
(my parents didn't have a Sun/Venus conj.)

posted May 05, 2013 12:41 PM            

I still find it quite amazing that you can have the parallel aspect and the synastric mutual aspect.
It feels somehow "special", because of all the factors that have to *coincide* to make that happen.

BTW I just read in Cochrane`s book and he finds Neptune especially indicative of imagination and idealism, that sense of wonder and magic, that makes you vibrate inside with a certain "meaningfulness".
Of course to those who are not infected by that, the behaviour seems downright silly. lol

He compares it to the feeling children have on christmas morning for example. And I admit it I have that occasionally or even more frequently recently, that feeling of wonder and awe about life in general.

Maybe that has somehting to do with Neptune on my ASC, a certain skill or just trait to see life as something beautiful, magical, full of wonder, which makes me go very quiet inside, but a good kind of quiet. Hard to explain.
It also is totally devoid of "desire". You know usually if we see something beautiful, something that draws us closer, attracts us, we often want to "own" it, do something with it, have it acknowledge our uniqueness as well. I suppose that would be more Venus-though.

However, this certain dreamlike quality, as I see it in Neptune, it doesn`T want anything. It loves, admires, is filled with wonder about something, just because it is there.

"BUT.. I can relate Sun/Merc."
I would definitely think this si a strong one, still.

Also it involves a luminary (though the other one involves an angle - so I guess they are equal in meaning, however the Sun/Merc is more personal)

"YOUR Moon/Merc. .. I would almost say (supported by the mutual-cross and reverse parallel)... that underlines it ALL! Mind/Emotions... PLUS Nept./ASC being one and not really *that* far from Moon/Merc. ... that's at least the vibe I got."
Yes.

Interestingly Moon rules the 8th, Mercury rules the 7th, in all three charts.

"well, when does something get off the ground?"
Exactly.

For myself I would define it as the shared decision to have a relationship (whatever kind that relationship might be).
A certain mutuality probably (though two people can still be in the same relationship for very different reasons).

Does not guarantee bliss. Sometimes if something takes off, it will crash down to earth and burn just a little later. But that does not mean it did not take off in the first place. Actually if it hadn`t, it would not have been able to crash and burn.

"Yes, that Juno-pattern specifically with me"
Yes, I haven´t found it a consistent pattern in other composites. Some had it, others didn`t.

" those stand-alone Juno-Planet conjunctions were not really prone to *more* than just a bit of an physical/erotical play"
So that would contribute to the Magi view on Juno, right?

Speaking of Cochrane. One of the first things he mentioned in his chapter on compatibility is the existence of symmetrical harmonic triangles.

That means three planets in the same harmonic aspect (3rd, or 4th or 9th etc.), with one planet being on the midpoint of the other two.

Well, I kind of noticed that this guy I have been talking about extensively (who is not Jude) and me have such a thing, a 9th harmonic triangle.

My Moon is novile my Venus: 1°
My Moon is quadranovile his Juno: 0°33
my Venus is quadranovile his Juno: 1°33

his Juno opp. my Moon/Venus-mp: 1°02

This plays into the 18th harmonic triangle (which is of course an octave of the 9th harmonic), as his Venus intersects my Moon-Venus-novile (obviouslyh is Venus opposes his own Juno, and that is the reason why all of that aligns).

his Venus= my Moon/Venus: 0°42

posted May 05, 2013 02:29 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:
A minor grand trine (2x sextile, 1x trine) is also a symmetrical harmonic triangle?
A yod?

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Yes. As long as the orbs are really tight (I`d hink 2 degrees, maybe 3 degrees at most).

Let`s say you have
Sun: 10 Taurus
Pluto: 10 Virgo
Moon: 10 Cancer

They are all in aspect to each other, and Moon is on the midpoint of Sun/Pluto.

Sextiles and Trines are part of the 6th harmonic (which of course also includes the 3rd harmonic, as it is 3x2).

In my chart I have a MInor grand trine of the NN-Neptune conjunction, which is sextile my PALLAS-Pluto-trine.
In the 6th harmonic chart of course those objects are all conjunct each other within6 degrees (6 degrees in the 6th harmonic chart = 1 degree in the natal chart).

YOD is also a symmetrical harmonic triangle (12th harmonic)

example from my composite .

Neptune 15 Sag
Mercury 17 Sag

sextile

Pluto 15 Libra

quinkunx

Eros 14 Taurus
IC 16 Taurus

Neptune/Pluto-mp 15 Scorpio (on MC)
Mercury/Pluto-mp 16 Scorpio

Grand trine would be a 3rd harmonic triangle.
T-square would be a 4th harmonic config.
Thor`s hammer would be an 8th harmonic config.

For the 9th harmonic we do not have any names, but these can of course create triangles, too (actually the 9th harmonic is "pure Threeness" lol).

Same for any harmonic. The only important thing is that all aspects have to be part of the same harmonic series.

Ex. 8th harmonic
conjunction-opposition-square- sesisquare - semisquare (but NOT trine or sextile).

(the higher harmonics include the lower, more basic ones; which is the reason that the conjunction - 1st harm-, opposition -2ndharm- and square - 4th harm- is also part of this series. The UNIQUE 8th harmonic aspects are of course the semisquare and sesisquare).

posted May 05, 2013 03:40 PM            

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Yes. As long as the orbs are really tight (I`d hink 2 degrees, maybe 3 degrees at most).

Let`s say you have
Sun: 10 Taurus
Pluto: 10 Virgo
Moon: 10 Cancer

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May I vote for an exception to the rule here?

See this, as an example between 2 persons.

(coincidentally it's us lol)

His Moon 12 Pisces
Her Moon 16 Scorp

His Venus 14 Cap.

(he has a Venus/Moon sextile of 2* degr. natally)

Ok, the orb would be too wide for a MINOR GRAND TRINE.
BUT... the EXACT midpoint of the *trine* involved here is 14 Cap. MAKES the Composite Moon also 14 Cap (and so an utmost important point for *him* as it's exactly on his natal Venus, but also the minor grand trine itself seems stronger because of the added Moon at this specific degree.

It seems pretty out of balance if her Moon was at 12/13 degree Scorp, am I right?

quote:

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In the 6th harmonic chart of course those objects are all conjunct each other within6 degrees (6 degrees in the 6th harmonic chart = 1 degree in the natal chart).

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Wow!! So... 12 degrees in the 12th harmonic chart = 1 degree in the natal chart?

So my Vesta/Jupiter conjunction of 10 degrees in there becomes a .. ah yes, a sextile between them is what I have, ofcourse.

I was looking at orbs of 2 max. How stupid.

So my Venus/Mars in Pisces conjunction with orb 3 in the 9th harmonic...

posted May 05, 2013 04:00 PM            

"coincidentally it's us lol)"
Of course. Coincidence.

"His Moon 12 Pisces
Her Moon 16 Scorp

His Venus 14 Cap."

Oh DEFINITELY. Actually i would make the orb dependent on if there is a midpoint picture involved.

For example if his Venus had been 18 Cap, I would not have used it. Even though it would also have been 4 degrees of your Moon.

But in this case we have an exact midpoint picture - so yes, absolutely.

Just thinking about it. Remember how his Chiron, Mars, Jupiter were technically too far off my Venus to be felt strongly? The Mars-Venus trine is almost 5 degrees wide, and yet, and yet, oh BOY do I feel THAT!

Now, his Chiron on 9 Taurus, his Mars 11 Virgo, his Jupiter 10 Virgo - my Venus 6 Capricorn.

It is not as strong as your example, but there is a wacky midpoint picture involved here, as the midpoint of my Venus and his Mars is at 8-9 Scorpio, and thus Chiron is on its midpoint. Yes, it would have been nicer, if my Venus was on 10 Capricorn. lol But well, it isn`t.

"It seems pretty out of balance if her Moon was at 12/13 degree Scorp, am I right?"
Well, I probably would still count it then, but as it is it seems stronger.

"Wow!! So... 12 degrees in the 12th harmonic chart = 1 degree in the natal chart?"
Yes.
I like to check for conjunctions in the harmonic charts to see which planets are grouped together in harmonic aspect. But then I go back to the natal and check for the exact orbs. And to see if it is a quintile or biquintile or conjunction (for the 5th harmonic - the conjunction will always come up in any harmonic as well).

"So my Venus/Mars in Pisces conjunction with orb 3 in the 9th harmonic..."
It means you have a very tight 9th harmonic aspect between Venus and Mars - and now you need only one of his planets in 40 - 80 - 120- 160 distance to both to have a sexy little 9th harmonic triangle.

posted May 05, 2013 04:09 PM            

My Venus is in 24th harmonic aspect to my Vertex (exact quindecile to be exact)

his Pluto is 75 degrees off my Venus (3/24th) and squares my Vertex (square belongs to the 4th harmonic of course, but is also included in the 24th harmonic; it is the 4/24th aspect).

It is not symmetrical though, I think, because of there is no direct midpoint picture involved.

However, there is another one:

my Venus semisextiles my Mars (2/24th or 1/12th aspect).

His Neptune is 15 degrees of both (1/24th).

So his Neptune is on my Venus/Mars-mp. That is symmetrical.

I think the strongest picture emerges if the midpoint picture involves the midpoint of two planets in the SAME chart, and another`s planet activating it.

Though the other wacky midpoints are still noteworthy, they may not be as insistent.

EDIT:
I think I would pay the 8th and 12th harmonic attention.

The 8th harmonic series resonates with the annual cycle, solar festivals and Moon phases. (this one includes all hard aspects)

The 12th harmonic series reflects the interrelationships between the signs in a zodiac. (this one includes the soft and hard aspects as well as the inconjuncts).

It was an eyeopener for me to see that the First meeting chart`s 12th harmonic had Sun, Moon, Saturn (and Pluto) in a pattern.

Natally he has Sun, Moon and Saturn in a pattern as well (4th harmonic pattern, but that is included in the higher octave: 12th harmonic).

I have Moon an Saturn in a 12th harmonic aspect (quinkunx).

It maybe does not sound like much fun, but it is a shared aspect, and coincidentally was reflected in the sky the moment we met (actually the Saturn-Sun - square was precise).

Actually I think it would have probably a completely turn off for me, if I hadn`t the same or complimentary combo in my own natal chart.
Saturn seems to be very disenchanting until it is written into your natal script. It is still very heavy and serious, but something inside me resonates with it very deeply.

I mean come on, how much coincidence can it be that practically every guy who catches my attention in a romantic context has his Saturn in tight aspect to my luminaries or my Saturn is aspecting his luminaries or nodal axis?

EDIT 2:
Oh btw and naturally in composite Moon is in 12th harmonic aspect to Saturn (quinkunx).

posted May 05, 2013 05:00 PM            

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It means you have a very tight 9th harmonic aspect between Venus and Mars - and now you need only one of his planets in 40 - 80 - 120- 160 distance to both to have a sexy little 9th harmonic triangle.

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My Venus QUADRANOVILE my Mars (0'22).
His Uranus NOVILE my Mars (0'18)
His Uranus QUADRANOVILE my Venus (0'38)

So, Venus opposite the Uranus/Mars midpoint (0'29)

posted May 05, 2013 05:27 PM            

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My Venus QUADRANOVILE my Mars (0'22).
His Uranus NOVILE my Mars (0'18)
His Uranus QUADRANOVILE my Venus (0'38)

So, Venus opposite the Uranus/Mars midpoint (0'29)

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Ow wait a second, there's more going on in this pic.

His MEAN-South Node QUADRANOVILE his Uranus (0'22)
His MEAN-SN QUADRANOVILE my Mars (0'04)
His Uranus NOVILE my Mars (again part).

(and to not forget that his MEAN-SN is conjunct my Venus 0'16).

So, Mean-SN opp. the Uranus/Mars midpoint 0'13.

posted May 06, 2013 01:31 AM            

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Originally posted by mir:
My Venus QUADRANOVILE my Mars (0'22).
His Uranus NOVILE my Mars (0'18)
His Uranus QUADRANOVILE my Venus (0'38)

So, Venus opposite the Uranus/Mars midpoint (0'29)

Ok, Not that spectacular or sexy but it *IS* a symmetrical harmonic triangle.

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posted May 06, 2013 01:35 AM            

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Originally posted by mir:

Still understandable for everyone?

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Yes, surprisingly it is.

posted May 06, 2013 06:37 AM            

Up here you see a 9th Harmonic Chart. The circle is divided in 9 pieces of 40 degrees. All the lines represent the aspects possible in the 9th Harmonic.
(Correct me if I'm wrong).

The coloured area (made out of 3 points) is the 'symmetrical harmonic triangle' mentioned/elaborated in our earlier posts.

Unfortunately I can't read one word of the site I got this pic from. I don't even know which language I look at. http://www.phantomgallery.64g.ru/pyramid/pyr8.htm

Is there a translator in our presence?

It goes something like this; Ñåðûé êîíòóð íà ðèñóíêå ñîîòâåòñòâóåò ãåîìåòðè÷åñêîìó øàáëîíó ÷åëîâå÷åñêîãî òåëà â ïðîñòðàíñòâå íîíàãîíà, à èìåííî â ïðîñòðàíñòâå íàíîãîíàëüíîé ëèíåéíîé ñåòè.

posted May 06, 2013 08:15 AM            

The graph / image depicts actually the human body
and its proportions in terms of the Greek ideal.

In the second image the green figure is the male body, and the gray one the female body. Wow! Could that be a reason the 9th harmonic chart is used in Vedic for marriage partners, soulmates etc.?

It seems that several series of angles depict the human proportions.

30-60-30
60-120-60
150-60-150
120-30-150,
120-120-120

Those would very probably also relate to midpoint pictures.

The aspect series are of the 12th harmonic, but without the square or opposition.

The site goes on to explain then the 8th harmonic, 5th and 7th harmonic.

posted May 06, 2013 11:10 AM            

Anyone mind if I share what I will be finding, once I actually have started to grasp it? (It is not the first time I am reading it, but it takes a lot of braincapacity for me, to actually SEE it - maybe I need to do it practically, with examples.

He proposes many rules for connections, but one thing that he sais is that pretty much the most powerful connection is a tight conjunction and opposition in the composite.
One reason for this is the strong underlying natal resonance (shared aspects) and the strong synastric mutual cross chart aspects, which result in these composite alignments.

Of course there will not be a MASS of tight conjunctions/ opposition (2,5 degrees) in any given composite.
(Personally I check the alignments to 3 degrees - just to be sure I am not missing some, though the closer the more significant I guess).

But checking the composites of married couples and soulmates, it turns out they do indeed have some very unique pivotal ones.
As it seems of now not the same, but unique to each couple.

posted May 06, 2013 04:25 PM            

That's the first thing that got my eye, the ideal female body proportions.

Yea, I read something about that soul-stuff and the 9th. Well, the only thing that got my eye *IN there* was his Ascendant exactly conjunct my MC (NO idea what to make of the harmonic angles) but that would only be a verry strong novile. And both tightly conjunct his Saturn *IN-there* and conjunct my SN *IN-there* (all some type of novile). (all on my natal South Node).

But really, that's IT. It's not very interesting, I tell you (compared to the normal synastry).

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Anyone mind if I share what I will be finding, once I actually have started to grasp it? (It is not the first time I am reading it, but it takes a lot of braincapacity for me, to actually SEE it - maybe I need to do it practically, with examples.

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posted May 06, 2013 06:00 PM            

:stre-e-e-e-e-etch:

:blinkblinkblink:

:shields-eyes:

I've re-emerged from my cave. This time, I had quite a lot of physics to do whilst in it, but, of course, I cheated and ended up reading my Lehman 'roids book ... and contemplating the strange impact of Nemesis in my life and relationships.

Where were we?

Oh!

Right.

:glares at the applying quincunx of t-Ura to n-Merc:

As if the Saturn conjunction isn't limiting and boggling enough!

JUNO: I'm inclined to disagree on the overall significance of it's being limited to major aspect involvement. In some circumstances, yes, but I don't think THAT's the clear marker. Saturn doesn't prevent the manifestation of a relationship, either; in some ways, it'll certainly cement it - as we might expect.

COCHRANE: I'm using asteroids which are clearly prominent and in a configuration. Plllbbbth. So there.

... I know there was something else. Drat! It'll come to me.

posted May 06, 2013 08:41 PM            

I said:

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Yea, I read something about that soul-stuff and the 9th. Well, the only thing that got my eye *IN there* was his Ascendant exactly conjunct my MC (NO idea what to make of the harmonic angles) but that would only be a verry strong novile. And both tightly conjunct his Saturn *IN-there* and conjunct my SN *IN-there* (all some type of novile). (all on my natal South Node).

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So, in the 9th harmonic we have;
- his SATURN/ASC
- my South Node/MC
(conjunct all)

Makes;

His Saturn trine my MC (0'13)
His ASC trine my SN (0'24)

(Honestly I never paid a finger attention to those aspects)

And now it turnes out they're connected in a symmetrical 9th harmonic pattern. Not a triangle this time but a quartet.

His Saturn B-Novile his ASC (0'20)
My SN BI-Novile my MC (0'30)

(BI-Novile = 80 degr.)

posted May 07, 2013 07:04 AM            

"and contemplating the strange impact of Nemesis in my life and relationships.2
the one who became a catalyst for plunging me into the underworld, sending me through ice and fire, smashing my whole world to pieces (not his fault though) - his Nemesis conjuncts my Sun, my Nemesis opposes his Moon. Nuff said.

":glares at the applying quincunx of t-Ura to n-Merc:2
Oh the flashes of insights!

"As if the Saturn conjunction isn't limiting and boggling enough!"
Nothing limiting about Uranus though. But makes it harder to focus.

"JUNO: I'm inclined to disagree on the overall significance of it's being limited to major aspect involvement. 2
I am not sure what you mean by that?

"Saturn doesn't prevent the manifestation of a relationship, either; in some ways, it'll certainly cement it - as we might expect."
Yes, I totally agree.

In fact with my very own personal harmonic triangle of Moon-Juno-Saturn, saturn is even a necessary ingredient to make me even consider someone as serious bonding potential. Since it is basically a 12th harmonic triangle (Moon semisextile Juno, Moon quinkunx Saturn with the stable basis of the tightest aspect in my chart, even tighter than Moon quink. Saturn - Saturn trine Juno), of course adjustments need to be made.

"COCHRANE: I'm using asteroids which are clearly prominent and in a configuration. Plllbbbth. So there."
I am doing, too. though I find myself focusing on some, like Juno, Psyche, Eros, Amor and Valentine. Pallas for telepathy as well, and Ceres for the nurturing part. And Vesta. sometimes. lol
oh and of course Lilith, Black Moon Lilith I mean. how could I ignore her, who is just as much a merger of Sun, Moon and Earth as the nodal axis is (just in different ways).

However, I find myself unusually easily and completely agreeing with his findings on "pattern-astrology".

I myself find valuing quality over quantity anyday, and increasingly. Meaning, I rather find a few really pivotal, tight and gobsmacking constellations than a dozen 8 degrees septiles. lol

posted May 07, 2013 07:05 AM            

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Originally posted by mir:
No peace here before everything glued together (or; being visualized).

I said:

So, in the 9th harmonic we have;
- his SATURN/ASC
- my South Node/MC
(conjunct all)

Makes;

His Saturn trine my MC (0'13)
His ASC trine my SN (0'24)

(Honestly I never paid a finger attention to those aspects)

And now it turnes out they're connected in a symmetrical 9th harmonic pattern. Not a triangle this time but a quartet.

His Saturn B-Novile his ASC (0'20)
My SN BI-Novile my MC (0'30)

(BI-Novile = 80 degr.)

Interesting. But I'm aware, mainly angles here.

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Nothing more impactful than angle-patterns though!

posted May 07, 2013 08:02 AM            

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Of course there will not be a MASS of tight conjunctions/ opposition (2,5 degrees) in any given composite.
(Personally I check the alignments to 3 degrees - just to be sure I am not missing some, though the closer the more significant I guess).

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I checked my Ex (the only one I lived together with for 3 years, even married for residence permit);

Composite-Virgo stellium;

- Pluto 20'43
- Sun 23'20
- Juno 24'30
- Uranus 24'43
- Venus 27'58

(SEXTILE Neptune 22'45)

The only aspect that has a mutual-cross aspect and a reverse parallel is Sun/Uranus;

His Sun/Uranus sextile (0'03)
My Sun/Uranus sextile (2'50)

His Sun semi-sextile my Uranus (1*)
My Sun semi-sextile his Uranus (1'45)

If I look back I was absolutely NOT ready to commit myself to anyone at that time (I was only 18-21) while he *WAS* (him 8 years older) but it was a very verrrry intense relationship. And ofcourse, every struggle had to do with ME not ready for commitment. I never had a guy (later in life) like him that did *anything* to keep me (he loved me). I could only appreciate that when I went through a whole lot more sh*t with guys later in life.

Still stunned that I now - 20 years later - have the same stellium, minus Uranus.

In Libra 5th this time;

- Sun 19'25
- Juno 20'08
- Venus 21'58
- Pluto 23'32

(SEXTILE Neptune 22'04)

(another similarity is both stelliums sextile Neptune while Mercury very loosely conjunct)

But here no support by a mutal-cross AND reverse parallel.

Only Juno/Sun = Mutual cross (sesquiquadrate)
With ex Sun/Juno was a 82 degree both sides = no aspect. Goshh.. I still can't grasp that something like that would matter!

The current Venus/Pluto is like this;

- My Venus/Pluto sextile (2'08)
- His Venus/Pluto sextile (5*) (way too wide)

- His Venus Sesquiquintile my Pluto (1'40)
- My venus Sesquiquintile his Pluto (1'27)

*In Helio there IS a Venus/Pluto Mutual cross + reverse parallel*