posted May 07, 2013 12:01 PM            

- His Venus Sesquiquintile my Pluto (1'40)
- My venus Sesquiquintile his Pluto (1'27)"

Yes, I think though, Cochrane uses the very tight orbs particularly for composite alignments. And it makes sense if you think about it. If you use much greater orbs than 2 degrees in composite, it could relate to synastric aspects of 10 or 12 degrees (since you use the midpoint, you would cut the distance in half, so might end up with "only" 5 degrees in composite).

But in these cases there very often the underlying geometrical pattern will crumble or be not existent. No midpoint, no anything, which strengthens the aspect.

"Would Cochrane really use the same orbs for Minor aspects in this?"
Well, the 2-3 degree orbs are probably only in terms of composite conjunctions and oppositions.
The natal or synastric aspects can come with different orbs.

For example:
our Mercury-Neptune-conjunction in composite is 2 degrees wide.

my Neptune is conjunct his Mercury exact
his Neptune is conjunct my MErcury wiiiide (5 degrees).
But in the composite, as you cut the orb in half, of course the conjunction ends up having about 2 degrees.

my Mercury/Neptune-mp: 17°30 Sag
his Mercury/Neptune-mp: 14°55 Sag

The conjunction of these midpoints are a bit wide (personally I wouldn`t really use anything over 2 degree orb with direct midpoints, and much smaller with indirect ones).

I`d say this one is at the "far end" of the significance-scale (though it is still pretty significant as a conjunction with 2 degree orb and involved in strong planetary geometry).

But this shows clearly that once you exceed this orb for composite alignments, the underlying geometry might simply not be there anymore.

The case of the Amor-NN is different.
The orb for that conjunction is only 10 minutes of arc.

His Amor squares my NN 1°06
my Amor squares his NN 0°46

We do not really have an aspect natally with Amor-NN, 8 degree angle each.
It doesnīt matter much though, it is just important that the angle is the same. Of course having a shared aspect wouldh ave been even more significant.
I think the difference to a shared aspect is that with a shared aspect you are already sharing a character trait or know about an issue you want to work on or resolve, whereas with conjunctions that happen without a shared natal aspect, something pretty new comes to the forefront through that other person touching your life.

Like neither of us knew that Amor-NN even WAS an issue, until we met. But the NN-Amor in composite shows that it definitely IS a bonding principle between the two of us, something that has to emerge through the connection.

The fact that there is a mutual cross aspect of course strengthens that EVEN more, but also, it is a square, so there is some innate tension, some "HU?"-moment involved.

my Amor/NN-mp: 6°09 Sag
his Amor/NN-mp: 5°13 Virgo

as a matter of fact this would be a 4th harmonic composite alignment.
Composite alignment ALWAYS means conjunction or opposite. And 4th harmonic relates to the mutual cross chart aspect, the DW in synastry, which is a square in this case.

posted May 07, 2013 09:34 PM            

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"Would Cochrane really use the same orbs for Minor aspects in this?"
Well, the 2-3 degree orbs are probably only in terms of composite conjunctions and oppositions.
The natal or synastric aspects can come with different orbs.

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Yesss that makes sense.

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We do not really have an aspect natally with Amor-NN, 8 degree angle each.
It doesnīt matter much though, it is just important that the angle is the same. Of course having a shared aspect wouldh ave been even more significant.

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That's exactly what kept me wondering.
That Sun/Juno of ours.. ok, yes a DW sesquiquadrate at 1. But our natal orbs also 8 degree (and that's the 2nd time I run into an "invalid" 8 orb reverse parallel, so the 3rd including you!) while if you think about it.. there's no way you will get the composite alignment without it.

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I think the difference to a shared aspect is that with a shared aspect you are already sharing a character trait or know about an issue you want to work on or resolve, whereas with conjunctions that happen without a shared natal aspect, something pretty new comes to the forefront through that other person touching your life.

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Ok yess, a shared aspect = a "legitime aspect", an already existing aspect.

Well I like your Original way of thinking!

A new sound to the (still) non-existing aspects!

posted May 08, 2013 01:40 AM            

Of course had it been an actual aspect it would have been stronger. (probably including the lower minor aspects as well; personally I would not go beyond the 9th harmonic in terms of minor aspects, as from then on things get very very subtle and internal, while the 8th harmonic or even the 5th harmonic can be felt pretty strongly).

"Well I like your Original way of thinking!"
Thanks.

"And well.. let's be honest.. we can't blame our Universe,.. but we can blame human hands!"
What do you mean?

posted May 08, 2013 07:03 AM            

I found btw, our most exact conjunction in the Composite (unsupported) .. well you were right about the so often found composite chiron-alignments (= conjuntions/oppositions) with many couples.. we don't have ONE with a planet.. but I saw an exact 0'00 Chiron/Vertex opposition, or; Chiron/Anti-vertex conjunction. The natal midpoints Chiron/Vertex in the declinations are also exact in opposition. Verry striking and it let me think we may indeed not underestimate the Composite declinations.

In Helio the most exact (0'03) composite aspect is a Mars/Eris (not erOs!) conjunction wich *IS* supported by 2x sextile + some verry minor aspect being the Mutual-cross.
We also may not underestimate Eris' importance, me thinks.

Although I'm still not sure about rocks and its influence I looked at *HYGIEA* (the 4th largest asteroid in our solar system) Well, if it's so much bigger than Juno, why don't we hear anything about this rock? Why not; Ceres, Vesta, Pallas and Hygeia?

Well, I was a bit flabbergasted to find this Hygeia rock exactly on my ascendant/mercury conjunction.

In the HELIO synastry I found a DW trine (both 2* degr.) Hygeai-Neptune which in the Composite makes an exact opposition of 0'16.
And yes, also supported by 2 pretty exact natal BiNoviles.

posted May 08, 2013 07:45 AM            

"We also may not underestimate Eris' importance, me thinks.2
I take notice of any multiple very tight alignment.
Personally I havenīt come across Eris as being so ultra signficant yet; but maybe that is just in my own chart.
However, I have noticed others use it regularly. but we need to remember to keep the orbs ultra tight with her, and only use her in connection to personal planets or angles or other fast moving points, as she is so far out there, she is pretty slow moving.

my own Eris is on 12 Aries, his Eris is on 13 Aries, and we have been born 5 years apart!
Judeīs Eris, heīs 2 years older than me, is on 12 Aries. - so not a very quick mover at all (even Pluto managed to move almost 20 degrees in this time).

2 Well, if it's so much bigger than Juno, why don't we hear anything about this rock? Why not; Ceres, Vesta, Pallas and Hygeia?"
Because size doesnīt determine the significance of any object. At least according to some astrologers, others would of course look at Hygieia, too. Personally I also find her to be interesting and important.

If size really matters, it makes no sense to use Eros for example. Just a rock in space, not even that large of a rock.
I am using asteroids, however I am not absolutely solid in my opinion on them.

the only planets or objects that REALLY ifluence life on earth are Sun and Moon.

Even the other planets do not matter in that regard. But for most astrology is a symbolic language, more a reflection of what happens on earth, than the rocks and planets really affecting life on earth in biological terms.

I do think however that if the symmetry is striking it is worth investigating it, even if it may just be a very personal pattern, which might not be as important for others.

posted May 08, 2013 09:32 PM            

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"but I saw an exact 0'00 Chiron/Vertex opposition, or; Chiron/Anti-vertex conjunction. "
i once read in a book (karmic love) that the author was associating the Chiron/Vertex-connection with twinsouls particularly (though his view on twinflames was not necessarily a romantic one or not exclusively).

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Now you mention the importance I suddenly feel the worth of my natal Saturn which is the contra-antiscia of his Saturn (0'53) while my Saturn conjunct the composite chiron/anti-vertex (0'23) and his Saturn the antiscia of the composite Vertex (0'30) ~ and parallel it.
+ my Saturn is the antiscia of his Chiron (0'13) while ofcourse then his Chiron is the antiscia of the composite chiron/anti-vertex.

posted May 09, 2013 06:22 AM            

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Originally posted by mir:
Now you mention the importance I suddenly feel the worth of my natal Saturn which is the contra-antiscia of his Saturn (0'53) while my Saturn conjunct the composite chiron/anti-vertex (0'23) and his Saturn the antiscia of the composite Vertex (0'30) ~ and parallel it.
+ my Saturn is the antiscia of his Chiron (0'13) while ofcourse then his Chiron is the antiscia of the composite chiron/anti-vertex.

Lol lost.

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Sounds very serious. Some might say karmic, but definitely a lot of glue there. You can`t escape that Saturn.
You mentioned that you used to have issues around commitment, maybe strong Saturn aspects make it more likely or easier to feel committed?

posted May 09, 2013 07:35 AM            

Preface

° composite alignments = conjunction/Opposition in the composite chart (no other aspects)

° orb: 2,5 degrees, but 1,5 degrees are necessarry for strong bonding patterns
(this relates to the composite alignments, not necessarily the synastric or natal aspects - the orbs for composite need to be much tighter than natal orbs to ensure the underlying principles, that are indicative of the bonding patterns, are still at work)

Also, he mentions that the composite of transits to natal chart is equally valid, and perhaps even more important than transit aspects to natal planets.

posted May 09, 2013 07:41 AM            

compatibility key 1: composite alignments (conj./ opp.): VERY powerful

reasons for the powerfulness of composite conjunctions and oppositions:

1) mutual cross chart angle or aspect (synastry)

2) parallel angle or aspect (natal)

DEGREES of POWER
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most powerful
composite alignment that is supported by mutal cross aspect AND parallel natal aspect

second most powerful
composite alignmetn that is supported by mutual cross aspect but NO parallel natal aspect

maybe not third most powerful, but still important
composite alignment thta is supported by parallel natal aspect but NO mutual cross aspect.

(I think aspects would include the lower harmonics and minor aspects as well; probably up to the point when their effect gets too internal to be anything but subtly seen; so the aspect series would include the 5th, 7th, 8th, 9th and 12th harmonic and probably the quindecile; but most likely the major aspects would have the srongest effect)

posted May 09, 2013 07:45 AM            

° 2 planets in a chart are surrounded by the same 2 planets in the other chart

2 conditions for this pattern
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1) A`s planets surround the same planets in B`s chart

2) A`s planets make the same angle to B`s planets

3 CHARACTERISTICS of a Bear Hug pattern
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1) triple mutual angle:
let`s say there is a Bear Hug Pattern with Sun and Moon.

So A`s Sun and Moon would surround B`s Sun and Moon
AND
the angle of A`s Sun to B`s Moon is the same as the angle of A`s Moon to B`s Sun

in the composite the same angle between these planets will occor again

2) Reverse shift
Let`s say A`s Sun is 10 Sagittarius, B`s Moon is 10 Libra, B`s Sun is 10 Leo and A`s Moon is 10 Gemini

First condition is fulfilled; as A`s planets surround or embrace B`s planets like a bracket.

Second condition is fulfilled, too, as A`s Sun is 60 degrees of B`s Moon, and A`s Moon is 60 degrees of A`s Sun - so the same angle is existent.

However, A`s Sun is 60 degrees AFTER B`s Moon, while A`s Moon is 60 degrees BEFORE B`s Sun - that is what he means by reverse shift, and of course that is just another way of saying that A`s planets surround B`s planets.

3) midpoint alingment
there is a conj./ opposition of both people midpoints`

A`s Sun/MOon: 10 Virgo (or Pisces)
B`s Sun/Moon: 10 Virgo

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also of importance:
parallel aspects

shared aspect in the natal charts of two people, which shows they have a characteristic in common, which is conductive to friendship (or as I usually put it, potential for "common ground")

The composite alignment and Big Bear Hug pattern are powerful, because there is more than 1 interaction between 2 planets

if the cross chart angle is also an aspect , then the pattern is extremely powerfula nd becomes an extremely powerful bonding force between two people

The comp. alignment is powerful even if an aspect between the planets is not involved because there is by definition an aspect in the composite chart.

the Bear Hug pattern, however, has only the aspect of a conjunction or opposition of midpoints which is much less significant, so therefore a Bear Hug pattern is very powerful only if someo of the angles involved are also aspects.

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he introduces the term "harmonic composite alignment", which means that you take into consideration what mutual cross aspect is underlying the composite alignment.

In Jude`s and my case, the composite Moon-Mercury-conjunction is the result of a DW of Moon sextile Mercury. So this would be a "6th harmonic composite conjunction".

Our Neptune - ASC conjunction however is the result of mutal conjunctions, so quite a "pure" image here. a 1st harmonic composite conjunction (1st harmonic is conjunction anyway)

he also mentions that a mutual cross chart aspect always produces either a composite alingment pattern or a bear hug pattern.

So, he concludes this "key"

third most powerful

a harmonic bear hug pattern that is reinforced by a mutual cross chart aspect (of course of the same planets that make the bear hug pattern)

posted May 09, 2013 08:21 AM            

(my favourite one and he taught me something new here!)

° these alignments are important becaus ethe degree involved is critical; any transti of that degree activates the composite and the individual`s chart!

(that is how I always seen its importance, yes, but now comes the new thing, that which I have not really realized before, but it is vital in terms how to interprete that pattern)

° there is a resonating angle involved

example:
A`s Venus at 10 Taurus and A Mars at 20 Taurus; B Mars at 00 Taurus

composite Mars 10 Taurus conjunct A`s natal Venus

The angle of persons A Venus to both his/ her own Mars and to person`s Mars is 10 degrees. Person B`s Mars is at a "balancing point" on the other side of A Venus. Sort of a very individual solstice point or refleciton point, as I thought reading this.

He sais: "This balancing point seems to be a positive point of fulfillment for person A, and almost equally fulfilling for Person B who feels the inclination o provide the qualitiy of that planet in relationship to the planet in person As chart" (p. 172)

How I would interprete it that, since the composite planet is the sum of both individual`s planets, they are both participating in its energy or quality. So if my natal planet is conjunct the composite Moon, of course I am relating to the emotional athmosphere of the relationship. but what does MAKE this athmosphere?
It is realy the relating of both lunar principles in the natal charts, and being equidistant from my planet, it is like I see in the other person (his Moon) qualities about my own internal lunar experience reflected, and thus might feel quite bonded to this, as he opens gateways for me to touch upon that feeling or principle inside.

But back to Cochrane

fourth most powerful is a conjunction or opposition of a composite planet to a planet in one of the individuals chart. The fifths most powerful connection is this same alignment, when not supported by aspects

For example:
My Venus might be conjunct the composite Mars, but if my Venus was trine my own Mars and also his Mars, it would be stronger and more powerful, as if the angle was, letīs say 22 degrees.

However he also sais, that the existence of such an alignment alone, even without underlying synastric aspects, is very significant, whereas a Bear Hug pattern is ONLY significant WITH the underlying cross chart aspects.

posted May 09, 2013 08:26 AM            

For example.
A Moon 80 degrees of B Venus and both 40 degrees to A Mars

That would be a 9th harmonic triangle; however, I think it would be stronger if it was symmetrical and involving a midpoint-alignment.

A Moon 80 degrees of A Venus and both 40 degrees of B Mars (in this case B planet would be on the midpoint of A Moon/Venus - maybe one could differentiate midpoints like this, as this would b a 9th harmonic midpoint alignment, which might feel different from a 4th harmonic midpoint alingment - a T-square)

7th most powerful the existence of parallel harmonic triangles

Two people have the same planets in a harmonic triangle.
Like both having Sun, Moon and Jupiter in 3rd harmonic aspects in their natal.

If these overlap, meaning there are cross chart aspects with Sun, Moon and Jupiter, there must aslo be a composite alingment pattern or a bear hug pattern.

posted May 09, 2013 08:33 AM            

We are usually starting with 00 Aries (in tropical zodiac), but there are different starting points possible. For example we know about the Draco chart, which usese the NOrth Node as starting point.
He mentions that one could use the ASC as starting point (which actually makes much sense, as this is our individual ARies point, the entry in this incarnation, and I was rather stunned when I made the calculation, to find that this guy and me share a Venus-Pluto conjunction and opposition in the ASC-zodiac. lol).

Anyway, the interesting thing is that it does not matter where you start the zodiac, the composite aspects will be the same or complimentary aspects.

Meaning. a conjunction can either stay a conjunction or become an opposition; a trine can stay a trine or become a sextile and so on.

posted May 09, 2013 10:12 AM            

This takes time to absorb.

For NOW;

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compatibility Key 2: Bear Hug
° 2 planets in a chart are surrounded by the same 2 planets in the other chart

2 conditions for this pattern
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1) A`s planets surround the same planets in B`s chart

2) A`s planets make the same angle to B`s planets

3 CHARACTERISTICS of a Bear Hug pattern

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I'm not sure if our Chiron/Jupiter falls under the BEAR HUG. Because IS this a case of "surrounding"?

A];
Chiron 26 Cancer
Jupiter 13 Leo

B]
Chiron 14 Aries
Jupiter 27 Scorp

A DW trine.
A trine in the composite (0,07)
A midpoint alignment (opp.)

But well.. Surrounding?? (it's in the best case a SQUINE between both Jupiters and both Chirons)

posted May 09, 2013 10:32 AM            

"A];
Chiron 26 Cancer
Jupiter 13 Leo

B]
Chiron 14 Aries
Jupiter 27 Scorp"

Yes, A`s planets are surrounded by B`s planets.
Two tight trines. okay.

"(it's in the best case a SQUINE between both Jupiters and both Chirons)"
It doesn`t matter I think. Going after the example the aspect should be between the two different planets. in your case Chiron and Jupiter. And you have that.
a 3rd harmonic bear hug. How healing!

the midpoint is on 5 Leo.
I am curious, is that an improtant degree in your natls or composite?

I actually have a Bear Hug pattern as well with the guy in question, though the orbs are fairly generous.

his planets:
Pluto: 21 Libra
Mercury: 9 Sagittarius

my planets:
Pluto: 9 Libra
Mercury: 25 Sagittarius

my planets surround his.
my Pluto sextiles his Mercury exact.
his Pluto sextiles my Mercury a bit more widish (3,5 degrees).

his Pluto/Mercury-midpoint: 15°23 Scorpio
my Pluto/Mercury-midpoint: 17°04 Scorpio

(even though wider than your example; I think it is still in orb to be significant).

in the composite:
Mercury sextile Pluto at 2 degrees

As a matter of fact, our shared Mercury/Pluto-mp (which of course is also in orb of our natal ones) overlays our MC-IC-axis from 16 Scorpio-Taurus.
And therefore sheds some light again on the Yod between

Neptune and Mercury on 15 and 17 sagittarius
Pluto on 15 Scorpio
ERos on 14 Taurus and IC on 16 Taurus

Mercury rules both Descendan`ts; Pluto rules his natal 8th house and my natal 12th (and 11th) house.

And interestingly, the solar ecclipse of today and the transiting nodal axis is falling JUST onto this Scorpio-Taurus-axis.

posted May 09, 2013 11:14 AM            

(1) Composite alignments
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A. ASC conjunct Neptune: 00
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° his ASC conjunct my Neptune (00)
my ASC conjunct his Neptune (00)

° his ASC conjunct his neptune (3)
my ASC conjunct my Neptune (3)

- mutual cross aspect AND parallel angle, so this one would belong in the MOST POWERFUL category

a FIRST harmonic composite conjunction.

B. Moon conjunct Mercury: 00

° his Moon sextile my Mercury: 2°53
my Moon sextile his Mercury: 3°30

orbs are fairly generous, but still within reason.

° his Moon septile Mercury: 1°16
my Moon septile Mercury: 0°39

- MOST powerful category (though keeping in mind the orbs)

a SIXTH harmonic composite conjunction, which interestingly relates to a SEVENTH harmonic shared aspect

(and suddenly the story behind this one conjunctions gets quite detailed;

Funnily in Uranian astrology apparently the 6th harmonic dial is referred to as the "Love Dial". LOL I had no clue, but was stumbling across that, when looking up the 6th harmonic again; not that I do not know what a sextile means, but I thought maybe I will find something new. lol

I wouldnīt go so far though, but rather think the 6th harmonic has a lot to do with "expansive harmony"; with that I mean that people need to be active, communicate to reach the harmony that seems to come naturally with the trine. Thus I relate it more to "communication" than love specifically.

Cochrane relates it to "pleasant sharing with others", the combination of the harmony of the 3 and the activity of the 2.

Anyway underneath natally there is this very introverted, internal septile. Some sort of unique processing of thoughts and emotions for both of us, maybe even inspired, but usually a trait that is very focused and internalized.

Hey I just stumbled across Cochrane mentioning a link to this forum here. lol

http://www.astrosoftware.com/harmonicfirst32.pdf)

Of course we are talking about celebrity - synastry/ composite here, though not easy to verify this in actuality.

But hypothizing, the fact that there are mutual cross sextiles between Moon and Mercury (which have a more external focus, on connection with another being, in form of communication) that accompany the natal septiles (internal processes) would probably help in the expression of what one finds to be important or true after thorough analysis inside one`s head.
Getting it all out on the table and make use of it, so to speak. Of course related to Moon-Mercury-things.

Did I mention that some of his films really made me think? LOL

ther are more in this composite but I am tired now...

B.Moon conjunct Venus: 02
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° his Moon - my Venus: 68 degrees
my Moon - his Venus: 64 degrees
- no mutual cross chart aspect

° his Moon - his Venus: 45 - semisquare
my Moon - my Venus: 41 - 1 degree novile

(see what can happen, even with a 2 degree orb occasionally? lol)

it is still important as a composite alignment, but has nowwhere near the power of the preceding two.

D. Mercury conjunct Venus: 02
° his Mercury - my Venus: 16 degrees
his Venus - my Mercury: 12 degrees

- no cross chart aspect

° his Mercury - his Venus: 7 degrees
my Mercury - my Venus: 11 degrees

nah, I REFUSE to see that as a conjunction, esp. in my case

so same as with the Moon-Venus aspect applies here as well.

E. Sun conjunct NN: 3,5

° his Sun - my NN: 27 degrees
my Sun his NN: 21 degrees

° his Sun- NN: 10 degrees
my Sun - NN: 16 degrees

- so the composite alignment is not supported

F. Sun opposite Saturn: 00

° his Sun - my Saturn: 170 degrees
my Sun - his Saturn: 169 degrees

(at least the orbs are more reasonable)

° his Sun - his Saturn: quadranovile: 2°18 (out of orb, I would say; I like using an 1 and a half degree with the 9th harmonics)

my Sun - my Saturn: quadranovile: 1°01

it is more important as the preceding ones, but nowwhere near as important as the first two; also it seems that it is more important to me, as my quadranovile is within orbs, whereas his isnīt.

G.Pluto conjunct MC: 00
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° his Pluto conjunct my MC:00
my Pluto conjunct his MC: 00

° his Pluto conjunct his MC: 4
my Pluto conjunct my MC: 4

MOST powerful category

FIRST harmonic composite alignment

H. Sun conjunct Psyche: 00
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° his Sun semisquare my Psyche: 1°23 (again fairly wide orb, but still within orb)
my Sun semisquare his Psyche: 0°05 - now that is a tight one!

° his Sun sextile his Psyche: 3°14 (out of orb)
my Sun sextile my psyche: 1°54 (in orb)

it is an ALMOST STRONGEST category one, I`d think, again, more relevant to myself

bascially an EIGHTH harmonic compospite alignment of Sun and Psyche, supported by the 6th harmonic natally.

I.Psyche opposite Saturn: 01

° his Psyche 114 my Saturn
my Psyche 111 his Saturn

- no cross chart aspect

° his Psyche biquintile his Saturn: 0°22
my Psyche biquintile my Saturn: 2°01 (out of orb)

so this would be more relevant to him, but is ultimately unsupported

J.° Amor conjunct BML: 00

° his Amor 5 my BML (no I do not count it as conjunction)
my Amor 5 his BML

° his Amor square his BML (4°16 - out of orb)
my Amor square my BML (3°31 - pretty much out of orb, as well)

so an unsupported composite alignment

K. Juno conjunct Antivertex: 02

° his Juno septile my Avx: 2°00 (out of orb)
my Juno septile his Avx: 1°33

° his Juno septile his Avx: 0°22
my Juno septile my Avx: def out of orb for a septile (around 4 degrees. lol)

hmm, somewhat important, but not really.

So in terms of the first compatibility key according to Cochrane, the most important composite alignments are:

- First harmonic Neptune-ASC-conjunction
- First harmonic Pluto- MC-conjunction
- Sixth harmonic Moon-Mercury conjunction (with the natal septiles in the background)

and possibly:

- Eighth harmonic Sun-Psyche-conjunction
(with natal sextiles).

posted May 09, 2013 01:30 PM            

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a 3rd harmonic bear hug. How healing!

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Yes! It *IS* possible to commit AND to stay breathing lol. Never had that before.

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the midpoint is on 5 Leo.
I am curious, is that an improtant degree in your natls or composite?

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Composite midpoint is indeed 4'45 Leo/Aqua (trine composite vertex 0'02);
Coming closest;
Composite True NN/SN = 6'25 Aqua/Leo.
My natal Sun 7'25 Leo.
His natal Sun/Moon midpoint 6'32 Aqua/Leo.

A composite case of;
Chiron/anti-vertex trine (0'07) Jupiter and trine NN (1'38).

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Your Pluto/Mercury then, is a clear legitime BEAR HUG! As with the composite alignment the "ultimate adviser" is the orb-degree of the comp. conj./opp., with the BEAR HUG it must be the orb-degree of the midpoint alignment (= the CHARACTERISTIC of the Bear Hug). Well, that's about 1,5 (few minutes past)! And then Pluto/Eros and IC/MC overlaying exact .. enough!

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And interestingly, the solar ecclipse of today and the transiting nodal axis is falling JUST onto this Scorpio-Taurus-axis.

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posted May 09, 2013 01:37 PM            

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Composite Chiron/Jupiter midpoint is indeed 4'45 Leo/Aqua (trine composite vertex 0'02);
Coming closest;
Composite True NN/SN = 6'25 Aqua/Leo.
My natal Sun 7'25 Leo.
His natal Sun/Moon midpoint 6'32 Aqua/Leo.

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How could I forget???

posted May 09, 2013 01:57 PM            

Bear Hug pattern with mutual cross aspect:

1) 8th harmonic Neptune/Vertex Bear Hug

my Vertex: 21 Cancer
his Vertex: 24 Cancer
his Neptune: 6 Sag
my Neptune: 10 Sag

° my Vertex sesisquare his Neptune: 0°49
his Vertex sesisquare my Neptune: 0°56
composite:
Vertex sesisquare Neptune: 0°18

° my Vertex/Neptune:0°43 Libra
his Vertex/Neptune: 0°04 Libra

2) 12th harmonic Mercury/Vertex Bear Hug

my Vertex: 21 Cancer
his Vertex: 24 Cancer
his Mercury: 20 Sag
my Mercury: 25 Sag

° Vertex- Mercury quinkunx

3) 6th harmonic Neptune/MC bear hug

my MC: 5 Libra
his MC: 8 Libra
his Neptune: 6 Sag
my Neptune: 10 Sag

° triple aspect: Neptune sextile MC

4) 6th harmonic Pluto/ASC bear hug

his Pluto 4 Libra
my Pluto 9 Libra
my ASC 7 Sag
his ASC 9 Sag

° Pluto sextile ASC

posted May 09, 2013 02:05 PM            

"Composite True NN/SN = 6'25 Aqua/Leo.
My natal Sun 7'25 Leo.
His natal Sun/Moon midpoint 6'32 Aqua/Leo."
That is a clear picture emerging, esp. with the addendum of your Vertex axis.
True Node, Vertex definitely having to do with a certain direction and purpose of a connection, like in my case the MC-IC-connection (just that MC-IC might be a bit more worldly oriented).

You have Sun and Sun/Moon-mp attached to it, so a strong deep resonance on the luminarie`s level. Wow!

"As with the composite alignment the "ultimate adviser" is the orb-degree of the comp. conj./opp., with the BEAR HUG it must be the orb-degree of the midpoint alignment (= the CHARACTERISTIC of the Bear Hug)."
Yes, I think so. The midpoint alignment orb, and maybe also the orb of the resulting aspect in composite. I tend to scratch anything that goes beyond 2 degrees.
I actually think our Mercury/Pluto is legitimate, but pretty much to the far end of the orb-scale. But then again we are strict.

" Well, that's about 1,5 (few minutes past)! And then Pluto/Eros and IC/MC overlaying exact .. enough!"
Yup.

Eros on the cusp of 4th house, Mercury/Neptune in 11th house and Pluto in 8th house.

Interestingly natally Pluto rules his 8th house and my 11th (and 12th house), makes one wonder if maybe I resonate more with the 11th house Mercury/Neptune and he with the 8th house Pluto.
also considering that only HIS Venus-Pluto-squares is strongly triggered by the composite (Moon and Mars).

But then again with the outers and projections you never know.

"My natal Moon is there! 16'31 Scorp "
my own Moon is 17.06 Aquarius.

posted May 09, 2013 03:50 PM            

(btw still doing the composite of Jude and me, in a totally analytical, and emotionally removed kind of way).

conjunctions/ oppositions with the natal chart
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° c- Neptune and c-ASC
- conjunct my NN

° c- Moon
- conjunct my Mercury (3)

- conjunct his Mercury (2)

° c- Venus
- conjunct my Sun and Mercury (1)

° c- NN
- conjunct my Sun (2)

° c-Sun
-(conjunct my Vesta very precisely)

° c- Juno
- conjunct my AVX (3)

- conjunct his AVX (0)

° c-Jupiter
conjunct my Moon (2-3)

° c-Uranus
conjunct his Moon exact

posted May 09, 2013 10:45 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
[b] compatibility key 3: composite planet conjunct or opposition a natal planet

(my favourite one and he taught me something new here!)

° these alignments are important becaus ethe degree involved is critical; any transti of that degree activates the composite and the individual`s chart!

(that is how I always seen its importance, yes, but now comes the new thing, that which I have not really realized before, but it is vital in terms how to interprete that pattern)

° there is a resonating angle involved

example:
A`s Venus at 10 Taurus and A Mars at 20 Taurus; B Mars at 00 Taurus

composite Mars 10 Taurus conjunct A`s natal Venus

The angle of persons A Venus to both his/ her own Mars and to person`s Mars is 10 degrees. Person B`s Mars is at a "balancing point" on the other side of A Venus. Sort of a very individual solstice point or refleciton point, as I thought reading this.

He sais: "This balancing point seems to be a positive point of fulfillment for person A, and almost equally fulfilling for Person B who feels the inclination o provide the qualitiy of that planet in relationship to the planet in person As chart" (p. 172)

How I would interprete it that, since the composite planet is the sum of both individual`s planets, they are both participating in its energy or quality. So if my natal planet is conjunct the composite Moon, of course I am relating to the emotional athmosphere of the relationship. but what does MAKE this athmosphere?
It is realy the relating of both lunar principles in the natal charts, and being equidistant from my planet, it is like I see in the other person (his Moon) qualities about my own internal lunar experience reflected, and thus might feel quite bonded to this, as he opens gateways for me to touch upon that feeling or principle inside.[/B]

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Ow I'm so glad we're equally endowed here..

It's like I can finally place that uber sensitive sweetness between us.. (not joking + yess I like it)

His Venus 14 Cap
His Moon 12 Pisces
My Moon 16 Scorp

Composite Moon 14 Cap

(natal/compo. conjunction of a few minutes)

And now it's my turn

My Saturn 4 gem
My Chiron 14 Aries
His Chiron 26 Cancer

Composite Chiron 4 gem

(0'24 conj.)

ow more going on!;

My Saturn 4 gem
My vertex 5 Aqua
His vertex 5 Libra

Composite vertex 4 gem

(0'24)

Hm.. binding yes. The first out-of-the-blue day he said to me; I know you will never leave me. The best thing I ever heard.

posted May 10, 2013 06:42 AM            

But I can't see the difference..?

Isn't a composite conjunction not ALWAYS of what you stated above ^^

(below would be less relevant as I read it but I don't see the difference... well, what I do see is a difference in aspect-forming)

quote:

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But back to Cochrane

fourth most powerful is a conjunction or opposition of a composite planet to a planet in one of the individuals chart. The fifths most powerful connection is this same alignment, when not supported by aspects

For example:
My Venus might be conjunct the composite Mars, but if my Venus was trine my own Mars and also his Mars, it would be stronger and more powerful, as if the angle was, letīs say 22 degrees.

However he also sais, that the existence of such an alignment alone, even without underlying synastric aspects, is very significant, whereas a Bear Hug pattern is ONLY significant WITH the underlying cross chart aspects.

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posted May 10, 2013 06:51 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by mir:
Ow wait a second, now I'm lost..
The quote below (I just now read) is the follower of my previous quote ^^

But I can't see the difference..?

Isn't a composite conjunction not ALWAYS of what you stated above ^^

(below would be less relevant as I read it but I don't see the difference...)

[QUOTE]But back to Cochrane

fourth most powerful is a conjunction or opposition of a composite planet to a planet in one of the individuals chart. The fifths most powerful connection is this same alignment, when not supported by aspects

For example:
My Venus might be conjunct the composite Mars, but if my Venus was trine my own Mars and also his Mars, it would be stronger and more powerful, as if the angle was, letīs say 22 degrees.

However he also sais, that the existence of such an alignment alone, even without underlying synastric aspects, is very significant, whereas a Bear Hug pattern is ONLY significant WITH the underlying cross chart aspects.

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I am not completely sure I understand what you mean.

But we are talking about a composite planet conjunct/ opposite a natal planet, right?

Okay, example-time

composite Jupiter 10 Gemini
my Jupiter 11 Pisces
his Jupiter 10 Virgo

my nodal axis: 10 Sag-Gemini

composite Jupiter obviously is conjunct my SN.
In this case here composite Jupiter AND my nodal axis is in aspect to both HIS and MY Jupiter (square).
So this would be most significant.

diff. example:
composite Moon: 22 Capricorn
his Moon: 28 Sagittarius
my Moon: 17 Aquarius
my Antivertex: 21 Capricorn

my Antivertex is of course on the composite Moon, and the angle to my own Moon is 26 degrees; the angle to his natal Moon is 23-24 degrees.
Thus the angles are approximately the same (as they have to, or the midpoint/ composite planet would not trigger it) - but the 25 degree angle is not a major or minor aspect.

posted May 10, 2013 06:59 AM            

Composite Moon 14 Cap"
Sweet

Actually funnily HIS natal Venus on 25 Cap is also - though loosely- conjunct our composite Moon on 22 Cap. It is just within orb.

In your case his Venus is also sextile to both sets of Moonīs, so that would make for a 6th harmonic composite-natal conjunction.

"My Saturn 4 gem
My Chiron 14 Aries
His Chiron 26 Cancer

Composite Chiron 4 gem"
Here it is not as obvious. But actually your Saturn is septile both your Chironīs, so a 7th harmonic composite - natal alignment.

(the first one seems to be more on the sharing sweetness kind, and this one focusing on internal growth and healing.

"My Saturn 4 gem
My vertex 5 Aqua
His vertex 5 Libra"
Your Saturnt rine both your Vertex - a 3rd harmonic composite-natal alignment, making for a harmonious fated bond.