posted July 28, 2003 05:58 PM            

Your text books are up to date in that they were recently printed. That doesn't mean they haven't attempted to totally re-write history. Too bad everything most people think they know isn't really true. If only 10% were true, they would rule the world. It's doubtful 50% of college graduates could pass the high school final exams from the 1940's. Hell, I know most teachers couldn't.

You know you're in trouble when you associate works of fiction with reality. Citizen Kane is fiction, along the same lines as Hillary's ghost written but unattributed fictional biography "Living History".

I can understand you not wanting to go directly to the source LL. Why confuse yourself with facts? Gabriel is not one of the fallen Angels.

Facts are such a bother, aren't they? http://www.execulink.com/~wblank/gabriel.htm

jwhop

posted July 29, 2003 03:22 AM              

don't worry i'm Libra it's all fun and games,non?

posted July 29, 2003 03:34 PM            

Most Freemason's or those entrenched in that freaky culture would not condone women at high levels. If Dubya fully subscribed to that philosophy we would not have seen women in his realm, such as Condi Rice, Katherine Hughs, (even his wife for that matter) and other prominant women.

I have had the displeasure of working with a freemason boss that would not even acknowledge my existence and he felt women were nothing more than chattel.

posted July 29, 2003 03:51 PM            

We have a Freemason lodge here and I ask one of the higher ups in it how they choose someone to recruit. He answered "well, we don`t choose any fools..." answered my question .

posted July 29, 2003 04:47 PM            

Look at Liberia for what? Do you have information that the President has already committed troops to Liberia. Last I heard, there were American forces offshore on ship but none on the ground in Liberia.

What are your reasons for letting the slaughter of Liberian civilians continue by both government and rebel forces.

You say George W Bush is a Free Mason. What is your source for that statement? Where and when was he initiated into the brotherhood and what degree is he?

Why won't the "Road Map" to peace between the Palestinians and Israelis work?

posted July 29, 2003 04:52 PM              

Not just the US... need examples...?

BBC

Abu Dhabi

Al-Jazeera

The Herald...I think that's its name, it's the #1 paper in mainland Europe
(Essentially, the NY Times of Europe, and coincidentally owned by... the NY Times, lol)

posted July 29, 2003 07:59 PM            

Don't remember expressing any beliefs in my previous post to you. Think I was asking questions. But yes, I can change my mind---with "proof" my beliefs are ill founded. But, I did say proof, not rumor, supposition, innuendo and gossip.

Considering the civilians in Liberia have asked for the President to intervene in Liberia, I don't think a couple of thousand American troops are too many to help keep the peace in conjunction with willing African nations. Nor do I see anything amiss about Taylor stepping down. He has a terrible human rights record of murder, torture and starving his people.

The US doesn't make the AK-47. The Soviets did and the Chinese still do make a version of that weapon.

The US didn't "let" or assist Saddam Hussein to come to power in Iraq. He murdered his way to the top. Here's the history of his rise to power.
http://7-12educators.about.com/library/bio/blahussein.htm

Neither did the US "let" Hitler come to power in Germany. He was elected by the German people---after he had whipped them up to a frenzy of discontent. You can read lots about that here.
http://www.coursework.info/111/

Would tend to disagree that removing dictators and assisting the institution of representative government breeds dictators.

jwhop

posted July 29, 2003 09:06 PM              

So far the best I've found so far about the beloved Bushie is this: on Aug. 01-2000 on an interview with cnn.com he said that"My heritage is part of who I am."

Now, an upset born-again christian could look into that and say, ok Big Bush apparently is a freemason of the '33. That must mean that Lil Bush is too. and judging from the statement about his illuminary heritage, Why wouldn't he be then too? Also, during his inauguration he placed his hand on the Masonic Bible, and faced the Washington Monument which cristians claim to be a satanic symbol - the obelisk. Ignore or not I dunno?? Personally I dunno bout all that, but I bet UR shaking head? LOL

posted July 29, 2003 09:39 PM              

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Christian = Antichrist?
Wow, now the shi* is really getting deep. Why in the hell do such open minded people (or so they profess) have to take so many slaps at Christians? Are those of you that denegrate Christians exempt from ills of the past caused by the belief that you subscribe to? Were there no other groups that persecuted another?

I am a Christian and I am dam* proud of it. If that makes me evil, then maybe I should now change my name to Pidevil. LOL...give me a freaking break. I've read more intelligent crap in mad magazine. Personally, I have no problem with people that do not believe in organized religion, God, Jesus, or the tenets of Christianity, but I do have a major problem with self-righteous idiots that feel it is there divine right to get on their soap box and associate me, my God and my religion with the anti-christ.

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pidaua

my interpretation is that you directed that particular post at me, and this is my response. if it wasnt please let us know who it was directed at so there is no confusion in the future.

slaps at christians? i never said anything about christians individually, i meant the institution of christianity and the way its been used as a method of control and i was VERY CLEAR on that. i really dont care what religion people are, so long as i am not forced to be subjected to it, and its not being used to hurt others. i personally dont happen to believe that jesus christ was the son of god, however perhaps you have missed various posts around LL where i have mentioned that jesus had some very good guidelines for life.

i do not *have* an institutional belief insofar as religion, so therefore i really dont think that there is context for me to apply my belief system to in the manner you desire regarding 'ills'. i am the only one who believes exactly what i believe, that i know of anyway, and so there is no basis for comparison. in any event i already covered that i never said a damn thing about individual christians, but the institution. christianity really works for some people, on an individual level, and GOOD ON THEM! i think thats terrific. oddly enough the ones who are as christian as you can get re: following christs principles are the ones who do not attack me or my character for my beliefs. they are most respectful, and i too am of them.

there have been lots of groups that have persecuted other groups, and if you cared to notice, i mentioned other religions aside from christianity. i did however withhold much of my opinions of islam for example as i admittedly do not know as much about it and would hate to post something i was not absolutely sure of vis a vis accuracy, but i do think my point was pretty clear without treatises on every religion.

i do not see where you can say that anyone said that all christians were the antichrist and/or evil. i have carefully reread all my posts in this thread, and i dont know where you are getting that from. perhaps someone else? cause i really dont see it. it honestly astounds me that someone could glean that from my posts!

i am hurt that you insult my intelligence by saying you have read more intelligent 'crap' in mad magazine? thats a low blow. its plainly obvious that i am quite bright and should you require proof i can arrange that at your request. its one thing to say my opinions are not valid but to insinuate that i (or anyone else for that matter) am intellectually stunted and base? where does christ counsel for personal attacks against others, not to mention taking the first blow?

as to your last comment, you have no problem letting people believe what they want, but have a problem with 'self righteous idiots' (again with personal attacks, wwjd) getting on soapboxes to associate your god and religion etc with the antichrist. point one- nobody said anywhere that i can see that christians were the antichrist which has already been covered, but obviously it needs pointing out again. point two- sorry, but your religion *is* associated with the antichrist, what, is the antichrist a hebrew or islamic invention? the bible is the first book in history to mention an 'antichrist', so im sorry but its a part of the dogma and that statement of yours really makes no sense.

even still, i am positive you are quite intelligent, and no that is not sarcasm but an honest appraisal of the facts. thankfully i can be gracious in the face of opposition. i point that out not to seem self righteous, but to set an example.

~anais

posted July 29, 2003 11:54 PM            

In short reply: I saw the comparison of anti-christ and Christian and that was enough. I was not saying that you were stupid or what you wrote belonged in mad magazine, but I was comparing the idiocy of a "friend of a friend of some bush people out in the boonies that never saw a white man or saw TV or even know what is going on, all of a sudden have a dream / premonition / enlightenment that Bush is the antichrist".

When I answered I took all of what I read into a whole and addressed it in one post rather than just break it down and responding to each person. For the record, I think that you are very intelligent and would never label you as "crap" or that what you write belongs in mad magazine.

I have already seen, in numerous threads, most people bashing Christians. I am not going to point fingers or say "Hey what about this religion or that". I am just tired of all the Christian bashing, especially when it seems that there are so few Christians on this board.

Most of the Christian tenents are based on a semi-pagan belief system and even in the Bible there men and women that practiced (without condemnation) other forms of worship, whether they had the gift of dreams, prophecy or gift of healing. It was the doctrine of a few to begin to use control over the masses by deeming all that did not come from a higher (meaning - highest post held by a human) as being blasphemy, which was punishable by death.

It is my belief that regardless of affliation, there is a sense that a larger entity, ruled by a small few, wants to control the masses through subterfuge. It can be a corporation, goverment entity, political belief or religion. They set the standards and state that all others should be killed or converted.

So, yes, there have been organized religions that made it a point to kill or convert. My family has seen just that as not too long ago my grandmother (a full blood) was forced to convert by the Catholic church as her form of worship / chanting was deemed blasphemous. But, I will stop short of calling all Catholics evil or associating them with the antichrist.

posted July 30, 2003 05:08 AM              

don't be jealous cause my african friends comprehend these things better than you, are you a mystic, what do you represent, who are your ancestors, what do you know about the african magic arts and do you know any african born people?

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as for all the people supporting bush, i don't care about saddam or any power hungry war monger blood sucking vampires vultures educated criminals drinking champagne while they assemble to mess up your mind

posted July 30, 2003 05:25 AM              

HOW MANY IRAQIS HAVE THEY KILLED SINCE 1991 MEN WOMEN CHILDREN? SOMEBODY GIVE ME A NUMBER
Here in France there are lots of muslims kids, i live in Paris and arabs are very much integrated as well as "real africans", so we talk to them they work with us...people read the coran in the metro, women with veils...you get the picture...
we even learn arab words, arab music on the radio arabs rapping and such...
So at least we get their opinion and considering that algerians, lebanese, and all african countries are represented in France we hear about their respective problems from THEIR point of view you see?
As for poor America you get what they give you wich is just air, ok?

Why didn't the states go to algeria there have been killings for years, why not Zaire or any other dying country? The States just protect themselves and make money thanks to the war (especially papa bush), they claim to be saviors but won't help those suffering for years...

posted July 30, 2003 10:51 AM            

Oh you are just full of yourself or something. LOL... Yes, I do know African born people. I worked at a University and also attended a University that actively recruited people from other countries, specifically Africa, the Mideast and Japan. I should also add that I am one of those people that absolutely loves to talk to people from other countries / religions / cultures to learn more about them and where they came from.

My own history or ethnicity goes back to American Indian dreamers with a full blood Apache grandmother that performed old ceremonies and healed with herbs. My other greatgrandmother was a full blood Cherokee that read auras, was a dreamer and read cards. For myself, although I am Christian, I am also openminded to the practices of those before me and I pay respects and train to dream like the others. Not that I really need to prove myself to you.

I am not jealous of your African friends. I laugh at how you think you can put one over on people by using some BS to promote your hate towards the Bush administration. If your little buddies said Clinton, Gore, Hillary, or anyone else was the antichrist, I would say the same thing. You have offered no real proof. What I do not understand is why they are not using their gifts to help their own community or solve epidemic problems.

posted July 30, 2003 11:58 AM              

You mean the anti-christ is an Aqua?!
HA! I knew it!!

So N_w... what's the "real" meaning behind that name I'm kidding...