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lioneye68
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posted August 08, 2003 01:14 PM
 
Yes, peace and love should prevail, but we ARE human, and when someone's making statements that stab us in the very heart, then just twist the knife around for fun...there's going to be emotional reaction...duh.
Some spirits are more reactionary and volitile than others, while some can just "let it go" without reacting, and good for them, but not all of us are like that.
I don't think Lost Leo's reply was as hurtful as Teva's deliberately inflamatory post. At least his points were factual, not like Teva's horsecrap. You see, teva's a hate monger, and he delights in saying hurtful things. I think it's clear what side of the street he walks on.Jackie, you found LL's post offensive, but not Teva's? Why's that? Obviously because you're not American, so teva's post didn't "hit you where you live". Did YOU lose anyone on 9/11? P.S. I think it's ludichrist to say that the CIA planned the 9/11 attacks just so the US could start a war with Iraq. Good Lord, people...that's just insane. Think about it from a common sense p.o.v. That's like saying the Jews planned the holocaust, or even more stupid, that it never really happened. It was just a scam by the Jews just so they could get the pity of the world? What an aweful aweful lie! Don't be sucked in by the purveyors of lies and hate. They are simply evil, and serve only to separate us from one another, thereby stealing mankind's power. I guess the only way to cope with the purveyors of evil is to not reply to their ridiculousness at all. Eventually, they'll take their vileness elsewhere. Ozone, I'm sorry for your profound loss, and I'm sending you warm hugs and some sunshine too.   IP: Logged |
StarLover33
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posted August 08, 2003 01:15 PM
Please, consider this view point without bashing me in the face. Sometimes I wonder how a group of terrorists could've been so impeccably trained as to pull off such an event as we saw. We've seen the videos of where the actual terrorists get trained in Afganistan, they're doing nothing but crawling under rocks, shooting a picture of the president, and carrying old rusty guns.It looks to me, as if that is all they're doing. But what we saw was a group of men who hijacked 4 planes, with hand maid weapons, did it at the exact time, and hit three points with only one plane down. That one plane lost, would've hit the Capital of the United States. There is a vast difference between those terrorists, and the ones we saw in Afganistan supposedly trained by Osama Bin Laden. It takes alot more skill then just crawling under rocks. My question is, who trained those men in doing such a thing? I doubt that they trained themselves. I doubt that they manipulated themselves. How did Osama Bin Laden become so intelligent? Who gave him that power? The only group of people, that I know could pull off the same event, is the CIA and the FBI. It would be impossible for normal people like you and me. In my opinion those groups are the only powerful people that could pull off such an event. My cousin who was in Iraq, told me that when he walked around in hot clothes and uniform, he met two CIA agents walking around in casual clothing and being as confident as ever. They have there own agenda, their own laws, they're international, they don't follow the laws of this government like we think. They were in the middle of a war no doubt. I'm sorry everyone, that this is my view point, but it explains much more then the media. God Bless everyone! I'm not for a country, I'm for all the people in this world. Nor am I paranoid, I'm very well protected by God and his love for me. Nor will I let him down, and fall victim to any of these attacks, I will always be around. -StarLover IP: Logged |
anafaery
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posted August 08, 2003 01:24 PM
lol aphrodite! *chuckling at the desk* thanks for that. ~faery ------------------
where i end and you begin there's a gap in between there's a gap where we meet where i end and you begin
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lioneye68
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posted August 08, 2003 01:29 PM
They trained in the US, as foriegn students, under the guise that they wanted to fly for their own national airlines, and the US graciously let them in and trained them. (in private aviation schools)
Now, however...things are different. If someone from a Muslim nation really did want to train to be pilot in the US for that reason, there's no way in hell they could, because of those terrorists. They ruined it for everyone.IP: Logged |
StarLover33
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posted August 08, 2003 01:33 PM
 Maybe it's time to take a closer look.IP: Logged |
lioneye68
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posted August 08, 2003 01:49 PM
There's nothing unusual about foreigners coming into the US with a student visa. The US has some of the finest training facilities in the world. People come from ALL nations to study there.
I don't think people from Muslem nations are being granted the student visa's anymore, however.
It was a case of the Al Quida (sp?)network using the US's own goodwill against them. Pure evil.IP: Logged |
StarLover33
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posted August 08, 2003 01:54 PM
All I can say is that the CIA works internationally. You should research their talent for cover-ups and disinformation. It will blow your mind and it's not just them. -StarLover IP: Logged |
LoonyFish
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posted August 08, 2003 02:10 PM
Greetings ALL!Ana - Thank you!  Aphrodite - I think that homework would do us all some good! Lioneye - If "peace and Love should prevail", why don't we let it? Doesn't the fact that we are human mean we have a choice?
If we respond to a "hate monger" with all the outward signs of hatred, i.e. attacks, profanity and threats, then has he not 'won'?
I'm sorry, but I do beLIEve the old saying:
If you wrestle with a pig, you just get dirty and the pig has all the fun!  StarLover - 
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lioneye68
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posted August 08, 2003 02:33 PM
Looney Fish, I like that saying. It's good. I said something along those lines in the second last paragraph of my post up there.Yes, we do have a choice, although sometimes, when an issue strikes us at our very core, it doesn't seem like it. I think you can relate. IP: Logged |
silverbells
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posted August 08, 2003 02:37 PM
I can relate too. When I think that people are being totally ignorant (which is so rare since I usually see things from almost everyone's point-of-view) I can really go off.
Lioneye-I don't think that the comparison between 9/11 and the holocaust, as far as planning goes is an appropriate one. In the holocaust, yes it would be utterly absurd for someone to say that the jewish gov. was behind it because they would have to know that they would all have been targeted; as was the case. 9/11 though was specific places and just supposing the gov. was behind it, they would never be at risk because they would know where not to be. It is two completely different situations. It's not as improbable as the jewish gov. being behind the holocaust.
Even if the gov. was behind 9/11, which I don't believe or disbelieve,(I truly have no concluded opinion and don't wish to pursue one) I certainly would have my doubts about whether it's sole purpose was to start a war. Linda Goodman was convinced that the CIA was behind MANY crazy cover-ups including her daughter's disappearance and subsequent switch WITH A TIME TWIN. (and what would be the purpose of that, her daughter was one person and an actor at that, not a political figure) Now if that is not a conspiracy theory of the highest order, I don't know what is, but here we are on a site dedicated to her and honoring her memory and her works. I have yet to hear someone talk about how much of a lunatic Linda Goodman is for how absurd she was being. For the record, and before I come under fire; I am not saying that Linda Goodman was a lunatic, I don't think so. I was trying to illustrate a point about "paranoid" conspiracy theorists. Q) What do you call someone who thinks that everybody's out to get them, Paranoid? A)No perceptive. ------------------
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lioneye68
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posted August 08, 2003 03:19 PM
Hmmmmmmm. Not sure what to say...you're all over the place there, Silverbells.  are you Gemini?That theory of Linda's...that sounds kind of whacked, doesn't it? I never heard that about her. I imagine she had her reasons, though. How could the CIA replace her daughter with a "time twin"? They're not gods for Pete's sake. (What's a "time twin" anyway?)
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StarLover33
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posted August 08, 2003 03:23 PM
I'm so glad that this string has finally gone back to light. Now I think it's time for me to share why I feel the way I do. It took me a lot of thinking and a lot of reading to realize that our government is not looking for our best interest. I was really scared and I was really sad at the kind of stuff I was reading and picking up. I'm going to post some websites that I found which will help explain a lot more then what I can say. About the websites, you must read the articles and observe the pictures. You may or may not believe it. You might think it's a hoax set up by men in their backyards. But I on the other hand, do not think so, so please form your own opinions, and don't go by what anyone else wants you to believe, that goes for me to. If you haven't already known or heard about it, it may shock you. http://www.angelfire.com/music2/fullcircle/con1.html http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/camps.html -StarLover33
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StarLover33
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posted August 08, 2003 03:34 PM
Lioney, becuase of their money and power, they've come up with diverse ways to hurt others. This includes psychic phenomena.A Time Twin is a person that looks exactly like the individual whom they're replacing. -StarLover IP: Logged |
Aphrodite
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posted August 08, 2003 03:36 PM
Hmmmm Lioneye . . . opening up a can of worms . . .  Linda was in the process of writing a book about the abduction of Sarah called "Spider Line." It had incriminating evidence against various agencies . . . The only person who saw "Sarah" at the autopsy was Linda's husband. He was distraught and had the cremation take place right away. Although autopsy photos were taken, Linda said this woman wasn't Sarah because the eyelids did not have the faint, yet visible red "spider lines". In every picture Linda had of Sarah, the spider lines were there, except for the autopsy photos. Anyway. Little treats for the big lioness. Enjoy and have a great weekend. Aphrodite IP: Logged |
lioneye68
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posted August 08, 2003 03:52 PM
Did it ever occur to anyone that they may be preparing for the possibility of a war fought on home turf?Starlover where does the "time twin" come from? Is it person surgically altered to look like that person, kind of like what Mr. Hussein apparently has several of? And my next question...WHY?
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StarLover33
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posted August 08, 2003 03:59 PM
Okay, then why does the government deny their existence? Why isn't the military in control, if it is for war purposes? Why are there 600 of them spread all over the country? Please tell me so I don't have to believe the other way around.Lioneye, if you believe in astrology, it is a twin who was born at exactly the same moment you were, usually they will look so a like that they are considered twins even when they're not related. It sounds very far-fethched and that's why some people believe that Linda was just a sad mother. Back in the 70's, Linda and some journalists were in the process of uncovering some evidence related to water gate, and she believed that the CIA hurt her daughter to shut her up. -StarLover IP: Logged |
lioneye68
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posted August 08, 2003 04:43 PM
Astrology doesn't completely determine a person's physical appearence. Genetics plays at least 50% of a part.
People indulge themselves in ALL kinds of possibilities when they're trying to cope with a painfull truth. Linda was brilliant, and powerfully insightfull, but she was also human. My best freind lost her neice through an unsolved act of violence, and she has some rather far fetched theories going through her head right now as well. It's a coping mechanism. I think you have to take that with a grain of salt. Then again, I realize that anything is possible...In the grand scheme of things, what the heck do I know?? I heard a credible "rumor" that there's reason to believe a hostile invasion is more than possible in the US. I think the gov. is just being proactive in that regard. Doesn't that make more sense, really? IP: Logged |
StarLover33
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posted August 08, 2003 04:48 PM
You might be right, becuase no one knows what they are really there for. But it's very fishy, very fishy indeed. -StarLover IP: Logged |
Lost Leo
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posted August 08, 2003 05:13 PM
There are many things he government does in secrecy, but to assume that just because they deny an explanation for their actions doesn't mean that the assumption they are concentration camps is correct.There are a myriad of possible explanations... I agree that something "secret" may be going on... but for these researchers who are just throwing a guess out as to the purpose these locations serve, with nothing to show as proof other than some photos, is pretty foolhardy, don't ya think? As for the CIA... I have no opinion on whether or not they planned the 9/11 stuff... let's just say, "I hope not" I was watching a inteview with a US General on CNN a month ago (they were speaking of stabilizing the post-war attacks in Iraq) and how Special Forces should be used, not army regs, but they can't because the General said 70% of American Special Forces are already committed throughout the world. Makes me wonder... what the heck type of operations are theese "special" secret commando "SEAL Team" types doing across the world, ya know? I think we have our hands in everything... A great line out of "The Recruit" is:
"Our [CIA] greatest failures are well-known, but our greatest successes... are not" -makes one think, no? And about 9/11... Israel's CIA, "The Messad"(sp?) had been most closely linked with knowing about the attack beforehand. A little known fact is between 2 and 3 thousand Jewish business professionals did not report to work that morning in New York... did anyone know that? Yeah, for real... ...makes you think... IP: Logged |
lioneye68
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posted August 08, 2003 05:16 PM
RE: The secrecy of the camps...Well, they wouldn't want the possibility of a hostile invasion to be made common knowledge, because they wouldn't want to alarm the nation unnecessarily. People would panic and start doing nutty stuff. Most people are sane and rational, but others...well, you know. IP: Logged |
StarLover33
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posted August 08, 2003 06:01 PM
Your right, we can't go jumping to conclusions, but then again why shouldn't we? They harbor secrets becuase the public would not agree with whatever they're doing. Our Contitution is being violated becuase nobody has the right to express "Freedom of Speech" when it comes the issues of the government. The media to me is a bunch of surface with no core. Most of the time I feel that they mislead us. Bush himself admits that he uses information from the CIA, how can we know they're not misleading us? Isn't there something wrong with this picture?-StarLover IP: Logged |
ozonefiller
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posted August 08, 2003 06:23 PM
I know I'm breaking my own rule here,but I can't hold my breath much longer. To reply for all that you guys are saying, your close,but also much further then you think. Something's up,but I don't believe it's entirely the CIA involved,it's big enough,but on the same token,maybe that's what they want us to think. IP: Logged |
Jaqueline
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posted August 08, 2003 06:32 PM
Lioneye quote:
From LL:"You and Jakie are just the typical US-Haters of the world... BIG SURPRISE, YOU'RE JEALOUS OF OUR DOMINANCE
France's time ended with Napolean, get over it, you're Old News in Old Europe..."
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From you: "Jackie, you found LL's post offensive, but not Teva's? Why's that?"
Yes, I did. He offended me and this is not the first time...Wouldn't you if I use these kind of words with you ?
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From you:"Obviously because you're not American, so teva's post didn't "hit you where you live". Did YOU lose anyone on 9/11?"
In my previous posts there are no reference to 9/11...did you find some? As to have lost someone on 9/11, no, I didn't lose anyone that I knew...but I did lost brothers and sisters that I never knew... 
For me, on 9/11 the darkness that fell on our spirits was enormous, but larger should still be our anguish for light. I saw with pain and indignation the human insanity. But I will never allow that that insanity has the final word.
The final words for me, and I think that for the whole humanity, should be solidarity and compassion for the victims, and my desire ever since is that we have peace and good sense in our relationships.
Tragedies give us the dimension of the inhumanity that we are capable. But they also bring to the surface the "human" that inhabits in us, besides differences of race, ideology and religion. And that "human" inside us may help us cry together, dry our tears together, pray together, look for justice together , build the peace together and together we give up the revenge.
The wisdom of all of us and the voice of our heart testify : it is not terrorism that wins terrorism, nor it is hate that wins hate. It is love that wins hate. It is tireless dialogue, open negotiation and the fair agreement that remove the bases of any terrorism and create peace. The tragedy that reached us - you as an American, me as a human being- in the bottom of our heart should invites us to rethink the directions of the world politics, the sense of globalization, the definition of humanity's future and how to save the House of all of us...the planet Earth. The time is urgent, because this time there won't be a Noah's ark to save some and let the others to perish .
But to have PEACE, we need to abolish the word "enemy". It is fear that creates the enemy. And we exorcised this fear when we are able to transform a distant person in a close one, and a close person we transform in a neighbor, a brother or a sister. We moved away the fear and the enemy when we began to dialogue... knowing each other... accepting each other... respecting each other... loving each other... finally, in just a few words, taking care of each other. We must take care of our environment to create an atmosphere in which is possible the conviviality among " the different".
If we took care of each other like brothers and sisters the causes of fear disappear. Nobody needs to threaten nobody. We can fly in our airplanes without fear that they become bombs to destroy buildings and to decimate lives. I hope that one day we all could remember September 11, 2001, not just as the day of America's -and world- tragedy, yet as the day of the great transformation in humanity's conscience, trying to have peaceful relationships among all, trying to have more compassion and solidarity among all, trying to reverence life, trying to make a commitment for justice, taking care of peace as our most important gift... And each one of us should put our brick in the construction of this peace shrine, with a planetary cooperation.
I have hope that the "Spirit" that created us and are also inside of us...This "Spirit" that drives so mysteriously the roads of history, accompanies us with his/her light and with his/her heat help us to accomplish our purposes ...collective and humanitarian.  Jakie
________________________________________________________________________ [i]"No man is an island intire of itselfe...Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankind; And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee."
John Donne
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anafaery
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posted August 08, 2003 06:41 PM
jakie *tears up* that was beautiful. thank you for that. ~emotional faery ------------------
where i end and you begin there's a gap in between there's a gap where we meet where i end and you begin
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Jaqueline
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posted August 08, 2003 06:43 PM
Randall...please, feel free to cancel my password...I don't want to disturb the Peace in Lindaland...I never thought that one day I would cry here...but that is what is happening on this exact moment...
I apologize for any trouble that I've caused...I'm sorry...I can't go on... Love...always
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