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fayte.m
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posted September 22, 2006 11:32 AM
 
Lia 
Noreenz
Thank You Lia!
(Thanks Noreenz.
Will check that asap!)
And the thing is I have devoted many hours wondering how to help DFD. And those of you who do talk to me off forum KNOW how deeply concerned I was for her and how it hurt me to see her hurtung.
Ruined her Friday night?
I have other things to do too.
But when a person says they are suicidal...
I do not assume they are joking or just trying for attention.
So I will drop everything to try to help.
I know what it is like to be suicidal and have no one care or try.
Priorities are important and a suicidal cry is not to be taken lightly.
So I am a naive fool for losing precious time that I could be doing something else, or helping someone else, and was duped.
This time.
But that is a chance I feel one must take when a person(s) claims to be suicidal. Drop everything. Life is too valuable to chance sacrifice because we are not sure the cry is real or wolf....
Most cries are real.
We must never be too busy to help when we hear a cry for help. 
I got a letter from a person informing me of DFD's suicidal postings.
They asked me to try and help her.
I immediately dropped everything. I was not just sitting idly about. But I dropped what I was doing.
Cries for help must be at least at first blush, assumed to be for real.
We must remember that.
Thanks Noreenz. 
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Lialei
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posted September 22, 2006 11:45 AM
before someone comes on and reminds me of DFD's illness, I have and do keep it in mind. I am aware that it might make someone more likely to be self-focused and that it might be beyond her abilities to emphasize in a constant way.I've felt for you myself, DFD. You know I have.
When my posts were ignored, I didn't take it personally or get offended.
Realizing it wouldn't be prudent for me or fair to you to have expectations of you.
But still.. I also have faith in your intelligence and awareness.
So, I'm going to be honest and remain hopeful in your awareness. I don't feel the time is right to say anything more.
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fayte.m
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posted September 22, 2006 11:53 AM
Silverstone
Thank You!
Lia
I need a break.
Sigh......
Blessings and Love to all! 
Love
Fayte
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Age is a State of Mind. Change Your Mind!
~I intend to continue learning forever~Enigma
~I am still learning~ Michangelo
The Door to Gnosis is never permanently locked...one only needs the correct keys and passwords.~Enigma
The pious man with closed eyes can often hold more ego than a proud man with open eyes.~NEXUS
Out of the mouth of babes commeth wisdom that can rival that of sages.~Enigma
In the rough, or cut and polished..a diamond is still a precious gem.
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fayte.m
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posted September 22, 2006 12:03 PM
Later..post glitching again.....IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted September 22, 2006 12:09 PM
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In the end, people are so oblivious that they don't even realize whom they are defending, whom they are condemning...and this example shows an incredible degree of stupidity and Internet criminality. -D4D
That's a bit over the top.
_________________________________________________________ What do you write to this? Granted sometimes people provide unhelpful assistance, but their desire to help is blameless. One person's distaste for the help they were given shouldn't dissuade the helpful person from continuing to provide help when possible. IP: Logged |
sue g
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posted September 22, 2006 01:03 PM
<<<<I don't really see that others here are being unfair to DFD, Sue<<<Where did I say this...? Fayte had the maturity NOT to take sides when I had an issue with D....I now choose to use the same approach...what is the difference Mirandee? You missed my point completely. In any respect, this doesnt involve you, i wasnt talking about you, but about two other women! Oh and thanks for telling me I am entitled to my own opinion....most gracious of you... And that this IS a public forum....(hadnt quite worked that one out....duh)!!! IP: Logged |
fayte.m
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posted September 22, 2006 01:51 PM
Quote from Sue g:
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Fayte had the maturity NOT to take sides when I had an issue with D....I now choose to use the same approach...what is the difference Mirandee?
>>>>Well Sue...You missed my point completely it seems.
I was showing respect for your grief and I was not choosing sides.
But only on the issue of your grieving thread not being a proper place or time for questions. The actual questions were not the issue to me. Only that at that time and place it was not proper nor respectful to your grieving. What you are doing is not the same approach at all. Quote from Sue g:
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You missed my point completely. In any respect, this doesnt involve you, i wasnt talking about you, but about two other women!
>>>>>>Mirandee did nothing wrong Sue.
Mirandee and I know how you feel about her and I. Sorry if folks defending me upsets you. Mirandee is my friend. That is what real friends do. Quote:
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<<<<I don't really see that others here are being unfair to DFD, Sue<<<
Where did I say this...?
>>>You changed your post Sue.
One of the things DfD noticed too.
Fine. But don't deny or pretend you didn't.
Nuff said. 
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Age is a State of Mind. Change Your Mind!
~I intend to continue learning forever~Enigma
~I am still learning~ Michangelo
The Door to Gnosis is never permanently locked...one only needs the correct keys and passwords.~Enigma
The pious man with closed eyes can often hold more ego than a proud man with open eyes.~NEXUS
Out of the mouth of babes commeth wisdom that can rival that of sages.~Enigma
In the rough, or cut and polished..a diamond is still a precious gem.
-NEXUS-
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fayte.m
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posted September 22, 2006 01:57 PM
I noticed the title bar has a  smilie on it.
Strange symbol for a "roast" thread. IP: Logged |
sue g
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posted September 22, 2006 02:11 PM
As you wish Faye...But no friends dont always defend...not if they think you are in the wrong they dont....they will be honest.... But on this occasion, I can see why defense was used and cant argue with that...but my issue wasnt with you it was with Mirandee and her misunderstanding of my sentiment! IP: Logged |
Azalaksh
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posted September 22, 2006 02:28 PM
DforD ~I'm curious about a couple things: Why would you blame Fayte (and display such rampant PLOM infection) for how you choose to spend your Friday night?? (especially, noting replying here vs. seeing a movie as a "tragic waste of time") Why do you compare what Divine Goddess said to Shadowystorms with what Fayte has said to you?? I must be dense because I don't get the connection..... I also find it mildly interesting that you accuse a Libran in another thread of acting like a lawyer, but here in this thread you've done nothing but lay out your case for your defense..... IP: Logged |
fayte.m
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posted September 22, 2006 02:31 PM
Yeah Sue. That is right.
Quote from Sue g:
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But no friends dont always defend...not if they think you are in the wrong they dont....they will be honest....
>>>>But not everyone believes that do they?   Some folks think you should stand by a friend when they are wrong and side with them
even when you know they are wrong. Or lie to them, or worse, enable or condone.
That kind of friend I would not want. That is no friend.
So if I felt Mirandee was wrong or any of my friends...(like you, before you decided to hate me)
I would tell them!
And as they know...
I have!  IP: Logged |
sue g
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posted September 22, 2006 02:38 PM
Then we should always be careful who we place our trust in should we not?And of course to remember only offer help where its truly wanted or asked for.... I had this lesson to learn....twas a tough one, and took a few kicks before I learned it.....must be that bloody stubborn Taurus moon I have... Good luck and
Good learning... IP: Logged |
Azalaksh
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posted September 22, 2006 02:52 PM
quote:
I noticed the title bar has a smilie on it.
Strange symbol for a "roast" thread.
Aw c'mon Fayte, you're just used to Hearts -- it's a nice change, isn't it??  Love, Z IP: Logged |
Gooberzlostlovefound
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posted September 22, 2006 04:12 PM
D for Defiant~ I never brought up any past incident with you and I, and had no intention of doing so. Did you think I was holding some kind of grudge against you? I was/am not. I responded to several of your posts in LL after that and I felt we were on friendly terms, which was nice. To clarify, I am not sticking up for fayte because we're 'best buds.' If that is what you think, just know that that is your assumption. HSC made the same assumption. I can see why both of you may think that. Keep in mind that just because you stick up for someone doesn't mean you're best friends with that person. When I see someone unjustly attacked, it deeply upsets me, no matter who they are. Friend, acquaintance, stranger. Anyone who knows me knows that I am fair. I don't know what else to say.
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fayte.m
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posted September 22, 2006 06:52 PM
Quote from Sue g:
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Then we should always be careful who we place our trust in should we not?
>>>What that has to do with DFD I do not see 
But Yeah,
I AGREE!
I was warned by several folks when an overly friendly bubbly person wanted to be friends.
But I fell for their charm.
Yes, the person is very charming and persuasive. I think perhaps they really do want to be sweet and nice.
I hope so. But I will not trust that type again. Too hard to read their real true motives easily.
Seems they had only wanted to be friends with me to get to another person
Then that person who I then trusted naively for a long time went about and tried maliciously to turn my other friends against me when I refused to give them the gossip they wanted.
Seems I was not a good friend anymore to them because I refused to rat out other friends and the person they were trying to find out about in particular.
They are still angry with me. It seems some folks have widely different Ideas from the norm, of what a real friend is. continued next post.
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fayte.m
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posted September 22, 2006 06:58 PM
Quote from Sue g:
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And of course to remember only offer help where its truly wanted or asked for
>>>Am still Not sure what this has to do with this thread. But since you seem to want to go on about that, here goes....
Posting ones troubles on a public forum IS implied consent. Otherwise it is merely a personal Blog page with no reply option.
If you are referring to that person I trusted unwisely....
How does one know when help is truly wanted...especially when it was asked for many many times over a long period of time and thanked profusely for?
Generally when a person helps or gives advice and the other person asked many times for feedback/help/advice......and then the person asking goes and says bless you, thank you, you are a true friend...over and over and over for a long time....
Well all the signs/signals that the help was asked for were Clearly in place, and the gratitude abundant, and that person repeatedly coming back for more for a long time...
Well to anyone I would think....
It sure did appear asked for and desperately wanted. Until I refused to go too far with what their agenda really was about.
Maybe the alternate agenda was not conceived until later. I really do not know. Maybe the initial friendship overtures were sincere. They seemed sincere. Maybe not...since I was warned about that person. But I preferred to find out on my own rather than listen to the warnings of others.
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fayte.m
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posted September 22, 2006 07:03 PM
And to the several of you who have proven real and honest with no hidden agendas, only wanting to share and be honest and caring. Thank you from the bottom of my heart and soul! :
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Again....yes....
It is good advice:
Quote from Sue g:
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And of course to remember only offer help where its truly wanted or asked for....
>>>If one asks, and then thanks you, and comes back for more, many times....
That should mean it is/was asked for and truly wanted.
Unless they had another agenda.
As in the case with that person.
I am not a mind reader. How could I have known otherwise? I still do not see what this has to do with DFD attacking me.
Her posts were not private Blog pages not to be replied to.
BTW...
again, what has that to do with this thread anyhow?
Are you angry because I ignored your warning where you said DfD was dark and dangerous?
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fayte.m
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posted September 22, 2006 07:05 PM
Zala
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"Aw c'mon Fayte, you're just used to Hearts -- it's a nice change, isn't it??">>>>Thanks for the laugh! 
You always know how to cheer me!
Gooberzlostlovefound!
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"Keep in mind that just because you stick up for someone doesn't mean you're best friends with that person."
>>>>>Wise kind words!  I agree! I defended Pidaua when folks were slamming her about being a Native American. Pidaua and I are definitely not best buddies! But we have stuck up for each other from time to time when we have seen the other being unjustly attacked. For that I respect her greatly.  
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Mirandee
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From: South of the Thumb Taurus, Pisces, Cancer
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posted September 22, 2006 07:13 PM
Thank you for what you said, Fayte. Sue, I was not really chastising you in any way, just giving my opinion as you gave yours. I knew that you could not be talking to me because I didn't even mention DFD in my post. But it is as Goober said, I felt it was being unfair to those who were supporting Fayte at the injustice they saw being done to her here. There is normally two sides to every story but the injustice here only has one side unless someone thinks that Fayte shouldn't have attempted to help DFD when she saw her post talking about suicide as a cry for help. In fact Fayte did what every psychologist tells us to do, consider talk of suicide as a cry for help because once someone has made up their mind to commit suicide they don't talk about it. What happened in the past between you and I is as far as I am concerned, in the past, Sue. I am not a vindictive person so any time I reply to a post of yours I am giving my true thoughts on it. I'm not out to get you. I am perfectly willing to break the arrow. Though you have to watch us Native Americans. We keep the sharp end of the arrow. Just kidding. I do in fact agree with what both you and Fayte say about two sides to every story and keeping that in mind before taking sides. However, the only side that DFD seems to have is that she did not like the way that Fayte tried to help her. That being the case she should have, as Lia stated, said so up front and honestly instead of sniping her like she did on this thread. In fact, if she didn't want anyone's help she shouldn't have posted her talk of suicide and her family history on a public forum. She should have just gone to see her therapists about it instead. It's kind of ironic that DFD would post those things here on a public forum and then be upset because anyone who tried to help her didn't do it in the way she felt they should. There may be some professional therapists on this thread but mostly there are just caring, concerned, compassionate and empathetic people who will do the best they can to help and befriend her. Actually, call me a cynic if you will  , but when someone suddenly acts as DFD did to Fayte, I am in doubt that anything she has said on these threads is true. I could be in wrong ( wouldn't be the first time and won't be the last ) but I tend to think she is just another troll who makes up these elaborate stories just to ultimately start trouble on the threads. On the internet all we have is what the person says about themselves. We don't know the real truth. The internet does provide a worldwide audience for some people to act out on. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.  IP: Logged |
fayte.m
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posted September 22, 2006 08:22 PM
Mirandee
Thank you!
A cry for help must never be ignored.
Even if it appears as or is seen as interferring.
Yeah, the person may indeed get angry...
But they might not kill themselves.
Yeah..they might bite the hand that reached out to them, in some cases;
but they will be still be alive.
But to ignore it because we are afraid it might be seen as sticking our nose into someone's personal business....
Well....then if they do commit suicide we must face the fact that our fear of what they or others might think and not reaching out, may have been a factor in them suceeding in doing it.
We must try.
No matter what anyone thinks.
Yes..sadly, some persons do go on to do it anyhow despite our reaching out.
But I have personally known too many...including myself....who after the dust of their turmoils and tortured souls final settled, and a new seed of optimism planted within them; that they often treasure life even in hard times like never before.
They are thankful to have a second chance at life.
"I often tell myself, "This too shall Pass" in difficult moments/situations.Continued next post. IP: Logged |
fayte.m
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posted September 22, 2006 08:26 PM
"I often tell myself, "This too shall Pass" in difficult moments/situations.On that note...I wish to say....
Sue
Like Mirandee I want the hatchet put aside please.
I hope you agree.
A little Peacepipe type truce is needed.
You have/had your differences with me. You have/had differences with my friends. Think of me as just another Knowflake acquaintance and NOTHING more.
I shall think the same of you.
I am getting tired of the behind the scenes nonsense. NUFF said....You know what I mean.
Let it go please.
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hippichick
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posted September 22, 2006 10:34 PM
This is beginning to remind me of high school IP: Logged |
fayte.m
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posted September 22, 2006 11:55 PM
Just what my husband said!
Yeah it is isn't it?
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fayte.m
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posted September 22, 2006 11:58 PM
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hippichick
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posted September 23, 2006 12:06 AM
FayteI LOVE the Mona Lisa!!! And,...well....we all need a little revisit to high school now and then! Why, I went to a high school football game tonight cause my daughter is in pep squad and well... I hate to admit It was fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IP: Logged |
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