posted January 09, 2010 12:30 PM         

We usually interprete the Draco charts as indicators of past lives, but I think the Draconics indicate far more than just past lives (even though they include hints to them, too); they are calculated with the NORTH NODE, so the nodal symbolism has to be transferred to the Draco charts
(that is one reason that I believe, oppositions will be the most interesting aspects in terms of past lives; as they would be conjunctions in a Draco chart calculated with the SOUTH NODE).
By now there are a lot of authors who have been writing about Draconic charts, including Robert Blashke, Pamela Crane, Kim Falconer, Bette Denlinger and so on.

http://www.solsticepoint.com/dragontxt.htm http://horoscopicastrologygroup.com/2007/03/22/secrets-of-the-zodiac/ http://www.falconastrology.com/draconic.html http://www.astrologycosmobiology.com.au/draconic_chart.html

As far as I know, this was the first thread, started on Draconic zodiac here on LL. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/010593.html

There are some more of course: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/018318.html http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/017864.html http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/013843.html http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/016931.html http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/020155.html

One more thought:
they say the Draconic chart is lunar based, as it is based on the lunar Nodes.

But I was thinking:

The nodes are actually the meeting point of Sun and Moon, The Moon's Nodes are the points where the orbit of the Moon around the Earth crosses that of the Earth around the Sun.
So it is actually a coming together / melting of Sun and Moon, with Earth being in the mix, too. (Hey the divine trinity again!).

With Sun and Moon being the "basic" illustrations of YANG and YIN energy (of course there are others, too), the nodal axis and the Draconic charts are an expression of this unity between YANG and YIN, too. The meeting point, or maybe even more, the melting point.
maybe in that way the Draco charts may give even more clues to soulconnections (soulmates or even twinflames) than the tropical chart alone, as the tropical chart is only based on the rotation of the earth around the Sun, so it definitely has YANG symbolism, while the YIN counterpart is not part of it (EARTH of course is included though).

Maybe in that way the draconic chart is more "complete"? Having elements of Yin and Yang?
Maybe that is why Edgar Cayce actually saw the Draconic placements in his trance, instead of the tropical ones?

posted January 09, 2010 12:42 PM         

Do you have the Edgar Cayce program ?

posted January 09, 2010 02:06 PM         

For instance, couldn't my Moon oppose Draconic Sumeria indicate not just a pastlife involving being a Sumerian but also my ancestry.

A matter of fact, I took mitochondria DNA test November of last year. It tests the matrilineal line. That means my mother's side,my maternal grandmother's side,my maternal grandmother's mother's side, my maternal grandmother's maternal grandmother's side.......and so on.

The testing revealed that I come from Haplogroup J. That originated in the Near East Asia around 40,000 years ago. I am actually J1 which is said to originate in the Arabian plate around 20,000 years ago. My Haplogroup subclade J1c is common in Ashkenazi Jews. A person who is my genetic match told me that I am very likely to be the descendant of Jews and slavic people that mixed together in Eastern Europe. Most of his matches had Jewish surnames and lived in Eastern Europe.

It was said that Abraham was born in Ur. Some say that Ur is in Sumer. It's believed that the Hebrews had their roots in Mesopotamia.

I do have a conjunction of Mesopotamia,DNA,and Imum Coeli in 4th house.

It seems like the human race and how it became diverse was based on genetic mutations.

Raymond

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posted January 09, 2010 02:40 PM         

no I don`t have the program. But it sounds very intriguing.

IQ,

yes, it makes sense, what you say there.

Glaucus,

I believe you have a point there, I mean ther IS lunar symbolism to the Dracos and the Moon also indicates our anchestry.
AS a matter of fact I just read that in an article by Blashke, who believes that Draco shows the family or anchestral ties.
http://horoscopicastrologygroup.com/2007/03/22/secrets-of-the-zodiac/

It is bascially what he wrote in his book on relationship astrology (which I love to bits), but a bit elaborated.

So if I understand it right, then the four zodiacs would relate to four different planes/ areas of consciousness?

Let me try to put it into my words:

tropical: physical (manifestation)

draco: anchestry or maybe also emotional

sidereal: karmic

helio: spiritual, Higher Self?

Wouldn`t it make sense then to use all four zodiacs in a relationship analysis? At least to investigate if he might be right with his theories?

posted January 09, 2010 02:45 PM         

"I consider Draconic Charts to show:
1. Cumulative Past Life experiences"
I agree.

That confused me for a moment, when reading about the Sidereal zodiac in Blashke`s article. But maybe the Dracos show the basic karma between two people, yet in the Sidereal zodiac we can see how and when it is ended and resolved?

"2. The best direction to take to achieve spiritual goals. Like being more and more of our Draconic Sun personality to tackle the present Natal chart's lessons."
That is completely in tune with the symbolism of the NN, and so I agree.

Well, since my Draco Sun is in Aries, I probably need to develop more assertiveness to get the things done I am supposed to.

"4. Draconic to Natal Conjunctions as showing the actual YIN-YANG meeting point,"
Well, yes. Draconic as LUNAR / YIN energy and the tropical having SOLAR / YANG energy.

posted January 09, 2010 02:57 PM         

tropical:
ASC on 7 Sag
Within The Depths Of The Earth New Elements Are Being Formed

Draconic:
ASC on 26 PIsces
The Harvest Moon Illumines A Clear Autumnal Sky

Sidereal:
ASC on 12 Scorpio
An Inventor Performs A Laboratory Experiment

Heliocentric:
Since there is no rising, he (and I) used the Earth/MOon-complex
Earth/Moon on 25 Gemini
Frost-Covered Trees Against Winter Skies

Looking at Sun and Moon through the different zodiacts:

tropical:
Sun on 25 SAg
A Flag Bearer In A Battle

Draconic:
Sun on 15 Aries
Nature Spirits Are Seen At Work In The Light Of Sunset

Sidereal:
Sun on 1 Sagittarius
White-capped Waves Display The Power Of Wind Over Sea

Heliocentric:
Earth/Moon on 25 Gemini
Frost-Covered Trees Against Winter Skies

The MOON degrees:

Tropical:
17 Aquarius
A Man's Secret Motives Are Being Publicly Unmasked

Draconic:
6 Gemini
A Well With Bucket And Rope Under The Shade Of Majestic Trees

sidereal:
22 Capricorn
A Soldier Receiving Two Awards For Bravery In Combat

posted January 09, 2010 02:59 PM         

I have his Sabian Aspect Orbs and Progressions books too.

He uses the heliocentric planetary nodes too.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"