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Topic: Interpretation of This Chart
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Ami Ann
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posted March 08, 2010 01:51 AM
 
Dear Sanchuness
I would take her word that she was a victim of this guy. *I* would.
You will never know for absolute sure like we will never know many things for absolute sure.
You sound like you have a connection with this girl and that you don't form connections easily.When was your last serious g/f before her?
My honest opinion is that your male pride was hurt by this incident. I am not saying it shouldn't or wouldn't be .However, she could have been a victim.
I think she was----an intuitive feeling. So, given that--you should forgive her and treat her as a rape victim.
It is not their fault. However, even with rape victims, I hear that their partners can blame them(subconsciously or even consciously)
I am not a man but know how a man feels about a womans body when he loves the woman. It is a fierce protectiveness.
It should be and it is a beautiful thing and a biological thing, I think.
Forgive her,Sanchuness.
Any relationship you have will call upon you to demonstrate your higher self.
That is my opinion. x o x o x AmiIP: Logged |
cpn_edgar_winner
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posted March 08, 2010 01:04 PM
she sounds very sad to me.
heartbreakingly sad.perhaps she has made some choices she needs to forgive herself for. i would be very careful how you treat her, only with the utmost love and respect and forgiveness...as she seems ripe for victimization and like a small kitten easy to hurt. so very sad...this story hurt my heart. IP: Logged |
Sanchenuss
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From: Clinton, SC USA
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posted March 08, 2010 05:43 PM
but she isn't that way at all. Her personality is very dominant. Most men are afraid of her and the women and men in her life do as she says with the exception of me. Her posistion in career is a Manager. She doesn't seem like the type of person to be a victim which is why the story doesn't make a whole lot of sense or either it was what she wanted to happen. She is only submissive when it comes to sex. She likes me to choke her and stuff of that nature. She is very in control of herself in every other aspect.IP: Logged |
cpn_edgar_winner
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posted March 08, 2010 06:56 PM
people are very complicated.
i think the fact that she would do anything to herself to make you or anyone else happy shows deep seeded insecurity and volnerability. sometimes people who feel like that on the inside make themselves confident and sucessful on the outside to cover up that part of them that doesnt feel worthy. choking or submissive sex games are just games, but the rest of what you said, makes me think inside she is lonely and has self esteem issues. which is why i think she needs love and to be treated very kindly. IP: Logged |
vapor-lash
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posted March 08, 2010 07:23 PM
I really have to finish an assign - and I'm trying to stay away from LL lolBut very briefly.. S - - I think she si doing these things for her own sexual pleasure. She gets a lot of sexual satisfaction out of dangerous and painful situations. This is not only due to her Mars-Scorpio conjunction - but also the fact that this conjunction is On her South Node. I can sort of relate since I have Pluto conj South Node, also in Scorpio.. With Mars there she’d be much more likely to act out her desires. - Since her North Node is Taurus (like my own and other in our generation) she needs to move towards healthier ways of having sex. She needs to value and love her own body.. and she needs to do physical things that SHOW love towards her body… This can be a scented bath, or a massage.. or anything relaxing really – Things that make her feel GOOD.. the opposite of "pain". - It will not be easy for her to go towards Taurus.. because it’s so much easier to be Scorpionic. My Venus is conjunct North Node and MIGHT be in Taurus – which makes it easier for me.. BUT - even so - I still feel deeply attracted and deeply comfortable with scorpionic sex.. sex that you lose yourself in. -Based on my own experience – I believe that if she does not stop.. by herself… then life will stop her and make her *love* herself.. (this is a physical love – a Taurean love.. not so much a spiritual one.. a love of your body – and taking CARE of your body.. and never harming it).. -I do not find any of the things you mentioned taboo.. I understand her desires and they don’t bother me.. The only reason I have a problem with it is because her SN is there.. just like mine – and she is simply Not allowed.. and NOT supposed to – harm herself in any way… in this life time.. This is the opposite of what she is supposed to do.
- Due to her love fo taboo things it is my impression that what she meant when she said she “couldn’t move” – was that she was INTO in.. and couldn’t bring herself to leave.. because she liked it. OK fine ^ whatever.. I mean it is her life.
But again – due to her SN being there any bdsm games or sm games or anything sadistic and masochistic at all.. that she gets involved in – will drown her. One possible manifestation is that she will become ill (something mild or serious..) and in order to heal she will have to love herself.. and learn how to.. and she will no longer be able to harm herself. That's not the only possibility ^ but it's worth mentioning. S – you needn’t be a part of her life or this process. Whether you want to be part of her life or not is entirely up to you. I see no reasons based on the chart only. But if you do love her - if you care about her and you want her in your life – this is your decision to make.
cpn -
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has self esteem issues. which is why i think she needs love and to be treated very kindly.
Self-esteem issues are classic of Scorpio sn and Taurus nn.. Taurus is all about self-esteem. She needs a Taurean type of man.. not necessarily his Sun...(maybe other planets in Taurus)- A man who shows her how to love her own body. How do enjoy beautiful meals.. How to enjoy scents - How do enjoy all of he rphysical senses to the fullest. I think that's part of her learning curve in this life. 2nd edit: S - I should also say - I do not believe you are in any way a Taurean-type male. You are much more likely to shun the physical altogether. You think the spiritual is more significant. You have planets that square (leo) and oppose ( scoprio) -- taurus.. so I don't see how you could help her in this regard. :edit: soz for spelling or weird grammar lol - i typed really quickly.. and *out* lol IP: Logged |
teasel
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From: Ohio
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 09, 2010 01:26 AM
If she felt that she couldn't move, then how could she resist what he was doing to her? I saw your post in the other thread, about her staying in the house, when the other girls left - why did they leave her there? Why would they leave her there, if they didn't think that the husband could be trusted? and why in the hell couldn't the husband keep his hands to himself? (I'm not arguing with you, I'm curious.)I haven't read the rest of this thread... I might edit this out in a while. I think I need to take a break from the board.
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Sanchenuss
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From: Clinton, SC USA
Registered: Nov 2009
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posted March 09, 2010 01:38 AM
teasel, because she subconsiously enjoyed it. Everything Vapor says sounds extremely valid. I am quite shocked at how much she confirms my thought. It is hard for me to be with her because I see things for how they really are. Most men would just blow up, blame it on the guy and go kick his ass or kill him and end up in jail but I can painfully see how this is something that she enjoyed and this is hard for anyone to say to someone else or for the victim to admit.I have never been the one to be, "oh poor me" but Imagine my posistion. I knew that she created this scenerio for pleasure and I also knew that another man was "taking advantage" of her but I had to be cool and tell her that things would be okay. But she senses that I know things and she understood what I understood and as of now this relationship is gone.
Vapor, would you tell me some things about myself from my chart? You were so spot on with this situation that I would like for you to tell me about myself astrologically.I was also just lost in a daze thinking about teaching her to love her body. That made so much sense now that you mentioned it and I could do a fantastic job at that but I still know what I know so its hard to go back. At the same time it is almost impossible for me to leave someone broken. Anyways, You are awesome Vapor. IP: Logged |
Sanchenuss
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From: Clinton, SC USA
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posted March 09, 2010 02:01 AM
Ami Ann, you are right. It does hurt my pride, I guess. I couldn't be there to protect her and I feel powerless in the situation. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted March 09, 2010 02:05 AM
vapor is awesome.  The little that I've read, and the talk of rape, elsewhere, reminded me of a blog post that I read in 2008, in which the writer said: quote:
Once home, from the silent storm of his car, I settled, neck deep into my bathtub and cried. Not for the loss of him, as truly he was no loss. My heart just endured another beating. I was yet again the physical landing for a mans violence. I wondered what Id done to attract it. What unknown sin Id committed to deserve it.
I'm feeling all emotional and protective tonight.  and I still think the husband should have kept himself to himself. Vapor mentioned the possibility of a spiked drink, which is what came to my own mind, when I read that she couldn't move. And this: quote:
Ami Ann, you are right. It does hurt my pride, I guess. I couldn't be there to protect her and I feel powerless in the situation.
is understandable. IP: Logged |
Sanchenuss
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posted March 09, 2010 02:23 AM
thanks teasel. Women are the most precious creation that God has ever made, much more beautiful and intelligent than a man. A loving relationship with a woman can be the greatest gift that was ever given to us as men are to women. We are a blessing for each other and all thats in between. It is sad when men and/or women don't appreciate and don't treat the other partner with the utmost respect and admiration that they deserve. I guess we have all treated a partner less than human at some point in our past which makes it hard for me to criticize someone else but I have hope that the wheel of Karma is surely approaching full circle.IP: Logged |
Ami Ann
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posted March 09, 2010 07:12 AM
thanks teasel. Women are the most precious creation that God has ever made, much more beautiful and intelligent than a man. A loving relationship with a woman can be the greatest gift that was ever given to us as men are to women. We are a blessing for each other and all thats in between. It is sad when men and/or women don't appreciate and don't treat the other partner with the utmost respect and admiration that they deserve. I guess we have all treated a partner less than human at some point in our past which makes it hard for me to criticize someone else but I have hope that the wheel of Karma is surely approaching full circle.
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Depth in a relationship comes from JUST this sort of very,very hard thing.
It will take all your vulnerability to do it and that is the scary part. Ami
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Ami Ann
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posted March 09, 2010 12:12 PM
Dear Vapor
Your strange (to me) symbols in the above post--do you speak another language and have a computer that types another language?
Thanks x o x AmiIP: Logged |
teasel
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posted March 09, 2010 06:38 PM
*edited out something personal.IP: Logged |
vapor-lash
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posted March 09, 2010 07:25 PM
Ami - lol they are weird aren't they? It isn't a different language - This always happens when I type in Word (i hate losing posts - sometimes you click "submit" and it goes to a blank page and the post is erased when you click back).. and then paste.. all the hyphens and quotation marks turn into symbols on here. I think it's the font difference.. Sorry if that was difficult to read.. I can't be bothered editing now.. It's too long  Teasel - thanks for the compliment - takes one to know one! lol
Thats very true about Taurus energy. It's interesting you met him at that stage in your life. Serendipity! When I get the chance I wanted to make a thread about the Taurus-Scorpio opposition - because it has played its part in my life.. and I wanted to share what I've learnt and see what others think about this opposition. Sanchenuss - Do you have any specific questions about your chart? I think that would be easier for me to answer. IP: Logged |
Ami Ann
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posted March 09, 2010 07:30 PM
It was fine to read. I just thought you spoke another language and I am fascinated by people who can speak many languages! x o x AmiIP: Logged |
Sanchenuss
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From: Clinton, SC USA
Registered: Nov 2009
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posted March 09, 2010 10:14 PM
Vapor you said that I would be inclined to ignore my partners need for self acceptance of the body because I would want to focus more of the spirit or even completely on spiritual. My chart must tell you something about how I think about spirit and body. What can you tell me in detail about my spiritual nature and how my response to it in this incarnation relates to my previous life. Likewise what does my chart tell you about how I view the body and mind? What does my chart in general tell you about my past life and what my focus was on in that incarnation and do you know the time period? IP: Logged |
Ami Ann
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posted March 10, 2010 11:04 AM
How are you doing, Sanchuness? AmiIP: Logged |
Sanchenuss
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posted March 10, 2010 03:08 PM
Im doing pretty good Ami, how are you doing?
Katrina messaged me today for the first time in a month. I am just glad to know that she is alive. She threatens suicide a lot when we take breaks. Here is what she texted me."Go figure still havent tried to do anything about the relationship you ruiened (sp). Be shocked if you even had a job" Wed 3/10/10 7:12 AM My response: I didn't ruin anything. You are the one who wanted "this to be it". IP: Logged |
Ami Ann
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posted March 10, 2010 03:34 PM
Get back with her. AmiIP: Logged |
Sanchenuss
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posted March 10, 2010 07:15 PM
LOL. Its not that easy. IP: Logged |
Ami Ann
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posted March 10, 2010 07:51 PM
Woman are not easy, Sanchuness, but you have enough of us here to get good advice LOL.
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vapor-lash
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posted March 10, 2010 07:56 PM
S - My brain feels like a dead-end street for astrology atm.I want to put some thought into your answer.. but I'm too focused on my 5000 w essay right now.. so I'll only reply once I've handed it in - early next week. IP: Logged |
Sanchenuss
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posted March 10, 2010 08:12 PM
Ami, whoa, what? I never said women are easy.
Vapor, okay thanks! Good luck on your essay. What is it on?IP: Logged |
Ami Ann
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posted March 10, 2010 08:32 PM
I think you should force yourself to be vulnerable about how much it HURT when she had that incident with the guy.
Woman need the man's heart as well as his strength.
x o x o Ami
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Sanchenuss
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posted March 10, 2010 08:37 PM
It didn't hurt in all caps and it shows that she can be deceiving.IP: Logged |
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