posted October 07, 2010 02:16 PM         

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Those with Venus in conjunction to Neptune in their birth chart are generally sensitive, creative, and attractive people. An impractical nature when it comes to love, money, and personal possessions is notable, even if Venus-Neptune people approach the rest of their lives in a more sensible manner. They are giving, and usually "give" more than they receive in close personal relationships, ready to make sacrifices for the one they love, generally loyal, and exceedingly kind-hearted. Sentimental and compassionate, natives with Venus conjunct Neptune are easily touched by others' kindness, music, poetry, dance, and most any art that evokes emotion. Some might say they are gullible in love, as they are inclined to forgive easily and trust that others are as good-hearted as they are. They may attract people who take advantage of their giving nature, or who elude commitment, or who are troubled or needy. As ready as they are to forgive, they are also easily hurt, and even shocked, in matters of the heart. They dislike crude, rude, and crass behavior and situations. Still, they are drawn to love relationships like moth to flame. Their imaginations and fantasy worlds are rich, and Venus-Neptune people believe that there is something out there for them, even after disappointments. There's an ethereal or mysterious quality to them that is subtly seductive and very attractive. As loving as they are, there is an ethereal and universal quality to their love that keeps them oddly out of reach, yearning for something magical and ideal, that can make their lovers feel strangely excluded--their love almost borders on impersonal. These very creative people are often artists.

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^Love is the force that shapes and sustains your life with Venus conjunct Neptune. Your romantic nature inspires you to believe in the ultimate possibilities of love, and you may have very definitive fantasies about loving. When you're in love, your compassion knows no bounds. You may feel that you could sacrifice anything for the man you love, and sometimes do. Yearning for a soul mate, you expect the same high ideals from your partner, although you may not always find them. Your emotional boundaries can be quite flexible, which allows you to feel what others are feeling, but which can also be confusing when you're trying to determine what's going on with you individually. You may not always feel confident taking the initiative in love, and may spend more time fantasizing about possibilities than you spend acting on your desires. You need a love which honors your spirituality and sensitivity, and need to safeguard against falling into situations which would abuse your kindhearted care and concern. From the Astrology Profile for Women report.

*You are very romantic, idealistic, and imaginative about love. You yearn for your "true love" or "soul mate" and may become disappointed in others who never quite live up to your dream image of the perfect lover. You frequently fantasize about love and often fall in love with someone you can only love from afar. You may avoid making a definite personal commitment. Gentle and sensitive, you do not like to be approached in a very direct or aggressive manner. You are attracted to those with artistic or mystical inc

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posted October 07, 2010 02:24 PM         

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I looked up Sun conjunct Venus and Sun conjunct Mars.
They are so different. Each embodies a strong energy and it is so different from the other.
It almost seems like the male energy/Mars is fused with the female energy/Venus.
The Sun is in the middle.

How does this feel?

Is it hard? Do you feel more masculine(Mars) or more feminine(Venus)

Do you feel it is hard to grasp your sexual/gender identity or are you confident of it?

How does your Sun(ego) feel with Venus and Mars so close?
I have Saturn conjunct the ASC. Did you have a hard childhood?
Which house has Cap on the cusp???
That would help in understanding you better.

You have Pluto in the first. Which house has Scorpio on the cusp---the 12th?

Pluto in the first would make you Plutonian. Saturn on the ASC would make you Saturn-like.
Wow--I don't think I have ever seen such a mixed bag of a person LOL

How do you feel with all these different energies?

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Hi Ami!!

I think the conjunction of Mars and Venus picks up the flavor of the most dominant one, my conjunction is in Aries, so I feel the Mars strongly. I think it would definitely have a different feel if it was in Taurus, or Cancer, or another feminine sign.

I did have gender confusion, I remember that at some point in high school, I told my best friend that I was upset because I was watching a movie and I realized that I could never play an attorney. And he kind of went like, what? Why? And I said that I couldn't do that because, um, well, I was not a man

Saturn on Asc... kind of textbook, hard birth, hard childhood, being forced to be a grown up since I can remember - ruler of my fourth (my dad is Cap).
Saturn is however conjunct Jupiter, so I think that sweetens the bitter, grumpy old man. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the day he turns into a wise old man

And, yes, I feel more plutonian than anything else (I'm a mix of pluto-mars-saturn-venus). Maybe it's the opposition to my personal planets, that I had to integrate somehow. Pluto rules my second, and his dear friend Lilith, is in my second too, in Scorpio.

posted October 07, 2010 03:03 PM         

I am very practical with money, though. I hate wasting it and always find the most qualitative products for the lowest price, and don't buy anything I don't need. I'm quite practical with personal posessions as well. I'm probably not as practical with love, since I don't always know what I expect from it.

Not entirely willing, but I do tend to make sacrifices for the one I love. I'm not exactly loyal (don't ask) but I do try not to cheat on my partner. I am kind-hearted or try to be at least.

I can be sentimental, but generally I try to avoid being it. I can also be compassionate - to those who deserve it. I'm definitely touched by others' kindness, love music (I want to be a musician), poetry a bit less (never really got into it), dance (but I can't for the life of me actually do it)... as for other arts: painting and drawing. Creating something beautiful out of nothing is what I love

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Some might say they are gullible in love, as they are inclined to forgive easily and trust that others are as good-hearted as they are.

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I agree, especially when you read that thread of mine about my soon to be ex (if he finally moves out). I forgave him almost every day over more than 3 years, where others have told me they would have kicked him out ages before. I always find the good in others, too, or try to find it.

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They may attract people who take advantage of their giving nature, or who elude commitment, or who are troubled or needy.

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Again, look at that other thread. The perfect example is right there! He takes advantage of my goodness and in retrospect I think I could say I only stayed with him because I was convinced he needed my help getting off the drink, because he was an alcoholic way before I met him and I knew this. Ironically, I'm the one who eludes commitment. Maybe I attract men who do the same, but I'm certainly not shy of doing a bit of commitment dodging myself.

I'm not very easily hurt though. Might be my Gemini moon, but I rationalise a lot of emotions which helps to not be hurt by them. If you can rationally explain something, you're more likely to understand it and less likely to be hurt by it. I don't particularly dislike crude, rude or crass behaviour for the same reason. I give them the benifit of the doubt. Maybe they meant it to come out differently. That being said, I love it when people are just honest and don't beat around the bush. If they have to be crude to get that done, then so be it. I'd more likely be surprised by such behaviour, but wouldn't dislike it.

I am drawn to partners like a moth to a flame, but not necessarily relationships. I like the romance about finding a partner and new love, but once it turns into a relationship I'll try to get away as quickly as possible. I think I'm addicted to looking for potential partners I certainly have a rich imagination and fantasy world, wether there's an etherial or mysterious quality about me I don't know... people do often tell me I seem mysterious but I tend to disagree with them.

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As loving as they are, there is an ethereal and universal quality to their love that keeps them oddly out of reach, yearning for something magical and ideal, that can make their lovers feel strangely excluded--their love almost borders on impersonal.

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You could have said they're hopeless romantics, which I am

That I would be an artist, is hitting the nail right on the head.

posted October 07, 2010 03:09 PM         

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Alternate Interpretations:

^Love is the force that shapes and sustains your life with Venus conjunct Neptune. Your romantic nature inspires you to believe in the ultimate possibilities of love, and you may have very definitive fantasies about loving. When you're in love, your compassion knows no bounds. You may feel that you could sacrifice anything for the man you love, and sometimes do. Yearning for a soul mate, you expect the same high ideals from your partner, although you may not always find them. Your emotional boundaries can be quite flexible, which allows you to feel what others are feeling, but which can also be confusing when you're trying to determine what's going on with you individually. You may not always feel confident taking the initiative in love, and may spend more time fantasizing about possibilities than you spend acting on your desires. You need a love which honors your spirituality and sensitivity, and need to safeguard against falling into situations which would abuse your kindhearted care and concern. From the Astrology Profile for Women report.

*You are very romantic, idealistic, and imaginative about love. You yearn for your "true love" or "soul mate" and may become disappointed in others who never quite live up to your dream image of the perfect lover. You frequently fantasize about love and often fall in love with someone you can only love from afar. You may avoid making a definite personal commitment. Gentle and sensitive, you do not like to be approached in a very direct or aggressive manner. You are attracted to those with artistic or mystical inc

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As for the alternative interpretations:

I probably only really agree with the idealistic bit. Since I'm a bit commitment phobic I'm kind of in a dilemma between wanting to be self-sufficient, not part of an item, and looking for my soul mate (which by now, I seriously don't believe in anymore: I'll just go for the next best good looking, buffed, intelligent and good humoured man I think, from now on - like Tina Turner sang; what's love got to do with it? It's only in the way.) I do like the idea of a soul mate, but I don't think it works out in practice. So despite my romantic idealism, I do try to stay realistic.

posted October 07, 2010 03:41 PM         

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I also have an unaspected moon, like you It's in Taurus, in my 8th, conjunct Chiron. Isolated mother, I feel as if I can't communicate with her. It kind of has an on and off switch, doesn't it?

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Thanks for your answer, Maira.
That is interesting you have Cap on the 4th house cusp and Saturn in the first and
you have a hard relationship with your father.
Was that relationship a dominant part of your life i.e trying to deal with it?
You have Saturn conjunct Jupiter. That would help a lot to give you perspective on it, I think.
What other aspects do you have to Saturn?

My moon is conjunct Mars (8 degrees). I feel like it is unaspected but it is debatable.
It has a semi sextile to Venus( a minor aspect not counted in terms of unaspected)

Does your moon make any aspects?

posted October 07, 2010 03:59 PM         

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Dear Amwols
I am gonna tell you what I feel. Tell me what you think?
I feel Uranus the strongest in you. If I had to identity you with any planet, it would be Uranus.
I do feel you are traditional ,too.
I think you want the foundation of tradition but from there, want to explore.

You indicated this on your post when talking about marriage.

I can feel both energies in you---Uranus and Saturn --but Uranus feels much stronger.

I saw your pix and you are the cutest Gemini ASC.
What are all the aspects your Mercury makes in the chart --since it is your chart ruler?

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Thank you Ami ^___^

I identify with both Saturn and Uranus equally... like you said, I like structures that enable security, but I don't like things that encroach personal freedom.

I have Mercury
conjunct Sun (5)
trine Moon (1)
sextile Mars (4)
sextile Jupiter (0)
sextile Saturn (5)
sextile Uranus (5)
semi-square Neptune (0)
semi-sextile NN (1)
trine Chiron (1)
trine ASC (4)

posted October 07, 2010 04:15 PM         

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Thanks for your answer, Maira.
That is interesting you have Cap on the 4th house cusp and Saturn in the first and
you have a hard relationship with your father.
Was that relationship a dominant part of your life i.e trying to deal with it?
You have Saturn conjunct Jupiter. That would help a lot to give you perspective on it, I think.
What other aspects do you have to Saturn?

My moon is conjunct Mars (8 degrees). I feel like it is unaspected but it is debatable.
It has a semi sextile to Venus( a minor aspect not counted in terms of unaspected)

Does your moon make any aspects?

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My relationship with my father got better over time. There were a lot of things to resolve, but we made peace some time ago. Lise Bourbeau says that - ironically, it is the parent with who we have the best relationship in childhood that we have more issues with. It's true, in my case. I'm currently trying and failing to have a good relationship with my mother.

I have set very firm boundaries with my father - we're Cap and Aries, we butt heads every one in a while, but it's all very respectful. My Saturn is opposed to Mercury, and square Neptune.

No other aspects to the moon whatsoever (very loose semi-square to Mercury, and a bi-quintile to Saturn).

posted October 07, 2010 04:28 PM         

I'm a very hidden person, I like being lost in the crowd, the anonymity of the city, or even the quietness of the countryside. I think my Immediate crust is very murky, or not very apparent to me. I'm about 90% dissociated from all things related to Capricorn. Reality can be highly subjective sometimes, and it sucks. Maybe that's why I live in my own sometimes (12th is the subconscious).

posted October 07, 2010 04:36 PM         

I feel that way about my Neptune lol

posted October 07, 2010 04:39 PM         

I am gonna come back and ask you about your Saturn aspects,if that is OK.
If you care to answer, I am gonna ask you some questions about your moon.
Do you find it hard to bond? Is it harder with men or woman, if it is hard?
What about children, pets ?
Do they play an important part in your life?

I am gonna look up the Saturn aspects and think about them for a bit

posted October 07, 2010 05:12 PM         

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What do you mean by "immediate crust", Benedict?
Can you explain more about how you feel,if you feel you want to. If I am being too intrusive, just ignore the question
I am gonna look up Saturn in the 12th

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Oh, I meant 'outer crust'..lol. In otherwords, the immediate impression that others have of me. It's not very clear to me, and I think its because my 1st house ruler is in the 12th.

posted October 07, 2010 05:47 PM         

Saturn in the 12th is a hard one, though, prolly the hardest.
You feel a sense of guilt not based on actual things,just a nagging sense of unease.
You can have a lot of self doubt.
It is hard for you to share your inner space with others.
You must try cuz you will find a lessening of your burdens.
This position of Saturn wants to make one retreat.
I can see that cuz the 12th house is the "womb".

posted October 07, 2010 05:50 PM         

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Saturn in the 12th is a hard one, though, prolly the hardest.
You feel a sense of guilt not based on actual things,just a nagging sense of unease.
You can have a lot of self doubt.
It is hard for you to share your inner space with others.
You must try cuz you will find a lessening of your burdens.
This position of Saturn wants to make one retreat.

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Sounds awfully familiar... except for the inner space thing.

Saturn in 12th, huh...

posted October 07, 2010 05:59 PM         

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Saturn in the 12th is a hard one, though, prolly the hardest.
You feel a sense of guilt not based on actual things,just a nagging sense of unease.
You can have a lot of self doubt.
It is hard for you to share your inner space with others.
You must try cuz you will find a lessening of your burdens.
This position of Saturn wants to make one retreat.
I can see that cuz the 12th house is the "womb".

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Yep, that all sounds about right. Sharing personal space is almost impossible for me unless someone barges right in...but I was sure it was that way for most Cancer suns..LOL. I'm sure this placement just adds more to it though. It was so bad in highschool that I was sure I was agoraphobic.

posted October 07, 2010 06:43 PM         

Yes, I am getting a sense of the isolation feeling that a 12th house Saturn can give. I am thinking that Saturn is the hardest planet to have in the 12th house. Do you agree on that? Thank you for sharing , Benedict

posted October 07, 2010 07:28 PM         

And...

posted October 07, 2010 08:09 PM         

My asc is Leo. Rule is the sun. Sun is in the 5th house in cappy, conj merc, and venus (widely)

posted October 07, 2010 08:12 PM         

totally thought I knew my stuff as far as house rulers are concerned but i guess not

if someone could look and my chart and kinda give me some feedback, anything would be great!

thanks!, i'm really curious.
http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?rs=3&btyp=w2gw&&cid=aovfile5mV76H-u1286118568

posted October 07, 2010 08:12 PM         

This is hard to understand, especially in american culture/society due to the mindset that being alone is "wrong/bad"

Also the 12th house can "blind" you to any planets here, as such you can ignore these energies which is never good in the long run.

posted October 07, 2010 08:30 PM         

Saturn is my 1st house ruler, and it is in my 12th house.

this makes me pretty sensitive, and particularly dreamy...I take on other peoples' emotions and sometimes find it hard to discern them from my own. I also have a strong intuition (which i think everyone has), I just can't avoid it, its clearer for me i suppose. I can tell well somethings wrong just by feeling, I typically feel my way into situations and get the vibe quickly.

(1st house is empty)