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Topic: Really, guys? Must you accentuate it? - Asteroids + Space.
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DD
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posted November 22, 2010 08:53 AM
 
IQ,"Without studies, they cannot be skeptical, they would be ignorant"
I think that is absolutely true. In the same way I also think that before believing something we have to study it, too, or at least following the studies of others, as far as they are presented, on that topic. IP: Logged |
raspberri
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posted November 22, 2010 10:17 AM
I have Nessus at 12 Virgo and
Venus at 14 Gemini
I know someone with Nessus at 24 Leo
Moon at 24 Taurus
Saturn at 25 Scorpio
He is kinda abusive, emotionally and he has put his hands on me before...
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katatonic
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posted November 22, 2010 11:14 AM
IQ!! no asteroid arguing here but if you think valus has a leo moon i think you have the wrong data...he claimed frequently to have an AQUA moon. of course people lie but i think his chart is here somewhere (unless it's been deleted)...IP: Logged |
iQ
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posted November 22, 2010 11:28 AM
Rasp,
This is a similar reaction, so many girls with Nessus sq Venus, Nessus sq Dejanira and Nessus sq Moon get abused. Primarily emotional abuse but too many have suffered physically as well. Way beyond random chance. I wish you could press charges on that pervy sociopath or taser his a&s.Hi Kat,
I always thought Valus had a Leo Moon? I never though Aqua Moons could seek so much attention, most were so aloof without an emotional care in the world.
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DD
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posted November 22, 2010 11:31 AM
HEY!don`t bash us Aquarius-Mooners. 
(just kidding, I am too aloof to take this personally. lol)
But yes I think Valus has an Aquarius Moon. The "voice" is different, too.
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raspberri
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posted November 22, 2010 11:43 AM
My dad is an Aquarius Moon and an Aries Sun his mother was a strange one.IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted November 22, 2010 12:10 PM
he has merc in sag. i believe he said it was unaspected...IP: Logged |
The Duke
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posted November 22, 2010 12:12 PM
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The Duke
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posted November 22, 2010 12:47 PM
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Ami Anne
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posted November 22, 2010 03:22 PM
Dear IQ
About your post about girls with Nessus squares to Venus, Moon etc---getting abused.
Is this cuz the energy of Nessus is caught up in the square to a personal planet???
I am trying to get a practical ,feeling sense of Nessus and Deja.
Could you say that Nessus is the energy of pure abuse kind of like rape in that Nessus takes what it wants with NO feeling for the other person?
Would Deja be the energy that does NOT fight back in it's own behalf.
Would this be the energy of a person who were "raped", so to speak, and made no attempts to stop it.
I am using these metaphor only to get a feel for these asteroids not in any sense other than that. Thank you IQ for any help IP: Logged |
Diana
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posted November 22, 2010 06:08 PM
Look, I am not trying to be mean or anything, but you said all serial killers have nessus afflictions and they just don't.
>>>P.S: Look at Bundy's Chart wth the Asteroids, and genuine astrology students will learn how relevant Asteroid Aspects work.
Saturn square Nessus by 1 degree. Nessus trine LUCIFER by one degree. Nessus quicunx Moon [likely by 2 degrees] Uranus oppose KAALI exact. Mars conjunct South Node
Squares DEJANIRA by 1 degree. Pluto square LUST by 1 degree.>>>>
What chart are you using for Bundy? Astro.com has an AA rating chart, with confirmed tob, and his moon has no aspects to nessus. I did say he has the saturn,but I'm not sure that counts.
Now you are mentioning other asteroids besides nessus as confirmation of your theory when you never said that before. You said they all have nessus afflicted to personal planets. I think if you throw enough asteroids into the mix, everyone's nessus will be afflicted. Or they will have an asteroid deemed "bad" afflicted to a personal planet.
What orbs are you using with nessus? Are you counting outer planets?
When you are saying asteroids really are proven to be a certain way, you have to expect to be able to prove it. Why are we supposed to just accept what is said about asteroids, or any astrological proof, without confirming it?
Are controls being used? How many people have nessus or lucifer or kaali afflicted, but aren't serial killers or sociopaths? How fast do these asteroids move -- will a whole generation have them in aspect to the outer planets? These are questions that have to be answered when bold and causal statements are made.
I'll have to look at the data you used for the other killers, but I am running a fever right now, so I don't feel like it. I will do it at some point though.
MVM,
Oh my Gosh, I would've ran all their charts!!
I did a few jobs where I had birth info on police officers, but no berth certs, but I didn't run their charts. I did notice, however that there was a lot of leos. A lot. Now, these were in small townships, so that needs to be taken into account. They chose small town policing over big city for a reason, I am guessing. There also aren't a lot of detectives in the townships, so I would expect detectives to have different suns, since it's not as martial and more cerebral. But it was interesting.
raspberri,
>>>Moon at 24 Taurus
Saturn at 25 Scorpio
He is kinda abusive, emotionally and he has put his hands on me before...>>>
I would look more at the moon opposite saturn, both in bad fixed degrees. But moon opp saturn can show problems with women. His whole chart would need to be taken into consideration, though.
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The Duke
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posted November 22, 2010 06:54 PM
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iQ
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posted November 23, 2010 01:12 AM
Diana,
To my satisfaction, I had proved the validity of Asteroids. Many times.
So I will consider Nessus square KARMA a valid affliction in a serial killer's chart.
My statements are based on my research, they are not religious dictums or Laws. You disagree I am 100% ok with it. In print my editor would have phrased it as "Many serial killers have Nessus afflicting key objects in their chart". This is a friendly internet forum where I don't bother about nitpicks and write rhetorically sometimes. I think 100 times faster, so I do not write like writing for a law firm.In this planet if hundreds of people live quietly without taking any action, and some do take action that is noted, we can analyze the charts best based on those who have acted. Why should I use a control group when I have the list of killers as the best "action group"? Do we use control groups like people who have big muscles and did not win Olympic Medals? They did not win because they DID NOT PARTICIPATE. We analyze Olympic Medal Winners for Muscle Performance. I analyzed Serial Killers for Nessus afflictions.
Maybe the non-killers did not get a chance. Maybe they vent in Video Games like Doom or Half-Life.
Most satisfy the aspects using FANTASIES.
Ted Bundy acted out Nessus square Saturn, a valid orb, on behalf of his generation. This is occult wisdom. This part cannot be proven by me, I just know it. He was the Participant. He got the opportunity. He took it and fully acted out his chart. If your serial killer lists do not have Nessus afflictions, good for you. Maybe you will find other consistent planetary aspects better than Nessus afflictions and enlighten me. I know my work. I can and will help other girls not get stuck by marrying in haste a Nessus-Saturn square Man who also has Mars square Dejanira with a Scorpio Moon. I would suggest to them to date for many months in places with lots of people before taking further steps. I have the responsibilty of guiding because I have been given the knowledge. I have too many suffering clients in my database who did not check Nessus and Neptune afflctions in synastry. Others need not suffer. IP: Logged |
iQ
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posted November 23, 2010 01:16 AM
Mr Duke,
120 year Vimshottari Vedic Progressions are very useful but need plenty of time to calculate. They need to be correlated with Transits to refine predictions. A year back I did give a primer on this and even the links to Junior Jyotish, a free software tool.IP: Logged |
iQ
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posted November 23, 2010 01:35 AM
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Dear IQ
About your post about girls with Nessus squares to Venus, Moon etc---getting abused.
Is this cuz the energy of Nessus is caught up in the square to a personal planet???
I am trying to get a practical ,feeling sense of Nessus and Deja.
Could you say that Nessus is the energy of pure abuse kind of like rape in that Nessus takes what it wants with NO feeling for the other person?
Would Deja be the energy that does NOT fight back in it's own behalf.
Would this be the energy of a person who were "raped", so to speak, and made no attempts to stop it.
I am using these metaphor only to get a feel for these asteroids not in any sense other than that.
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The illumination about Nessus came to me while pondering on Eric Francis' articles.
He mentioned how Nessus carries the energy from Saturn to Pluto and back. Karma to the "Underworld/Cesspool of Criminals" and back in the negative sense. Cleaning up the demons , purging them of their sins and giving them the second chance. To this astronomical insight we have the Myth Archetype of the horny rapist who takes advantage of a woman who trusted him.
So, yes, Nessus Energy has no feelings for the woman, and is certain that punishment will come but there is still no care. Getting a dose of Pluto after a Saturn sentencing is alright for this Energy. He calmly took Hercule's punishment but was CUNNING and CONVINCING enough to get revenge as well. Nessus Energy will confuse the victim, will play on their guilt and empathy, cry and cry and cry together till they are alone and then WHAM! Rape. Physical like Bundy or emotional rape like a sociopathic partner.
Dejanira is the Energy of the person who suffers because she not only refuses to fight back, she also does not take the leap of faith and jump off the Nessus Ferry. She is resigned to being part of Saturn-Pluto cycles and refusing to transcend beyond our Solar System.
Dejanira tells us where and how we refuse to give up receiving abuse.No girl should hesitate to shoot a person attempting rape out of fear or guilt of the consequences of killing the beast. Fear not the Saturn-Pluto cyclical energy of Nessus.
Take action. If you do not slay the beast, he will take more victims. Had one of the girls brutally defended herself against Bundy, more than 40 lives could have been saved. Nessus thus helps people overcome the Victim Mind Pattern by planning and attempting to execute abuse. We could take these posts to another thread.
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