posted December 17, 2011 09:18 AM            

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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
--I don't mean to butt in or anything, but what happens when Jupiter goes direct? Would luck improve for everyone? Anything else really important? I hear a lot about Mercury going retrograde/direct, but not as much about Jupiter.

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posted December 17, 2011 09:21 AM            

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Originally posted by SparklingSag:

Hi Firewire you have made me smile and thank you for your kind words and encouragment. Yes saturn and eclipes have been MAJOR! Hitting my relationships (family and men) so am hanging on in there. Can't wait for 7 days time...am off to Canada to celebrate Christmas with my sister so am going be looked after and loved. I think us Saggies are underestimated sometimes on how deep we can feel about people, just cause we smile through pain doesn't mean we don't feel it.

Sparkling

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Glad I could help Sparkling!

I hope you have a WONDERFUL trip. And yes we are underestimated. And ditto on the emotionality. I think that is a classic conversations most Sags have amongst themselves. I've had it with every Sag sun I've known.

And on another note, Janelle Monae--from the horse's {ok, the centaur's) mouth! !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-NpATPAa08&ob=av3e

posted December 17, 2011 09:36 AM            

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Originally posted by SparklingSag:
I'd be interested to know more too!

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Don't feel like you are butting in RegardesPlatero, we are all family (especially, considering this is a public forum, )!

Well, I'd been reading a lot of things for the past few months (and, I'm still a n00b sort of, I guess) and I kept hearing about how Jupiter retrograde would sort of...not be bad, but some of the blessings it normally bestows would either not be as potent, or not there at all. I didn't really pay much attention to it, until it went retrograde and started noticing somethings.

So Jupiter, the planet of giving, expansion and generosity moving forward, means tidings and great joy! At least that is my take on it! Sags are ruled by Jupiter, so I expect that some of the things we've been dealing with might become a bit better. People (even ourselves) might become more generous--emotionally, financially...etc. I don't know...maybe someone who is more knowledgeable can chime in. But, perhaps wherever you have been experiencing a "lacking" or a "drought" you might soon experience an abundance of some sort. Just an idea.

posted December 17, 2011 10:17 AM            

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
You know what? I'm a Cancerian Mars and I hate to agree with a stereotype but there's some truth to this. Actually gender is irrelevant though; I tend to have a problem with Arian people period, whether male or female.

They're just needlessly aggressive and combative to me and they see everything as a competition or a game and always try to goad you into competing with/arguing against them. Plus they're always trying to dominate everyone too - it's like they're that annoying pushy kid in class who always demands to be leader and if they don't come up first in every class activity they throw a tantrum.

There's no fear in me at all when it comes to Arians, I just find them really tedious, boring and childish.

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Funny I see this. I have a problem with people w/ Mars in Cancer. They tend to be manipulative and easily offended. Not backlashing, but my Virgo sun, Sag moon and Mars in Cancer friend whom I've known for YEARS still cannot be straight up with me when she wants something. For instance, she's coming to visit me tomorrow from out the country. And she built up the visit being like "We get to catch up!" and "I need you right now. I miss you." (she just broke up with her BF of 3 years and he's dating someone new already.) so I'm thinking "Oh, she's so sweet." and then the anvil drops.... she's like "Hey can you take me to go see my real dad?"

posted December 17, 2011 10:20 AM            

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:

Omg, yes. If we're truly in the wrong and really responsible for something, a Leo will apologize at the drop of a hat. If you never get any apology it's because you don't deserve it and we weren't wrong lol.

I agree with you about Aries. A lot of times they'll pull s**t or do truly rephrensible things and they will literally never acknowledge their guilt or how out of line they were - in fact a lot of times they'll do the opposite and lie and insist it was you that was in the wrong and try to justify and excuse their own behavior.

Based on the conduct of most Arian people I've encountered over the years, I actually think there's something to be said for the theory that the oldest, possibly most evolved sign in the zodiac is Pisces and that the youngest is Aries.

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Can you imagine a household where the mother and daughter are both Arians, then? I can.

posted December 17, 2011 10:26 AM            

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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
But why would he do that? You just showed enthusiasm.

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posted December 17, 2011 11:41 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:

Anyway, how many Leos do you know that dislike someone by association?

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Strangely, I have known a couple of Leo suns who have been this way. Or even if there is someone that someone 'might' look unfavorably upon, they have approached them with skepticism, without getting to know the person on a significant level. Could just be the people and they happened to be Leo suns though. I'm not sure. But I've seen it happen more frequently with them, than anyone else I've known in my social sphere.

posted December 18, 2011 04:39 AM            

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Originally posted by lindisfarne:
I agree op
and I like the flamboyance it's such a turn on...
I like guys that go big or go home
see Scott disick for reference lmao

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posted December 18, 2011 08:37 AM            

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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
Thanks so much for the insight!

I really hope that things are going to turn out that way. Right now, I feel like a lot of people are avoiding me (unreturned messages, no plans with anyone coming up except family for Christmas Eve, unacknowledged invitations (was supposed to do things with two people, both expressed interest, neither has followed up, which indicates either "just being nice" or a change of heart), feel tension and bad air with a few people--tension with a Libra and an Aquarius who haven't been in touch with me (and usually are frequently, so I'm wondering if I've done something), bad air with Leos). Really dreading today since I will be seeing almost ALL of the people with whom I am struggling. UGH! Not looking forward to it! I feel this big chunky weight in my heart; it's really heavy.

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Also, FireWire, not sure how long you've been around here, but I really, really like your optimism and upbeat spirit. I can get pretty intense, moody, and pessimistic, so I really welcome your cheerfulness and high spirits :-)

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Well, I'm a n00b around here, but I am glad my energy helps you, even if just a little bit!

I too can be pretty pessimistic, so I understand, especially finances and career--geesh! I am experiencing some of what you are experiencing as well.

I just try VERY hard to keep pushing past it, because everything will work out how it is supposed to be. I just have to accept that. I have to believe that nothing is taken away or removed from your life that needs to be there. Perhaps for a season, perhaps for a lifetime. I don't know anymore, I'm not sure. All I am certain of is that I want to be happy, and that is what I am striving for in life!

In any case, I feel like some sort of transits are happening with certain Sun signs right now. IE: Saturn has been slapping Libra's around for a while with so much, so many questions, pressures...etc. I've been watching this first hand as Libra rising and seeing it with others. But, I feel like although things are so tough, I am REALLY coming into my own and perhaps having the time of my life (even if in my head). I am becoming the person I need to be. Generally speaking, I think some people are going through A LOT right now and I can feel the energy and tension that some people prefer to disguise.

I will say I've noticed a couple of Leo suns seeming mildly depressed. I thought it was a coincidence, but then I noticed with a handful of people (some of whom I know personally, others not so much). But, their energy seems dramatically low. I sense they might be having some romantic or general tensions with relationship--even with self, self-concept and identity. I know that is very broad and could apply to anyone in general (and certainly some Leo sun will say "I am doing wonderfully, actually!" ). But the ones I have been around or those that are off prancing in the jungle seem to be that way. Which sucks because very few things are worse than a sad Leo...well, other than a sad Sag. Any Leo what to chime in and confirm or deny this? I am very curious.

posted December 18, 2011 01:54 PM            

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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:

Helps a lot; gave you the "Jupiter Optimism Award" on Lindaland Central. :-)

These past few days have been rough for me emotionally so I'm grateful to [b]everyone who has been helpful; not done with awards yet but want to be thoughtful and think on it more.

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Ah! You are so nice! Thanks!

You'll make it, I promise. Just keep it all in perspective, take it one step of a time. When you have a flood of difficult trying circumstances, try to isolate one at a time and 'attack' the issue or figure them out rather than being completely overwhelmed (as I do most of the time).

Isn't it interesting that in the darkest times (illness, death, love ending...etc), we can't imagine what it will be alike to be happy again. That is, until we are happy again. I think in these dark moments, if anything, we definitely can learn to appreciate joy and seek joy everyday of our lives. Those trying and testing moments are fertile ground to grow strong within yourself and seek the happiness that comes from within.

It is a little abstract, a little new agey maybe, but I only share this because I've lived one hell of a life. I realize now, my happiness and joy are too important to compromise for anyone! You seem to be a very genuine, sincere person. I feel these moments and any coming trying moments will not break you, but perhaps they are definitely asking you to redefine, reassess and understand yourself differently.

posted December 19, 2011 05:39 AM            

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Is that Kourtney's K's common-wealth husband? I LOVE HIM. He's a Leo? Had no idea.

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posted December 19, 2011 03:51 PM            

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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
*If I may ask a few more questions about Leos:

1) How do you know when a Leo is truly being nice because he/she wants to be nice, and when Leo is just being nice to get you to go away or because Leo feels like he/she has to be nice?

2) How do you know what a Leo really thinks of you?

3) What are Leo's limits on compassion, forgiveness, and understanding, and can they ever change a negative opinion of you that they have? Do you have any hope of fixing things with them if you've messed up or if you have ongoing struggles within yourself?

4) Do Leos appreciate effort and that you're working on righting your flaws, or does that not count--does only annoying them count, or are they able to see a work-in-progress? Do they take regret and trying to change into consideration, or do they just write you off?

5) If you have issues like (officially diagnosed) anxiety, depression, and Asperger's, do they consider that when judging you? Do they take into consideration that you have to fight harder than most against demons that most people don't have to fight? Or does that not matter?

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Here's my opinion, but I stand to be corrected...

1. I find Leos to be indifferent about people, as someone else has more or less stated. So if they're being nice to you, it's definitely out of their own volition.

2. You ask. Leos are honest.

3. Leos forgive easily but they don't make the same mistake twice. Someone once told me you can mess up with a Leo (say your really close w/ them and you mess up) but it will never be the same the second time around. Impo though it's almost as though a relationship with a Leo can't evolve or grow without drama and messing up. As if messing up is how Leos get to know you and you Leos.

4. They appreciate it but I don't think they're the type who would vocalize this appreciation.

posted December 19, 2011 04:10 PM            

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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
*If I may ask a few more questions about Leos:

1) How do you know when a Leo is truly being nice because he/she wants to be nice, and when Leo is just being nice to get you to go away or because Leo feels like he/she has to be nice?

2) How do you know what a Leo really thinks of you?

3) What are Leo's limits on compassion, forgiveness, and understanding, and can they ever change a negative opinion of you that they have? Do you have any hope of fixing things with them if you've messed up or if you have ongoing struggles within yourself?

4) Do Leos appreciate effort and that you're working on righting your flaws, or does that not count--does only annoying them count, or are they able to see a work-in-progress? Do they take regret and trying to change into consideration, or do they just write you off?

5) If you have issues like (officially diagnosed) anxiety, depression, and Asperger's, do they consider that when judging you? Do they take into consideration that you have to fight harder than most against demons that most people don't have to fight? Or does that not matter?

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1.) Because if we don't want to be bothered with you we'll state that REALLY directly, even be nasty if we have to.

2.) If we hang out around you and don't bite your head off, that's pretty much your sign right there that we don't hate you.

3.) I think this is different for everybody no matter their sun sign. But if they aren't avoiding you, haven't cussed you out, or anything along those lines then it's safe to say they've forgiven you and moved on and at this point, the only person even thinking about the past issue still, is *you*. And it's probably annoying the crap out of them, to be honest.

4. & 5.) If we see you're genuinely working on something and genuinely apologetic and truly trying to change we respect and appreciate that. But if you're trying to use it as an excuse like, "Oh I f**k up alot because my uncle used to make me eat dog food..." then...yeah. We don't have a whole lot of respect for that. Plenty of people have suffered or have issues and still manage to be decent people, so why can't you be, is our mindset.

posted December 19, 2011 04:57 PM            

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Well, to be honest, I have taken the advice here and have NOT been over-apologizing lately, so I am trying very very hard to rid myself of that habit. I'm being polite enough but distant--not "rude distant", but "giving space" distant. I've been trying to pour myself into things to distract me and to take my mind off of things so that I don't get caught up and over-anxious.

Also, want to be very clear that I do not use diagnoses as excuses. Only a handful of people know about them--I am not "out". I regularly go to therapy to treat them and more and more I am trying to find physical ways of releasing anxiety. The only time that I ever really bring them up is when (a) someone else mentions having/knowing someone with it, (b) when it has impacted my life experience/talking about it as a life experience, (c) if I know that something I did was due to not handling my anxiety well. Sometimes I handle my anxiety very well, sometimes I do not. When I don't, I admit that and take responsibility for it because I feel that I should (like, if I snap at someone due to being in an anxious state, I will say something like, "I'm sorry, I was really anxious about ___, and I shouldn't have taken it out on you; I should have handled that better". I have what I have; it's up to me to manage it effectively and I know that I screw up at times and that it's my own fault. So, no, I don't want to be treated like a "special snowflake". My only thing is that I do let a few people know (mainly people who are around me a lot and who might see it come out more) and that I would like those who know to understand and know that I am trying to work on things that are hard for me, but not make excuses for me. And those are just people who know about it. As I said, it's not something that I advertise, but have only disclosed to a select few (not counting people here).

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I still am a work-in-progress. I've had days when I really felt like I was going in a good direction and days when I've slipped. I move forward, I fall back a little, I go farther, and so on. I really do want to make changes in myself. Even though I mess up and get off-track, I'm trying to just pick myself up and keep going.

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Yeah, don't even apologize at all anymore and actually I would say don't even keep your distance unless they specifically told you they don't want to deal with you right now.

posted December 19, 2011 09:55 PM            

1) How do you know when a Leo is truly being nice because he/she wants to be nice, and when Leo is just being nice to get you to go away or because Leo feels like he/she has to be nice?

I would never be nice to make some one go away... I would just say go away to that person..
Im only nice when I want to be.. but of course, I still am cordiale, to people... Even if I dont like someone, I would stil have a level of respect.. But I would keep as much distances as possible..

2) How do you know what a Leo really thinks of you?
Ask em... They will tell you...

3) What are Leo's limits on compassion, forgiveness, and understanding, and can they ever change a negative opinion of you that they have? Do you have any hope of fixing things with them if you've messed up or if you have ongoing struggles within yourself?

I have no limits on compassion.. I dont forgive for easily, if I do I wont forget, and I would be more aware... I
Depends of the circumstance.. Somethings can be mended some cant.

4) Do Leos appreciate effort and that you're working on righting your flaws, or does that not count--does only annoying them count, or are they able to see a work-in-progress? Do they take regret and trying to change into consideration, or do they just write you off?

This is hard to say.. I guess it depends on the person, and what type of relationship, I have with the person...
I may not notice things right off the bat..
But I would notice an increase in a persons pride... I would than stand up and take notice.. Probably wont say anything about it though..