posted December 23, 2011 08:18 AM            

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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:

To be honest, though, I'm at a point where I'm not going to apologize anymore for my shortcomings to people, even though I do deeply regret the mistakes that I've made. They have theirs, and I let them grow, so if they can't do the same, and if they can't appreciate that I am really trying to work on things, then that tells me everything that I need to know. Other people aren't perfect either, and their faults are irritating but I still like them. I am certainly not perfect, and I definitely have flaws that I am working on, but am I really such a horrible monster? NO. I'm really not.

I need to be accepted for for who I am and be allowed to change and evolve for the better IN MY OWN TIME. I allow others to do this and I forgive most people; I still like people even if I don't like certain parts of them/certain things that they do. I feel that I should be given the same courtesy. I hate to be pushy and demanding with people, but I feel that this is only fair.

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posted December 23, 2011 09:35 AM            

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Originally posted by TaurusRising:
As a quadruple Leo, I have noticed that I can get annoyed with heavy water signs and have a really hard time connecting with any Scorpio types (but I love heavy plutonians, go figure). Constant moodiness and excessive watery emotions in others kinda dampens my fire, if you will. I will try and cheer someone up and help them look at whatever the problem is from a more realistic positive position. Maybe throw in an optimistic future outlook. But when it feels like nothing gets through and we end up goin in circles, then it gets to the point of draining my energy and I have to walk away to recover.

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I definitely hear ya. I'm a triple Aries and since I've been coming into my own I find myself being more aware of my complete and utter ****** -offedness at my Scorpio friend's inability to cheer up, to get over things. Water signs, man. They're really funny but everything is SUCH a huge deal. Any slight, any stroke of bad luck... ugh. And funny you mention heavy waters 'cause this guy that likes me is a (ready?) Cancer sun, Scorpio moon, Merc Cancer, Venus in Cancer. His Mars in Leo must be in the 1st house or something, idk. But I can't take him. He's very touchy as is my Scorp ASC, Scorp sun, moon in Cap, Mercury and Venus in Scorpio friend.

posted December 23, 2011 11:26 AM            

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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
I mean, I don't mean to be rude, but I put up with irritating habits that Leos that I know have, and, while I don't like that part of them, I still like them overall, and I was just wondering if Leos would see it that way or if they would just throw the person out and give up on them. I wonder this about people in general, to be honest.

... What I had in mind to do was to try to ACT in a more upbeat and uplifting way and try to be pro-active in making things better instead of over-thinking--more like Aries. I would hope that this would be effective.

To be honest, though, I'm at a point where I'm not going to apologize anymore for my shortcomings to people, even though I do deeply regret the mistakes that I've made. . . but am I really such a horrible monster? NO. I'm really not.

I need to be accepted for for who I am and be allowed to change and evolve for the better IN MY OWN TIME. I allow others to do this and I forgive most people; I still like people even if I don't like certain parts of them/certain things that they do. I feel that I should be given the same courtesy. I hate to be pushy and demanding with people, but I feel that this is only fair.

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You do over think way too much, just learn to take things as they are said, accept what is said exactly as it is said. Stop reading so much into it, there is nothing there to find. Most people, especially fire signs do not go around thinking of ways to encode their language with hidden meaning. Usually we blurt things out without first thinking about what we are saying. Especially the Aries types that i know (but I find that charming). I won't throw people out and give up on them because they are super emotional about something, thats just shallow.

Honestly, the only person that needs to accept you for who you are, is you. You, need to allow yourself to evolve and change. No one else matters. If someone doesn't give you the courtesy to accept you for you, then its time to move on and find a new friend. There are almost 7 billion people in the world, and the average person has 9 friends. The odds are in your favor to be able to pick out the right people for you to talk to/be around and to accept you as you are. Stop wasting time on those that poison your self-image.

posted December 23, 2011 01:03 PM            

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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
OK, though, if I can ask:

I myself have a Cancer moon, Pisces Jupiter, Scorpio Venus/Pluto.

Can you guys who have issues with water people still like them, though, and do you notice when we *are* trying to work on ourselves? Is there hope to fix things or not if we are REALLY trying to work on ourselves, or does this just not count or matter? Is it hopeless or not?

I mean, to be fair, EVERYONE has issues and flaws and bad habits, but I personally don't just cut people out of my life unless they physically harm me or are manipulative. Would other people give me the same time and room to evolve and work on myself? I mean, I can't just fix myself overnight and it is VERY unrealistic of someone to expect me to be perfect and put that kind of constant pressure on me. Are people just not allowed to ever screw up or have flaws, or can we have flaws, work on them, and have people like us while we still try to fix ourselves?

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This seems to be a pressing issue for you - might you start a thread on it?

posted December 23, 2011 01:56 PM            

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Originally posted by TaurusRising:

hannaramaa - Yea that would make me run for the hills. Both of my main relationships were with heavy water signs, I attract them like crazy too, especially Cancer types, but I have vowed to never again fall for that trap. Ha. That was too much to handle, dunno why I didn't learn the first time or why I stuck it out for so long. Independent, strong, playful, direct fire/earth signs only from now on...

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LOL! But don't you love playing in water?

:: walks over and splashes a little puddle water on your mane ::

posted December 23, 2011 04:17 PM            

The fire occupations are not - psychologist/therapist or priest - "i'll love you for all your flaws".. That's Piscean.

They are more like: singer, actor, writer, producer.... etc

Fire creates things that draw others in, entertain them, give them something to think about and inspire them.

posted December 23, 2011 04:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
Fire as an element is not there (on the astro wheel) to make people feel 'loved'.
It is there to entertain and inspire people.

The fire occupations are not - psychologist/therapist or priest - "i'll love you for all your flaws".. That's Piscean.

They are more like: singer, actor, writer, producer.... etc

Fire creates things that draw others in, entertain them, give them something to think about and inspire them.

When you ask these questions about "Will they still like me.. if..." you don't seem to understand fiery-style thinking.

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Out of curiosity, what is your sun sign?

To make people 'feel loved.'
To make people 'feel' loved.
To make people feel 'loved.'
To love.

To me, all of these things have slight nuances and can mean completely different things.

posted December 23, 2011 04:49 PM            

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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
So that means no, then?

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Lol! RegardesPlatero, your thread is still going strong!

I was thinking more about what Betty Boop Said...Somewhat ironically, the only therapists/psychologists I know are Leo's. And they are quite good at it, and they have the ability to place themselves in another shoes...which interestingly enough, is possibly a trait of a great actor/actress as well! All of the water signs I know are actually in BIG business, engineers, developers...etc, and I mean ALL of them, with only one exception.

But on second thought, doesn't the MC/10th have more do with one's career than just their sun sign?

It's not really that cut and dry is it? I'm curious about this...

Artists, for example, can be psychotherapists in a way. Writers can too. Along with actors and any entertainers. I know plenty of people who feel loved by so many actors/actresses...LOL. I kid...

...I feel creative fields can be very much 'healing' fields, because of the place most creative expression comes from. Many times, creativity (regardless of the shape it takes) is a form of catharsis. Hm. Also, artists are masters in making people 'feel' lots of things, honestly.

And also, isn't "I love you and all your flaws" different from "I accept you and all of your flaws" (if we refer to Lioness' thread with the Pisces, for example. I feel this person was 'accepting' of something she might be ashamed of). But, that certainly might make one 'feel loved' regardless of whether the person is 'loving them' or 'accepting them.'

posted December 23, 2011 05:04 PM            

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Originally posted by TaurusRising:
As a quadruple Leo, I have noticed that I can get annoyed with heavy water signs and have a really hard time connecting with any Scorpio types (but I love heavy plutonians, go figure). Constant moodiness and excessive watery emotions in others kinda dampens my fire, if you will. I will try and cheer someone up and help them look at whatever the problem is from a more realistic positive position. Maybe throw in an optimistic future outlook. But when it feels like nothing gets through and we end up goin in circles, then it gets to the point of draining my energy and I have to walk away to recover.

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Heavy water people seem to have this insistent 'woe is me' attitude that I find slightly offputting. Instead of whining about it or making it such a big deal, maybe it's time to get up and do sth? Change what it is you're unhappy about. Be productive.

The constant ups and downs of moods also gets old. I have found that heavy water does have this ability to drain me of my energy. I have my jupiter conjuncting my IC and I appreciate optimism and somebody laid back.

My mother's a scorpio sun and mars ( with air venus and merc and leo moon? I think?) and she always makes a big deal out of everything. Like if I get 3 tiny drops of WATER on the kitchen bench, all hell breaks loose. You would think the blender exploded or sth. Makes me roll my eyes really.

posted December 23, 2011 05:39 PM            

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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
Oops! Didn't mean to do that! Misunderstood!

And yeah, sorry to be a thread hog. Haven't really meant to be, but these issues have been at the forefront of my life lately--always have been important, but seem super-important now.

I can't help but feel, though, that, aggravating as it is, it's almost feeling good to be confronted, to have to take a step back, and to re-evaluate distortions that I have had. Headache-producing, perhaps, but necessary. I'm having the thought at this very second, right now, that perhaps all of the ups and downs that I've been experiencing just might be able to lead to somewhere good.

At my next meeting, for example (at my club), I plan on drawing on my north node for inspiration as well as my Sag ascendant to bring my fire side/show off the fire brightness that I do have (Saturn, Uranus, ASC in Sag, 1st house; north node Aries). I want to bring some fire optimism to people. I have fire in my chart, so I should use it, right? Not to burn things or be a destructive little pyro, but to brighten.

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Didn't mean to do what? Lol, no need to apologize! I was congratulating you on having such an active thread!

And of course you know fire is a purifying element in many cultures! So let it burn burn bright!

posted December 23, 2011 05:41 PM            

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Originally posted by mintgirl123:

My mother's a scorpio sun and mars ( with air venus and merc and leo moon? I think?) and she always makes a big deal out of everything. Like if I get 3 tiny drops of WATER on the kitchen bench, all hell breaks loose. You would think the blender exploded or sth. Makes me roll my eyes really.

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posted December 23, 2011 06:41 PM            

I'm referring to elements not Sun Signs actually... Maybe it's futile because it's impossible for any person to represent ONE sign or one element.

Firewater - My Sun is in Aries trine Saturn in Saggy and I have Uranus in Saggy also. That's *all* my fire.

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To make people 'feel loved.'
To make people 'feel' loved.
To make people feel 'loved.'
To love.

To me, all of these things have slight nuances and can mean completely different things.

Is this an example of 'fiery-style' thinking?

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posted December 23, 2011 06:50 PM            

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FIRE: Aries, Leo, Sagittarius

Rub a match lightly a few times on the ignition strip of a matchbook -- no ignition. Next, apply more pressure until the match ignites and suddenly burns brightly. Hold the burning match for a few seconds, then light a piece of paper with the burning match. Let the match go out after it is placed on a fire resistant surface (plate, ashtray, etc.). Light other matches and extinguish them by putting in water, blowing on, and smothering.

At first, the match does not ignite when lightly struck, but with harder rubbing (more friction, thus higher ignition temperature) does start burning. Fire people need the proper amount of stimulation before they will show any interest in a situation, but once "ignited", fire people get intensely involved. Before ignition, fire seems completely disinterested. The only speeds on the fire gearshift are stop and ahead fast; the gear shift is made suddenly.

Once the fire has started to burn, the flame only burns along the match (fuel), not out into the air or along the plate when the match is placed on the plate. Fire only moves toward what interests it personally (fuel) and ignores the rest (non-fuel: air, plate) as if it didn't exist.

The lit match gives off heat and light. Fire can warm and inspire those nearby. Unfortunately too much heat burns up others -- all that is left is ashes. Fire is best as a stimulator when it enthuses people, rather than burning them up. If too enthusiastic and left to burn unchecked, fire can completely consume and destroy all the human and material resources.

A fire can't control its own burning. Fire people are often very generous with their time, energy, and money -- provided the activity interests them (fuel)

Fire people are here to learn the lesson of love and wisdom. Love can cleanse, purify, heal, and inspire, but love without wisdom can destroy. Encourage fire's creativity, passion, and enthusiasm, but also help fire see the results of their "burning", so that fire can learn wisdom. Fire people on the path of love and wisdom are

· Vital and spontaneous -- envied and sometimes resented by more peaceable types;

· Children at heart;

· Burns, often very quickly, and then is gone;

· Confident, generous, outgoing, active (physically and emotionally); -Impulsive and gets bored quickly;

· Loves starting projects and relationships, but may grow tired and leave rather then finish;

· Can lack self-control and sensitivity to others;

· Dramatic, intense, likes change;

· Brings up new possibilities;

· Sees how to prepare for future.

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http://www.cosmic-imperative.com/elements.htm

posted December 24, 2011 11:40 PM            

What's the difference between leaving and finishing though? Don't they leave because they think/feel the relationship is finished?

posted December 25, 2011 02:00 PM            

i have met many leo people and always liked their flare and charm
they are always fun to be with (as long you dont step on that huge minefield they call ego)
and none of my leo friends ever treated me badly or hurt...they are always nice to me