posted May 04, 2016 05:14 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
So what you're saying...is that he'll be attracted to his lunar qualities more than Venusian. I can see why someone would think that. ('Course, it might be different if we were still in the days of shotgun weddings. )

But it almost sounds like you're saying that a man will marry one type of woman while being attracted to or tempted by mistresses on the side.

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Originally posted by diamondbaby:
I think what OP meant is that men with very different Moon/Venus signs (Moon/Venus opposition, square, etc) generally speaking have a harder time finding the right woman to settle with and even if they do they are more likely to long for someone else and maybe even cheat on their partner because their definition of the ideal female is a bit contradicting and not as defined as of men with compatible Moon/Venus signs.

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I was not thinking about cheating at all, I was just thinking about the yearning aspect. But since the cheating part seems to be getting traction in this thread, I decided to explore it a bit.

I went and looked up the charts of Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Gennifer Flowers and Monica Lewinsky.
Bill Clinton: http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Bill_Clinton#hbiographie
Hillary Clinton: http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Hillary_Clinton#hbiographie http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Gennifer_Flowers#hbiographie
Monica Lewinsky http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Monica_Lewinsky#hbiographie

He has moon in Taurus in the 8th house. The only planet he has in earth element, and it is loosely squared by his Leo Sun and Pluto planets. So we could say he is drawn to marry a scorpionic type of beautiful woman who grounds him in reality. Hillary fits this as is scorpio sun and scorpio rising. Her NN conjuncts his moon, and her MC is in another earth element Virgo.

At the same time, he has Venus in Libra in the 1st house. which I interpret as being attracted to venusian types of women that are somewhat headstrong due to Aries rulership of 1st house. Air element should be strong in them, Hillary activates his Venus through her Neptune in Libra, but while this conjunction makes for unconditional love, it tends to dilute the sexual energy... And she has no planets in Aries. She has 2 planets in air signs, but they are not personal planets. Uranus and Neptune.

Gennifer Flowers's Mars in Libra is conjunct Bill's Venus. Definitely sexual contact. She also has NN and moon in Aries. Plenty of planets in air.

posted May 04, 2016 05:34 PM            

Friend who has virgo moon/aqua venus, marry a cancer moon, aqua venus/mars lady. His moon trine her sun.

posted May 04, 2016 05:44 PM              

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Originally posted by Liliya:
Dear Violets,
Please stop being so funny. My laughing woke my baby up.

Regards,
L

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posted May 04, 2016 05:52 PM            

There are so many lies (but also marital infidelity) in politics that I'm not sure about that now. But I do know several Clinton sex jokes. I tried to look some up but ended up fighting a major attempt to install malware (hopefully failed, scanning for malware now and that the scan is still running is a good sign) so I won't do that.

Does anyone remember the joke about Clinton putting a can in a box every time he cheated on Hillary? There was a few cans and a bunch of cash, and at first Hillary thought that wasn't too bad, but then asked about the money and he said every time the box was full he took the cans in to be recycled.

Another was that Bill Clinton accidentally got sent to Heaven and the Pope to Hell, but the error was noticed and corrected. As Clinton going down meets the Pope going up and Clinton says there's no hard feelings. The Pope says he can't wait to meet the Virgin Mary and Clinton says, "Too late." (That is, Mary was no longer a virgin.)

Another one was him and other politicians in Oz. One wanted a brain, Gingrich wanted a heart, and Bill Clinton wanted Dorothy.

He wears boxers to keep his ankles warm and Hillary has sex with him early in the morning as she wants to be the "first lady."

Another was Hillary going to a fortune teller who tells her that her husband is going to be murdered. Hillary then asks, "Will I be acquitted?"

I think my favorite is Bill Clinton getting a threatening letter from an angry husband over the President sleeping with his wife. Clinton's security team says he must tell the man he won't approach his wife again and he says he can't as he doesn't know which one sent it.

posted May 04, 2016 06:07 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Interesting about Monica and Gennifer, but didn't Clinton have relationships with several women?

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Those two women are the only ones I know of for sure and the only ones whose charts I could access. Most certainly, they were the most promiment ones so looking at their charts made sense to me,

You are welcome to put up charts for the other women.

posted May 04, 2016 06:18 PM              

But maybe we'll find the few LL guys around here who can speak of their own experience with these aspects.

I can speak for mine, and I believe it plays the type of role you're talking about, Belage. I do feel like those energies don't coexist well in my relationships, and I do occasionally feel longing. But again, it's not the norm.

I have some stuff to do, but I can share my own experience a bit when I get back. I'm not a guy, but I do believe it works the same for me (unless I'm overlooking something else at play in my natal, which is entirely possible).

posted May 04, 2016 06:21 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:

Another was that Bill Clinton accidentally got sent to Heaven and the Pope to Hell, but the error was noticed and corrected. As Clinton going down meets the Pope going up and Clinton says there's no hard feelings. The Pope says he can't wait to meet the Virgin Mary and Clinton says, "Too late." (That is, Mary was no longer a virgin.)
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He wears boxers to keep his ankles warm and Hillary has sex with him early in the morning as she wants to be the "first lady."

Another was Hillary going to a fortune teller who tells her that her husband is going to be murdered. Hillary then asks, "Will I be acquitted?"

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I just died!!! LMAO

posted May 05, 2016 12:07 AM            

If you don't touch at least my Moon, Venus, and Mercury, it probably isn't more than either a fling or a friendship.

And...

posted May 05, 2016 10:13 AM            

For example, my Sun is Taurus and Mars is Gemini - however, Saturn is exactly opposite my Mars and squares my Moon. I find Gemini men fun and interesting as acquaintances/friends (anything that allows A LOT of space so I can escape them when I get annoyed), but cannot handle more intimate relationships with them because I get annoyed and irritated by them. Obviously there are other aspects in a chart that can balance this, but in general I am quite uncomfortable with Gemini energy.

I also have never been attracted to Taurus men, though I do enjoy them as friends. My Sun is inconjunct my Aries Venus, which makes me feel bored and restricted by a lot of Taurus energy (in spite being one myself!).

I am exceptionally attracted to Aries, Aquarius, Capricorn, and Virgo men...there are definite reasons for this in my chart - what I'm basically getting at is that I don't see the Moon/Venus formula as very representative of the type of longterm partner a man might desire/be content with.

I think chart patterns in synastry are way more important than any planetary aspects. For example, my dad's Venus is in Aqua, but my mom has no Aqua in her chart - however, her Sun and Jupiter are conjunct in her 11H. My mom's Mars is in Pisces - my dad has no Pisces in his chart, however, he has Neptune as part of a tight T-square with his Moon and Mercury.

posted May 05, 2016 10:20 AM            

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Originally posted by deptic:
I have no water in my chart, except saturn in pisces. and somewhere where i was doing research i saw that i might attract partners with water or that of water tendencies in their chart.

i have no water in my chart so i wouldn't might having someone to wash me down .. too much lava (earth and fire) hehehe...

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Same.

I'm all Earth & Fire, most of my friends, and boyfriend are very Airy and Watery, two elements I am void of.

posted May 05, 2016 01:22 PM            

I understand people better when their sun goes with my moon

Same for Venus and Mars
Like dating someone with the same Venus and Mars as me is strange because it's like I'm dating myself
I want their Mars to go with my Venus so their is a diversity

Also if u want a better understanding
The sun is your identity and your core self and where you shine
So if someone's emotional needs were being met through someone else's emotional needs were being met that obviously it just works

posted May 05, 2016 03:05 PM              

I'm a Lucky queen of wands
My *cap* soulmate has Sag moon and Scorpio Venus conjunct each other
With Jupiter and Pluto in the mix
and Uranus and Neptune sextile them

posted May 05, 2016 06:56 PM            

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Originally posted by etherealsaturn:
Same.

I'm all Earth & Fire, most of my friends, and boyfriend are very Airy and Watery, two elements I am void of.

According to Desc, I'm attracted to Watery, Plutonic influenced people.

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posted May 06, 2016 01:21 AM            

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Originally posted by diamondbaby:
In my opinion, men definitely marry their Moon sign type of woman. Sun is the archetypal male energy (husband) and Moon is the archetypal female energy (wife). Mars and Venus represent sexuality and attraction in synastry, but in my opinion they don't have much to do with emotional compatibility and marriage itself. While sexual compatibility (Venus/Mars) is very important, when it comes to marriage most people seek a deep, emotional/spiritual bond also.

I find men with harmonious Moon/Venus aspects (specifically Moon/Venus conjunction and trine; sextile not so much) very loving, caring, and loyal.

My husband has Moon/Venus conjunction in Leo. His Moon/Venus conjuncts my Moon, and my Venus is in a fire sign as well (Sagittarius). I'm a very Leo-like woman (I not only have Moon, but Ascendant and Jupiter in Leo as well, plus my Sun and Venus is the 5th house). My husband knew the very first moment we met that I'm his type.

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You might be onto something....My moon is opposite my mars.

My Venus wins out for me in that case.

I would never date a female Aries, I find them "loose cannons" and the Aries-Taurus cusps are "stubborn loose cannons".

As per my moon aspects I have always had great deep platonic friendships with women when my moon forms a trine or conjunction with there venus, but I find it to perfect and compatible that it gets boring.

For example I just started talking to a Leo I knew back in my teens. She confessed I was her first crush and she gave me her chart data, yup Moon/Venus conjunction. It was somewhat obvious she really did act similar to how my cat shows affection, lol.

She's perfect and I can almost say anything no matter what my mood is or what I'm thinking.

But there's just something that is keeping it from going beyond that...and it will always be that way.

I would say "a spark that won't catch on fire".

Moon/Venus is great if there is some hard aspects. Otherwise if its to compatible it gets too boring.

posted May 06, 2016 02:59 AM            

In the case that they don't settle with ppl whose sin sextile or trine their own, it usually goes:
-libra with cancer/Scorpio but not Pisces
-Gemini and Virgo (and usually Gemini women with Virgo men)
-Taurus and Aquarius

Also ppl like to settle with those whose sun opposite their moon or vice versa

posted May 06, 2016 03:50 AM            

My dad has his Moon and Venus in Taurus. My mom is a Cap Sun and Scorpio Venus.

My mom has her Moon in Aries and Mars in Leo. My dad is an Aries Sun and Mercury.

posted May 06, 2016 08:28 AM              

My husband and I both have Venus quincunx Moon (although mine is just over a 2* orb for a quincunx, but it's still noticeable).

I seem to date guys who have a combination of my Moon and Venus qualities, and at least for myself I know that I also have a bit of both regarding my husband's placements.

It's the type of relationship, I think, that tends to either make it or not.

Regardless of what "type" of relationship I go with (Venus or Moon, Aries or Virgo), I'm always left feeling a little bit like "Jeez, I really wish this person had some of the qualities that other person had", but they never seem to combine.

So, after years of inadvertent research, I've come to the conclusion that my Moon is more important to appease than my Venus. I think that most people eventually, with experience perhaps, probably come to that realization when they have such dilemmas, but perhaps some people never really do.

My husband and I both have earth Moons and fire Venuses, so our marriage has some of both elements, and we are (so far) able to accept (sometimes begrudgingly) that some things are just not a part of our package.

I suspect, now that I'm thinking of it, that our Venuses sometimes get the short end of the stick, as I'm not interested in being spontaneous unless it's my idea, and he has no interest in being in the city or living any kind of "cosmopolitan" lifestyle (because I can't think of a more appropriate term at the moment).

But I don't think that we both necessarily sit around longing for a different type of partner altogether. It's more along the lines of having different interests and liking different things, but always sharing the common interest of our home and family, and spiritual well-being (we both have H8 Suns as well).

These things can be worked out and accepted, I think, if both people understand that the differences exist, and it's not a bad idea to compromise sometimes, and find the common interests where they are.

So okay, that's my early morning pregnancy brain essay on the topic.

posted May 06, 2016 09:30 AM            

If the moon and Venus form a tight aspect, both at the same degree of their respective signs, then those degrees will stand out in the synastry & composite.

Those same degrees will also come up in key midpoints, transits & progressions at the time of marriage.

In my experience it's never so simple as "A man marries his moon or Venus." It's not just the preferences he brings to the table. It's how a relationship shapes his preferences and teaches him what feels right.

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My husband has Virgo Venus semisextile Libra moon. I'm a Capricorn.

Simple analysis: he married his Venus.

Complex analysis:
* His ASC, sun, moon, Venus, Saturn, Uranus are within the same three-degree range as my ASC, Mercury, Venus, Uranus. All these planets and points are aspecting each other, creating resonance.

* Naturally the composite has these degrees represented, resulting in some binding conjunctions, like composite IC conjunct Saturn ---> conjunct his moon ---> conjunct my Venus/Saturn midpoint.

* And lots more stuff like this happening at other degrees...involving much more than the moon/Venus and sun/Mars hyperfocus.

posted May 06, 2016 11:34 AM              

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Originally posted by Faith:
I think...

If the moon and Venus form a tight aspect, both at the same degree their respective signs, then those degrees will stand out in the synastry & composite.

Those same degrees will also come up in key midpoints, transits & progressions at the time of marriage.

In my experience it's never so simple as "A man marries his moon or Venus." It's not just the preferences he brings to the table. It's how a relationship shapes his preferences and teaches him what feels right.

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My husband has Virgo Venus semisextile Libra moon. I'm a Capricorn.

Simple analysis: he married his Venus.

Complex analysis:
* His ASC, sun, moon, Venus, Saturn, Uranus are within the same three-degree range as my ASC, Mercury, Venus, Uranus. All these planets and points are aspecting each other, creating resonance.

* Naturally the composite has these degrees represented, resulting in some binding conjunctions, like composite IC conjunct Saturn ---> conjunct his moon ---> conjunct my Venus/Saturn midpoint.

* And lots more stuff like this happening at other degrees...involving much more than the moon/Venus and sun/Mars hyperfocus.

If we have simple theories the threads get long and complicated; if we have complicated theories the threads seem shorter.

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