posted July 03, 2016 01:46 PM            

I'm not saying it is all to blame, but me myself having my Moon on Antares, and knowing other people who've had planets on Antares I've definitely seen patterns. Antares is the heart of the scorpion after all.

Im not sure putting all Sagittarians in the same category is fair. xD

posted July 03, 2016 01:54 PM              

I blame lazy astrologers / researchers. I had similar thoughts about Sag simply not being depicted right (hence this post), and went through a phase of kind of not being interested my sign. Not b/c I wanted them to be evil or anything, I just know myself and felt something was lacking in the descriptions. Everything made it sound like Sag types were happy go-lucky oafs lol. Perhaps endearing but totally inaccurate. If anything, we are optimistic extremist (physically, mentally, and spiritually) with a natural inclination to seem like non-threatening oafs to ensure those extremes are fulfilled with little objection .

The fact that you felt that way about the cook-book texts is very Scorpio-like in and of itself.

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Originally posted by Lerena:
I thank you for making this topic. My progressed Ascendant has been Sagittarius since I was like 3 and I just never understood that. When my mother told me my birth time I would get angry every time my Ascendant came up as Sagittarius, because I didn't relate to typical descriptions. Sagittarius still covers most of my 1st house even though I've rectified my chart to make my Ascendant Scorpio instead. In my defense, transits seem to be well-timed to events in my life and many of the ones I found wouldn't have shown up as accurately if I didn't rectify my chart.

Anyway, more on subject, the Sagittarian dark side is almost never mentioned anywhere. Cookbook interpretations say things about them that get overshadowed by positive traits. This used to bother me and until the very moment I read this thread Sagittarius was my least favorite zodiac sign.

I am now beginning to view Sagittarius in a different light. I don't hate the sign anymore, because their flaws have been exposed and now I know that there's more to them than what I read about in most interpretations of this sign.

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posted July 03, 2016 01:55 PM              

Btw, both had venus in Scorp (if I remember correctly). Having Scorp personal planets is major fuel to the Sag fire.
They're very impressionable, up to a certain age. Almost accepting all stimuli down to their bones. And then all of a sudden, one day that mould hardens. And it's the complete reverse. They don't feel *any* outside stimulus, positive or negative. You can't try to reason, beg, plead, make any appeal whatsoever. They're 'gone'. -- Sociopathic tendencies manifesting.

The only thing they know, the only thing they can feel is the violence.

Oh and, Kemper was a huge, physically intimidating man. Despite all he'd done, he managed to bluff the people in the mental institution to set him free. You need some serious charm and convincing skills to convince a shrink to let you outta the asylum.
Ted Bundy, as we all know, charmed all his victims into "helping" him..as a complete stranger.

posted July 03, 2016 02:12 PM            

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Originally posted by LittleBlackCat:
@mirage29: I am definitely going to check out those links you posted! Down the rabbit hole again I go lol.

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posted July 03, 2016 02:13 PM              

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Originally posted by Elysia:
@LBC, I guess in those extreme cases, there was an 'extra' something that made it go from regular bat-head-biting wildness to actual manslaughter.

Btw, both had venus in Scorp (if I remember correctly). Having Scorp personal planets is major fuel to the Sag fire.
They're very impressionable, up to a certain age. Almost accepting all stimuli down to their bones. And then all of a sudden, one day that mould hardens. And it's the complete reverse. They don't feel *any* outside stimulus, positive or negative. You can't try to reason, beg, plead, make any appeal whatsoever. They're 'gone'. -- Sociopathic tendencies manifesting.

The only thing they know, the only thing they can feel is the violence.

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I did notice that where there is Sag, Scorpio is not far away. Not in all cases, but for quite a few including myself (Scorpio Asc., 8th house moon, Pluto Conj. Asc in Scorpio, etc.). Poor Scorpio has such a bad rep. lol but it is undeniable that the combination of the two can create something extremely elevated or extremely sinister. Great observations. If it were not for a really spiritually aware environment, I could totally see myself exhibiting the very patterns you mentioned. As a child the slightest stimuli was magnified and expanded, then I started to become sort of numb and immune. I could literally feel myself becoming potentially sociopath-like. Glad it didn't get that far. Looking back it was a subconscious defense mechanism (I was exposed to violence and trauma early).

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Oh and, Kemper was a huge, physically intimidating man. Despite all he'd done, he managed to bluff the people in the mental institution to set him free. You need some serious charm and convincing skills to convince a shrink to let you outta the asylum.
Ted Bundy, as we all know, charmed all his victims into "helping" him..as a complete stranger.

^ The 'everyone likes them', 'how can they not see' -- Jupiter kind of popularity. [/B]

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posted July 03, 2016 02:22 PM            

Sagg are half men-half beasts. So what do you expect? and they are protected by Jupiter. So they get away with doing wild stuff the rest of us would be crucify for.

posted July 03, 2016 02:28 PM              

and lol @ being interesting folk, "interesting" is perhaps most fitting indeed. Thank you

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Originally posted by Elysia:
Hahaa!
Yep.. As neighbours, they're likely to have planets in each other's signs.

I've known quite a few Scorps with Sag inner planets and vice-versa. They were some of my closest friends and very interesting folk.

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posted July 03, 2016 02:30 PM              

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Originally posted by Elysia:
Oh yeah..

Also, Sag comes after Scorpio in the Zodiac, right.. So, some of those Scorp lessons are 'taken to the next level'.. Even if they have impulses that are just as dark as the ones traditionally attributed to Pluto, they can still peddle them with a winning smile. Scorp has raw magnetism., it draws you in.. Very intense, very focused, very powerful. Sag's brand of people-pulling is more outward. More noticeable. More easy-going. That's probably why people don't feel threatened (usually).

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posted July 03, 2016 02:32 PM              

:S
Still embarrassed about it a little.

posted July 03, 2016 02:38 PM              

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Originally posted by Belage:
Fascinating thread.

Sagg are half men-half beasts. So what do you expect? and they are protected by Jupiter. So they get away with doing wild stuff the rest of us would be crucify for.

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posted July 03, 2016 02:54 PM              

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^ Lol, I thought I botched it so I erased it.

:S
Still embarrassed about it a little.

Something's playing havoc with my mind these days! #BrainFreeze

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posted July 03, 2016 03:04 PM              

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Originally posted by ilunatique:
this says it all

*pic was here*

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There is something both adorable and a tad creepy / loony lol. Like you have the potential to just go berserk. I think you're pretty and I can see Sag's charm with a plutonian depth / mystery. I get most of this from the first picture.

I don't think ppl can detect anything too off from my appearance. My exterior hides things very well. I posted my pic on here before and everyone thought I was a laid back Capricorn or Virgo :-)

posted July 03, 2016 03:07 PM              

A lot of Sag, a little bit of Cap (Venus) and Aqua (Moon) and Pisces (Jupiter, but it disposits my Sun, Mercury, Mars, ASC).

But I am a pretty boring Sag, not very dark.

Well my Neptune-NN is very close to Antares, ASC is over 2 degrees off, and maybe I am glad it is.

I think in the analysis of Darkstar they called my Neptune-NN on Antares "spiritual warrior" and mentioned the minor triangle with my Pluto-Pallas-trine.

posted July 03, 2016 03:10 PM              

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Originally posted by LittleBlackCat:
Then you better be careful of the Sag woman with Venus in Capricorn. She will radiate a sophisticated Saturn disposition / composure but really be a wild Sag inside. However by the time you see that it would be too late lol

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Shht, don`t spill all our secrets.

posted July 03, 2016 04:58 PM            

EVERYONE has a dark side. That's just human nature. Here, interesting bit IMO, this shows that both a sense of right and wrong, but also of bigotry and a desire to punish those different from us (as well as those who do wrong) are something we're born with:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRvVFW85IcU

posted July 03, 2016 05:00 PM            

He also bragged about booby traps he set up for his drunken parents, things me and the other kids never would've gotten away with had we done the same to our parents. His parents were obnoxious jerks, but they seemed to genuinely think the booby traps were just accidents and would take out any rage on the trap itself rather than the boy, whereas the rest of us were convenient targets even if we weren't the ones to tick our parents off in the first place. Maybe that Sag sun would've come in useful for us as well.

posted July 03, 2016 05:43 PM              

I can't help to think about my first fiancee about this, though I dated another Sag born the same day as him, who threatened to find me and ruin my life when it was the happiest - apparently it wasn't a good enough reason to stay away from Sag Psycho No. 2. :/ Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love Sags, in general, I myself have 4 Sag planets, making it my dominant sign even though it's not my Sun sign. And I have the Antares thing going on as well - maybe I'm more sympathetic because of that? Who knows..

Anyways, back to my first fiancee... He made me go through an emotional roller coaster brought on by various shocking news (of which I don't think any was real, but bought them at the time), pushing me to the brink of suicide and well, my life's rock bottom. While I believe he was more of a symptom of "how low I could go", I can't deny his contribution, some of that was purely sadistic. Anyways, it seems he did get away easily, because I found it very easy to forgive him and move on and I gave him an expensive watch as a goodbye present. *facepalm* It's hard for me to argue why I felt I needed to do that, I guess maybe I sensed he was the catalyst of my biggest transformation - which he was. Still, I could have just thanked him and move on instead of giving him the watch. Let's say it was not one of my brightest moments, ok?

posted July 03, 2016 06:40 PM              

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Omg this drives me crazy! They're so much more political than Capricorn is and never get called out on it. I can see through many of the Sag people I meet, many people in general - by that I mean I can tell if they're just unaware of what they're doing or not. Anyway one guy with a Sag rising and Sag moon eeeeeeveryone loves and just supports him and he's got all these friends, but there is something dark about him. I can see it and it drives me nuts other people can't or won't see it too! He's got a temper for sure and I'm certain cutting him out of my life and moving on is saving me from a disaster down the line. He's an Aries sun at that.

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Sag is VERY opinionated in general. If they are atheist they are fervent about it. If they are religious they are fervent about it. They can preach from sun up til' sun down lol. We like to lecture (philosopher). Aries Sun Sag moon / rising sounds dangerous. People are often too intimidated by Aries to say anything about their rude or offensive behavior and they often don't even notice Sag's taboo or perverse behavior to begin with. So I can only imagine the frustration while observing him lol. Run! Run while you still can hahaha

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
And Sags have to fix stuff by themselves because tbey don't trust people enough to help them. If a Sag doesn't want you to know something - you won't know, and the more you press for it the tighter a vault they become.

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