posted July 03, 2016 07:01 PM              

Born to be Wild is clearly Sag's anthem, "Get your motor runnin'
Head out on the highway
Lookin' for adventure
And whatever comes our way"

Ahhh and omg don't get me started on Billy Idol. He is a Plutonian Sag with Gemini Moon (just like yours truly lol). I think he and I have a lot in common (you know, except whatever bad stuff I may not be aware of lol).

posted July 03, 2016 09:55 PM              

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Originally posted by UnderworldGlory:
I'm surprised nobody here mentioned that Sagittarius's are actually Scorpio's in the Vedic system (unless someone did and I overlooked it?). This could easily explain the darker shades of their personality.

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posted July 03, 2016 11:05 PM              

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Originally posted by ReadingTheStars95:
It's around the late part of 9 Degrees. xD Darkstar Astrology did a good article on it (there's like.. 2-3 pages on it there)

Sagittarius is definitely somewhat elusive in my opinion.. It's always been one of those signs I've had a harder time grasping.

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So...my Sun (11 degrees Sag) is conjunct Antares. It also trines my Jupiter. Guess this explains a lot lol. Thanks for referencing that article. Antares really does seem to play a role. I feel somewhat bad though...seems like such a troublesome aspect.

I was just telling someone last night that Sag sort of escaped me despite it being my own sign. Elusive indeed, but I feel I am understanding it better the more I dig.

posted July 03, 2016 11:17 PM              

I have a love / hate relationship with all my "darkness". On one hand I sort of like being all deep and tortured (I convince myself into thinking it makes me special or something) but then it's like "ok screw this, I'd rather just be normal". I've realized the key is balance. It is obviously there for a reason so it has a purpose, but I am not meant to let it engulf me...b/c then the purpose is lost.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I don´t have much Scorpio, though I have a bit of Pluto.
The Pluto I have is Pluto conjunct MC, square Venus in Cap, and sextile Mars-ASC-Neptune-NN in Sag. That`s about it. Oh and contraparallel Moon.

A lot of Sag, a little bit of Cap (Venus) and Aqua (Moon) and Pisces (Jupiter, but it disposits my Sun, Mercury, Mars, ASC).

But I am a pretty boring Sag, not very dark.

Well my Neptune-NN is very close to Antares, ASC is over 2 degrees off, and maybe I am glad it is.

I think in the analysis of Darkstar they called my Neptune-NN on Antares "spiritual warrior" and mentioned the minor triangle with my Pluto-Pallas-trine.

But anyway, no really dark sides in me (everyone has a shadow of course, but mine is more or less self-oriented).

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posted July 03, 2016 11:41 PM              

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Just to be clear, I thought (and spoke us such) that this thread was about whether or not Sag gets more of a free pass, not if Sag was more evil (though granted, the more a free pass one gets then the more one is inclined to give in to temptation, OTOH, those who make themselves more conscious of their own dark side are generally much more in control of it rather than the dark side erupting from them, hijacking them so to speak).....

....Is Sag inherently worse than other signs? I say, "Of course not." But can they get away with more? That's an interesting question.

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That's exactly what this post is about Pixie and you understand perfectly.

I think this is a perfect time for a PSA to all reading:

It is not my intent to deem Sag as "evil" with this post (just as you cannot deem every Scorpio as evil). You can find dark characters in just about any sign (Caps have Rob Zombie and Marilyn Manson for god's sake lol). However, the melancholy darkness of Cap is always noted. The shadow traits of Scorpio are always noted.

This post aims to analyze the ignored traits of Sag and (perhaps more importantly) the source of this collective overlooking of certain attributes. It has been proven via my examples that many Sag do indeed have an inclination towards the taboo or extreme while conveniently radiating a pleasant yet undeniably mischievous charm. It fascinated me to delve into why the charm and sunny smile is always noted but things that are blatantly off / negative are never mentioned in astrology texts. Sag ppl often reflect the human-beast dynamic to the point of being questionable at best, but nobody mentions it. Are these darker traits being ignored or are they never noticed to begin with? And if so then why? We're taking a deeper look at the sign of Sagittarius and a fresh perspective of what the human-beast symbol really represents.

posted July 04, 2016 12:16 AM            

Good Jupiter!!

oops!!! ?? HOWEVER!! The shadow side crops up in some... This song lists the traits and negative characteristics of an infamous anti-Sagittarian!!

posted July 04, 2016 12:22 AM              

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Originally posted by mirage29:
Sagittarius Time is December... from after Thanksgiving Day (end of November) to a few days before Christmas after Solstice. It is the time of Beauty, Lights, Singing and Carols. The Season of Joy, Good Will, and attitude of Peace towards all. Represents respite, and Hope. Chanukah, Christmas, (Jesus' Birthday celebration), then Yuletime. Kwanza. People feel more generous, gifts are exchanged, parties, family gets together.

Good Jupiter!!

oops!!! ?? HOWEVER!! The shadow side crops up in some... This song lists the traits and negative characteristics of an infamous anti-Sagittarian!!

(music) You're a Mean One, Mr. Grinch! (lyrics) [2:56] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnC3A23AkRQ

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posted July 04, 2016 12:25 AM              

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Originally posted by Gemini30:
Don't forget the infamous Miley Cyrus is a Sagitarrius.

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posted July 04, 2016 01:42 AM              

The odd thing is I don't feel it has much to do with deep feeling...more like a test of their own persuasion. They see themselves as "macks" / "players". With your first fiancée those were definitely mind games. Sag is good at this also. I am really happy you made it out of that situation b/c sadistic couldn't be more accurate. This is going to put me in a bad light, and everyone is probably going to be disgusted, but in the past I have gotten off emotionally from the pain of others (as in guys I've been involved with). I'll have these deep passionate feelings but yet a cold and detached state often rears it's head.

One example is my first love (in the early stages). My Leo was begging me to understand his feelings for me. He was in tears. I felt deeply for him too and I really did want to be with him, but somewhere inside his tears were filling me with a sadistic joy. I liked the control I seemed to have over him. The more control I felt I had, the less concerned I was about his feelings. It was not a consistent thing, it would come and go throughout our time together. Of course in hindsight I'm glad I wasn't all sugar and love to him 24/7, but at the time I honestly had no reason to feel joy from his pain (which is what made it bad).

Its scary but I do feel it is from Sag (great, now all the of Sag folk are going to kill me lol). I have other placements that could be responsible but I'm saying this based on various Sag patterns I've noticed. We do not all go about it the same way (for example I don't lie or make up shocking news), but majority tend to emotionally abuse others nonetheless (whether conscious or not) regardless of the HOW. However, I strongly believe the WHY is very individual and rarely the same for each Sag. For me personally, even when I pine over someone and feel I need them in order for my veins to pulse I still find myself being occasionally sadistic. I feel it's b/c I've never been with anyone I truly felt was THE one. As in I may have loved them to insane degrees but deep down I know they are rotten apples (I have awful taste) that I love beyond sensible reason. So it manifests in a sort of instinctive detachment / sabotage. At least in my case.

posted July 04, 2016 01:46 AM              

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LBC.... You're my new crush!!!
Yes, I was already aware of L.C.'s interesting background. Been a fan for a long time.

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posted July 04, 2016 03:18 AM              

As for the guy you mentioned, it's a well-known thing (or should be by now) that holly-weird is full of molestation and abuse so I think his grandmother really did do that to them. The sad part is that Sag is one of the signs more likely to repeat the behavior to others. They have indulgent and excessive natures. I knew a Sag guy that was raped by his grandfather and ended up doing the same thing to his little sister and brother. I knew another Sag guy who had a prostitute / drug-addict for a mother. He told me that one day he was going to be a pimp (I guess to have the same control over others he witnessed the guy having over his mom). Fast-forward and at the age of 22 he has been arrested for child sex-trafficking.

This is the part of Sag that is once again rarely talked about. There is a very carnal / sub-human nature that can manifest. If for some reason Sag has turned to wickedness they WILL rape your children (or you), psychologically / emotionally abuse others, and harbor grotesque habits of all kinds. More often than not they will still seem harmless to the average person just by disposition alone. Sly, charming, intelligent, and often with an air of innocence to them. You definitely have to be wary.

If they have really gone cuckoo then they will not be very good at defending themselves. At that point whatever evil has gotten hold of them becomes priority and all other faculties are impaired or simply done away with. If you look at the twins I posted you can see that they no longer care about being sexual together in public. Their obsession / addiction to their perversion has become more important than using any sort of mind-warping to hide it. Jupiter expanding their charm / dancing ability is what is really blinding others from it, but they're not hiding anything.

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Originally posted by stillatlarge:
I wondered why nobody brought up Brittany or Anna Nicole. Remember the creepy stuff with her son?
The thing I've noticed about them besides the pass they seem to get is that when they do face judgment i.e., legal trouble or just being found out and punished, they are absolutely clueless how to defend themselves, even when innocent.
He was anything but innocent but my sister's first husband was sexually compulsive and screwed anything that couldn't get away fast enough. He looked like he was from Hollywood too, very polished and good looking. Boundaries didn't exist to him. It could be an infant or 80 yr old nun but they were sexual to him and he would make sexual jokes about them. He had an affair with a 14 yr old student who he brought to the house and she was a part of our lives for years. I know my sister knew what was going on but she pretended she didn't. Her parents finally found and had him blackballed from his occupation and ran him out of town. My sister and the kids left town for a while too. Anyway, he'd grown up in Hollywood and he and his sister were molested by his actress grandmother. Maybe that had something to do with but he was very innappropriate with me and my friends from school when we were still in jr. high and was even violent with me. He told my neice to 'be glad you were fat or I would have raped you'. He died of an HPV cancer. Oh, and the thing about them knowing exactly what your soft spot is is so true. They know EXACTLY what you're most sensitive about and can be sadistic with their insults most of which are in cold blood with no provocation.
Anyway, interesting thread.

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posted July 04, 2016 02:54 PM              

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Originally posted by Selenite:
Lol, yep, we are bad It's no secret...

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Originally posted by UnderworldGlory:
I'm surprised nobody here mentioned that Sagittarius's are actually Scorpio's in the Vedic system (unless someone did and I overlooked it?). This could easily explain the darker shades of their personality.

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In Vedic astrology I am a Scorpio Sun, Scorpio Venus, Scorpio Asc, with Pluto in Scorpio and tons of aspects. It fits pretty well. I think only some Sag will be Scorpio in Vedic Astrology not all (not 100% sure at the moment though).

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
They always seem Scorpionic, and Scorpios seem very sweet and not at all "mysterious" and "dark" like cookie-cutter books say!

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I sort of noticed this too. I've come across plenty of Sag that were strangely observant and reserved with a sly humor. I'm that way but I figured Scorpio Asc did that. Then I've met Scorpio Suns that were nothing like the text-book description. However I just boiled it all down to the Asc of the individual.

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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
Love the thread, and I'm a Sun in Sagittarius.

We are quite wild! Not everyone can stand us! That's what makes us so funny though.

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Thanks! It's weird b/c I never think of myself as wild (I have 5 Cap placements) but when I think about it I've done some pretty exhibitionist type things. In fact I can't even name most of the stuff here hahaha. Yep Sag is to blame for sure

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Originally posted by Gemini30:
Don't forget the infamous Miley Cyrus is a Sagitarrius.

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posted July 04, 2016 04:42 PM            

One thing I've noticed is that when sexual abuse does happen in the home, it's usually more than one person doing it (and in the case of prostitute mothers, plenty of customers and/or pimps will go for the kids as well, even boy kids, which the mother may profit from), and the kids being victimized can start victimizing others (both in and outside the family) while they're still kids. I think it starts a chain reaction, at least if it's whitewashed and brushed under the carpet, but maybe it's more complex than that, like those inclined to see that as normalized end up forming families in the first place.

posted July 04, 2016 06:08 PM              

To address your other statements I honestly believe most molestation takes place in the home, rivaled greatly by schools and activity programs. I know a lot of violated people, many are males. One of them has an 8th house Mars. He was sexually abused by a guy when he was about 7. However, my focus here is on how signs / placements react to abuse / trauma rather than the probability of abuse by placement. Sag can become unsuspectingly devious (the dark side of Sag).

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I guess my time as a runaway on the streets (followed by plenty of time as an adult in PTSD support groups and the like) has jaded me. Sexual abuse and exploitation at both home and on the streets (and how the system exploits it both through legal and corrupt means) is more common than I think most people are aware, and I can't help but instinctively scoff that someone needs a placement (like 8H Mars) to be sexually abused given how common it is. Though perhaps sexual abuse at home isn't as common as it might otherwise be because of all the husbands and daddies paying (or preying on) kids on the street instead of their own kids.

One thing I've noticed is that when sexual abuse does happen in the home, it's usually more than one person doing it (and in the case of prostitute mothers, plenty of customers and/or pimps will go for the kids as well, even boy kids, which the mother may profit from), and the kids being victimized can start victimizing others (both in and outside the family) while they're still kids. I think it starts a chain reaction, at least if it's whitewashed and brushed under the carpet, but maybe it's more complex than that, like those inclined to see that as normalized end up forming families in the first place.

My own family is dysfunctional, but if sexual abuse goes on within it (at least of kids) then I'd be shocked, and that includes by and/or to my 8H Scorpio Mars cousin, or anyone with a Sag sun. That's not to say no one in my family has been sexually abused, only that when it happened it was done by people outside the family (and the family might avenge it). After meeting so many people who have been sexually abused by their own family, I tend to see my own family in a much better light. My mother's side may be screwed up in many ways, but they do get a few things right, like no molesting the kids.

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posted July 04, 2016 06:14 PM              

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
@LittleBlackCat - It could be the ASC and Sun working in tandem, just by sign. I wonder where previous professional astrologers got their descriptions from anyway. Even Vedic ones.

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posted July 04, 2016 06:26 PM              

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Originally posted by LittleBlackCat:
That makes perfect sense to me. Also, I second your question. I think early on a description was seen and astrologers just ran with it without question / study. It reminds me of how most texts also overlook the war-like / militant nature of Cancer. Cancers can be fragile emotionally but most are insanely strong and excellent at fighting / war. I made a thread about Sag b/c their astrological inaccuracies stood out the most and were the most intriguing, but I've noticed super obvious yet overlooked things about all the signs.

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YES! The Cancers I know are all bossy and leaders, whereas me as an Aries is more content to not lead. Make a thread for Cancers (or the rest of the signs)!

posted July 04, 2016 07:31 PM              

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Originally posted by LittleBlackCat:
Why are you so comfortable with this?? In fact...a disturbing number of my Sag kin seem to actually be enjoying the uncovering of our dark qualities. You know what.....nvm lol

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