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Topic: ASC = official birth time
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soren
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posted November 05, 2016 09:47 PM
 
the thread's point wasn't birth certificate time. it was real birth time IP: Logged |
EmGem
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posted November 05, 2016 09:53 PM
According to my originally recorded birth time I should have Uranus conjunct my ascendant. I do NOT relate to this at all. I don't dress far apart from the average person. I'm not eccentric, weird or seen as a freak.That's what made me question it to begin with. IP: Logged |
soren
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posted November 05, 2016 09:57 PM
on my hillary thread on the second picture down on my reply to the original post, there is uranus ascendant conjunctions (minus hillary) by 4 degrees. they are all 4 degrees away from the asc. maybe see if your picture matches IP: Logged |
DopGang
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posted November 05, 2016 10:00 PM
But there's a point at which you are ready to enter the world and the birth process begins.
It's not as if you snap your fingers and there's a baby. Are you "born" when you physically are out of your mother's body or are you "born" when that journey begins? If you live in Minnesota and are vacationing in Miami. Does your vacation begin when you leave Minnesota or when you arrive in Miami? Or maybe in between when you visit uncle Joe in Tennessee. IP: Logged |
soren
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posted November 05, 2016 10:01 PM
imo its when the baby starts using its brain, which is when it opens its eyes and starts looking around at stuffIP: Logged |
DopGang
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posted November 05, 2016 10:05 PM
quote:
Originally posted by soren:
imo its when the baby starts using its brain, which is when it opens its eyes and starts looking around at stuff
I can close my eyes and use my brain.
How do you know when the baby has started using it's brain? Hardly a measure. Some babies are born as early as 23 weeks and live. So what about those that go full term? They don't have brain use at 23 weeks?
People are stuck in the physical. Going strictly by what they see. Surprising on an astrology forum. IP: Logged |
soren
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posted November 05, 2016 10:07 PM
an unborn baby has not been programmed to reality. its been in sleep mode of unconciousness. it does not yet know on a concious "brain" level of what reality is. when it opens its eyes it starts rapidly understanding and adapting to reality. that's not going to happen in the womb. you can't ignore that the brain is what lets us think. and learn. IP: Logged |
DopGang
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posted November 05, 2016 10:11 PM
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Originally posted by soren:
an unborn baby has not been programmed to reality. its been in sleep mode of unconciousness. it does not yet know on a concious "brain" level of what reality is. when it opens its eyes it starts rapidly understanding and adapting to reality. that's not going to happen in the womb. you can't ignore that the brain is what lets us think. and learn.
How do YOU know that?
Are you a neuroscientist specializing in this field? It's just as possible that I'm right as you are.
You don't KNOW this.
You believe this. How do you know that the baby's "readiness" and consciousness isn't what triggers the mother into birth? It's possible. IP: Logged |
soren
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posted November 05, 2016 10:19 PM
i said a baby is unconscious that wasn't the right word. i believe the universe everywhere is conscious. it's all reactionary on a complex way, with metaphysics and entanglement, so everything is conscious. i meant aware, a baby is not yet aware. IP: Logged |
soren
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posted November 05, 2016 10:21 PM
definition of aware- having knowledge or perception of a situation or fact.
"most people are aware of the dangers of sunbathing"
synonyms: conscious of, mindful of, informed about, acquainted with, familiar with, alive to, alert to;
antonyms: ignorant, oblivious
aware- concerned and well-informed about a particular situation or development.
"unless everyone becomes more environmentally aware, catastrophe is inevitable"
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DopGang
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posted November 05, 2016 10:26 PM
I don't buy it, sorry. I'll agree to disagree because frankly I'm pretty tired of this never-ending disagreement. You're not a "fixed" sun are you?
You give me a fixed impression. IP: Logged |
soren
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posted November 05, 2016 10:27 PM
like it says, if you never told someone your garbage was killing fish, maybe on a soul vibration they do know what they are doing. on a conscious aware level, they dont. but when you tell them, they will know. like if you pointed to a volcano and said "lava comes out of there once every couple hundred of years" and then you would be aware. IP: Logged |
DopGang
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posted November 05, 2016 10:29 PM
I'm not buying your argument man.
You can explain it 50 ways. I understand it. I don't believe it to be true. IP: Logged |
soren
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posted November 05, 2016 10:30 PM
you also don't know what the difference between the baby's brain activity 2 minutes before it leaves the womb from when it first opens its eyes and starts looking at its mother. you don't think there would be any changes in its brain activity, like dramatic changes. then i dont think you really know how the brain works. IP: Logged |
DopGang
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posted November 05, 2016 10:34 PM
I'm going to say it ONE MORE TIME.
I understand what you mean. I understand how a brain works.
I DON'T BELIEVE IT TO BE TRUE IN THE CONTEXT OF BIRTH AS IT PERTAINS TO ASTROLOGY. Can you accept that someone can understand what you mean and still disagree? Why is it that I have to not understand in order to disagree? How brilliant do you think you are?
Tone down the ego just a touch. IP: Logged |
soren
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posted November 05, 2016 10:36 PM
so you dont think the brain is the prime influence for our thoughts, feelings, etc. you think that the soul level is working on a equivelent level? that's an interesting belief if so. i like the idea. try doing cocaine or shrooms and see how much it affects your reality. its quite a lot. and its all due to reactions going off in your brain. IP: Logged |
DopGang
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posted November 05, 2016 10:39 PM
Being heavy in 12th.... I feel like I'm aware of my soul and my body being separate. I feel it a lot. But that's another story. I'm out man. IP: Logged |
soren
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posted November 05, 2016 10:50 PM
scientists have captured for the first time light as a particle and also separate (not the same piece) light behaving as a wave in one photograph. science showed us how they look. but what they couldn't do is show us how those particles and waves "feel" ...  (and i'm not referring to how they physically feel if they touch your skin, im talking how it feels to be them. on a soul level, i believe we do feel them. as all is one.) just like we feel mars. that's why it's in our natal chart. we are one, it's energy IP: Logged |
DopGang
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posted November 05, 2016 10:52 PM
Btw - I'd guess you to be aqua or heavy in aqua. I've seen it time and time again. If you disagree with one. You can't possibly disagree unless you're somehow illogical or less intelligent and don't understand. I could be wrong and maybe you don't but you sure act like it. It's too bad I'm not sticking around to watch the show as a flood of aqua come in to insult me.  IP: Logged |
soren
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posted November 05, 2016 10:55 PM
well on an objective perspective. only one of us is right about when the natal begins. so either im wrong, or you are  so i don't think its a far jump for me to say you're wrong about when the natal begins. Edit: sorry i thought you were saying you werent gonna wait for me to keep going and keep insulting you. IP: Logged |
EmGem
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posted November 06, 2016 01:18 AM
quote:
Originally posted by soren:
on my hillary thread on the second picture down on my reply to the original post, there is uranus ascendant conjunctions (minus hillary) by 4 degrees. they are all 4 degrees away from the asc. maybe see if your picture matches
No beady eyes here. I have big ones lol.
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EmGem
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posted November 06, 2016 01:20 AM
And it's 2 degrees away tooIP: Logged |
Suspended_Matter
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posted April 26, 2021 01:40 AM
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Originally posted by Faith:
Hi Electro, Yes. And just seeing the growing trend in significantly altered ASCs got me hoping for a more substantial exploration of it.
The correct and "true" ASC is based on the birth time. The problem occurs when the "wrong birth time" basis is used to calculate a horoscope. There are two births: one is spiritual (Incarnation time) and the other physical. In 97% percent of horoscope delineations, the physical birth time is used when the Incarnation time (or what Edgar Cayce called, Spiritual Birth Time) should be used. To be clear, both the physical birth time and Incarnation time are critically important. In terms of accuracy and forecasts, the Incarnation time is far superior. In terms of significance, however, each has its own unique purpose. The Incarnation time (or spiritual birth time) establishes the energetic nature and temperament of the "mental" & "spiritual" body and reflects the "true astrological basis and signature" of an individual. This occur anywhere between a few minutes to 5-hours before the physical birth time. The Incarnation time denotes the exact microsecond in time in which spirit (the cosmic code) enters the soon-to-be-born child's body. Confusions arise because this can (and usually does) change the ASC by up to two signs back. Even if the physical birth time ASC is correct, it virtually always is at an earlier degree. The truth is all horoscopes must be tested for complete functionality, which virtually never happes since it's automatically assumed that they're correct (via physical birth times). The physical birth, which occurs after the Incarnation time, is equally important because it is the means by which a soul enters this world in a physical body. The purpose serves as an opportunity for a soul to express itself in a physical body and in material world. This is just touching the tip of the iceberg, not just in regard to birth times and ASCs but in regard to astrology in general. Regards,
Shaun ------------------
INCARN Astrologist
https://incarntology.com/ IP: Logged |
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