posted February 18, 2020 01:00 PM            

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I see you deleted your comment. Before psycho analyzing a person's chart, you probably should focus on having the correct information first.

Such as I don't have Saturn in the 3rd. As to the narcissism of Leo/Capricorn combo. A couple points.

The Zodiac is a metaphorical, evolutionary tale telling a story of the selfish, little self (Aries), evolving towards the big, Oneness oriented Self (Pisces).

Capricorn is the 10th Sign, the last of the Earth Signs, the last of the Cardinal Signs, and a Universal/collective Sign. It is not particularly selfish and ego centered i.e. narcissistic in any core or archetypal sense, as a "sign stage".

Leo is the 5th Sign on this journey, and while it is somewhat self centered, it is the first sign out of the personal Sign quadrant of the Zodiac, and it rules the heart.

In reality, the most narcissistic Signs are mid Aries to Cancer, and especially mid Aries to mid Gemini. This is because these are the most little self oriented of the Signs.

However, people are far more than their Zodiac Signs, and Planetary strengths are very important. The most slow vibrational i.e. selfish Planets are Saturn, Mars, Moon, Pluto and Mercury. These have strong correspondence to the 1st three Centers/glands/"chakras" in the body.

The least selfish, fastest vibratory, and the most universal symbols in astrology are Arcturus, Sun, Jupiter, and Neptune (somewhat Uranus, but Uranus flip flops between slow and fast vibratory attunements).

With lovely Venus, firmly in the middle between these two groups, and connects to the 4th Center i.e. the Thymus gland. She is the first of the more "other" focused of the symbols.

Most of my Sign emphasis is on the Universal and interpersonal section of the Zodiac (i.e. Leo through Pisces). I have NO focus on the first 4 Signs, i.e. the personal Signs.

Planetary wise, most of my strongest focus is on the fast vibratory and mid vibratory.

I am well aware of how I sometimes come off as self focused and self important. To self express, speak my truth and speak it loudly and proudly has been an important part of my Dharmic path, as symbolic by North Node in Virgo powerfully cusping Leo and in the 1st House, with the ruler of same, Mercury in the 5th and widely conjunct the Sun, ruler of the chart.

You could say that I was born to be a facilitator and a communicator. To do so in this kind of world, takes a certain amount of self stability, knowing self's worth, valuing self, and stubborness/fixity. However, as I have stated before, if this little self has any wisdom or value, it's not of myself but because I've made a lifelong practice via deep meditation and spiritual attunement in a very holistic mind-body-spirit way to listen to those Sources who are far more wise, aware, Loving, than my little, personality oriented self.

Before I open myself up in meditation, I pray/set an intention of this: "I deeply desire and ask that the Light, Love, wisdom, and power of the Source and the purely Creative Forces surround, guide, protect, fill, and lift me up so that I am the clearest and most loving channel of spiritual awareness and holistic blessings for others that I can be."

This process started for me at age 13, with meditation, conscious self work/help, etc, and I'm now 40. Like my Teacher, I am trying to fit myself as a channel of the divine. When this reaches a certain point, one has to step away from false modesty and take ownership of one's power IF one knows that one's power is not coming from the little self, but from the big self. This is WELL seen in my Teachers life and example, Yeshua. He was not a shrinking, modest wall flower as humans count same. However, he believed and said similar, that any wisdom or positivity he expressed, was not of himself, but because he made himself a channel for the Creator. We all can and SHOULD do this, but it takes definite work, discipline, focus, and a lot of suffering seems to help (and I've been through the ringer).

Granted, my ego is indeed overly involved in this thread and with Hypatia. It's not about her Rising Sign and what it is, it's because I really liked her and thought we were becoming friends and she said something I found very hurtful, and seemed motivated out of spite because I happened to disagree with her opinions/beliefs/perceptions impersonally at first. I find myself digging my heels in, because my emotions have gotten involved. They don't usually, I'm usually quite detached in relation to others. That whole, ruler of the Moon, Venus, being in Aquarius, Angular, and only aspected to the outer planets and the Asc.

For self, it was out of left field, and sincerely hurt. My human ego side got stirred up by this, and I'm being a little Scorpio myself. I shouldn't be, and soon I will not be, but I don't believe in repressing/suppressing the shadow. That often causes more problems than does openly expressing it honestly and sincerely.

But yes, currently you are seeing shadow. It is a wave that is passing through. Meanwhile, I'm also trying to be informative on little known astrological principles/levels. This specialty/focus of astrology is my forte and has been for over 2 decades.

posted February 18, 2020 01:51 PM            

2. i did say i may be misremembering some deets. i feel like you highlighting this is you thinking it invalidates my points, but that may be just me mis-interpreting the situation so if not pay no mind. anyhow, if not Saturn-3, then Saturn-4? that intensifies your Saturnness even more!, since your Strictness is now not only in the sphere of communication/logic/thinking/etc but your whole self at a core(H4)level. if H2, the interp is still valid as H2 is "personal values". anyhow, done interpreting.

posted February 18, 2020 02:05 PM            

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But to answer your question in the subject line, what I see is eyes that very much match Sagittarius and a smile that is more the muscular control of the more reserved Sun in Virgo.

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posted February 18, 2020 10:50 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Kannon, to be rather frank, I do not trust your discernment when it comes to these kinds of issues. You are the same person who says that Edgar Cayce had Cancer Rising, and that Tesla had Aries Rising (when both clearly had Uranus closely conjunct their Asc's).

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You're not required to trust my discernment. Actually, it was master astrologer John Willner who validated a 20° Cancer rising chart for Edgar Cayce and my follow-up work with it several years back agreed. Also, the brilliant astrologer William Stickevers rectified a 28° Cancer rising chart for Cayce.

You would do well to practice what you preach and get all the relevant facts and do in-depth study before you attempt to lecture others.

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I started a thread about this topic and about how Cayce obviously had Leo Rising with Uranus closely conjunct his Asc, and how Tesla had late Taurus Rising closely conjunct Uranus.

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Yes, I saw that and I will participate in that thread as I have time -- and if there is enough interest to suit me. If it is merely an argument for your own gratification I likely will not waste my time. My clients come first and I've been quite busy lately.

posted February 18, 2020 11:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Look at the opposite sign of your ASC and see how you are in relationships. Also, see where the chart ruler is located in what house, and see which chart ruler in what house fits your life purposes best. Where your chart ruler is located determines your life direction and your general outlook of life. For example with Jupiter, chart ruler, in the 12th house - you'd like to help others who feel like victims or sick, and dedicate your carrier to others, very empathetic.
Mine is Neptune in my 9th house and I did move to another continent to live very far from my home land and my life is circulating around spirituality, higher education and foreign cultures.

I have a feeling you are a Saggy rising because you like to move a lot, you have this gypsy lifestyle, restless, free from attachments, your relationships are very diverse ( Gemini on DSC) and you like to be mentally stimulated and mind f*cked (gemini as the other people again)

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posted February 18, 2020 11:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Yes, I saw that and I will participate in that thread as I have time -- and if there is enough interest to suit me. If it is merely an argument for your own gratification I likely will not waste my time. My clients come first and I've been quite busy lately.

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posted February 19, 2020 12:50 AM            

For one good example, in that book I had, he used the infamous "chart" of Planets to gland correspondences that is found in one reading.

When the people who formulated the chart, presumably folks part of the Search for God study group, asked his guidance about it, his guidance responded that it was fairly good, but indicated that it wasn't necessarily accurate all the time.

For one example, they had Neptune down there with the Leyden/ledig cells i.e. the 2nd Center. If we think in color vibratory terms, does the center that primarily corresponds to orange and/or coral pink (actually, in my own work/intuitiveness, I've found it's more coral pink), sound like it resonates to relatively fast vibratory Neptune, which clearly seems to vibrate to colors like lighter bluish violet type shades like lavender?

Not particularly "logical" in an internally consistent way. In reality, the Moon is a much, much better fit, logically and in a holistic way, for the 2nd Center. Or, in other words, the Moon is much slower vibratory than Neptune.

Wtih the exception of the Pineal and Pituitary, the vibratory rates of each Center above the last, is a faster vibratory wavelength. As pointed out by his guidance, with the Pineal and Pituitary it's a bit different, as the Kundalini travels up, it first goes up to the top, to the Pineal, and then spills over into the "golden cup" of the Pituitary which is technically lower than the Pineal.

It's been many years since I have read the book, don't have it anymore, but again, I remember I wasn't particularly impressed.

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You would do well to practice what you preach and get all the relevant facts and do in-depth study before you attempt to lecture others.

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I seem to remember mentioning a number of major and relevant facts over on that thread. When a person is looking at primarily transits, well these rarely ever happen in isolation. There are often multiple contributing factors.

Now, here's the interesting thing. John says 20 and the other guy says 28* Cancer. 8 degrees when it comes to transit and progression timing of major events is a SIGNIFICANT difference--especially considering most major events tend to happen within 5 degrees of exact conjunction, and at most 6 or 7, but that seems pretty rare.

You're not making a sound case here at all, are you in actuality? Which guy is right, Master astrologer number 1, or Brilliant astrologer number 2.???? Can they both be correct at the same time? . So much for in depth rectification techniques.

No, the looks, the synastry, and the goshdarn personality/temperament (!) all has to fit in with the transits/progressions to events as well. Otherwise, one is not practicing due diligence.

I have something far better than "experts" in my corner, a very sharp mind that thinks for itself, and an extremely intuitive chart, backed by many, many verified psychic experiences over many years.

posted February 19, 2020 03:50 AM            

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Thank you for the clarification ULT12. Do you mean something like "bossy pants"? Yeah, there is a little of that in there, but comes out most in the context of forums and little otherwise (well besides my partner and I bossing each other around at times). Mercury rules my 11th House, and is in Capricorn, widely conjunct the Sun, very closely trine Jupiter (which is conjunct Mars ruler of 9th and co ruler of IC) and in the 5th. Like it or not, I'm meant to stick out and facilitate group direction. I'm by nature, more shy and retiring than not though.

Saturn is in the 2nd House, towards the end of same, but not yet cusping into the 3rd. Saturn the Planet, is actually not that strong in my chart. Signs and Planets are not the same thing. One could have say, highlighted Taurus but not strong Venus.

And my Saturn is a more Feminine, Yin attuned one. Neither Cancer nor the Moon are highlighted by themselves. Yet, Saturn rules the Sun and Mercury Signs and co rules Venus and Desc. This means that even though it is not strong in and of itself, it does however become a fairly receptive and sensitive, highlighting symbol in the chart in relation to other energies/symbols.

In self's case, it is conjunct the Libra Moon, which rules the 12th House, is closely sextile Angular Scorp Uranus (ruler of 7th), widely square Sag Neptune (ruler of 8th), and widely trine Cap Sun, and is in Virgo.

This outlines the altering of the basic archetype of my strong Capricorn, or rather the energies that underlie/infuse same. Notice any patterns there? A whole lot of either spiritual, psychic, and/or Yin energies there. Capricorn is also more Yin than Yang itself.

How does this play out in "real life" apart from this forum? IRL, I'm a softer, gentler, more spiritually focused, more intuitive, more creative version of Capricorn. I'm actually fairly passive when it comes to other people (Venus and Pisces South Node in 7th doesn't help). Laid back, accepting, listens more than talks, etc, etc.

Not so bossy pants for the most part. (again, except for with my partner, and that's rather mutual).

Moral of the story (?), don't judge a book by it's cover and by apparent appearances. And so far, there hasn't ever been a box big nor oddly shaped enough to fit over this self. But a number of folks sure do try and try!

* I'm friends with a Scorpio Sun, Cancer Rising, Virgo Moon, Libra stellium Lass with very strong Jupiter and Uranus. She became friends with my partner first. I tried to be friends with her. She pushed me away, apparently because she thought that I was trying to get into her pants or something. Over the next three years, we had occasional, and largely impersonal group interaction. Something eventually changed, and now, 3 years later, I'm one of her closest, most trustworthy and reliable friends. We sometimes tell each other that we love each other (in a platonic way).

Get misjudged and misjudged, and misunderstood all the time. I'm pretty use to it. You seem to be missing all the Piscean like energy there. Angular Pisces South Node, combined with very strong combo of Jupiter and Neptune simultaneously, and as mentioned, some highlighting of the 12th House. More the fish part of the Goat-fish than the goat. (...which might explain the really happy dreams I've had of being in a vast ocean, floating and hanging out with what seemed to be my dolphin friends [at least they looked like dolphins]. I can't even begin to describe how content and happy in these dreams I am. Total peace, total love, total harmony.)

posted February 19, 2020 04:02 AM            

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Actually you been a cap ascendant makes me feel that I am saggy riser bc even though we are both virgos I have always felt you and I are very different and saggy's and cappy's are very different, you are more serious than me.

I appreciate your input. I restrict my smile for photos bc I have very saggy teeth, a lot of space between my teeth and getting braisers as a teen corrected this a lot but then I wouldn't put my retainers on so the gap between my front teeth opened up a bit again. I think the sun in virgo and my venus in leo wants to hide the gap lol.

Throughout my life in person I have been told I have a super warm open amazing smile though, I am just too critical of myself to see it.

I do this only with pictures.

Girl I am not super funny but can be funny but I am often cracking up yes, I laugh a lot and easily, is easy to make me laugh, I do have a good sense of humor and don't get easily offended by joking around. I do worry like a virgo and have a serious side too but I do have sun in virgo, venus conjunct mars in the 8th house and saturn conjunct pluto so there is openness to delve into the dark aspects of life and that is were that seriousness comes from bc life is hard and I know this, I am not in a bubble even though I choose to frame things in a positive way and try to focus on the beauty and good things. But my tendency is to want to joke around or chill.

I am 5'6 so I am not short or tall, medium height.

The weight thing that is the thing that puzzles me the most and really the only thing that makes me doubt my saggy rising status, I was underweight until my mid 20s, I had awful appetite and then started to put on weight in my mid 20s and since I do have to be careful, in my early 30s I put on like 20 pounds and did not even notice it was happening and then I lost like 15 of it by going to the gym often and watching my proportions. I have kept most of it off.

However, I feel having Sun in Virgo leans towards been slender specially when close to an angle and it squaring my AC so I feel that it can be explained by that too.

I am not stern and serious at work, I joke with my clients and had a client say that what he likes about me is how real/authentic I am. With my team I put on more of a professional front but over time relax more as I feel I can be more myself but is professional setting so the need to be more mindful is inevitable. I am very hard working, I usually have the biggest case load bc I don't like turning people away but am getting better at that. However, people do not assume I am in charge in situations, I am kind of busy been busy and supervisors don't tend to put me in charge but I have never had the desire to be in charge or develop those type of skills until maybe as of late as I would like to give back more and do some clinical supervision but still not be in charge truly lol. Virgos are very responsible and hard working and my sun conjuncts the MC so I have some cappy traits just bc of that.

I am the type that when in public I feel people are a bit closed off and uptight, don't make eye contact to each other or smile at each other and god forbid some strangers chit chat and I feel we should be more friendly in this world, maybe is the saggy riser or bc I am dominican from an island and the US is different. I feel growing up I was more friendly, the type to smile at strangers and still do that sometimes but overall have noticed the world is not friendly like that so have decided to blend in more behaviorally with everyone else and don't seem as open and approachable as I use to be when younger.

You have asked great questions! Thank you.

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posted February 19, 2020 04:24 AM            

Wait for it....

I actually have Sagittarius Rising also!!!!! Or at least, powerful Sagittarius.

Umm, I only have Neptune in Sagittarius you say?! Get away LIAR!!!

This is what happens when people do not synthesize the whole chart thoroughly enough:

Jupiter in it's own Sign, highlights both Jupiter and Sagittarius moderately. Early Cap Rising would highlight Sagittarius some via cusping. Uranus quite likely being the co-ruler of Capricorn, and it being in Sagittarius closely conjunct Jupiter would again highlight both Sagittarius and Jupiter.
That's quite a bit of highlighting of Sagittarius and/or Jupiter when all factors are added up in toto.

Again, creating in effect, a super hybrid between the two. Sagittarius would actually feel a bit stronger in an internal way than Capricorn, because it would also have the backing of highlighted Jupiter at the same time. Strong Jupiter plus strong Sagittarius outweighs just strong Capricorn by itself. However, the look would be more Capricorn than Sag.

posted February 19, 2020 04:58 AM            

They have some definite similarities. Main difference between is that Neptune is more Yin than Yang, and more passive than Jupiter which is a bit more Yang than Yin and a bit more active than Neptune. It's the mystic vs the philosopher. The two can and do overlap sometimes.

But otherwise, they have definite similarities despite their differences.

What Planet would be very strong, no matter whether the person in question has late Sag or early Cap Rising? Neptune.

Now add Neptune plus the strongly highlighted Jupiter and Sagittarius combo...

Now we see that internally, that this starts to outweigh and outweigh Capricorn. So rather than being all dark blue, there is a lot of purple passion going on in this chart. A LOT, especially when you also add in Pisces Moon.

This is the holistic synthesis of a more whole chart. This is seeing both the forest and the individual trees at the same time. It's the most challenging part about reading a chart. It either takes a lot of constant practice, or bringing over developed skills from other lives which now look like "talent" in this life because it comes easy and natural. (having not seen all the actual practice and focus that originally went in to make it possible).

As to my "Sagittarius like" nature as outlined earlier, despite severely lacking Sagittarius. Well, it's mainly due to the combo of having Jupiter very highlighted, the ruler of my 9th conjunct Jupiter, Leo Rising with the chart ruler trine Jupiter Mars conjunction, etc.

But I certainly don't look strongly Jupitarian. I look extremely Leo with a hint of Venus and Aquarius from the widish opposition to the Asc. Jupiter is not close enough in aspect to my Sun/chart ruler to shade in that way strongly. Mars is closer, and a bit more related to that. Leo combined with some Mars shading in, equals someone who builds muscle very easily and is innately athletic, which are both true. Always have been unusually and surprisingly strong for my size, and have more muscle than I should considering how little I work out.

It's all a more internal thing as far as the Jupiter part goes though, despite it retrograding back into my 1st House.

But goodness, I'm also a Cap Sun and Merc. Aren't suppose to be all dour and serious all the time? Aren't we suppose to be quiet, reticent, and reserved and not talk much about ourselves for fear of people finding our weaknesses and secrets, etc, etc. Obsessed with career? Obsessed with status?

posted February 19, 2020 12:54 PM            

Do you have either Jupiter or Saturn in their Libra duad?

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@Hypatia

Do you have either Jupiter or Saturn in their Libra duad?

You can find a duad table in Alice Portman website http://aliceportman.com/your-career-in-your-natal-chart/duad-table-5/

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I have Saturn in the DUAD of Sagittarius

I have Jupiter conjunct Uranus in the DUAD of Aquarius

posted February 19, 2020 04:47 PM            

Dearest (my name),

The past four years at (were I work) have been such an amazing journey to share with you! I will miss seeing you and your SPUNK and I will so miss hearing your laugh! Much love (her name)

At the back of the card it reads:
"because of your smile, you make life more beautiful."

I do smile widely and openly in person...but yes this card screams Saggy rising with jupiter conjunct uranus in saggy lol I get a lot of comments by my team that are in line with saggy rising about my warmth and positive energy and smile/laughter etc

I feel at work I very much show my Saggy rising with MC in libra.

posted February 20, 2020 12:53 AM            

Personality is notoriously subjective, which is one of the rightful criticisms of astrology by skeptics. And, we can change personality more easily than most other things via our spiritual will. That, and we have so many different factors and variables in our charts. It can be hard to sort which patterns are contributing to which at times. Full charts, like people, tend to be complex and multi layered.

But, things like genetics, Soul contracts with others, etc are harder to change. There are a few important, "smoking guns" which powerfully argues against Sag Rising and for Capricorn.

1. Sag is the tallest Rising Sign in the archetypal sense. This can be offset by certain factors like Saturn and South Node. Furthermore Jupiter is one of the tallest/biggest Planets in relation to the Asc and looks. My partner has Capricorn Rising, and is not only tall for a female Cap Rising, but tall in general at a bit under 5' 10". Mainly correlated with ruling Planet, Saturn in Libra and conjunct Libra Jupiter within minutes.

Uranus is also one of the tallest Asc correlating symbols as well.

If she just had Sag Rising alone, I would say, "ok, maybe she does have Sag Rising and the Cap cusping is cutter her down to size some. If she had Sag Rising with Jupiter in Sagittarius, I would be becoming much more skeptical. Not just Sag Rising, but also the chart ruler in same? Yeah, very unlikely to be average height.

But on top of all that, the Rising ruler, Jupiter in Sagittarius is closely conjunct Uranus! Good lord, this outlines like around 6 foot or taller for a female i.e. very unusual height.

It is sheer subjective, delusional belief only that can argue against just this one smoking gun. It reminds me of folks saying things like D.T. is a good leader. In what reality? Yet there are many who say things like this. Aren't human beings amazing creatures?

Smoking gun 2. Her husband has Cancer Moon. She has nothing else in her chart that goes strongly with same, but if she had Cap Rising that would make a lot of sense.

3. Her strong Scorpio/Pluto background energy, and attraction to those with these strong. Doesn't make sense otherwise. But sure does make sense if her main chart ruler is Saturn in early Scorpio closely conjunct late Libra Pluto--that's a pretty good dose of both Scorp and Pluto shading in, and supports a larger pattern of also having 8th House emphasis. And wouldn't you know it, but Scorpio and Libra are the signs that are most strongly drawn to psychology. Hmmm, didn't she major in psychology and doesn't she do same for a living?

It, along with 8th House Venus Mars conjunction in Leo also correlates well with her above average sexual focus in that Scorpio, urge to merge kind of way.

Some folks like to deal more in objective facts, evidence, logic, and some folks like to deal in Neptunian--believe in whatever makes me most happy or is most convenient.

In our charts, what Sign Jupiter is placed in, well we tend to really like that Sign, and almost put it on a pedestal. Jupiter is one of the most "feel good" symbols and areas of the chart. It's natural to want to be associated even more strongly with the Sign that Jupiter is highlighting, because we tend to like it so much and see so much good in it (not so much if we also have Saturn, Mars, etc in that sign).

Bet none of y'all even considered this factor/variable, did you?

posted February 20, 2020 01:05 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
My supervisor is leaving our center and she gave me a card today stating:

Dearest (my name),

The past four years at (were I work) have been such an amazing journey to share with you! I will miss seeing you and your SPUNK and I will so miss hearing your laugh! Much love (her name)

At the back of the card it reads:
"because of your smile, you make life more beautiful."

I do smile widely and openly in person...but yes this card screams Saggy rising with jupiter conjunct uranus in saggy lol I get a lot of comments by my team that are in line with saggy rising about my warmth and positive energy and smile/laughter etc

I feel at work I very much show my Saggy rising with MC in libra.

I want to thank everyone for all your feedback and support with this! Bless your hearts! Hugs.

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posted February 20, 2020 08:00 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I have Saturn in the DUAD of Sagittarius

I have Jupiter conjunct Uranus in the DUAD of Aquarius

But I do have Sun in Virgo conjunct my MC in LIBRA.

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I think since you do not know your AC for sure, you also may not be sure about whether your sun is in the 9th or the 10.

Unless your father has had some prominent government job or was/is an important or famous person in his work field, a key decision-maker with a lot of costumers/people coming to him everyday, I doubt your sun is in the 10th or conjucnt the MC. I speak out of the experience, because I do have natal sun in the 10th (not conjunct MC) and I fit all those textbook definitions of sun in the 10th.

If I had to guess based on your picture alone, I would say capricorn, especially because I do sense an aura of conservativeness, personal reservedness and patience about you.

What are the degrees and signs of your saturn and jupiter?

posted February 20, 2020 09:44 AM            

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I think since you do not know your AC for sure, you also may not be sure about whether your sun is in the 9th or the 10.

Unless your father has had some prominent government job or was/is an important or famous person in his work field, a key decision-maker with a lot of costumers/people coming to him everyday, I doubt your sun is in the 10th or conjucnt the MC. I speak out of the experience, because I do have natal sun in the 10th (not conjunct MC) and I fit all those textbook definitions of sun in the 10th.

If I had to guess based on your picture alone, I would say capricorn, especially because I do sense an aura of conservativeness, personal reservedness and patience about you.

What are the degrees and signs of your saturn and jupiter?

Aside from their duad, also check which duad no. they fall into (the right column). Does any of them, saturn or jupiter fall in the 7th? If any of them does, chances are high that that planet is your chart (AC) ruler.

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I do know for sure I was born at noon without a trace of a doubt based on my time of birth in my birth certificate and the time my mother reports I was born.

For me to be a Cappy riser I would have to be born at 1:15 pm.

My father is a capricorn with moon in Virgo and I look exactly like him, for me to have sun conjunct MC fits with that. My mother was the director of her department in a hospital and started an organization for kids with congenital diseases that is still active now, she has done multiple medical missions world wide, she was in a radio show with a famous pastor for a while, she has written her own boook, she is quite driven and also a capricorn, my dad had his own tv show about politics with his friend for a while too so sun conjunct MC describes my parents well.

Thanks for your support but I dont have a doubt I have Saggitarius rising.

posted February 20, 2020 11:47 AM            

I think seeing pictures of when I was young will help..

I do have venus conjunt mars in the 8H trine my AC and am a virgo sun, this is enough to be give a serious side I feel, my mother always said I was very intense and I get that intense I am going to kill you look in my eyes when I am angry, with mars in LEO the 8th trine the AC I can see how that is the case though...