posted February 17, 2020 12:58 AM            

Can Virgo traits show up in how I look because the SUN in Virgo squares my AC and is close to my MC? Since the MC rules our bone structure can my Sun in Virgo near the MC squaring my AC influence my bone structure and explain why I was lanky when I was teenager?

People in person often think I am a libra, I have MC in libra with Virgo at 28 degrees and Pluto in libra in the 10H although towards the end of the 10H. I find this odd but there is a pattern of people guessing I am a Libra in person.

Is it possible that my earthy vibe is not bc I have sun in virgo squaring my AC and bc I have my rising sign wrong and I am actually a capricorn riser?

I should add I have a ton of hair and often ask the hairdresser to use this special scissor in order to thin out my hair essentially. My hair is curly but is more like wavy curly. My skin tone is not olive is more like yellow based, my mother took a class on this and she made it clear that my skin tone is yellow based while hers is more olive rose. She said based on skin stone spring colors look good on me. I use to have super thick eye brows when I was in my pre-teen years too. I have a gap in my front teeth.

posted February 17, 2020 01:06 AM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
I'd have to think about it but nice pic.

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posted February 17, 2020 01:10 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Thank you, take your time getting back to me.

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posted February 17, 2020 01:14 AM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
Hair is hot, coming from a Leo. You should let it grow.

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posted February 17, 2020 04:12 AM            

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Originally posted by ULT12:
long face = "horse" face = Sag

Caps tend to have small skulls/"short" faces

Venus has a super big effect on the face, though.
perhaps this is why your face isnt skinny-long like "horse face" sounds (you = Leo Venus; Leo = fixed sign = wide).

mutable = long, skinny, skinny-long
fixed = wide
cardinal = short/small, often diamond, sometimes "square-looking" if they have a full/proportional jaw due to short skull

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Interesting. I do have venus conjunct mars in leo in the 8th trine AC in Sag very tight. My AC in sag should be between 23-26 degrees, venus in leo is at 23d52, Mars in Leo at 24d49.

posted February 17, 2020 06:52 AM            

The transit of Mars just entered Cap and is now at 0 Degrees. I felt a surge in energy because of it conjunct my Sun in Sag 29 tightly.

It is also entering the 10th house(whole sign system).So today I made advances towards securing employment(10th)

On your side however I noticed that prior to that,the assertion of your opinions on your posts was heightened.

I don't know if you noticed? But there was more "matter of fact" tone about them & not backing off. More vocal than usual.

GalacticCoreExplosion was ofcourse the point of venting this and perhaps the catalyst? But Mars was already swirling in your 1st house (If Sag is rising as earlier thought)

If Mars was in 12th,my thinking is that there would have been more suppression and keeping it all in you & biting your tongue (even as you disagree).

Mars in 1st house angle would not let you back off. And also motivated you to "engage" etc. Mars in 12th promotes indifference or atleast "passive aggressiveness". Not all out confrontation.

Now also consider that trans Mars has been squaring your natal Sun.It now sits on your Mc by square.

For the past few days,YOU have been the hot topic with your Asc placement being the focal point. And I find it telling that the issue was concerning identity (Sun related). As this is where your Mc is.

posted February 17, 2020 07:30 AM            

Are you short or tall? I would think Sag ASC would be inclined to be a lot taller and maybe more predisposed to weight gain or being curvy while Cap would probably stay the same weight or tend towards being thin/lean.

How is your personality when you're out in public? Are you quite, serious, observant, but direct when approached? Do others tend to assume that you're in charge in situations??
Do your bosses/supervisors tend to put you in charge or give you promotions before others? Are you a workaholic? Are you stern and serious at work? Do you feel like you're much older than you really are? Do you come off as the serious, mature, responsible one in your circle of friends? If so, you're likely a Cap ASC.

Not to say that Cap ASC can't be funny, but we're pretty dry with our humor. If you're the class clown and love to crack up, then you're probably Sag. If you're light hearted, open, passionate, and social...you're probably a Sag ASC. I'm sure there might be a few Cap ASC that fit this description but it would be exceedingly rare.

posted February 17, 2020 08:46 AM            

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Originally posted by kani:
Cap usually has a more angled face, it seems sharper.

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posted February 17, 2020 11:04 AM            

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Originally posted by athenaia:
You're so pretty! For some reason Sag energy jumped out straight away for me

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posted February 17, 2020 11:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
100% Cappy

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posted February 17, 2020 11:28 AM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
This may sound weird, but you smile like a Cap ASC (but also like a Virgo). I have Cap ASC and I have a similar subtle, nice smile. We tend to not show our teeth and not over-do it. I usually don't smile in a lot of photos but when I do, I feel like I'm faking it and end up having a subtle smile.
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Some people give completely different vibes when they’re smiling. So it’s hard to guess from this picture.
However, the picture is cute. My first impression was Saggy energy. Later, I saw more serious vibes, but it could be your Virgo. I stick with Saggy for now.

posted February 17, 2020 12:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Hey Hypatia238,

The transit of Mars just entered Cap and is now at 0 Degrees. I felt a surge in energy because of it conjunct my Sun in Sag 29 tightly.

It is also entering the 10th house(whole sign system).So today I made advances towards securing employment(10th)

On your side however I noticed that prior to that,the assertion of your opinions on your posts was heightened.

I don't know if you noticed? But there was more "matter of fact" tone about them & not backing off. More vocal than usual.

GalacticCoreExplosion was ofcourse the point of venting this and perhaps the catalyst? But Mars was already swirling in your 1st house (If Sag is rising as earlier thought)

If Mars was in 12th,my thinking is that there would have been more suppression and keeping it all in you & biting your tongue (even as you disagree).

Mars in 1st house angle would not let you back off. And also motivated you to "engage" etc. Mars in 12th promotes indifference or atleast "passive aggressiveness". Not all out confrontation.

Now also consider that trans Mars has been squaring your natal Sun.It now sits on your Mc by square.

For the past few days,YOU have been the hot topic with your Asc placement being the focal point. And I find it telling that the issue was concerning identity (Sun related). As this is where your Mc is.

Just a little something that I noted whilst reading the posts

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I will no longer be responding to Hypatia about this issue, but I'm kind of at the "I just don't give a shite" point right now.

Here's the thing, I postulated that her Asc is likely 0 to 1 degrees Capricorn, with Sag Neptune conjuncting same. Hence, Neptune is quite powerful/highlighted, and with a combo of the close cusping and a Sag planet conjunct the Asc, then Sagittarius is getting more highlighted as well. It's not a simple case of Sagittarius vs Capricorn.

Hence, your points about Mars just entering Cap, do relate, but not in the way that you seem to be saying. When a Planet gets closest to the Angle, then one REALLY notices the energy, and whoo boy, I'm definitely noticing it being on the receiving end. Isn't it funny that T. Mars is currently closely squaring my Libra Moon. Yeah, real "funny" and coincidental that one...

But here are some indisputable facts that most serious astrologers would agree with.

1. Sagittarius is in an archetyal sense, the tallest of the Rising Signs. Everything about them is unusually long (well maybe not everything), from their face, to their legs, etc. Women often have unusually wide hips and pronounced butts. Hmm, just so happens to be a couple of the parts that it rules.

2. in Caucasians, Sagittarius Rising, in an archeytpal sense, and if not powerfully counter balanced by Planets like Saturn, or a Planet in Earth Sign in strong aspect, tend towards a lighter to lighter medium type complexion. Celtic and Germanic ancestry is quite common. Light brown chestnut or auburn hair is not uncommon i.e. some bit of red shading in with lighter to medium brown dominating, but not the golden red of Leo or the Sun, nor the fiery, ginger potential of Aries/and or Mars under ideal conditions. But, they all be Fire signs, and wouldn't you know, in Caucasians, some bit of red is not uncommon.

3. Capricorn Rising on the other hand, is short to the shorter side of average in an archetypal sense. This can be counter balanced by strong Sun, Jupiter, Uranus, North Node, Mercury, Sagittarius, etc shading in or connecting to the Rising and/or it's ruler. My Spouse has Capricorn Rising and she's a bit under 5' 10". However, her ruling Planet is in Libra and conjunct Jupiter within seconds. Her Asc is cusping Aquarius, and 10th House Uranus is sextile her Asc degree. But, she has medium-light brown hair, warm brown eyes, and can tan hellaz a lot better than my freckly, reddish beared, Leo Rising Celtic arse.

4. Capricorn is in an archetypal sense, a darker/more pigmented Rising Sign. Relative to their ethnicity and/or family background, they are often at least medium to darker toned hair, eyes, skin, etc. At the very least, they can tan quite well, and in Caucasians, they often have more "Mediterranean like" to Semitic type background. This can be offset/counter balanced by very strong Sun, Moon, Mars, and Jupiter some. These are known to correlate to a "lightening" up a Rising some. Least of all Mars though. Sun and Moon ESPECIALLY. Sun inclining towards a very Celtic look, and Moon to a more pale Saxon-Germanic or Slavic type skin tone (but dark hair is not uncommon--sort of the classic witchy women look in females).

5. We are most likely not dealing with a clear cut case of a pure Rising Sign here, but one of strong cusping/blending. Hence, it's going to be more complicated. The question is not, does she look Sagittarius or Capricorn, but which one does she look MORE like.

The average height alone, especially considering Jupiter is in Sagittarius and closely conjunct Sag Uranus, POWERFULLY argues against technical Sag Rising.

6. I have literally been researching and studying this particular branch of astrology for over two full decades. I know my shite. Feel free to disagree, but please folks, do it with sound holistic logic where ALL the various different factors line up and make sense. I am tired of b.s. and EGO's (i.e. strong Mars and Pluto) getting in the way of truth.

Cause frankly, I'm not seeing the holistic logic and accuracy. Yes, I know, I'm arrogant, condescending, blah blah blah, cause I like accuracy, facts, objectivity, and truth. Nothing worse than a scientist (Capricorn, Mercury, Virgo, Aquarius) and philosopher (Jupiter, highlighted 9th, Pisces, etc) rolled into one. It's like the worst of both worlds... apparently, or so I keep hearing.

The gloves are off beeyatches. Put up, or shut up. The gauntlet is ON.

(Hopefully this is also amusing and entertaining as well as informative. Leo Risings are kind of known for a certain theatrical, dramatic flair....)

But more seriously, if I'm to be honest. I was sincerely and deeply hurt and upset by someone's post to me on another thread. This is why I don't trust people or let them get close normally. Because I often end up getting betrayed, disappointed in some way.

Why, because we've been talking more personally via another venue and I thought we were developing a friendship. But I see that I was very off about that. I have no interest in false friends that resent and are petty and vindictive towards me, just because I impersonally disagreed with their beliefs/perceptions, was trying to help them see a rather complicated subject more clearly, and that bothered their overinflated ego, which is shown well by a combo of T. Mars exactly conjunct their Asc, and their ruling Planet, Saturn in Scorpio closely conjunct Pluto. That's a LOT of EGO, and more than all this Jupiter I'm experiencing currently and natally. Jupiter often seems more egotistical than it really is, because it's very open, honest, direct, and sincere.

posted February 17, 2020 01:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Hey Hypatia238,

The transit of Mars just entered Cap and is now at 0 Degrees. I felt a surge in energy because of it conjunct my Sun in Sag 29 tightly.

It is also entering the 10th house(whole sign system).So today I made advances towards securing employment(10th)

On your side however I noticed that prior to that,the assertion of your opinions on your posts was heightened.

I don't know if you noticed? But there was more "matter of fact" tone about them & not backing off. More vocal than usual.

GalacticCoreExplosion was ofcourse the point of venting this and perhaps the catalyst? But Mars was already swirling in your 1st house (If Sag is rising as earlier thought)

If Mars was in 12th,my thinking is that there would have been more suppression and keeping it all in you & biting your tongue (even as you disagree).

Mars in 1st house angle would not let you back off. And also motivated you to "engage" etc. Mars in 12th promotes indifference or atleast "passive aggressiveness". Not all out confrontation.

Now also consider that trans Mars has been squaring your natal Sun.It now sits on your Mc by square.

For the past few days,YOU have been the hot topic with your Asc placement being the focal point. And I find it telling that the issue was concerning identity (Sun related). As this is where your Mc is.

Just a little something that I noted whilst reading the posts

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Those are really good observations! I feel a lot calmer this week but when Transit Mars was in Saggy at 24 degrees (feb 7) which would conjunct exact my AC I got into a HUGE fight with my husband while tr venus entered aries point which would also conjunct my IC and after it has been separating my AC I been feeling calmer but have continued to assert myself. I joined the gym too while transit mars in saggy was conjuncting my AC.

I have uranus ruling my 3H conjunct my chart ruler Juupiter in the 12H and I despise it when I feel anyone is trying to control my mind and push how they think unto me, I cannot stress enough how much I value intellectual freedom to think how I want, explore whatever I want and come to my own freak*ng conclusions. Also as a virgo I also respect a lot humility (in spite of the leo stuff, sun dominates) and don't like people with messiah complexes either who are here to teach everyone but not learn anything from others bc they know so much and know it all.

I feel you have this combination of objectivity, clarity and intuition that I love put you are also humble and not pushy, its easy to talk with you and I have never felt controlled by you or like you are trying to control how I think ever, and I thank you for that, is such a nice quality you have. You share your wisdom but you don't have a big ego and you are not pushy or controlling and even though you have such a wealth of knowledge to share with this community you also are open to learning from others no matter who they are. Everyone here appreciates you for this.

posted February 17, 2020 01:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries Eagle:
They should make a new sign for all that goodness Hypatia!

I see strong Mutable energy with a nice person vibe like Libra, so MC in Libra conjunct Sun is very likely.

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posted February 17, 2020 02:29 PM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
This may sound weird, but you smile like a Cap ASC (but also like a Virgo). I have Cap ASC and I have a similar subtle, nice smile. We tend to not show our teeth and not over-do it. I usually don't smile in a lot of photos but when I do, I feel like I'm faking it and end up having a subtle smile. Your eyes are serious, but sweet in appearance. You do have a long face, and mine is shorter/more compact, but there could be other aspects influencing that or even genetics.

Are you short or tall? I would think Sag ASC would be inclined to be a lot taller and maybe more predisposed to weight gain or being curvy while Cap would probably stay the same weight or tend towards being thin/lean.

How is your personality when you're out in public? Are you quite, serious, observant, but direct when approached? Do others tend to assume that you're in charge in situations??
Do your bosses/supervisors tend to put you in charge or give you promotions before others? Are you a workaholic? Are you stern and serious at work? Do you feel like you're much older than you really are? Do you come off as the serious, mature, responsible one in your circle of friends? If so, you're likely a Cap ASC.

Not to say that Cap ASC can't be funny, but we're pretty dry with our humor. If you're the class clown and love to crack up, then you're probably Sag. If you're light hearted, open, passionate, and social...you're probably a Sag ASC. I'm sure there might be a few Cap ASC that fit this description but it would be exceedingly rare.

Either is likely, tbh, especially since you are a Virgo and are going to appear earthy in appearance anyway. It really comes down to your personality and which ASC you feel fits you best.

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Actually you been a cap ascendant makes me feel that I am saggy riser bc even though we are both virgos I have always felt you and I are very different and saggy's and cappy's are very different, you are more serious than me.

I appreciate your input. I restrict my smile for photos bc I have very saggy teeth, a lot of space between my teeth and getting braisers as a teen corrected this a lot but then I wouldn't put my retainers on so the gap between my front teeth opened up a bit again. I think the sun in virgo and my venus in leo wants to hide the gap lol.

Throughout my life in person I have been told I have a super warm open amazing smile though, I am just too critical of myself to see it.

I do this only with pictures.

Girl I am not super funny but can be funny but I am often cracking up yes, I laugh a lot and easily, is easy to make me laugh, I do have a good sense of humor and don't get easily offended by joking around. I do worry like a virgo and have a serious side too but I do have sun in virgo, venus conjunct mars in the 8th house and saturn conjunct pluto so there is openness to delve into the dark aspects of life and that is were that seriousness comes from bc life is hard and I know this, I am not in a bubble even though I choose to frame things in a positive way and try to focus on the beauty and good things. But my tendency is to want to joke around or chill.

I am 5'6 so I am not short or tall, medium height.

The weight thing that is the thing that puzzles me the most and really the only thing that makes me doubt my saggy rising status, I was underweight until my mid 20s, I had awful appetite and then started to put on weight in my mid 20s and since I do have to be careful, in my early 30s I put on like 20 pounds and did not even notice it was happening and then I lost like 15 of it by going to the gym often and watching my proportions. I have kept most of it off.

However, I feel having Sun in Virgo leans towards been slender specially when close to an angle and it squaring my AC so I feel that it can be explained by that too.

I am not stern and serious at work, I joke with my clients and had a client say that what he likes about me is how real/authentic I am. With my team I put on more of a professional front but over time relax more as I feel I can be more myself but is professional setting so the need to be more mindful is inevitable. I am very hard working, I usually have the biggest case load bc I don't like turning people away but am getting better at that. However, people do not assume I am in charge in situations, I am kind of busy been busy and supervisors don't tend to put me in charge but I have never had the desire to be in charge or develop those type of skills until maybe as of late as I would like to give back more and do some clinical supervision but still not be in charge truly lol. Virgos are very responsible and hard working and my sun conjuncts the MC so I have some cappy traits just bc of that.

I am the type that when in public I feel people are a bit closed off and uptight, don't make eye contact to each other or smile at each other and god forbid some strangers chit chat and I feel we should be more friendly in this world, maybe is the saggy riser or bc I am dominican from an island and the US is different. I feel growing up I was more friendly, the type to smile at strangers and still do that sometimes but overall have noticed the world is not friendly like that so have decided to blend in more behaviorally with everyone else and don't seem as open and approachable as I use to be when younger.

posted February 17, 2020 02:46 PM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:

Either is likely, tbh, especially since you are a Virgo and are going to appear earthy in appearance anyway. It really comes down to your personality and which ASC you feel fits you best.

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