posted March 31, 2020 05:51 PM            

Anyhow, is it possible for Jupiter to be in H11 while still ASC-Sag?

The reason I ask is because I would be surprised if it/your ASC Ruler wasn't in H11. I read my favorite Vedic site, and all over both those descriptions is words like "activist, social network/humanitarian missionary" etc (links below). Also, it's quite surprising what you said about your politics too - being libertarian but professing conservative(!) views - read the Saturn-10 page and you'll see it fits like the best glove in the world.

- ASC RULER-11: http://barbarapijan.com/bpa/Bhava/1tanu_L1_in_12_domains.htm (scroll down to Bhava-11 part, no direct link avail)
- Jupiter-11: http://barbarapijan.com/bpa/Graha/Guru/Guru_bhava11.htm (also: http://i.imgur.com/w7Tl7it.png)

Saturn-10: http://barbarapijan.com/bpa/Graha/Shani/Shani_bhava10.htm (tldr relevance: 'fear of the government/'societal laws/order', but adherance to it beccuse Saturn is a scaredy-kat so is an up-keeper not a ground-breaker')

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posted March 31, 2020 06:33 PM            

I don't fear the government, Saturn chart ruler would have never broken the law like I did bc it fears the consequences and respects rules, this is more in line with Jupiter conjunct Uranus in the 12H ruling my chart and me been lucky enough to get away with something pretty big is in line with this too.

I want the power of the government to be kept in check and limited and for them to fear the people, PLUTO is in my 10H and conjuncts my Saturn in the 11H cusp and PLUTO rules my 11H and what I just said fits that perfectly.

You are not trying to see how my chart already fits me.

I should add I live in the mountains which fits Jupiter in the 12h, I immigrated from the Dominican Republic and ended up in Colorado which fits also Jupiter in the 12H.

posted April 07, 2020 02:21 AM            

Hi. Sorry for the delay, my PC died after I had a power surge on the 31st.

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You are not trying to see how my chart already fits me.

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Nah. Since there is some uncertainty re: your Chart, I was exploring various possibilities.

Mountains/Jup-12: If "mountains" means "isolated/quiet", that totally fits ASCRuler-12 IMO. Like I said, I don't know your life story, but what I did know from 3rd-party-observing, Jup-11 fit but Jup-12 didn't. On that subject, Sag is "global" and humanitarian, plus with the -exact- ASCRuler-conj-Uranus, perhaps that account's for why Jup-11 is a very good fit.

Saturn: I'm confused here still. Living an isolated place could be argued to fit Saturn-11, but I saw your latest-posted Chart in the supermoon thread and Saturn is now H10. IIRC your TOB didn't change(same ASC degree), but somehow your Houses are diff. Wot?

Anyway, it sounds like you are using a non-BCBR time. What made you decide on 24Sag for ASC? What's your BCBR time, and what your Mom says - can you post those Charts?

posted April 07, 2020 11:52 AM            

I am intense and with Saggy at 24 degrees I have venus conjunct mars in leo in the 8th trine my AC.

posted April 07, 2020 01:07 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Do you see in me more saturn in scorpio conjunct pluto in libra? Or Jupiter conjunct Uranus in Saggitarius?

I am intense and with Saggy at 24 degrees I have venus conjunct mars in leo in the 8th trine my AC.

The other option is that I have Saturn in scorpio ruling my chart.

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posted April 07, 2020 01:34 PM            

Sagittarius Rising, Jupiter conjunct Uranus in Sagittarius, 12:48PM:

posted April 07, 2020 02:00 PM            

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Originally posted by kani:

Definitely more saturn in scorpio conjunct pluto in libra.

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Maybe Neptune in Saggy conjunct my AC in cappy at aries point would relax a lot the capricorn qualities making it harder for me to identify with them and making it so I identify with Saggy more, add Neptune in Saggy forms a T-square with my luminaries so something about neptune in Saggy on the Galactic Center been near the AC may be hiding my cappy qualities more from myself and others bc I do identify with scorpio a lot, I thought I was a scorpio riser for about a year.

Is like my ascendant would be hiding under neptune in saggy from the 12H at the galactic center not letting me see the cappy clearly and relaxing the cappy traits but Saturn in Scorpio conjunct Pluto in the 10th I would be able to identify with and notice more easily in how I interact with the world.

It may explain why for sooo long I identified with Neptune and my Moon in pisces more than my sun in virgo, similar situation could be be happening with AC in cappy since neptune in saggy is there, I may identify more with neptune in saggy square my moon in pisces since pisces and neptune are good friends so it may relax my virgo and cappy qualities a lot the Neptune influence. Neptune in saggy is my strongest planet after all. Also neptune may make it harder for me to see clearly in myself the virgo and cappy even if they are very much there!

posted April 07, 2020 03:21 PM            

@hyp:
I'll try to keep this short.

1. As said, I doubt you are ASC-Cap. There are a few Cap Risers here and you come off totally different. As well, I've known a lot of ASC-Caps, and there's a "sluggishness" about them... a "plodding-ness"(not in a Tau way, but just 'slow to start' then like a barreling/rolling rock). ASC = physical "vitality", so this fits symbolically. In the past you've admitted you have a lot of springy energy, which fits Sag period somewhat("itchy feet" syndrome because it desires new pastures, expansion, etc)- but -especially- its/your ASC Ruler exactly conj Uranus. I do not think the Neptune influence you have would totally negate what I think are core Cap characteristics stated before. But maybe I'm wrong - of course.

2. You still did not answer why 24deg. I too would be skeptical of a "12:00 flat" time if it contradicted my mother's report. But still, why 24deg? Why not something later, but still ASC-Sag? Later Sag would make it closer to your Mom's recollection, so... ? Also, can you post your "12:00" Chart?

You see, 24deg is what I have a problem with. According to my Tropical Deg ASC Nakashatra Theory, my intuition tells me the Nakshatra starting at 26'4-Sag fits .. but the Nakshatra at 24deg-Sag does not. So, I'd expect you to fit like the vast majority of people I've thought of not be the 5%, 10%, whatever%, exception.

As well, if your ASC is later Sag, there's a good chance your H3-Cusp is Pisces NOT Aqua. H3 is really evident in Online Communication. You have a fast and loose writing style. Aqua is Ruled by Uranus, yes, but it is Co-Ruled by Saturn. Pisces is the "loose" sign because it is "boundaryless" and blah blah. Co-Rulers being in Sag with one w/ an exact conj to Uranus(the "fast" part) fits better -imo- how you come off online than one of the Rulers being in Scorp + conj Pluto... even more if they're in the "order!!", 'slow', yadda yadda, H10. But again, maybe there is stuff I don't know about you that makes H3-Aqu make sense but certainly not H3-Pisces.

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You are free to disregard+dismiss my TDAN Theory if you want. But like I said the working suspicion of mine is it is legit and assumption is you fit/are not the very statistically unlikely exception ... so that is why I have a problem with 24deg-Sag/suspect a later Sag deg.

posted April 07, 2020 04:58 PM            

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Originally posted by ULT12:
Also, can you post your "12:00" Chart?

[b]You see, 24deg is what I have a problem with. According to my Tropical Deg ASC Nakashatra Theory, my intuition tells me the Nakshatra starting at 26'4-Sag fits .. but the Nakshatra at 24deg-Sag does not. So, I'd expect you to fit like the vast majority of people I've thought of not be the 5%, 10%, whatever%, exception.

As well, if your ASC is later Sag, there's a good chance your H3-Cusp is Pisces NOT Aqua. H3 is really evident in Online Communication. You have a fast and loose writing style. Aqua is Ruled by Uranus, yes, but it is Co-Ruled by Saturn. Pisces is the "loose" sign because it is "boundaryless" and blah blah. Co-Rulers being in Sag with one w/ an exact conj to Uranus(the "fast" part) fits better -imo- how you come off online than one of the Rulers being in Scorp + conj Pluto... even more if they're in the "order!!", 'slow', yadda yadda, H10. But again, maybe there is stuff I don't know about you that makes H3-Aqu make sense but certainly not H3-Pisces.

You are free to disregard+dismiss my TDAN Theory if you want. But like I said the working suspicion of mine is it is legit and assumption is you fit/are not the very statistically unlikely exception ... so that is why I have a problem with 24deg-Sag/suspect a later Sag deg.

(my life "change" hasn't happened yet, so the I-May-Not-Reply Advisory is still in effect)[/B]

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This is interesting because when I felt the most confident in my degree I had my AC in Saggy at 25-26 degrees! but then moved it to 24 degrees. I landed it there bc my 12H cusp will be in scorpio and at 26 degree it would be in Saggy, also at 26 degrees I would have Aquarius/LEO intercepted and I dont think that fits but on second thought, maybe it does, maybe it fits a lot. Having my own values and views on things was not welcomed and my mother always felt I was "too" intense but I was reacting to her controlling nature and her trying to suppress who I was, I remember feeling my mother wanted to shape me into her and they went through great lengths to keep me from studying astrology putting a program in the computer that would BLOCK ME from astrology sites so having aquarius the sign that rules astrology intercepted in the 2H would fit this and this feeling that I was been shaped into been like my mother who is very conservative led to me rebelling excessively throughout my life which is how the interception can play out:

"In the opposite house where Aquarius is intercepted, the drive to be original and different is suppressed. Capricorn is on the house cusp, and that sign is cautious, conservative, and very concerned with its public image. Every client I have seen with a Capricorn Ascendant and Aquarius intercepted in the 1st house learned early in life that their desire to different, to explore new, strange, and socially unacceptable things was not going to be tolerated. They covered it up with a Capricorn veneer so they could appear to be “normal.” And when the pressure builds up, when they do finally rebel, it could be extreme and inappropriate."

^^Till this day I think a big reason why I moved so far away from her is bc I feel she will always try to control me and suppress how I am different from her, still pushing her religion on to me ect and I don't want to be too close to that even though I love her. I always told her I would move out when I was 18 far away if she did not change and I did but later in my 20s. I can only handle her in small doses. I rebelled a lot and they should have not tried to control someone whose chart ruler conjuncts Uranus, they should have let me be free and different. I Never felt comfortable telling her I lost my virginity and kept denying it, she taught me to hide things which had other consequences as an adult in my behavior, I wasn't going to stop been myself I was just going to hide it from her. I rebelled and always had a reason but my rebelliousness was not balanced, not caring about consequences and disregarding social norms around commitments I made but for good reason, a part of me was and is been neglected and not honored and not allowed to express itself (leo intercepted in the 8H).

I don't know about vedic astrology much and you clearly have studied this more in depth.

I could also agree to having 3H in Pisces bc I am a bit spacey, in my head a lot and can struggle with focusing, I am also very intuitive in how I communicate with others and how I am able to understand them but I also like to shock people when I talk which fits Uranus ruling my 3H conjunct Jupiter and I like talking about things that are a bit controversial to push people's comfort zones and get them thinking about it from a different angle, sometimes I just say things out of rebelliousness to shock others. Some Latina girl who has some conservative leanings and likes Trump is shocking and breaks stereotypes and my crazy self enjoys that. However, You bring up a great point that Jupiter is the co-ruler of pisces and since I have Jupiter conjunct Uranus this would also explain the things I just brought up! So yes even the more reason for me to feel comfortable with 3H in Pisces! I am with you.

Let me share with you an article I wrote recently, bc when I write an article my communication style changes drastically than when I write in a forum. Perhaps with more formal writing the Mercury in Virgo in the 9th takes over and I have mercury parallel pluto and saturn conjunts my pluto.

So tell me a little about vedic astrology and why you feel more confident that my degree is at 26 instead of 25,24,23?

Here is my chart with Saggy at 26 degrees. I did notice that when Saturn was precisely in Capricorn at 27 degrees it was painful and then I noticed that it trined tightly my sun at that degree and was like wow that trine is powerful then BUT if I have saggy at 26 degrees then my 2H cusp is in Capricorn at 27 degrees and so Saturn was right on my 2H cusp while trining my SUN and I think this would explain better what I felt then.

posted April 08, 2020 01:27 AM            

"suppressing my aquarius" could just be Uranus-12. H12 governs "suppression (+ "hidden" stuff)".

So maybe it's your Interception, maybe not. I've not looked into Interceptions. But here is something interesting: At 25/26+-Sag you say you'd have H12-Sag? You said you - H1=Self + your frontal expression - felt suppressed/repressed/whatever word you used + that you had to hide(!) yourSelf. Maybe this shows H1 & H12 being the same sign. Can you talk about why you think you have Scorpio-12?

H3:

Vedic/26deg/etc: The only reason I felt challenged by your Chart when you finally posted it is because it/your ASC deg did not fit my TDAN Theory ... yet it was so close to + there is ? around your actual TOB. So had you posted a deg fitting my TDAN Theory, I would not have batted an eye at your Chart - I would have been like "welp, she knows herself/her life history than I do, I assume all her placements fit".

But that brings me to your Neptune. I think it is in H12, not H1. It will be closely conj ASC either way so it'll sorta be like Neptune-1. Add Neptune squaring both your Luminaries + Moon-Pisces even more, identifying with Neptune-1 may be an "absolutely!" thing. But, the reason I suspect your Neptune is H12-not-H1 is because of... a perhaps weak argument. H1 is "the body", Neptune is formless, blobby etc, so Neptune-1 would be a pointer for a "over"weight, uncontrolled re: form, shape, size, etc, body (UNLESS there's some overriding factor, which could be anything(I'm not an expert at Astrology/Physical Appearance correlations) so that's why it might be a weak argument). However, I knew a Fem Cap ASC w/ Neptune-1, and Cap ASC would be a pointer for a Skinny Body, but they were not, for 18yrs of their life they had the "blobby", over-weight body (at 18-19, they significantly slimmed down for college but I lost contact with them within their first year so haven't seen a pic for >a decade). As well, look at Billie Eilish - Pisces ASC, has that kind of body. You've said you used to be lanky. That fits ASCRuler conj Uranus. But I will say, you definitely have the "always looks so different in pictures across time" thing Neptune-1/ASC has. So I do believe it affects your "appearance" (ASC), just seemingly not your body (H1). However, maybe and I just don't know - you/people can still have soft&blobby bodies while being thin (I hate clothes lol).

But there's another reason I suspect Neptune-12. I didn't look closely at your 26deg Chart before, but your proposed Chart is still not in the right Nakshatra(TDAN Theory)/still in the old/wrong one. The Nakshatra is said to begin at 26'40, your Chart is 26'08_32" - not enough. Perhaps 1 minute later and you'll be OK (fitting my TDAN Theory, that is.... which is just a Theory). So this would necessitate Neptune-12.

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Quickly, re: Sag or Scorp H12: It may help to consider H6. H6 is "paid work". While H8 is trauma, recovery, psychology etc, Virgo is related as it's "healing" just on a practical level first/mainly. So is your H6-Lord in H8(<-Tau-6 = Venus), or is the "work" you do more Virgoan and dealing with all sorts of 'mental management'(Mercury).

In addition, H6 represents co-workers and also subordinates. Are your coworkers better fit to Tau or Gem? Lastly, H6 governs "health" - like I said physical/body vitality is mostly H1, but since H6 is health it has some role too. You've described yourself as 'antsy' which is much more Gem than Tau... but your antsyness might be fully explained by ASCRuler-_exact_conj-Uranus.

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I don't have it in me atm to analyze/discuss the 12:00 Chart lol (esp since it's likely not real).

posted April 08, 2020 12:48 PM            

The day we met transit CHIRON and MARS were both in Saggy at 23 degrees. It was kiss at first sight and we made out for over an hour.

He has IC and VERTEX in Saggy at 20 degrees and I have southnode in Saggy at 20 degrees so tr chiron/mars was activating all that.

Anyhoo. If fits a lot for us to have an exact Mars/AC conjunction as the AC/MARS/VERTEX/IC/SOUTHNODE/NEPTUNE(his&mine) stellium creates a strong magnetic pull between us and chiron travelling over that which includes our neptune is a cinderalla transit.

I don't know if I identify a lot with any of the Nakshatra for saggy but I still think you could be right about the degree (I read descriptions), this would mean I was born at 12:59PM, so just before 1PM. I just know that I Feel confident that I was born between Saggy at 23 degrees and 26 degrees.

I want to add that I interact with people a lot on this forum and for many years, I used to be amelia28 first, and am not afraid to talk about things that are controversial so naturally I will sometimes have some disagreements but I am not argumentative but I won't run from a disagreement unless I Feel its going down an unproductive path and turning into something that I feel is messed up, then I will walk away. I also don't like been controlled, specially my mind and or my thinking process so I will set boundaries if that happens. I am saying this bc I read the Nakshatra for Saggy at 26.4 for women and I get the impression you think I fall under that bc I am "argumentative." The last issue I had here that person has Moon on the DC square Mars on the IC, he was argumentative and has been argumentative with others here too so you also have to think about the role the other is playing.

For example, based on the way you carry yourself I feel you are very airy and possibly also with some earth, I feel you are detached and objective, I bet you rarely get into arguments with anyone period, I don't see myself ever bumping heads with you but if I come across someone who has a long history of having intense fights with their significant other and wanting to rescue others and so every time they see me interact with someone who I am having a slight disagreement with they have the need to INSERT themselves into the conversation in order to "RESCUE" them from me when they don't need to be rescued and don't want to be rescued and we were doing fine, then you can see how that person is projecting their own negative cycle (e.g. the drama triangle which is strongly linked to the addictive cycle) and trying to replay it with me, he was also projecting authority issues unto me and so then an argument got started that I felt trapped in because of how he kept setting it up and felt bullied and belittled but I can chose to walk away and not participate in that drama. In this case is better to disengage than have a discussion. In that specific situation I played a role in the communication issues we were having but owning it just made him fall deeper into self-righteousness and not own his part in our communication breakdown, he also chose to come back and escalate the problems we were having we had worked through. Then he came to harass me at another thread again inserting himself to a conversation/discussion I was having with someone else (e.g. drama triangle).

You bring up excellent points about Leo/Aquarius.

I want to expand on the potential LEO/AQUARIUS interception I may have. I was always encouraged to express myself in a VERY ascendant centered type of way and I was never censored at home for expressing my opinion either so SELF-EXPRESSION was allowed and encouraged but my unconventional thinking or interests were NOT (astrology, sex before marriage, spiritual views different from my upbringing). I was also pressured a lot to not have sex until I get married (LEO intercepted in the 8TH) which perhaps made me over rebel in the context of sexuality. As a child my mother let me express my individuality through how I dressed I feel, she was more flexible with this but then most of my life I had to wear uniform to school and usually would get in trouble for having my skirt shorter than I was suppose to etc..even at work I have a history of breaking the dress code. My parents put me in dance classes, I was encouraged a lot to express myself through dancing, this is also very culturally ingrained, Dominicans love dancing, I would sing in front of my family while my father played the guitar ect...

I think bc my VENUS/MARS trines my AC even if my LEO is intercepted there was an outlet for it (MY AC). Even when I met my ex and I went up to him and started to kiss him at first sight that was potentially my venus conjunct mars intercepted in LEO but also TRINING my AC, is like I jumped at the opportunity of releasing that interception when others would NOT and wait until it was more "appropriate" like a first date. It was an amazing night though, magical.

By contrast my URANUS does not aspect my AC yet it conjuncts my chart ruler but falls in my 12H so Uranus has less of an outlet yet bc it conjuncts my chart ruler is a very big part of my personal expression and identity but I am simultaneously very good at hiding this part of me if needed depending on who I am with and the environment I am at. But whether I show you this side of me or decide not to in order to adapt and fit in, I am very much a rebel, this is a big part of my identity. When I was an activist it was very behind the scenes though but I went ALL OUT. My need to rebel or affirm my right to think how I want and be different is strong and I break rules.

I suppose if Jupiter conjunct Uranus would fall in my 1H my rebellious nature would be in your face, I may have piercings and tattoos and dye my hair pink or blue ect...but in the 12H I don't outright show this to the world in a physical way through my body but I am actually quite rebellious. My husband has chart ruler square uranus on an angle, the DC so it fits we ended up together bc we are both rebels.

posted April 08, 2020 03:09 PM            

"I get the impression you think I fall under that bc I am "argumentative.""
No lmao. Not at all. I don't recall the Utterazhada(sp) Nakshatra particularly being painted as argumentative (you want argumentative? read your <26'40Sag Nakshatra - "opinionated, obstinate, headstrong, doesn't back down even if wrong, quick to decide & charges ahead" blah blah (think: the NEGATIVE side of Sag)).

If you don't think your ASC is >26'40Sag that's fine by me. I'd say make certain you understand the Nakshatras well, maybe contemplate a bit. But if you don't think >26'40Sag is right I'm not trying to force it on you.

Me:
I'm majority Earth (close next is Water), but only have 1 Air Planet/House Position. I have Mercury-conj-Sun, but lots do and they don't come off as as "Airy" or logical/detached like me. My 1 Air is Mars-Libra, so that alone could be said to be indicative of someone who is very logical(considers others sides(Libra) before acting(Mars)) ... but that 1 Air Planet is also my next Dispositor for my Sun+Merc, so perhaps I'm Airy in an underneath way. Anyhow, we can talk more about me here if you want, but jsyk my Chart is posted in the Personal Readings forum if you're curious.

'not suppressed re: SELF-expression':
Gotcha, I misunderstood. Sun-square-ASC could also be interpreted in reverse, which souds like your experience: SELF-expression(Sun) was encouraged to be VERY(hard aspect) significant to your Life/Environment. One of those either-or things of Astro, it seems?

Neptune-12: Gotcha. Like I said, if you don't think >26'40Sag is right, aka Neptune-1 is, I'm not trying to force Neptune-12 on you.

I hope you don't think this is creepy lol, but I have your Place of Birth so I'm off to do some various Charts with your Info. Last night I got curious if a later Sag fits and if other things check out I'll ask some Q's.

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posted April 08, 2020 04:11 PM            

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I hope you don't think this is creepy lol, but I have your Place of Birth so I'm off to do some various Charts with your Info. Last night I got curious if a later Sag fits and if other things check out I'll ask some Q's.

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hahahahahaha Not at all, I appreciate a lot you joining me on this journey of figuring out with more confidence my degree and appreciate a lot all your input on what you think about me ect..

I can totally have AC in saggy at 26d4 and am glad you brought up this possibility. I will gladly answer any more questions you have as they come up.

posted April 08, 2020 07:05 PM            

My curiosity is Jupiter - Is it H11 or H12?
astro.com does not offer this afaik and I don't have time atm to find another site, but it is possible to be born within a minute. Vedic sites often ask for a -seconds- value, astro.com stops at -minutes- (I might have a trick for astro.com, but can't try atm). If you were born 1:12pm, Jupiter is still in H12 w/ ASC-Sag. If born 1:13, ASC-Cap so I figure that's a disqualifier (<- Jupiter-11 now though) BUT I think Jupiter can be in H11 as late as like 1:12:40pm WITH ASC-Sag.

So my questions for you to think:
Are you positive you have Chiron-6, not Chiron-5(required for this time)? I personally feel Chiron very strongly so maybe it's the same for you? Also, I think Juno goes into H4 now... I never looked at Juno, but can you tell H5 vs H4?

If your life story which I don't know fits ASCRuler-12 not ASCRuler-11, well that's that lol. Questions bit unimportant.

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If you have a time of 1::12:00, Sun is no longer conj MC. But that may be unnecessary, for several reasons.

1. Saturn-10 may explain your "careerism".
1.1 Pluto-10 as well, actually. Pluto = extremism.

2. Sun will still be the highest point/closest to MC in your chart. Whatever this is is said to be our 'highest ideal' of sorts, just like what the MC is. So MC-conj-Sun not necessary.

3. Now, this is my favorite part. Utterazhada Nakshatra is ruled by the SUN. Basically, it amplifies the significance of your Sun + my limited research shows it gives you an 'ASC-like cast' of the Planet/etc in general. So the Sun highlight from MC may again not be necessary.

To expand on the "in general" last bit, I have a fascinating celebrity example... and 2 anecdotes. Celeb: Trent Reznor(musician) has a Moon Nakshatra ASC; his Moon is in the subconscious/suppressed H12 + his Moon might be unaspected, but he has a cult following that has spanned over 2 decades now because of his emotionalism/emotional display/articulation/expression(Moon). 2 anecdotes: I was 65% sure someone was a Libra(<- Venus) ASC but they are not but are a Venus Nakshatra ASC, Person2 I was 90-95% sure they were Leo(<- Sun) ASC but nope they are a Sun Nakshatra ASC instead) (Person1 has an unremarkable Venus, but Person2 has a really significant Sun besides-Nakashatra so if you want to dismiss these Nakshatra-dealing patterns ok).

Anyhow, tldr is "Sun Nakshatra ASC may be why "I see Fire, definitely" was said by multiple people here.

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I have to go so I can't expand, but some things to consider for 1:12-1:13pm -

1. H2 won't be 27Cap anymore.

2. Leo/Aqua is now no longer Intercepted. It is now Cap/Can-H1/H7. Like I said idk Interceptions but Cap Intercepted in H1 might be a pointer for your careerism/stuff (H1 = self's "personality" + Interception = enveloped in, expressed in + Cap = career blah blah ?).

posted April 08, 2020 07:18 PM            

Neptune on the 12H CONJUNCT that tightly my AC will still be interpreted as Neptune on the AC but it would have more of a 12H influence.

Gemini would fit better than Taurus as I talk and listen for a living and help people look at things from a different perspective (mercury in the 9th).

I think I have 12H in scorpio bc I used to have night terrors and a strong desire to merge with another and surrender fully my soul to another. Pluto in the 12H or pluto ruling the 12th house I feel fit that well. I think in a past life I may have been involved in witchcraft which fits this too. Also my interest in the occult and conspiracy theories and mystery religions would better be explained with 12H in scorpio, transgenerational karma and trauma that gets passed down from generation to generation is an interest of mine too that fits better 12H in scorpio, I just relate a lot to 12H in scorpio and not as much to 12H in saggy.

The dreams I had as a child of been put in a dungeon in a castle in a peninsula, been an outcast in an island that was very green/luscious and looked like a labyrinth, I was rejected by my community and punished with this rejection, My egyptian past life dream that supports I came from a family with power and was having secret affair with someone powerful too is very 12H in scorpio, repeating similar patterns in this life from the Egyptian dream.

^^Unless everything mentioned can be explained by pluto ruling my 11th conjunct saturn/DNA in scorpio and moon in pisces ruling my 8th house and having venus conjunct mars in leo in the 8th trine Neptune conjunct AC.

posted April 08, 2020 07:39 PM            

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3. Like I: said "also THIS" may fully explain your ASCRuler seeming from my stranger pov to fit H11 not H12. Or it could also be Jupiter exact conj Uranus.

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I explained to you some aspects of my life that fit Jupiter in the 12H but maybe you did not read it, I was a big part of the cannabis movement in a very 12th house type of way and could have been severely punished but was let go I think thanks to the lucky/protective influence of jupiter in the 12h house. I was a social worker for the elderly, for people with down syndrome and other cognitive disorders, I worked with people with severe mental health illness like schizophrenia and now am a therapist, 12th house rules mental health issues but in my case I have jupiter there opposing chiron in the 6th house wanting to help people with mental health issues heal and people in general bc everyone has trauma to some extent, chiron is the healer and jupiter the teacher so it makes a lot of sense.

Uranus is the natural ruler of the 11th house and it conjuncts my chart ruler so yes is like I automatically have jupiter in the 11th house energy and that is what you are picking up on.

At 1:13PM I definitely have AC in Capricorn and Jupiter conjunct Uranus fall right on my 12H cusp, 12H cusp would be at 5d20, jupiter would 5 seconds away from the 11th at 5d15 so conjuncting my 12H cusp exact, when a planet is conjucting a house cups that tightly is interpreted as been in the 12H and not the 11H.

posted April 09, 2020 01:06 AM            

"i commented on your chart"
Thanks for the awareness, I'm a little avoidant in a way so I don't really check my threads/some posts.

"maybe you did not read it"
Nah I did, I read everything but don't often have anything to reply so I don't... especially w/e may seem ignored when there are many other topics to discuss.

Anyhow, I agree the 'protective' bit sounds like Jupiter-12, but my view of ASCRuler-12 is that they've all been quiet, 'removed', etc, not extraverted like you come off here. But I have veeery few examples(<5) of this position so I'm sure other stuff can counteract it but my experience fit the Astro description so I went with it. And I want to say, if you think ASCRuler-12 fits say IRL and it's just online/here that you seem extrAverted, so be it/I have no qualms.

H12-Cusp stuff:
Gotcha. A lot of what you wrote I think is indicated elsewhere, but I haven't looked into House Cusps so can't give you ideas for symptoms/whatever of H12-Sag.

One quick side bit I want to comment on is the "past life witchcraft" thing. I've seen H12 be associated with past lives but there is another pointer for it that is huge(meaning it's literally in the title -> "past lives") and the H12 interpretation requires deep analysis so it just feels 'weak' idk. Anyway, the SouthNode(SN/Ketu) is "past lives" and H12 itself can be "occult" and such because occult stuff is "otherworldly"... and Neptune is akin to H12. You have Ketu/12 + Ketu-conj-Neptune, which I'd consider to fully account for your feeling like/suspicion of "past life witchcraft" not Scorp-12.

I've also seen "dreams" associated with H12 and the symbolic connection is strong and it does seem people with Stuff in H12 have more dreams+they fit the symbolism too, but the Cusp Sign seems a loose+weak correlation. Maybe I'm wrong here due to lack of experience with peoples Charts, idk.

Jupter-Uranus looking like Jupiter-11
Yeah maybe. i have Venus-conj-Uranus, does this mean it's like I had Venus in H11? Idk about that; sure I want to be "friends" and totally open and honest with my S/O's, but that's Venus-Uranus not particularly Venus-11. Idk.

posted April 09, 2020 01:44 AM            

But you are at least explaining the reason why you think I have jupiter in the 11th house is bc I am very outgoing here in Lindaland, I seem extroverted and outgoing here which to you fits more saggy rising with jupiter in the 11th.

I have jupiter in the 12th house and I tend to socially isolate, is too easy for me to stay at home in the mountains with my hubby, my social life is going hiking with husband, eating out with husband, going to the movies with my husband, watching shows at home with my husband, going to the gym on my own, getting my nails done on my own, going grocery shopping with my husband, I don't have a social life, I avoid social stuff. A few years ago someone in our neighborhood invited us and a bunch of other neighbors to go to their barbecue party and I did not go, I could make friends if I want to but chose not to. Yet I have had a few real close friends throughout my life but once I met my husband my focus was dedicated to him, is like I can only have one real close friend and don't have the energy to invest in more than one friend at a time bc I do like to just hang out at home, do errands or be out there in open space spending time with NATURE.

But I can also be outgoing/warm/friendly, maybe bc my AC in Saggy trines Venus conjunct Mars in LEO and that is were the outgoing warm friendly side comes from but I do have a tendency to socially isolate even though I am outgoing. I know that is a weird contrast but is soooo me. I tend to retreat back into my shell and don't seek out a social life and actually tend to avoid it. Even in my early 20s when I use to party bc I do love dancing but I would want to go out partying once a week, while a lot of people would want to party thursday, friday and saturday.

posted April 09, 2020 02:01 AM            

Not exactly a CONVENTIONAL social outlet if you get what I mean