posted February 17, 2020 03:05 PM            

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I can see why people think you are a Libra. you look like a Virgo/Libra mix to me.
If I have to decide between Cap and Sag I have to say Sag because Cap usually has a more angled face, it seems sharper. although it depends a lot to on the aspects the ascendant makes as well. What are the aspects your asc makes other than a square to the sun?
The square explains the leo -ish look to me as well since the sun by making a square to the asc has a great impact to how you look. My pluto makes a tight aspect to my asc and my asc ruler and I do give off a very Plutonic or Scorpio vibe. People keep thinking I m a Scorpio

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I don't have a cappy nose at all for example, cappy's have small piercing eyes and small sharp features and their nose are straight, my nose is very broad more in line with saggy rising trine venus in leo.

posted February 17, 2020 03:10 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:

I will no longer be responding to Hypatia about this issue, but I'm kind of at the "I just don't give a shite" point right now.

Here's the thing, I postulated that her Asc is likely 0 to 1 degrees Capricorn, with Sag Neptune conjuncting same. Hence, Neptune is quite powerful/highlighted, and with a combo of the close cusping and a Sag planet conjunct the Asc, then Sagittarius is getting more highlighted as well. It's not a simple case of Sagittarius vs Capricorn.

Hence, your points about Mars just entering Cap, do relate, but not in the way that you seem to be saying. When a Planet gets closest to the Angle, then one REALLY notices the energy, and whoo boy, I'm definitely noticing it being on the receiving end. Isn't it funny that T. Mars is currently closely squaring my Libra Moon. Yeah, real "funny" and coincidental that one...

But here are some indisputable facts that most serious astrologers would agree with.

1. Sagittarius is in an archetyal sense, the tallest of the Rising Signs. Everything about them is unusually long (well maybe not everything), from their face, to their legs, etc. Women often have unusually wide hips and pronounced butts. Hmm, just so happens to be a couple of the parts that it rules.

2. in Caucasians, Sagittarius Rising, in an archeytpal sense, and if not powerfully counter balanced by Planets like Saturn, or a Planet in Earth Sign in strong aspect, tend towards a lighter to lighter medium type complexion. Celtic and Germanic ancestry is quite common. Light brown chestnut or auburn hair is not uncommon i.e. some bit of red shading in with lighter to medium brown dominating, but not the golden red of Leo or the Sun, nor the fiery, ginger potential of Aries/and or Mars under ideal conditions. But, they all be Fire signs, and wouldn't you know, in Caucasians, some bit of red is not uncommon.

3. Capricorn Rising on the other hand, is short to the shorter side of average in an archetypal sense. This can be counter balanced by strong Sun, Jupiter, Uranus, North Node, Mercury, Sagittarius, etc shading in or connecting to the Rising and/or it's ruler.

My Spouse has Capricorn Rising and she's a bit under 5' 10". However, her ruling Planet is in Libra and conjunct Jupiter within seconds. Her Asc is cusping Aquarius, and 10th House Uranus is sextile her Asc degree. But, she has medium-light brown hair, warm brown eyes, and can tan hellaz a lot better than my freckly, reddish beared, Leo Rising Celtic arse.

4. Capricorn is in an archetypal sense, a darker/more pigmented Rising Sign. Relative to their ethnicity and/or family background, they are often at least medium to darker toned hair, eyes, skin, etc. At the very least, they can tan quite well, and in Caucasians, they often have more "Mediterranean like" to Semitic type background. This can be offset/counter balanced by very strong Sun, Moon, Mars, and Jupiter some. These are known to correlate to a "lightening" up a Rising some. Least of all Mars though. Sun and Moon ESPECIALLY. Sun inclining towards a very Celtic look, and Moon to a more pale Saxon-Germanic or Slavic type skin tone (but dark hair is not uncommon--sort of the classic witchy women look in females).

5. We are most likely not dealing with a clear cut case of a pure Rising Sign here, but one of strong cusping/blending. Hence, it's going to be more complicated. The question is not, does she look Sagittarius or Capricorn,[b]but which one does she look MORE like.

The average height alone,especially considering Jupiter is in Sagittarius and closely conjunct Sag Uranus, POWERFULLY argues against technical Sag Rising.

6. I have literally been researching and studying this particular branch of astrology for over two full decades. I know my shite. Feel free to disagree, but please folks, do it with sound holistic logic where ALL the various different factors line up and make sense. I am tired of b.s. and EGO's (i.e. strong Mars and Pluto) getting in the way of truth.

Cause frankly, I'm not seeing the holistic logic and accuracy. Yes, I know, I'm arrogant, condescending, blah blah blah, cause I like accuracy, facts, objectivity, and truth. Nothing worse than a scientist (Capricorn, Mercury, Virgo, Aquarius) and philosopher (Jupiter, highlighted 9th, Pisces, etc) rolled into one. It's like the worst of both worlds... apparently, or so I keep hearing.

The gloves are off beeyatches. Put up, or shut up. The gauntlet is ON.

(Hopefully this is also amusing and entertaining as well as informative. Leo Risings are kind of known for a certain theatrical, dramatic flair....)

But more seriously, if I'm to be honest. I was sincerely and deeply hurt and upset by someone's post to me on another thread. This is why I don't trust people or let them get close normally. Because I often end up getting betrayed, disappointed in some way.

Why, because we've been talking more personally via another venue and I thought we were developing a friendship. But I see that I was very off about that. I have no interest in false friends that resent and are petty and vindictive towards me, just because I impersonally disagreed with their beliefs/perceptions, was trying to help them see a rather complicated subject more clearly, and that bothered their overinflated ego, which is shown well by a combo of T. Mars exactly conjunct their Asc, and their ruling Planet, Saturn in Scorpio closely conjunct Pluto. That's a LOT of EGO, and more than all this Jupiter I'm experiencing currently and natally. Jupiter often seems more egotistical than it really is, because it's very open, honest, direct, and sincere.

Saying what is truly on one's mind and heart, is rare in this world. Most people keep their own arrogant, superior, I'm more right, blah blah thoughts to themselves because of social fear. With Jupiter, what you see is what you get, social niceties be darned. But, there is not a true mean, spiteful, or petty bone in Jupiter's body.

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Oh wow GalacticCoreExplosion. That's a mouthful. The lion roar is emphatic in that post. This despite you declaring you don't have a dog in thiz "fight"

Your post had me reminisce on reading Linda's book & cracking up.

The book was Linda's Love Signs on the compatibility of Leo & Aries. But I see it more apt here to talk about the likely "combustibility" of Leo (your Asc) and Sag(Hypatia's known Asc).Both of you are very strong willed.

If I recall the disagreement between Leo and Aries, I would rephrase it to apply to Sag and Leo(as in this instance)

It would be something along the lines of Leo(you)saying to Sag(she) ; "Now you sit back down Sag.And let me tell you how completely WRONG you really are." Sag won't sit down

I think its interesting that you and Hypatia have a Moon(yours) and Sun(hers) out of sign conjunction. Your Moon is in Libra if I am not mistaken?

I agree with Kannon that finding ones Ascendant point is a personal internal journey. It's sometimes not an overnight "aha" moment based solely on external information

It takes discernment and personal "feeling it out" for the self etc.To draw ones own conclusions and then test,test ,test with transits, progressions etc.

That whole stage is personal and cannot be interfered with-no matter how well-meaning.As with all information , it has to resonate within instead of coming exclusively "without".

We can only offer up opinions and info.But the journey still belongs to the enquirer to travel-so to speak.

I for one didn't believe I was Aries Rising at all. I really struggled to accept it because I thought I was more Taurus in nature-given my less boisterous nature.

BUT the more I learn about the nature of the Asc,the more extraordinary the finding. And its all a personal journey. Each time I catch my Asc off and be like "Damne. There it is".

And then there are transits and progression. The most revealing being trans Uranus conj my Asc and parallel my Asc with progressed Asc exactly sextile natal Moon: I found out about my biological father after 33 years. Wowza!!

posted February 17, 2020 03:26 PM            

Like some astral stuff, nightmares (Jupiter), etc.

I'd try to rule having Uranus in the 12th out.

Jupiter might be a tad more difficult to rule out.

So it could be Uranus and Jupiter are in your 11th.

So far, I'm not convinced you have a Sag nor Cap AC.

What is the reason you think the AC is contained thereabouts?

posted February 17, 2020 03:36 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Those are really good observations! I feel a lot calmer this week but when Transit Mars was in Saggy at 24 degrees (feb 7) which would conjunct exact my AC I got into a HUGE fight with my husband while tr venus entered aries point which would also conjunct my IC and after it has been separating my AC I been feeling calmer but have continued to assert myself. I joined the gym too while transit mars in saggy was conjuncting my AC.

I have uranus ruling my 3H conjunct my chart ruler Juupiter in the 12H and I despise it when I feel anyone is trying to control my mind and push how they think unto me, I cannot stress enough how much I value intellectual freedom to think how I want, explore whatever I want and come to my own freak*ng conclusions. Also as a virgo I also respect a lot humility (in spite of the leo stuff, sun dominates) and don't like people with messiah complexes either who are here to teach everyone but not learn anything from others bc they know so much and know it all.

I feel you have this combination of objectivity, clarity and intuition that I love put you are also humble and not pushy, its easy to talk with you and I have never felt controlled by you or like you are trying to control how I think ever, and I thank you for that, is such a nice quality you have. You share your wisdom but you don't have a big ego and you are not pushy or controlling and even though you have such a wealth of knowledge to share with this community you also are open to learning from others no matter who they are. Everyone here appreciates you for this.

Thank you for sharing your observations.

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Thank you for this. It is appreciated.

And to quote Abraham Hicks " I have enjoyed this leading edge discussion immensely. A good time for a segment of refreshments"

posted February 17, 2020 04:39 PM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
If your Uranus is in the 12th, there should be some childhood signs of having it.

Like some astral stuff, nightmares (Jupiter), etc.

I'd try to rule having Uranus in the 12th out.

Jupiter might be a tad more difficult to rule out.

So it could be Uranus and Jupiter are in your 11th.

So far, I'm not convinced you have a Sag nor Cap AC.

What is the reason you think the AC is contained thereabouts?

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I had nightmares and past life dreams as a child.

posted February 17, 2020 04:43 PM            

You've used charts set at noon in this forum, now one set for about 1 PM. So what changed that?

I resolve these things for people all the time. You know where to find me.

posted February 17, 2020 05:09 PM            

Based upon that, my guess is your Jupiter and Uranus are inside the 12th (Placidus).

I would do it the other way too.

Such as is your Neptune in the 12th?

I'd try to rule that out, which is what I have been trying to do.

There should be some type of strong imagery (different than Uranus and Jupiter influence) when young if Neptune is in the 12th.

Also, I'd think a person could be more religious with Neptune in the 1st as opposed to the 12th.

If all three of those planets are in the 12th, I'd say that'd be very unusual.

posted February 17, 2020 05:12 PM            

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Originally posted by MMarie:
You look VERY saggy to me. There is a hint of Capricorn though in you, do you have any planets there? There is a youthfulness to you in a Saturn way if that makes sense? Maybe in the skin and face structure? I’m noticing lately they really do age backwards! If I remember correctly do you have a Pisces moon? If that’s the case maybe the sun in Virgo and moon in Pisces is enough mutable energy to be confusing me. But still Saggy is my gut answer.

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Hi!!

I feel you are very good at picking up ascendants so thanks for popping by.

Virgos tend took younger and add I have venus/mars in leo but what your saying about looking younger in a saturn type of way is interesting...I do have saturn in scorpio conjunct pluto in libra towards end of my 10H and SUN conjunct MC, natural ruler of the MC is saturn. Could it be this what you are picking up on?

My SUN in Virgo conjuncts my MC in Libra:

"Libra. Libra rules the kidneys, skin, lumbar region, endocrine system, and buttocks. If you are born under this sign, you might have particularly good skin and a keen sense of balance and support."

I have been told I have good complexion/skin and that my skin/hands are very soft..this could be explained by Sun in virgo conjunct MC in LIBRA square NEPTUNE in Saggy conjunct my AC.

But the face structure part I agree and wonder too if this is bc my SUN conjuncts my MC and saturn is the natural ruler of the MC.

posted February 17, 2020 05:18 PM            

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Idk how cap or sag is supposed to look like, but intuitively I'd say sagitarrius. Your face also looks intuitive (oval shaped, oval eyes and long nose , not too thin which indicates intuitive to me, so Sag being the more intuitive sign, I'd go with that, but like someone else already pointed out, I can see a hint of cap in there too but then again we have all of these signs in us anyways lol.

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I loooove your feedback! I love you haven't read about this stuff specifically but still participated and provided a wise intuitive response.

I am suppose to have AC in saggy conjunct Neptune square Moon in pisces......so your feedback fits.

posted February 17, 2020 05:23 PM            

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You're so pretty! For some reason Sag energy jumped out straight away for me

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posted February 17, 2020 05:50 PM            

I want to let you know that I didn't read anything because I feel too lazy rn, but I like this type of threads, they feel like a mini guessing game, so I just saw the pic out of curiosity and Sag is very clear to me.
I don't see/sense Capricorn at all.

posted February 17, 2020 06:27 PM            

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Originally posted by MMarie:
@galactic while my mercury in Virgo does very much love and agree that facts, logic, research etc. play an important part in many aspects of life I think intuition or even just a “feeling” can at times be equally important. Weren’t you the one in another thread that said a matrix term “taking the red pill” following that astrology is not completely scientific? Correct me if I’m wrong because I don’t remember exactly what was said. I personally don’t think astrology will ever be 100% logic and facts and to me is more of a gray subject. I also think it’s okay for others who are not as well read up or versed in astrology to put their input in. That’s how we all learn. Just my 2 cents. Hope not to offend. I also think that there are so many factors besides astrology that play a part in looks - genes, environment etc.

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posted February 17, 2020 09:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Look at the opposite sign of your ASC and see how you are in relationships. Also, see where the chart ruler is located in what house, and see which chart ruler in what house fits your life purposes best. Where your chart ruler is located determines your life direction and your general outlook of life. For example with Jupiter, chart ruler, in the 12th house - you'd like to help others who feel like victims or sick, and dedicate your carrier to others, very empathetic.
Mine is Neptune in my 9th house and I did move to another continent to live very far from my home land and my life is circulating around spirituality, higher education and foreign cultures.

I have a feeling you are a Saggy rising because you like to move a lot, you have this gypsy lifestyle, restless, free from attachments, your relationships are very diverse ( Gemini on DSC) and you like to be mentally stimulated and mind f*cked (gemini as the other people again)

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posted February 18, 2020 12:47 AM            

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Oh wow GalacticCoreExplosion. That's a mouthful. The lion roar is emphatic in that post. This despite you declaring you don't have a dog in thiz "fight"

Your post had me reminisce on reading Linda's book & cracking up...

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Correct, Moon in Libra, 3*. Also have Venus in the 7th in somewhat widish opposition to Asc, and Pisces S. Node in the 7th--use to be a classic, over people pleaser.

Yes, my Moon is conjunct her Sun, and my Saturn is a degree away from her Sun in same Sign.

I have no problem with her disagreeing with me about her Rising Sign. That was never an issue for me. Something else was and is. Let's just say, that the relatively little to moderate Scorpio and Pluto I have has been triggered and is coming out right now...

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that whole stage is personal and cannot be interfered with-no matter how well-meaning.As with all information , it has to resonate within instead of coming exclusively "without".

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Indeed, and here is the irony of all this. I advised her that a good way of finding out her Asc, was to deeply meditate with the intention of connecting to expanded guidance, and ask them with no preconceptions or belief, what her Rising Sign is.

She has talked about how she listens to her gut and immediately after starts a thread polling other people's opinions. If you haven't noticed, a number of people besides me, also think it's likely she has Cap Rising. But really, she SHOULD go within about it, and under ideal circumstances/conditions. Not poll people's opinions.

But here;s some interesting, inconvenient truths and "coinkydinks". Her husband has Cancer Moon. Cancer Moon of course would go along a lot better with Cap Rising than with Sag Rising. She has no Cancer nor Capricorn otherwise. In synastry and chart comparisons between people that are especially close, you almost always see very strong opposite and same Signs between different personal and/or highlighted symbols. One of the fairly common ones, is one person's Moon opposite or same Sign as the other person's Rising.

But wait, there's more... Not long ago when T. Sag Mars was conjoining her Sag Neptune, she was thinking strongly of how wunderbar it would be if she could be single. Why is that interesting. Well, she has Moon in Pisces. Getting the drift? I'll spell it out anyways. If she has Cap Rising, then she would have Cancer Desc. What rules same? The Moon. What planet rules only Pisces?

Neptune.

Isn't that an interesting "coincidence" that when Mars was strongly shading into her Desc related factors, she was thinking about all this?

Here's the thing about people with really powerful Neptune. It is well known that they can often tend towards living more in a world where what they believe and want to believe is truth, damned the facts and evidence. This is why Neptune is associated with things like escapism, self/other deception, and a host of very right brain polarized activities and attunement. One astrology book I have, refers to Neptune as the Solar System's oldest mind altering substance. There is some definite truth to this.

This is not to say that there cannot be many positive and lovely things about very powerful Neptune attunement. Of course, but the shadow side of it, is well to keep in mind when in a debate where the truth hinges on objectivity.

Here's an example: Not long ago, she was absolutely gushing about Capricorn energy and people with strong Capricorn, how much she loved Capricorn and people with strong Capricorn. She even started a thread about how Capricorns are secretly Cancers. She talked about how super close with and how much she loves her dad, a Capricorn Sun, who ironically has the same b-day as me (isn't THAT funny).

But now her tune has changed, when this whole, you likely have Capricorn Rising thing came up again. It changed to, I'm not event that close to people with strong Capricorn, and I always felt a disconnection with my parents. It's actually quite amazing to me how someone can go from point A., to point B. with the wide gulf between same, except when you understand powerful Neptune and the shadow expression of it's NEED to believe in what it wants to believe, facts be damned.

See, I'm unusually intuitive. I see right through people and time/distance is no factor to me. I don't usually use my abilities to criticize or get personal, but like I said, I'm less inclined to be tolerant considering what she recently did to me and the conditions around same. It felt quite hurtful to me.

I am fully aware that the loving, spiritual thing would be to forgive and forget, and just ignore. Yet, I'm connected to a human body and with the human body package comes ego and related things like hurt feelings, etc. I will probably let it go in the near future, but I'm still a little perturbed by it. I went from really liking her, to feeling kind of betrayed. Her ruling Planet, Saturn in Scorpio closely conjunct Pluto has been fully revealed to me.

posted February 18, 2020 01:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
But to answer your question in the subject line, what I see is eyes that very much match Sagittarius and a smile that is more the muscular control of the more reserved Sun in Virgo.

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Kannon, to be rather frank, I do not trust your discernment when it comes to these kinds of issues. You are the same person who says that Edgar Cayce had Cancer Rising, and that Tesla had Aries Rising (when both clearly had Uranus closely conjunct their Asc's).

I started a thread about this topic and about how Cayce obviously had Leo Rising with Uranus closely conjunct his Asc, and how Tesla had late Taurus Rising closely conjunct Uranus.

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/241712.html

posted February 18, 2020 02:27 AM            

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Originally posted by MMarie:
@galactic while my mercury in Virgo does very much love and agree that facts, logic, research etc. play an important part in many aspects of life I think intuition or even just a “feeling” can at times be equally important. Weren’t you the one in another thread that said a matrix term “taking the red pill” following that astrology is not completely scientific? Correct me if I’m wrong because I don’t remember exactly what was said. I personally don’t think astrology will ever be 100% logic and facts and to me is more of a gray subject. I also think it’s okay for others who are not as well read up or versed in astrology to put their input in. That’s how we all learn. Just my 2 cents. Hope not to offend. I also think that there are so many factors besides astrology that play a part in looks - genes, environment etc.

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Well sure MMarie, who here is often talking about communication with guidance, using one's intuition, matters of psychicness, etc, etc?

I am not coming at this topic from solely a logic and analytical place, but also my considerable intuitively developed side as well.

I have mentioned here a couple times briefly that I happen to personally know the author Sidney Kirkpatrick who wrote what many consider The definitive biography of Edgar Cayce.

What I don't go into, is how we met and why we became friends. I met him a few years ago at the A.R.E.'s Annual Members Congress. I got a feeling when I saw him there, that we had some kind of past life connection. So I went up into the meditation room there, went into deep meditation, and asked my guidance if we had any other life connections, and if we did, could I be shown some helpful info about it and/or who he was.

I received a name--related to one of his past life influences. Yep, definitely a connection there.

Later on, while my spouse and I were sitting at some chairs waiting for a talk to begin, I saw Sidney, and I waved him over under the semi pretense of introducing him to my spouse, but more so wanting to bring up this info. After intros, I said, "I'm sure that you and your wife have probably been to some professional psychics over the years. Has this name ever come up for you in relation to a past life?"

The look on his face was priceless. It was like complete and utter surprise turning quickly into shock.

He later confided in me that he was doubly surprised about the whole thing, because he had just been thinking about this possible past life connection and whether it would come up at the congress/conference. He felt that I had read his mind. He started introducing me to his A.R.E. friends and co-workers as the "mind reader". We have been in more or less regular contact since. At the next Congress, because of some rain and thunderstorms and that my spouse and I were camping, Sidney invited us to stay over at their place, and I did (my partner temporarily went back home to do her volunteering at a place).

For me, it wasn't unusual--it was just another day in the life of MANY such experiences that have received definite verification and far beyond chance synchronicity. If you know how to read a chart well in relation to psychism--well I have an extremely psychic chart--especially in relation to others.

So imagine my whimsical, befuddled amusement when someone tells me about the importance of intuition, etc? Well indeed, I cannot but agree!

No offense taken. You strike me as an unusually sweet, kind and decent hearted person. I know you meant well for both Hypatia and me. I appreciate the intention and spirit of your post.

posted February 18, 2020 04:07 AM            

If folks are interested in what a more archetypal, Caucasian woman with Sagittarius Rising looks like, I would look up a bunch of pics of Liv Tyler.

Liv Tyler's alleged physical birth time doesn't give Sag Rising, but Cancer Rising. However, it's from memory, and this is not even considering what Cayce's guidance repeatedly talked about in the potential difference between physical and spiritual birth times and how this can and does change the chart.

Point being, Liv Tyler ticks a lot of the classic, Archetypal traits of Sagittarius Rising, facially and all around body wise--5' 10", large hips, pronounced butt, long, horsey face, wide mouth, not dark, but neither super light in coloring, slightly slanted/slightly almond shaped eyes, etc.

I don't know what her Rising Sign is, but someone that looks more like archetypal Capricorn Rising to me is the actress Susan Lucci.

Sagittarius and Capricorn are about as different as can be, not only personality wise, but also physical looks wise.

But blend Liv and Susan together some, with an emphasis on Susan, and then add very strong Neptune into the mix.

Firmly in the middle of average height, with Hispanic background, spent most of her life being super skinny and bony, does not have a long face, does not have pronounced hips, butt or thighs, is married to someone with Cancer Moon, earlier gushed over Capricorn and people with strong Capricorn (and how awesome her Cap dad is), has a definite "thing" for strongly Plutonian and/or Scorpio attuned people, etc = likely early Cap Rising strongly cusping Sagittarius and conjunct Sag Neptune, with ruling Planet, Saturn in Scorpio closely conjunct Pluto in Libra.

It really is as plain as day, when you have the more objective and well researched eyes to see.

I see some definite Sagittarius in her, but I see more Capricorn all in all. Or, in other words, closer to Susan than to Liv, but with a quarter or so of Liv also blending in (i.e. a little more height, features a little softer, wider mouth, not more intensely reserved, a bit more jovial and not solely super serious, etc).

posted February 18, 2020 05:08 AM            

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I don't have a cappy nose at all for example, cappy's have small piercing eyes and small sharp features and their nose are straight, my nose is very broad more in line with saggy rising trine venus in leo.

I love you picked up on the LEO, is actually my venus conjunct mars in leo TRINE my AC.

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posted February 18, 2020 06:58 AM            

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Correct, Moon in Libra, 3*. Also have Venus in the 7th in somewhat widish opposition to Asc, and Pisces S. Node in the 7th--use to be a classic, over people pleaser.

Yes, my Moon is conjunct her Sun, and my Saturn is a degree away from her Sun in same Sign.

I have no problem with her disagreeing with me about her Rising Sign. That was never an issue for me. Something else was and is.

Let's just say, that the relatively little to moderate Scorpio and Pluto I have has been triggered and is coming out right now...

"...that whole stage is personal and cannot be interfered with-no matter how well-meaning.As with all information ,it has to resonate within instead of coming exclusively "without" ...."

Indeed, and here is the irony of all this. I advised her that a good way of finding out her Asc, was to deeply meditate with the intention of connecting to expanded guidance, and ask them with no preconceptions or belief, what her Rising Sign is.

She has talked about how she listens to her gut and immediately after starts a thread polling other people's opinions.

If you haven't noticed, a number of people besides me, also think it's likely she has Cap Rising. But really, she SHOULD go within about it,and under ideal circumstances/ conditions.Not poll people's opinions.

But here's some interesting, inconvenient truths and "coinkydinks". Her husband has Cancer Moon. Cancer Moon of course would go along a lot better with Cap Rising than with Sag Rising.She has no Cancer nor Capricorn otherwise.

In synastry and chart comparisons between people that are especially close, you almost always see very strong opposite and same Signs between different personal and/or highlighted symbols.

One of the fairly common ones,is one person's Moon opposite or same Sign as the other person's Rising.

But wait, there's more... Not long ago when T. Sag Mars was conjoining her Sag Neptune, she was thinking strongly of how wonderful it would be if she could be single. Why is that interesting?

Well, she has Moon in Pisces. Getting the drift? I'll spell it out anyways. If she has Cap Rising, then she would have Cancer Desc. What rules same? The Moon. What planet rules only Pisces? Neptune.

Isn't that an interesting "coincidence" that when Mars was strongly shading into her Desc related factors, she was thinking about all this?

Here's the thing about people with really powerful Neptune. It is well known that they can often tend towards living more in a world where what they believe and want to believe is truth, damned the facts and evidence.

This is why Neptune is associated with things like escapism, self/other deception, and a host of very right brain polarized activities and attunement.

One astrology book I have, refers to Neptune as the Solar System's oldest mind altering substance. There is some definite truth to this.

This is not to say that there cannot be many positive and lovely things about very powerful Neptune attunement. Of course, but the shadow side of it, is well to keep in mind when in a debate where the truth hinges on objectivity.

Here's an example: Not long ago, she was absolutely gushing about Capricorn energy and people with strong Capricorn, how much she loved Capricorn and people with strong Capricorn.

She even started a thread about how Capricorns are secretly Cancers. She talked about how super close with and how much she loves her dad, a Capricorn Sun, who ironically has the same b-day as me (isn't THAT funny).

But now her tune has changed, when this whole, you likely have Capricorn Rising thing came up again. It changed to, I'm not event that close to people with strong Capricorn, and I always felt a disconnection with my parents.

It's actually quite amazing to me how someone can go from point A to point B with the wide gulf between same. Except when you understand powerful Neptune and the shadow expression of it's NEED to believe in what it wants to believe, facts be damned.

See, I'm unusually intuitive. I see right through people and time/distance is no factor to me. I don't usually use my abilities to criticize or get personal, but like I said, I'm less inclined to be tolerant considering what she recently did to me & the conditions around same. It felt quite hurtful to me.

I am fully aware that the loving, spiritual thing would be to forgive and forget, and just ignore.

Yet, I'm connected to a human body and with the human body package comes ego and related things like hurt feelings, etc.

I will probably let it go in the near future, but I'm still a little perturbed by it. I went from really liking her, to feeling kind of betrayed.

Her ruling Planet, Saturn in Scorpio closely conjunct Pluto has been fully revealed to me.

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Hmmm...this is very layered. Tuche.

What you said there about Cap had me thinking-A friend of mine for years has Cap Rising. My Moon in Cancer is in his 7th.

Another friend has Cancer Rising. I find our bond more fragile and very much in keeping with the troughs and peaks of the tides in the ocean i.e it waxes and then wanes.

I as an Aries rising conj Juno asteroid and don't seem to be all that drawn to Lib Moons.I don't attract a lot of Aries Moon people either.

I think you are an exception to the rule I have that Lib Moons aren't into intellectual prowess as say Gemini or Virgo Moon.

Maybe because you are the exception to the ones I run into? Most of them are pretty boy airheads tbh. And the Aries Moons are adult babies

I however recall a friend (who has since passed on) with Libra Sun conj my Desc and Aries Moon conjunct my Asc. Wow!! The connection was on point.

He was an intellectual Libra with a very provocative and interesting Aries Moon. Pity about his life choices. He was very bright.

We also had Sun/Mars double whammy I.e his Mars conj my Sun and my Sun conj his Mars. His Mercury was also square mine & conj the 7th.

My sister has Cancer Asc, she finds Cap Moon men appealing. This despite a love/hate relationship with my Dad (Cap Moon)

My little sister has Gem Asc. I haven't observed her close ties.But Saturn sqaure her Asc. So perhaps that may change things?

Another friend also has late Cap Asc-Aqua.But my Moon is in his 6th house. Not quite as close as the earlier one mentioned but we do talk a lot. I think its the easy Moon-Moon trine that keeps us close(he is Pisces moon)

****wait, you have Virgo N.Node. This is why you revel in intellectual stuff. Not to mention are quite vocal about your opinion. North node in detail oriented Virgo is in the 1st house. Duh!!

My friend who passed on with Libra Sun/Aries Moon had Gem N.Node. Hence our intellectual back/forth.

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Hmmm...this is very layered. Tuche.

What you said there about Cap had me thinking-A friend of mine for years has Cap Rising. My Moon in Cancer is in his 7th...

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When both charts are accurate to both Rising Signs, it is a super common pattern to see strong same and opposite Signs between different personal and/or very highlighted symbols between people that are particularly close, as I mentioned before. I don't know why you don't tend to attract or be attracted to Libra Moons in an astrological sense though.

It depends somewhat on people's individual attunement to the different symbols.

Carl Jung took advantage of these patterns and allegedly ran a study of putting together charts of people that were in close relationships that were mixed in charts of people not together, and supposedly got a very high accuracy rate of putting together the right couples.

I believe it considering how long I've been looking at this and seeing these patterns myself. But again, both having the correct Rising Signs is pretty important, and this is not always the case.

Literally the most verified psychic source/work in the world, the Edgar Cayce readings, talks repeatedly about the potential difference in time between physical/1st breath and the energetic/spiritual birth where the Soul completes it's energetic connections to the physical body via the endocrine glandular system. They also note, that this difference in time changes the chart. There are specific references to things like, "there was a difference between the physical and spiritual birth times, hence the confusions that often arise from the astrological viewpoint".

I suggest if folks are interested in knowing what this source was like and about, that they should read Sidney Kirkpatrick's "Edgar Cayce: An American Prophet". It is truly both a mind and heart blowing biographical account, of a very complex person, whose own guidance referred to him as a "lowly channel", and at times "stubborn" and "pig headed" and often as "an extremist" (Uranus closely conjunct his Asc).

And yet, because he went so deep within, and his personality/conscious mind became so submerged--he became a unusually undistorted channel of information flow from the higher dimensions, and constantly gave information that 1. was accurate and 2. could be verified in different ways. A lot of it medical. Truly in a league of it's own compared to every other psychic source I've ever looked at (and I've looked at a bunch from Steiner, Swedenborg, to Bailey, Blavatsky, etc, etc). The key was that deeply personality submerged state that he went into.

As far as self and self's intellectual type tendencies, it relates astrologically to a combo of different things. The main one being that my chart ruler, the Sun, is widely conjunct Mercury--that of the mind. I also have Virgo N. Node, Jupiter, Mars, and Saturn. Combined with the Cap Sun and Mercury, and their strong connection to my Asc, there is a sort of mutual reception between my strong Capricorn and moderately strong Virgo, especially since Saturn, the ruler of my Sun and Mercury is in Virgo.

However, this doesn't signify much in itself as to the mind besides some tendencies towards analytical and focused thinking i.e. a well developed/active left brain. What is more important is that both the right and left brain hemispheres are very developed and active simultaneously. This is shown in a number of ways. Jupiter is trine Mercury, the Planet that rules the Sign it's placed in with about 1/2 of a degree, and Jupiter is retrograding back into the 1st.

I.e., not only is Jupiter super highlighted in and of itself, but it's extremely tied in with the mind/mental/intellectual and in a very harmonious, comes easy and natural way. Jupiter is quite intuitive which is why it rules both Sagittarius and Pisces--two collective/Universal, intuitive, and spiritual oriented Signs. I also have very strong Neptune, strong Aquarius, angular Pisces South Node, etc. Meaning, I'm also intuitive AF at the same time of being a "brain". The combo equates to having an unusually whole brain and holistic approach to data and information wherein I can process huge amounts of information and synthesize it in a balanced, more objective way. More importantly, I can intuitively FEEL/SENSE what is more true or less true. (having Pluto in the 3rd, trine the ruler of the 3rd within minutes, relates some too).

All focused in and through that highlighted Cap Mercury very closely trine very highlighted Virgo Jupiter. And Virgo North Node firmly in the 1st. To sum it up, grounded and expanded.

No, likely not just another pretty boy, air head Libra Moon of your experiences.