posted March 11, 2020 12:39 PM            

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Originally posted by SoulOfABird:
I feel like you definitely look like a Sag rising. You don't look strict or serious like a lot of Cap risings I know of seem. Plus your face shape and general vibe (Based on the pic) come of more Sag/Jupiter. Like you would be more outgoing and friendly.

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posted March 11, 2020 12:44 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Keep in mind, whether late Sag or early Cap Asc, she also has Neptune conjunct her Asc.

Planetary energies are far stronger than Sign, and Neptune is a much "softer", more Yin, more spiritual, more psychic energy than Cap. Also, it being in Sag, brings over more Sag to the equation as well if her Asc is early Cap.

It's not a case of a middle of Sag Rising vs middle of Cap Rising, with no Planetary energy intervening. Such a case, would be much more stark, more contrasted, more clear cut.

The actual case in question is far more subtle, relative, and complex.

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posted March 12, 2020 12:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Moonbeth:
You're neither Cappy nor Sag rising, you're JLo gorgeous rising! 💖💗💕
I think you know what your rising is because it is your rising, it’s within you; but I sure do recognise that sun of yours sister, us Virgos love polling, researching and investigating 🤣, but at the end of the day on something so personal, we know how to listen to our guts first and foremost 😊😘

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hahahah You know I get that Jlo thing a lot, also have gotten that I look like Gloria Stefan who is a Virgo with Moon in Saggy and AC in Saggy. Interesting enough I have AC in Saggy and Sun in virgo and my moon is in pisces but squares Neptune in Saggy so it has a Saggy influence too.

Interesting enough JLO has a lot of placements that match the sign on my angles, she has mars in saggy, I have AC in saggy, she has venus in gemini, I have DC in gemini, she has jupiter conjunct uranus in LIBRA right on my MC in libra, she has Northnode in pisces right on my Moon, she has sun/mercury in leo and I have venus conjunct mars in leo so it kind makes sense that people feel there is a resemblance somehow...

posted March 12, 2020 12:12 AM            

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Originally posted by ULT12:
@hyp,
What is your job/career?

Offtopic question, just curious. Also, would you mind posting your chart (ignore this if it's already in this thread, I'll search after I post)?

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Mental health counselor:

Saturn rules my 2H and conjuncts Pluto in the 10H

Venus rules my 10H and 6H and conjuncts Mars in the 8H.

Chart ruler Jupiter conjunct Uranus in the 12H opposite Chiron in the 6H.

Northnode in gemini in the 6H.

posted March 12, 2020 12:30 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
You have expressed your opinion that you think I am cappy riser and I considered it and I feel you need to let it go at this point. I and others have explained to you that this is very personal thing that I must figure out for MYSELF and I feel confident I am Sagittarius riser, please respect that boundary and let it go. Learn when to not push more and let something go. We have talked about this so much and we need to get passed it, I am surprise you came back here to assert again you think I am cappy riser. I respect your opinion but you also need to respect my boundaries around this.

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Hi Hypatia,

If you read my earlier reply slowly, carefully, and objectively, you will see that I was NOT stating that you have Cap Asc nor Sag Asc, which is why I prefaced every statement with a qualifying "if", "whether", etc. The exact Rising Sign wasn't the point of my post.

SoulofaBird framed the issue in an overly simplistic way, and I was speaking to that, and pointing out that when a Planet is conjunct the Asc, it strongly changes the whole equation. Neptune is a rather different energy in many respects than both Fiery Sagittarius and Earthy Capricorn. Note, even though Sagittarius and Pisces are both ruled by Jupiter, they are in a square relationship. What's the difference? Neptune co-ruler of Pisces... Neptune is almost the epitome of Water, and in a vast, Oceanic sense.

For me, it was a teaching moment to point out some deeper levels of astrology for a forum that tends to be way too Sign based.

The irony is that I took pains to keep my wording and how I framed it as neutral as possible, and NOT stating my own beliefs on the Sign aspect of it, because I was deliberately TRYING to be respectful to you/your beliefs/your perceptions. And I still got reamed out/chastised by you.

(However, it might be worth considering the following question: what does it matter what I say or believe? And why are you trying to CONTROL me?).

On that note, I think it is a probably a good time for me to say goodbye to y'all.

posted March 12, 2020 01:17 AM            

You have had issues with moonfire, moonbeth and with me but I am trying to control YOU! it couldn't be that your pluto in the 3H is rubbing us the wrong way bc how you communicate feels controlling and like you admitted in another thread "preachy."

posted March 12, 2020 01:33 AM            

So much for calm, peaceful, understanding, etc.

Yes, telling a person what to do or not to do, is the essence of control. What else does one call it?

Geez Louise, you are quite a reactive person. I think I do agree with Sag Rising after all.

And if you want to bring in other forum members as support, evidence, or whatever manipulative b.s. you're trying to pull. Shall I point out that you had reactive run ins with both Mirage and Graham, two of the wisest, nicer, and more spiritually attuned people on this forum, who you spoke quite sharply and intolerantly to, simply because they engaged in a little, mostly impersonal, constructive criticism which your ego WAY over reacted to.

3 Strikes and you're out?

posted March 12, 2020 03:14 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Mental health counselor:

Chiron in the 6H.

Northnode in gemini in the 6H.

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posted March 12, 2020 03:29 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Keep in mind, whether late Sag or early Cap Asc, she also has Neptune conjunct her Asc.

Planetary energies are far stronger than Sign, and Neptune is a much "softer", more Yin, more spiritual, more psychic energy than Cap. Also, it being in Sag, brings over more Sag to the equation as well if her Asc is early Cap.

It's not a case of a middle of Sag Rising vs middle of Cap Rising, with no Planetary energy intervening. Such a case, would be much more stark, more contrasted, more clear cut.

The actual case in question is far more subtle, relative, and complex.

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Yeah that's why it's very difficult to guess anyone's rising sign. I was going strictly on the vibe she gave from the pic. In any case I think it is very difficult to judge based on just a pic. I think it is even more telling if we see them in person or through a video where we can see their mannerisms, the way they talk, etc. So I think if people around her describe her more sag the cap or she relates more to Sag than it's more likely to say that.
I think the person will kind of know in themselves if it feels right or not.
For example I just discovered my birthtime a couple years ago and for the longest time I had the wrong birthtime so I believed myself to be an Aries rising. Yet I felt like it didn't fit me at all. I knew it didn't seem right. Then I found out my real birthtime and turns out I was actually an Aqua rising. Although I don't completely relate to Aqua rising either, I actually thought Id be a Pisces rising based in the description, or even possibly a Cap rising, it made so much more sense than an Aries rising, and I knew it! The house placements also made more sense.

posted March 12, 2020 03:37 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Very true..there is an intern here that I have suspected is a sag riser like me for a long time and finally confirmed it a few weeks ago. I kept feeling she was ME, she has this chill optimistic energy and how she thinks and frames things is often just like me. Anyways I kept noticing these similarities about her and I, truly a kindred spirit, I feel so comfortable around her. I have two friends who are cappy risers and this did NOT happen to me with them at all.

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posted March 12, 2020 03:39 AM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
[b]This may sound weird, but you smile like a Cap ASC (but also like a Virgo). I have Cap ASC and I have a similar subtle, nice smile. We tend to not show our teeth and not over-do it. I usually don't smile in a lot of photos but when I do, I feel like I'm faking it and end up having a subtle smile.
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Some people give completely different vibes when they’re smiling. So it’s hard to guess from this picture.
However, the picture is cute. My first impression was Saggy energy. Later, I saw more serious vibes, but it could be your Virgo. I stick with Saggy for now.

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posted March 12, 2020 04:23 AM            

But...It could be the Earth influence...from your Virgo sun.

When it comes to attitude I'd say Sag Asc.

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
You have expressed your opinion that you think I am cappy riser and I considered it and I feel you need to let it go at this point. I and others have explained to you that this is very personal thing that I must figure out for MYSELF and I feel confident I am Sagittarius riser, please respect that boundary and let it go. Learn when to not push more and let something go. We have talked about this so much and we need to get passed it, I am surprise you came back here to assert again you think I am cappy riser. I respect your opinion but you also need to respect my boundaries around this.

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I'd expect a Capricorn Asc to be more domineering or assertive when they have "enemies" to deal with.

If a Cap Asc could get away with murder when dealing with there opponents....they would...

I think you handled it like a Sag Asc. whould with your post.

Plus you live in Colorado Sags. tend to have an affinity for the outdoors.

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posted March 12, 2020 01:55 PM            

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Originally posted by SoulOfABird:
Excuse my laziness but I didn't get a chance to read the whole thread yet lol but Im wondering are you unsure of your birthtime? Did you get your birthtime from your birth certificate or from words of mouth from your parents? I do definitely feel that people with the same rising just easily get along. Even if there are other energies hitting your ascendent and you approach things and come off quite different there still is this natural affinity! Or you admire how the other person comes off or their style. That's how I feel about Aaliyah who has the same rising as me! She's kind of like a role model to me.
Which leads me to wonder what house would your chart ruler fall in if your rising was Sag or Cap? I think that says A LOT as well.

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Great points! Yes I admire this intern a lot! I think she is awesome! hahahaha

I just adored her from the start lol

There was this other intern I liked a lot too who was a virgo with moon in aries and venus in leo in line with my sun in virgo with IC in aries and venus in leo, her and I would just give each other a ton of compliments bc I feel as venus in leos we show affection like that hahahaha, I would tell her "you are awesome" and then she would say "no, you are awesome" hahahaha, it was cute.

My birth certificate says 12:00PM and my mother reports I have was born at noon but closer to 1PM. For me to be a Cappy riser I would have to be born minimum at 1:15PM and that would put my AC at aries point in cappy which is hard for me to relate to aries point in cappy, my neptune would be 4 degrees away from the AC so I would feel the cappy in aries point more ect...

posted March 12, 2020 02:07 PM            

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Originally posted by DualGemV2:
I'd say you look like a cappy with the expressions.

But...It could be the Earth influence...from your Virgo sun.

When it comes to attitude I'd say Sag Asc.

I'd expect a Capricorn Asc to be more domineering or assertive when they have "enemies" to deal with.

If a Cap Asc could get away with murder when dealing with there opponents....they would...

I think you handled it like a Sag Asc. whould with your post.

Plus you live in Colorado Sags. tend to have an affinity for the outdoors.

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posted March 12, 2020 02:07 PM            

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Sag rising

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posted March 13, 2020 01:29 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Totally made me smile widely, sending you a cyber hug

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posted March 13, 2020 02:36 AM            

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Maybe its Cap Asc with Jupiter conjunct Asc ... I think you have the strength of a cardinal energy in your big 3, in all honesty I don't think an all mutable big 3 is able to get master's degree lol but also Sag is the higher education sign.
I'm confused I'll vote for Sag just because of first impression.
Anyway you're a wondurful person whether Sag or Cap Asc.

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Sagittarius values a lot school/education and getting a degree, add that SUN rules my 9H and falls in my 9H and conjuncts my MC, 9H stuff rules higher learning and MC rules career. SUN ruling the 9H and conjunct MC indicates choosing a career that requires a degree.

I did take my time big time getting my masters degree to be fair, I took a bunch of breaks and had other interesting life experiences in between, had to lose it all to get back on track on my path to been a counselor actually.

TBH I only went after my master's degree bc I have to have a master's degree to be able to practice counseling. I had to get my master's degree to follow my dream of becoming a therapist. I don't care about the title of it probably bc Uranus conjuncts my Jupiter, it was just something I had to do in order to do what I love.

Interestingly VENUS rules my MC, 6H and 5H and falls in the 8H so studying psychology was fun for me, I made sure to choose a degree that I would enjoy getting and studying.

posted March 14, 2020 11:42 AM            

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I did take my time big time getting my masters degree to be fair, I took a bunch of breaks and had other interesting life experiences in between, had to lose it all to get back on track on my path to been a counselor actually.

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OMG...you are definitely a sag rising.

I had a sag sun instructor tell me to do exactly the same thing...in the same words.

She suggested I take a break and start again.

I think we can prove your a Sag rising not by appearance but the way you reason like a sag riser.

posted March 30, 2020 03:24 PM            

I'll use this thread to discuss your Chart, instead of derailing whatever thread. You can repost your Chart for others to follow along.

Saturn is right on the H10/H11 divide, being in H11. Which do you identify more with?

If I may give some commentary: You do seem very "career"-centric, which fits Saturn-10(Saturn = focus/dedication, "hard work", concentrated effort), but perhaps your life experience which I don't know fits Saturn-11(basically few friends/a feeling of disconnection from or small social groups??). Unfortunately MC-conj-Sun may explain the careerism not Saturn-10 so...

I would bet everything you are not a Cap ASC, but your careerism+Chart Ruler-10 would be a shoe-in. Does Chart Ruler-12 fit? Personally I don't know because I don't know how to NOT interpret significant H12 w/ heavy Neptune as not "drugs" - which doesn't seem like you at all but idk your life history.

edit: Is it possible for your Jupiter to be in H11 while still ASC-Sag?

edit 2: Clarifying the ""drugs"" comment, all I meant was that H12+/heavy Neptune very, very commonly points to that kind of lifestyle. Not that it can't represent/be something else, but that it's just rare/uncommon for 'drug lifestyle'/whatever to not be the way H12+/heavy Neptune manifests. For example, there's an uber Pisces here with ASC Ruler-12 and Neptune-conj-Moon to boot in H12 to boot even more!, and she has the 'love for faraway distant lands, retired personality and/or removed from actual current life/place/space' ASC Ruler-12 trope down pat... and I assume is not involved with the 'drug lifestyle'.

posted March 31, 2020 12:35 PM            

"When Jupiter is in the 12th house of a natal chart, its beneficial rays guarantee protection and generally soften most difficult traits that the house represents in the native’s life. The 12th house is ruled by Pisces and planet Neptune, and is strongly connected with places of restriction. Jupiter here may bring some type of involvement with institutions such as monasteries, hospitals, and prisons.

This placement makes the native a very compassionate person, willing to offer his services in order to comfort others. The presence of Jupiter here gifts a great intuition and a thirst to expand in the fields of psychology and healing.

As the twelfth house is responsible for both the collective subconscious and the individual’s deeper layers, Jupiter here will expand knowledge and will need less effort to understand the hidden functions of the human mind. A person with such a placement can even get deep into metaphysical studies, while the benefic planet grants protection from malicious supernatural attacks and accidents during roaming the inner fields of minds or the outer areas of reality."

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Then add my Jupiter conjuncts Uranus. Once I have my own private practice I will integrate astrology to my counseling to support growth. Facilitating healing through past life regression would be cool too actually. I also enjoy the idea of doing hospice work and like to work with addiction. My caseload is pretty diverse though which is nice.

9H/Jupiter is higher learning, education obtained formally

3H/Mercury is things you learn that are self taught like in my case astrology

Uranus rules my 3H, I combine my degree in psychology and my self taught knowledge in astrology to help others.

Jupiter brings light to the 12th house and is a protective factor, unlikely to lead to addiction in the context of substance abuse but I did struggle a long time with addiction to a fantasy of romantic love, to this grass is greener on the other side mindset which I have transmuted and worked through.

I will respond in a little about my saturn in the 11th house with pluto ruling my 11th...