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Topic: GODZALA: the moan thread
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PeaceAngel
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posted June 26, 2009 06:50 AM
 
Wow. Thanks bm.  That really means a lot.I like to think I'm giving, but you can never be sure that you are seen the way you think (or hope) - that your intentions come across. I'm one of those that doesn't see themselves clearly. I always err on the side that thinks that I'm an idiot. So when someone says something kind like that it gives me insight into how other people see me and that's surprising. My internal dialogue speaks more negatively so that really means a lot. Thanks. I really value that you said that. It means that you get me. And that's priceless to me.  IP: Logged |
blue moon
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posted June 26, 2009 07:05 AM
You're welcome.
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AcousticGod
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posted June 26, 2009 10:40 AM
I have so much to comment on about the 7th, but I can't write it all on my cell on the way to work, and work will likely be very busy today. Here are some more questions. Does the 7th reflect how we negotiate with people? Are these the characteristics we most long to share with people? Does the contents of the house describe the areas we're most likely to be disappointed by people? I think I could make a case for all of these things being true of the house.IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted June 26, 2009 10:56 AM
After writing all that and contemplating those questions, I think I might be starting to grasp the nature of the house more. If all of those questions are indeed part of what the 7th is about, then it makes sense that it's both the house of partnership as well as the house of enemies, because it would seem that the things that bind you to people can also describe the things that really turn you off about people.IP: Logged |
blue moon
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posted June 26, 2009 12:21 PM
It's helping me work it out, too. I'll get back to you on these questions when my health has perked up. IP: Logged |
blue moon
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posted June 26, 2009 03:46 PM
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Does the 7th reflect how we negotiate with people? Are these the characteristics we most long to share with people? Does the contents of the house describe the areas we're most likely to be disappointed by people?
The 7th is about partnership, it makes sense to me that this involves negotiation, co-operation and extends into business relationships as well as the more personal type. Having to co-operate with other people involves compromise and by its very nature is going to bring in an element of disappointment. We have to give up something of ourselves for the other. Maybe there are times this is a pleasure but quite often I think disappointment is inevitable. Personally, there are times I feel disappointed with myself and ask: should I have gone along with that? It can feel false, but it is the only way to procede. Maybe that is having to be mediocre... or having to endure condom sex.  Resentment towards the person who put you in that situation might be part of the disappointment. Characteristics we long to share.. I don't know, maybe there is a need here to join with another person, for two to become one. It's a strong urge. Not necessarily sexual. With Mercury there is a strong leaning towards the need for a meeting of minds. I don't know if you will agree with that, I suspect you may. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted June 26, 2009 05:55 PM
There's a lot of talk about the 7th being a house of projection. It's what we project onto others, but really possess ourselves.I have trouble with that idea, because I can't conceive of NOT possessing my three planets there. Do I project a mind (Mercury) on to others while not having my own? I don't think so. I'm pretty certain I can think just fine on my own. Do I project a value of beauty, equality, and fairness (Venus) on to others more than I express these things myself? Again, I don't think so. I don't see these as hidden shadow elements of my nature. In a sense I can see using the term in that I may project this element from myself to another person to see if a reflection comes back. I think that if a reasonable semblance of what I put out comes back, then I probably find an affinity with that person. Similarly, if what I project comes back to my severely distored there will be a discord between myself and the person I'm projecting on. In this way I find out my open enemies, because clearly the values being sent by me clash with the values being sent back to me. In this way, it seems to me as if the negotiation is ongoing all the time even at a subconscious level. We're always noticing what values are being directed at us, and deciding whether they line up with our own. Perhap those of us with a concentration in the 7th are more intensely ingrained in this process. Perhaps our planets in the 7th intensify the search for the particular qualities of those planets in other people. Maybe we have more of a need of categorizing people according to our values. The 7th is a Cardinal/angular house, so there could very well be a goal or a purpose involved for the person using this house. _______________________________ IP: Logged |
meta_4
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posted June 26, 2009 06:22 PM
So, i went to my new university yesterday to pick out classes... and while i was there some lovely, long-legged, librarian-looking lass came into the lecture hall and started speaking about Study Abroad programs."StAb" as they like to call it. Well, when she started talking about the London program the first thing that popped into my head was BM. Wondering if i might bump into her. Wondering what she was up to. This of course shocked me- not because i don't love her madly, but because i was surprised i wasn't thinking about putting Ralph Fiennes in very compromising positions! Now that's true love... IP: Logged |
meta_4
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posted June 26, 2009 06:27 PM
I'm at "work" right now. Totally bored. I can feel my eyes getting heavy- you know, that dreadful feeling when your body is in sleep-mode but your brain is trying to resist! Hate that. I've just been sitting here thinking about how i haven't spoken to you gals in FOREVER. How we haven't had any of our perverted talks in ages. This saddens me. Where are the semi-nude photos of brawny men? Where are the dirty jokes? The making fun of one another? WHERE ARE THE "ROFLs"???? I'm just being nostalgic i suppose. I don't mean to be a downer! Much love to you, my b1tches and wh0res. IP: Logged |
blue moon
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posted June 26, 2009 07:02 PM
Still thinking over AG's observations.  IP: Logged |
blue moon
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posted June 26, 2009 07:04 PM
Aw, for that, I better try and find you some semi-naked Rafe pictures. IP: Logged |
koiflower
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posted June 26, 2009 08:49 PM
Believe me, I do think about you, Ms Meta!!!! AND I expect you to check in regularly to keep us informed of your whereabouts. When you do arrive in London for a STAB, I will be expecting you to check in on your progess with the real love of your life, bluemoon. Dirty jokes for meta.... Q: Why did the chicken cross the road, roll in the dirt and cross the road again?
A: Because it was a dirty double crosser. Q: What is the difference between a Soil Scientist and a Dirt Doctor?
A: About $85,000. What did the pebble say to the big rock. "Some day do you think I'll ever be a little boulder?"
Semi naked men pic for meta.... 
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koiflower
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posted June 26, 2009 08:55 PM
It's valuable reading everyone's insights in how you all deal with people around you. Personally, I really don't think it's easy being around a lot of people, unless they have an element of Peace within themselves.Lately, I've been experiencing some people in a way that AG's describes his 7th house synastry. quote:
In a sense I can see using the term in that I may project this element from myself to another person to see if a reflection comes back. I think that if a reasonable semblance of what I put out comes back, then I probably find an affinity with that person. Similarly, if what I project comes back to my severely distored there will be a discord between myself and the person I'm projecting on. In this way I find out my open enemies, because clearly the values being sent by me clash with the values being sent back to me. In this way, it seems to me as if the negotiation is ongoing all the time even at a subconscious level. We're always noticing what values are being directed at us, and deciding whether they line up with our own.
Working around a a lot of people in a complex environment can be rewarding and energizing, but it can take that one bitter, ego-orientated soul to cause that negative ripple feeling. There is one negative soul I work with, and I almost feel the need to cleanse my aura when she's around. But then there are those souls that are an absolute delight to be around IP: Logged |
blue moon
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posted June 27, 2009 02:02 AM
Reflection and projection. I think I see what you are saying. This trivial example is the one that sprang to mind:- Starting off working on a project with two other people involved I began politely pointing out errors of grammar and punctuation in work produced Mercury CNJ Saturn in Taurus . One of these individuals said he didn't mind, because of the way it was done. Venus taking control managing to be polite and tactful The other ignored my comments and carried on with the errors. I started to be more blunt and he started to tell me it wasn't his problem and anyway I should mind my own business. Now here I can see 3rd house Mars start to take control of the situation and things get less harmonious. The one who didn't mind said he would prefer to work with someone who cared about the English language. I never criticised him directly just suggested changes. As we continued in our working partnership he started just to hand me over things to proof-read. We got along well enough and it didn't harm that our work got turned out with minimal errors (leaving aside content). The other one still resents my comments. Not that I have ever said directly that he has shoddy standards, but I can see the time may arrive. Even in personal relationships I notice people who take care on these kind of details. We've seen that on here in LL. It's just one small aspect of the Mercury projection vibe. It might not be attractive, but presentation of words and writing are important to me, even here I can't resist the edit button. I confess that I spend hours composing emails so they read just right. I wrote something for work that was based on something quite personal. Someone changed it with something off the cuff, riddled with spelling mistakes and poor punctuation. It made my blood boil. To connect to in the way you are describing I think they would really need to understand this character quirk. IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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posted June 27, 2009 05:19 AM
 Totally understood and agreed bm. It's quite simple. People will heed what you say more if they can understand you.This was very prominent to me viewing a P Diddy interview with Oprah. He may rap, but he can't string two words of the English language together as far as I can hear. I wanted to watch it. I just couldn't. It grated that much. I think Pluto in Virgo in 6th, inconjunct Mercury, may have something to do with it. I'm not anal about it though and I know I'm far from grammatically brilliant, but I will try. IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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posted June 27, 2009 06:07 AM
Should it be a matter of concern when the peas are your favourite part of the meal?IP: Logged |
blue moon
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posted June 27, 2009 07:09 AM
I like peas. IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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posted June 27, 2009 07:13 AM
I wonder if he likes peas?  IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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posted June 27, 2009 07:14 AM
Hey, all I'm sayin' is.....  IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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posted June 27, 2009 07:43 AM
Em ponders............. reflecting his twinflame. Where is DD?  IP: Logged |
blue moon
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posted June 27, 2009 07:46 AM
Got to go out now. LL has kept me sane this week. Love to all.  IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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posted June 27, 2009 07:50 AM
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PeaceAngel
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posted June 27, 2009 07:52 AM
........and when you return.....  IP: Logged |
koiflower
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posted June 28, 2009 07:31 AM
Anyone there? I need a friend.Why is the Universe punishing me? After all I've been through these last few years and now someone has come onto the scene and is 'bully-bashing' me on her website. She doesn't know I read it, and my colleagues are aware of it too. Get me away from her. She doesn't know me from a bar of soap - and she should count her lucky stars that I'm working in advocacy of her family member. IP: Logged |
koiflower
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posted June 28, 2009 09:54 AM
Oh well, I'll just ask for a transfer - I'm not the only one she's cyber-bullying. It doesn't have to be my problem. deep breathIP: Logged |
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