posted September 28, 2009 08:16 AM         

yes, I remember that quote now.
That is really something about the Magi`s that I don`t like, they say something, set it as a rule, and then twist it to make it fit to another case.
But that is not the discussion here.

posted September 28, 2009 08:26 AM         

Benedict Choc - I haye to say this but Europe is not a punishment, it's a hell of a lot nicer than th USA and you both sound like witches who wanna do voodoo on RP and burn him at the stake!!

WTF?

posted September 28, 2009 10:44 AM         

Eris: 21°38 Aries
Sedna:21°51 Taurus
Varuna:21°48 Cancer
Mars: 20°19 Cancer
Chiron:21°46 Aquarius

Only Mars and Varuna are not retograde."

Glaucus,

what does that mean?
That things will get even more heated, as Mars is approaching 21 degrees?

Yeah, very likely.

I don't like Mars-Varuna square Eris that seems like major sh-t can go down. I am not referring to the Polanski stuff. There could an event that can lead to many people to being angry and want justice. I wonder about Chiron square Sedna. Could that be a significant natural disaster.

I didn't know about Chiron's position. damn square my Venus in 21'47 Scorpio. yeah, seems like revisiting old love,relationship wounds. Transiting retro Sedna oppose my Venus could fit in there, but there is spiritual dimension to the transit,and so I should work with that. The same with transiting Mars-Varuna trine my Venus and conjunct my retro Orcus in 22'28 Cancer in 11th.

His transits and secondary progressions fit very well with his arrest.

Transiting Saturn-Makemake conjunct his Venus-Jupiter in 12th and square his secondary progressed Venus doesn't look good at all. Then add his Sun square Saturn in progressed chart. It looks like a strong possibility of getting prison time. Transiting Varuna conjunct his Moon-Pluto in 10th seems like justice to me.

Here is some stuff on Varuna

I like the stuff that Mark Andrew Holmes wrote:

20000 Varuna is a Kuiper Belt asteroid(orbiting beyond the orbit of Neptune), with a period of 284 years, 315 days. It was discovered at 10 Cancer 29 on 28 November 2000 at 9:51 a.m. MST at Kitt Peak Observatory near Sells, AZ by Robert S. McMillan, who named it for the Hindu god of the waters, who preceded the storm-god Indra as king of the gods. Once, Varuna ruled the sky as well, but after a great war between the Vedic gods and demons, the gods decided that each should be assigned a clearly defined sphere of influence to avoid future conflicts. Varuna got the waters of the earth to rule and Indra got the sky. Varuna sits with his wife Varuni on a throne of diamonds and the deities of the rivers, lakes, and springs of the world form his court. Varuna is the custodian of the various demons of the ocean. He is also associated with clouds and rain, and is credited with sustaining life by virtue of giving rain and crops. Varuna is often shown as a fair-skinned man who rides either a crocodile, or a monstrous fish named Makara which has an antelope's head and legs, or a chariot drawn by seven swans; he holds a serpent, a noose, a conch shell and a vessel of gems in each of his four hands. The noose is in one of his right hands. He is sometimes described as having a thousand eyes with which he oversees the whole world, or as encompassing the entire world. Varuna means "he who covers" in Sanskrit.

Varuna, Vedic god of the waters.

Keywords for asteroid Varuna, to me, include judgment, judgmentalism, inquisition, moralizing, justice, hugeness, grandness, grandiosity, bombast, pompousness, egotism, immortality, global, unforgettable, apocalyptic visions.
http://markandrewholmes.com/varuna.html

In my own chart:
whole sign house

retro Varuna in 3'01 Gemini in 10th
conjunct retro 5th/6th house ruler Saturn in 5'08 Gemini in 10th
oppose Neptune in 1'48 Sagittarius in 7th
trine Pluto in 0'51 Libra in 2nd
square 11th house ruler Moon in 3'11 Pisces in 7th

as you see, I have retrograde Varuna involved in a t-square. Therefore, if I do the crime, I will end up doing big time. The retrograde Varuna might indicate possibility of pastlives that I have been involved in major issues with judgment and justice too.
My mom being shot with my being with her at the time is one of the factors that led to my strong belief that violent criminals should get very harsh punishments and my belief in the death penalty which I don't have any more.
Varuna being a transneptunian, can indicate possibility of trauma that leaves an unforgettable mark on the psyche. Transneptunians in general are intense,transformational.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted September 28, 2009 10:56 AM         

" don't like Mars-Varuna square Eris that seems like major sh-t can go down."
Yes, I thought so, too. Varuna is a water-god, right?

"There could an event that can lead to many people to being angry and want justice. I wonder about Chiron square Sedna. Could that be a significant natural disaster."
Yes, maybe.
Last week I was having a VERY bad feeling, about either a gigantic natural catastrophe (earthquake) or accident (I had to think of planes) or what kept coming back to me was that horrendous thought of a terroristic attack, maybe even involving planes.
I don`t know if I am just revisiting old images in my subconsciousness, but last week I was literally feel "the earth rumble beneath my feet".
Maybe I am just irrational though. But I have a VERY bad feeling in regards to more mundane events, and no I am not talking about Polanski either.

"didn't know about Chiron's position. damn square my Venus in 21'47 Scorpio."
My own Chiron is on 20°02 Aries, so it is just out of orb of all that tension. At least I hope it is.
Of course my Sun-Moon-mp is on 21°32 Capricorn, so it is fully involved here. At least with the Varuna-Mars-conjunctiono.
For me it definitely had to do with resiviting my concept of Yin-Yang.

" yeah, seems like revisiting old love,relationship wounds. Transiting retro Sedna oppose my Venus could fit in there, but there is spiritual dimension to the transit,and so I should work with that. The same with transiting Mars-Varuna trine my Venus."
Yes, I think it is always good to work with it on a spiritual level, especially with Transneptunians and this evolutionary dimension.

I donīt like that Tr Eris is so close to my Chiron and squaring my Sun-Moon-mp and Vertex though.

posted September 28, 2009 11:14 AM         

Good points, Choc.

posted September 28, 2009 11:22 AM         

that is very interesting about Varuna.

in my chart I have that strange connection:
Varuna: 6°08 Gemini
Fama: 6°51 Gemini
Draco Moon: 6°58 Gemini
DESC: 7°01 Gemini

Mars: 5°10 Sag

Venus: 6°07 Capricorn

Not sure, what that could mean, but it looks ominous.

EDIT:
I looked up Lilith, as she was known as a storm demon in Babylonian (as Lilitu) and with all these storms, natural and psychological, going on I thought it might show astrologically.

Tr Lilit is on 27°54 Leo
Tr Fama is on 26°22 Leo

Transit True BML is on 25°54 Capricorn
Transit Nodes are on 27°55 Capricorn

BTW the asteroid ROMAN will be exactly conjunct VARUNA on 8th october, and there are exact aspects to:

sextile Venus
quinkunx Chiron
sextile Sedna

posted September 28, 2009 11:32 AM         

I re-edited my post
please check out.

Varuna is said to be the God of the waters. He was the supreme Indian God until he was demoted and Vishnu took his place.

don't worry about Eris. It's not a bad thing.

on the positive side, it can be experiences,insights,lessons that help you consider viewpoints that are divergent from yours, help with being tolerant of diversity, and believe/promote equality.

that's whole point of Eris in Astrology.
It's not necessarily about discord,troublemaking,nor causing disturbance. It's about looking at things from different sides and angles, and seeing that there can be truth from all of them and not just some of them or just one of them. It's the view of what's right and what's wrong is what lead to fighting,wars,and violence. Just because somebody is not with you in your ideology,doesn't mean that they are against you. Instead of arguing about a point, you can agree to disagree without coming to conclusions that one is right and the other is wrong.

in The Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve were said to eat the forbidden fruit. It was said that the fruit that they ate made them think of what's right and what's wrong. It was said to see certain things as good,true and certain things as bad,false.

The Tower of Babel is another story of divisiveness. Different languages divided them and caused confusion and they split from each other. It's the Tower of Babel story in the bible that was used to condone segregation and interracial relationship bans.

It was at a wedding (Libra), that Eris threw the apple that said to the fairest (Venus,Libra), and it was to Aphrodite, Paris awarded the apple.

Eris perihelion is in Libra
Eris North Node is in Taurus
both signs ruled by Venus.

Eris aphelion is in Aries
Eris South Node is in Scorpio
both signs ruled by Mars (considering Mars as co-ruler)

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted September 28, 2009 11:44 AM         

doing transit-wise and Polanski's natal

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted September 28, 2009 11:52 AM         

quote:

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seems to me this guy paid for this crime his whole life

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Oh I am sorry Lara for not defending a pedo, I have zero tolerance for that kind of people. Too bad, I thought you were smarter than that.

Here's "inspiration" for you http://geekslovesex.com/roman-polanski-underage-rape-trial-transcript

PS:

posted September 28, 2009 12:18 PM         

Good observation, katatonic.

That would mean that the Mars-Varuna in Cancer is squaring Switzerland's Uranus and and retrograde Eris is conjuncting Switzerland's Uranus.

damn ....transits really work!.....even for countries!

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted September 28, 2009 12:23 PM         

I did not realize he was a repeat offender. I thought it was an isolated incident. has he had other crimes against minors that were not listed here?

which he spent many years ostracized for. his awards were professional merits, which have nothing to do with his crime.

have you ever done anything wrong that you have not been punished for? and who should decide how much punishment is enough? i think it has affected him for many years, I am betting he regrets the actions that day...

i think even people say they have no regrets actually do regret an action or two in thier life. whether they admit it or not.

posted September 28, 2009 12:36 PM         

Themis in 9'54 Pisces R in 6th
oppose Neptune in 9'24 Virgo in 12th

Karma in 11'23 Cancer in 10th
quincunx Saturn in 12'08 Aquarius R in 5th

Transits during yesterday's arrest:

Transiting Themis in 27'22 Scorpio in his 2nd
square Natal Lunar Nodes in 28'36 Leo in 5th/Aquarius in 11th

Transiting Astraea in 23'49 Capricorn in his 4th
oppose his Pluto in 23'51 Cancer in 10th
square his Mars in 24'59 Libra in 1st

I use whole sign house system for now on

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted September 28, 2009 12:46 PM         

the topic got moved here because the discussion ended up getting non-astrological

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted September 28, 2009 12:50 PM         

but i don't think anyone else has ever accused him of statutory rape (i hate that term for some reason)...he admitted, apparently, in his autobio, to being attracted to young girls.

speaking of which i remember travelling in spain when i was about 25, and some schoolboys came on the bus, about 10 years old - one of them was just the most exquisitely beautiful human i have ever laid eyes on. fell in love right there on the spot. did i talk to him? well i said hello and smiled, but never in my wildest dreams did i imagine having sex with him. i just loved that he was so ineffably "perfect".

my point - being enamoured of young girls is not so much a perversion as an appreciation of qualities they lose as they get older, more experienced, even jaded...acting on those feelings is what gets you in trouble. i don't know that polanski ever acted on them in any other situation, and it is questionable that he realized this girl was under age in the first place...

posted September 28, 2009 01:04 PM         

"Here's "inspiration" for you http://geekslovesex.com/roman-polanski-underage-rape-trial-transcript "

Thanks for posting that. I read it,and it made me sick. Man...if I had a 13 year old daughter, and that happened to her, I'd feel tempted to kill the man.

another thing

If he was an average male with no wealth nor fame,he wouldn't even had a plea
bargain. If he was black, his butt would probably still be in prison.

in some states between 1930's and 1960's,90 percent of rapists executed for
rape were black. http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/16/scotus.execution/index.html

I believe that all rapists should have harsh punishments. not the death
penalty though.

any ways...there has always been racial disparities when it comes to not only punishments for rape but also punishments for crime in general.

I believe that the punishment should fit the crime for all criminals.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"