posted September 29, 2009 07:37 PM         

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and forgive me benedict moon, but it is you who appears to be all for stoning the guy!

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Again with the words into my mouth? Where did I say anywhere that 'OMGZ he should be stoned!'? Can you pull up the exact quote please?

Yes, pedophilia/rape/drugging and sodomising someone against their will is a very black and white issue for me and I won't apologize for that, ever. I am not projecting any personal issues incase someone wants to accuse me of that again (LARA). I have never brought up any of personal experiences in this thread so I don't know why I should be accused of making this thread about ME over and over again.

Also: I will repeat again, so that there is no confusion over my words, that my idea of justice is him getting the same treatment by the justice system as all the average Joes who have committed similar offenses. Yes, alot of my opinion has alot to do with his status....after he got off the first time BECAUSE of that one little detail and no one will convince me otherwise.

Since we've all been making stupid assumptions I'll throw out another one of mine: some people are acting like what he did was as serious as a freaking traffic violation, which makes me question if it's because he IS Roman Polanski. If this was an average Joe would you be so intensely defending him? Like I said before, I merely stated my own opinion first and then I was attacked, that's why I've ended up wasting my time in this thread for the past 2 or so days and not because I actually give a damn about him.

posted September 29, 2009 07:38 PM         

I quite like the 5th Century - i toook it as a compliment

Your post is spot on though. It's almost a hitler mentality.
"agree with me or damn you to hell"

posted September 29, 2009 07:45 PM         

Benedict, I never saw anyone on here saying the man shouldn't be getting the same treatment. It's got nothing to do with his status, just the convoluted details and the history of the thing - that's the only thing which is making some people pause. I would extend the same courtesy to any average joe in regards to the case. I would hope that we all just think about the situation and look at the facts - all of them, not just the ones we feel strongly about.

posted September 30, 2009 05:01 AM         

Hands up everyone who was actually there?

posted September 30, 2009 05:05 AM         

I'm really sorry that what started as brilliant astrological research got derailed. The astrological reflection is fascinating. This could have been a really good thread to show that astrology really works.

YEAH astrology.

posted September 30, 2009 12:32 PM         

The "details" in this case are pretty damn clear. Certain "special" people don't seem to get it though.

Everyone fancies young girls http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/michaeldeacon/100011795/roma n-polanski-everyone-else-fancies-little-girls-too/

We don't know all the details, it wasn't "rape-rape" http://thefeministtexican.wordpress.com/2009/09/28/assholes-of-the-day- whoopi-goldberg-melissa-gilbert/

Some articles that actually make sense http://jezebel.com/5370356/letters-from-hollywood-roman-polanskis-rape-of-child-no -big-thing http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/feature/2009/09/28/polanski_arrest/

PS. From Eugene Robinson's editorial in the Washington Post:

"It's irrelevant what the victim thinks and feels as a grown woman. What's important is what she thought and felt at age 13, when the crime was committed. Those who argue that there's something unjust about Polanski's arrest are essentially accepting his argument that it's possible for a 13-year-old girl, under the influence of alcohol and drugs, to "consent" to sex with a man in his 40s"

PS2. He was f______ Nastassja Kinski when she was 15 and he was 40+. Yeah.

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Your post is spot on though. It's almost a hitler mentality.
"agree with me or damn you to hell"

It's highly emotive because a lot of people prefer to bury issues and live in De Nile, until the subject is mentioned and all the anger raises its ugly head like smaug exiting the mountainside.

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It's not a matter of whether one agrees or disagrees with you and the other fella here. We're talking about facts here.

posted September 30, 2009 01:23 PM         

what do you....choc.... think about her mother saying she is 18 and letting her go with him on more than one occasion unaccompanied by an adult?

what do you ....choc.... think about oj simpson out playing golf every day and free man walking, with a civil suit payout (basic admission of resposibility) to the family of the brutally murdered nicole brown simpson???

I don't think anyone is saying she was not victimised...just that the circumstances are a bit fishy...or murky... and he is an old man now and is it really worth it?

why do you think, if she lied about her age, accepted alcohol. willingly posed nude, and accepeted a pill, why do you think she is honest about saying, no no no. when he put his penis inside her? was she just mad about the anal and then called it rape? that could be the case.

are you a mother choc? would you let your child pretend to be 18 and leave with a strange man for pictures? seriously? how foolish of her mother not to see the danger in that.

you don't let, or worse, help, your kid climb in the tiger den and then sue the zoo keeper for his tiger mauling your child.

i think a lot of these types of cases would have not happened if the parents paid attention to what the hell is going on. and I am not a cold hearted person. I have been through much and I have seen much. her mother should have protected her, just like my mother should have protected me. you don't leave your daughter with creepy older men. WTF. telling she is 18 is the icing on the cake. and how do you know she said. no. no. no. ? you don't.

some sleeping dogs are best left to lay. is it really worth the money and time and effort to string him up good? i guess if you are vindictive enough...maybe..there is a statute of limitations on certain things, and i for one could have gone after an old man for his crimes, but dont really see the point now as he is dead, and it is beyond over.

plus the fact that your sins come back to haunt you enough in your age, the self imposed hell, i heard during death of an abuser i know, tormented for days on his deathbed...and while confident he is in "hell" what more punishment could i give or seek? even to one that hurt me, i thought it would make me happy, his death....but it just made me sad. sometimes, you just have to let stuff go. and trust me that is something i learned, not my natural instinct.

posted September 30, 2009 02:13 PM         

i'm sure there is a site called lynch.com somewhere for your entertainment.

YOU DON"T KNOW WHO F'S WHO SWEETIE AND YOU WERE NOT THERE SO GIVE IT A REST.

unless of course your name is nastasia kinsski..you are just gossiping.

for the record: our penal system was put in place to deter people from crime, procure justice for the victims, and keep perps off the street.

so far it hasn't worked too well, but this particular victim has recovered (and had a much wealthier life as a result of) and buried this case. the perp is "off the street" so to speak,

as for deterrent, it doesn't seem to work all that well does it?

posted September 30, 2009 02:24 PM         

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Polanski stood in a Santa Monica courtroom on Aug. 8, 1977, admitted to having his way with a girl three decades his junior and told a judge that indeed, he knew she was only 13.

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Honestly, I don't understand why there is a focus on the mother. She did not make good decisions as a parent, but that doesn't mean her daughter deserved to be raped. My parents made what could have been bad decisions simply in letting me spend the night at a friend's house. Her mother was dating a friend of Polanski, who vouched for him as a trustworthy guy. Polanski said he was going to take photos for French Vogue. The mother was fine with her daughter being photographed by Polanski, and she didn't supervise. Bad decisions and bad parenting does not equal "anything that happens is okay and she deserves it." *phew* Sorry if that comes across as ranty-rant, but I'm frustrated by all the shiny things being thrown out to distract from real issues.

posted September 30, 2009 03:09 PM         

no, but her bad decision led to the circumstances that enabled her child to be raped. had she said no way. none of this would have happened to her daughter. she indeed endangered her daughter.

and yes, parents shouldn't let thier kids run to other peoples houses for overnights. my kids were not allowed to spend the nights with friends. thier friends could stay at our house. BECAUSE I did not take chances with my kids.

posted September 30, 2009 03:25 PM         

in the case i witnessed, the girls eventually admitted to LYING. it happens. the sex was consensual and i think it depends on the case whether sex with a minor is rape or not.

if you've copped a plea bargain, admitting to sleeping with a minor is part of the deal. it doesn't mean you actually raped her.

plea bargaining has ALWAYS seemed like a corrupt practice to me, but one which is used every day in every courtroom across the country. when the accused is a wealthy man paying damages is also very common.

there will be plenty of greasy palms by the time this is over, whether he stays out or gets put in jail.

i'm not defending him because i don't know the facts either. but it alarms me to see people equally ignorant crying for blood!

posted October 01, 2009 03:52 AM         

Points made by two of my friends online:

People keep saying the VICTIM wants to drop it.
How would you feel if justice couldn't be served for 30 years? Wouldn't you just want it to go away? Would you want to get your hopes that this disgusting child rapist would finally get what he deserves?

Roman Polanski admits the rape of a 13 year old girl, then flees the country like the weak douchebag that he is and shows no remorse but settles in Europe and continues his successful career. Now after his long overdue arrest, people jump to his defense from all over the place.
Michael Jackson gets accused of molesting a 13 year old boy, goes to court, claims innocence and never gets convincted, however, there was a huge witch hunt coming from all over the place that nearly destroyed his career.

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The behaviour of the mother makes her culpable as well, it doesn't absolve Polanski. And I've said it before, the victim's various assorted statements are obviously influenced either by her need to finally leave all this behind her or by the fact she got what probably was a huge amount of money after the civil case was settled. Her feelings are irrelevant at this point. The fact is, she testified she said no. So it was rape.
Furthermore, Polanski is on the record admitting he knew she was 13 at the time he raped her and agreeing that he understood that the plea bargain was not binding on the court and that the judge would be the one to ultimately decide what would happen to him.

There is nothing to debate about here. The facts are clear. He's a fugitive child rapist and noone is above the law. Period.
I'm flabbergasted and disgusted of how much victim blaming is going on in this board.
Shame on you.

posted October 01, 2009 04:39 AM         

The edge of bitterness in your posts which you subconsciously bring into the discussion from your own personal experience, which should be controllable.

"douchebag" for example.

How can you can someone, 5 million times more talented than yourself and myself, a douchebag.
So disrespectful and stinks of resentment.

Remember, success is given to those whom actually do something right so it is kinda hypocritical to label him as you do. Maybe when you become the next Oprah Winfrey you can judge as you do, until then perhaps you can stick to the FACTS (as you call them) without all the 'i'm a victim and i'm not over it so he can rot in hell' additives.

posted October 01, 2009 04:52 AM         

***sits back eating popcorn***

Okay - ready for next round. Who's up next? (for my viewing pleasure)