posted September 28, 2009 01:33 PM         

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Benedict Choc - I haye to say this but Europe is not a punishment, it's a hell of a lot nicer than th USA and you both sound like witches who wanna do voodoo on RP and burn him at the stake!!

WTF?

Do you not agree that a therapist is a good place to let out all this anger because one can't have both an intellectual conversation and be angry! It's impossible and it's really boring

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Way to patronize, Lara, but I'm not angry....just amazed that some of us here *cough*you*cough* still have a 7th Century State of Mind. And if that's the case, I can infer that Europe can be no better than us with the way you think.

posted September 28, 2009 01:41 PM         

that aside

that 13 year old girl being left with that man doesn't justify rape any kind of way. "No" means "No."

It doesn't matter how old she looked or that he thought she was actually older, she still said "No". It was not consensual.

I don't believe that there should have been a plea bargain in the first place. He should have been treated like any average person that is a rapist..no matter if they are black,white,Native American,Hispanic,Asian etc. It shouldn't matter if he was middle class,upper class,or lower class. It shouldn't matter if man or woman.
Equal Rights, equal responsibilities,equal punishment.

my condolences to all that have suffered from sexual abuse...not just here in this forum but everywhere.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted September 28, 2009 02:01 PM         

a young man of my acquaintance, aged 19, was fingered for statutory rape (and some rather more serious charges too) by a young girl, 14 or 15, and apprehended. her parents were going through a divorce at the time. her story was not really watertight but a friend of hers admitted to also having sex with this guy.

his lawyer sensed the girl was looking for attention and a way to get her parents back together, but realized that this young haitian man would not be able to tolerate the prison sentence that might come if he were convicted, so he worked out a plea bargain.

as the case transpired it turned out the girl WAS lying but by then boy had admitted to having sex with these two girls, both underage...and he was given a short sentence in the local jail.

however he was haitian and the INS picked him up and put him on hold for TWO YEARS in ins detention centers (prison to you all) while he fought deportation. he was eventually released during a periodic amnesty the INS indulges in to appease its critics for holding innocent people indefinitely.

had he been naturalized before this case took place, he would have served two months in his local jailhouse, a fairly easy place to hang, and been free.

the morals of this story: even young broke black kids can cop pleas to get out of serious charges, and do

and even when the girl VEHEMENTLY swears that she said no, only the people who were there know the truth of that.

posted September 28, 2009 02:07 PM         

of course no means no. and i STILL wasn't there so i am not coming to any conclusions on this case.

posted September 28, 2009 02:31 PM         

First off, I didn't think that scrappydog was making the thread all about her. She felt like can relate and empathize with the sexual abuse victim because she was one too. She could understand the feelings that the woman has gone through. Rape is a traumatic experience,and it not just about sex. It's also about power. It even tends to be sexist as it's far more males that rape females than females raping males. I had numerous female friends that experienced sexual abuse of some kind,and that also includes some females that I was romantically involved in the past. Even my mother's shooter attempted to rape her. Therefore, sexual abuse is a very sensitive subject for me too.

I take my hat off to scrappydog for expressing her viewpoints and experiences IMHO,there was nothing wrong with that. I think that it even makes her honest,straightforward,and even brave as well as even possible advocate for understanding and raising awareness about rape victims. It doesn't make her a whiner.
I don't appreciate the condescension and patronizing that she was treated with.

I also didn't like people taking shots at people on this thread, especially when they started getting very personal. That really ticked me off.

I also thought Croc made some good points like things about cold cases. Heck, even now Nazis are still getting arrested for War Crimes in the World War 2 days. It's never too late to have justice served. I have to agree with Croc, if he was just a man from Alabama,there wouldn't be any cheering. If the man was black, his ass would be in prison. If it was before the 1960's,he would be executed. Black men even got their testicles and penises cut off for raping white women. Of course,back in those days, it was against the law for a black man to be in a relationship with a white woman. Therefore, a black man raping a white woman was one of the worst crimes imaginable back in those days,and it was met with extreme punishment compared to a black man raping a black woman or even a white man raping a black woman. I strongly feel that Roman Polanski got off easily as rich white man like so many rich white men do. I also wanted to point out that OJ Simpson should had his ass locked up in prison back in 1995,and he got away with murder. Now,he's locked up in prison where he belongs.

All crimes need to be dealt with equally. nobody should get off easy for any crime, especially not a violent crime.

imho,rapes should be punished with 30 years in prison. Also life imprisonment might not be a bad idea for repeated sex offenders. After all, they executed rapists. Life imprisonment is less extreme than the death penalty.

I appreciated everybody that gave their astrological contributions to this thread which was what it was designed for. I found that the transits and secondary progresses seem to karmically fit with what's going on with Roman Polanski right now,and it has even increased my belief in Astrology.

I like doing posts on current events like many astrologers do. Current events seem to be controversial, especially if they involve crimes. There is so much focus on people's own charts as well as relationships,soulmates and other things, that it makes current events posts even more controversial.

but damn....Astrology covers so many damned things. There are many branches of Astrology.

I was waiting for somebody to look at asteroids in this post,and finally DD did just that. She was one of the few astrological contributors in this thread too, and so I thank her for that.

I am done with this thread. I looked at all astrological stuff that could possibly find.

peace

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted September 28, 2009 02:37 PM         

Since this thread was suppose to be about the transits of his arrest, why not observe the transits of when he commited the crime?

Also, I do not trust second-hand information with these matters..it gets all too confusing..X.X

Edit: It's on page 2, I apologise.

posted September 28, 2009 02:42 PM         

I already did a post on this thread about the transits of when he raped the 13 year old girl

posted September 27, 2009 12:52 PM

March 10, 1977 was the date that it happened.

I even did a post on his transits when he fled the USA too
posted September 27, 2009 12:23 PM

I had compared the transiting Jupiter in his 9th house square Venus-Jupiter in 12th on that day to transiting Saturn conjunct Venus-Jupiter in 12th when he got arrested yesterday.

the former transit reflected his getting away,and the latter transit reflected his apprehension after 30 years of being a fugitive.

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted September 28, 2009 02:45 PM         

send your high horse to rehab glacous.

I didn't post on this until it was in LLC2. where serious astrology study is an option, not a requirement.

i think everyone who contributed had valuable points. and I too think criminals should all be treated the same.

if the glove fits of course.

posted September 28, 2009 03:03 PM         

i wonder does the astrology for either date indicate his guilt or innocence?

and by the way he is a french citizen and i would venture this may all come to nought because france will intervene...

posted September 28, 2009 03:32 PM         

But the original judge in the case, who is now dead, first sent the director to maximum-security prison for 42 days while he underwent psychological testing. Then, on the eve of his sentencing, the judge told attorneys he was inclined to send Polanski back to prison for another 48 days.

Polanski fled the United States for France, where he was born.

In the February hearing, Espinoza mentioned a documentary film that depicts backroom deals between prosecutors and a media-obsessed judge who was worried his public image would suffer if he didn't send Polanski to prison.

"It's hard to contest some of the behavior in the documentary was misconduct," said Espinoza.

But he declined to dismiss the case entirely.

Legal experts said such a ruling would have been extremely rare.

Polanski's victim is among those calling for the case to be tossed out.

Samantha Geimer filed court papers in January saying, "I am no longer a 13-year-old child. I have dealt with the difficulties of being a victim, have surmounted and surpassed them with one exception.

"Every time this case is brought to the attention of the Court, great focus is made of me, my family, my mother and others. That attention is not pleasant to experience and is not worth maintaining over some irrelevant legal nicety, the continuation of the case."

Geimer, now 45, married and a mother of three, sued Polanski and received an undisclosed settlement. She long ago came forward and made her identity public -- mainly, she said, because she was disturbed by how the criminal case had been handled.

Following Espinoza's ruling earlier this year, Geimer's lawyer, Larry Silver, said he was disappointed and that Espinoza "did not get to the merits and consider the clear proof of both judicial and prosecutorial corruption."

He argued in court that had "Mr. Polanski been treated fairly" his client would not still be suffering because of publicity almost 32 years after the crime."

posted September 28, 2009 04:36 PM         

president sarkozy is getting involved in the matter

mr kouchner-minister of foreign affairs asked (with his polish colleague) to hilary clinton to put pressure on the swiss to free him

frederic mitterand-minister of culture, and plenty of famous intellectuals, artists, and so on asked and signed to see him released

he has a house in switzerland and could have been arrested any time since then, the swiss minister of justice argues that nobody is above the law, fair enough, but then why wait so long when he's been in the country before?

posted September 28, 2009 07:44 PM         

No s*** it's wrong! Why does this keep getting flung back?
Katatonic has put up more and more info about this matter and I keep seeing some people GLOSSING over that as if her posts didn't exist! What the hell???

Do you seriously think any of us are CONDONING rape or sexual assault? That we're saying, awww, he's 76, poor old guy! He can do no wrong! He's famous!
Wtf?
No one's said that - it's just about so many missing details in the case, and really, looking at the big picture here.

I'm not saying what he did wasn't WRONG, I'm not even saying he shouldn't be held accountable to an extent - but it's like every time I read some of these responses I just keep seeing this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g

posted September 28, 2009 07:47 PM         

As for the time he shoulda, woulda, coulda served, and what little time he did serve, I really don't know what I feel about it. He still fled, just proving his guilt all the more, in my opinion. The guy makes movies for godsakes... He didn't cure cancer or anything, and yet people defend him like he's above everyone else and that he's learned his lesson. Sad truth is, maybe he has lived with this lesson torturing him all his life, or maybe he's gotten away with an awful crime with a few days of time and has learned nothing.

Of course, those who blame the victim usually think that the victim is crying wolf. Maybe she did, maybe she didn't. Maybe the Mom shouldn't have let her go over there, but again... Even if this were an 18 year old woman, she doesn't deserve to be drugged and raped. That's a violation of her rights as a person. That's what concerns me about the way everyone is talking.

There are LOTS of maybes in this, and those of you saying that this woman cried wolf or it doesn't matter so much to her now, etc don't know one way or the other yourselves.

Personally, I don't know whether or not Polanski should go back to jail, and it's really not my call to make. What will happen will happen, and ultimately, he'll have to live with it. He did make his own choice and plead guilty to the crime (whether or not it was true). He has to live with that.

posted September 28, 2009 08:02 PM         

ENCHANTRESS
so you think you would prefer 30 years to copping a plea? having been in custody as a little child in a concentration camp?

somehow i doubt it.

MVM is right, this is what witchhunts are made of.

posted September 28, 2009 08:27 PM         

Producer: "Hey beautiful, would you like to have dinner with me?"
PA: *politely declines*
Producer: *tries again few more times & still gets declined*
Producer: I'm sorry to say but we're going to do some cut-backs on budget...sorry but we're going to have to let you go.

posted September 28, 2009 09:03 PM         

i was in the music business, which is very similar in many ways. i did it on my terms, though, and yes, there were some times when sleeping with a certain someone might have got me "there" faster but i declined anyway. in the end i left it behind, not because of the sexual harassment (which goes both ways by the way, there are females in positions of power too) but because of the general knife-in-the-back mentality of many people in both those businesses. unfortunately performers and the people around them tend to have huge egos.

but there are genuine people in both businesses too.

posted September 28, 2009 09:43 PM         

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Why is it only considered 'common sense' if someone agrees with you, Benedict?

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posted September 28, 2009 10:01 PM         

And I'm curious...did she not have to show some kind of ID before stripping, you know, to get paid if nothing else?

And btw, I've seen 13-year-olds who could pass for 18, BUT they could NOT pass for 18-year-old models. (I'm sure such exist, somewhere, but it doesn't strike me as reasonable to think he was certain of her being legally--and just barely--an adult, especially if she didn't show some kind of fake ID or other fraudulent proof.)

And witchhunt? The McMartin preschool is an example of a witch hunt. There, a documented diagnosed paranoid schizo made accusations that the state was determined to prove and failed, with some members ironically spending more time in prison (out of fear that they'd run--and in their case, I WOULD be sympathetic if they did) than if they'd been declared guilty. Chaplin was another victim of a witch hunt. None of these people ever claimed to be guilty or acknowledged that there was at least some, if not total, truth to the charges, as I understand Polanski has done. So, no, I don't see him as being the victim of a witch hunt. Possibly a moral crusade, but a witch hunt is being persecuted for something one cannot reasonably believe was done, and that does not apply to him.

As for his past, I can see that affecting his judgment...especially if he saw that he didn't have to do anything to get burned and then wondering what would happen to him once he DID do something. And seriously, how about some sympathy for the Manson family, who did some good works, too, as well as coming from severely abusive backgrounds, and got hit a lot harsher than those who committed the My Lai massacre at about the same time. Or is a celebrity just special so that they're completely and wholly above the law unlike others?

posted September 28, 2009 10:36 PM         

I agree. If i were 13 would i go with a 43 yr old? NO!!!!

Would my mother or father let me go? LOL no way.

You see, there are always two sides to every story and she was with an up and coming film director. Lets face it, every single top model has slept her way to the TOP from Kate Moss to Naomi Campbell.