posted December 03, 2010 02:27 PM            

It cannot exist with human egos.It never will as long as we HAVE egos and we do.

Leadership is set up for that reason.

I am glad it is cuz I want to ENJOY LL.
I don't want a bunch of minutae arguments and crazy theories bandied around until my head hurts.
I, as one person only, am sick of it ,by now.
LL is enjoyed by most members.
The rest should enjoy it ,too,if they grace us with their presence.
If not, they should go.
If I didn't like someone ,I would not be in their presence. Why bother?

This is one person's opinion.
I am sure you know it ,already, so forgive me if I am repeating myself.

posted December 03, 2010 02:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
EVERY system in human doings has a structure.
There is never total utopia.

It cannot exist with human egos.It never will as long as we HAVE egos and we do.

Leadership is set up for that reason.

I am glad it is cuz I want to ENJOY LL.
I don't want a bunch of minutae arguments and crazy theories bandied around until my head hurts.
I, as one person only, am sick of it ,by now.
LL is enjoyed by most members.
The rest should enjoy it ,too,if they grace us with their presence.
If not, they should go.
If I didn't like someone ,I would not be in their presence. Why bother?

This is one person's opinion.
I am sure you know it ,already, so forgive me if I am repeating myself.

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posted December 03, 2010 02:35 PM            

Be careful what you wish for ,Boyfriend. I don't think you want to live in anarchy---ONLY in theory

Read Animal Farm by Orwell and get back to me

Pire, I doubt you have experience in running a business or such real life activities.
I think that is your basic problem ,here, said with all due respect.
You don't understand the real world.

posted December 03, 2010 02:36 PM            

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The person who plastered F U all over every forum WAS popular.
Right there,the vote thing becomes unworkable.

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No, that doesn't make it unworkable. We have free speech in our nations. People don't find that unworkable. I know hers was spam-like, and I agree with a temporary ban in that case, but what a person does in the passion of a moment means little to me compared to what they've done over time.

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One reason it won't work is that sometimes there are things going on behind the scenes,

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posted December 03, 2010 02:39 PM            

i am busy looking at a rose through world colored glasses today..
can't remember where i heard that recently, but hey, it works.

posted December 03, 2010 02:43 PM            

Eight Ways to Spot Emotional Manipulation
Emotional Manipulation is Also "Covert Aggression." See: "Psychopaths: Wolves in Sheep's Clothing" Here is a list adapted from an article by Fiona McColl

There is no use in trying to be honest with an emotional manipulator. You make a statement and it will be turned around. Example: I am really angry that you forgot my birthday. Response - "It makes me feel sad that you would think I would forget your birthday, I should have told you of the great personal stress I am facing at the moment - but you see I didn’t want to trouble you. You are right I should have put all this pain (don’t be surprised to see real tears at this point) aside and focused on your birthday. Sorry." Even as you are hearing the words you get the creeped out sensation that they really do NOT mean they are sorry at all - but since they’ve said the words you’re pretty much left with nothing more to say. Either that or you suddenly find yourself babysitting their angst!! Under all circumstances if you feel this angle is being played - don’t capitulate! Do not care take - do not accept an apology that feels like ******** . If it feels like ******** - it probably is. Rule number one - if dealing with an emotional blackmailer TRUST your gut. TRUST your senses. Once an emotional manipulator finds a successful maneuver - it’s added to their hit list and you’ll be fed a steady diet of this **** .

An emotional manipulator is the picture of a willing helper. If you ask them to do something they will almost always agree - that is IF they didn’t volunteer to do it first. Then when you say, "ok thanks" - they make a bunch of heavy sighs, or other non verbal signs that let you know they don’t really want to do whatever said thing happens to be. When you tell them it doesn’t seem like they want to do whatever - they will turn it around and try to make it seem like OF COURSE they wanted to and how unreasonable you are. This is a form of crazy making - which is something emotional manipulators are very good at. Rule number two - If an emotional manipulator said YES - make them accountable for it. Do NOT buy into the sighs and subtleties - if they don’t want to do it - make them tell you it up front - or just put on the walk-man headphones and run a bath and leave them to their theater.

Crazy making - saying one thing and later assuring you they did not say it.If you find yourself in a relationship where you figure you should start keeping a log of what’s been said because you are beginning to question your own sanity --You are experiencing emotional manipulation. An emotional manipulator is an expert in turning things around, rationalizing, justifying and explaining things away. They can lie so smoothly that you can sit looking at black and they’ll call it white - and argue so persuasively that you begin to doubt your very senses. Over a period of time this is so insidious and eroding it can literally alter your sense of reality. WARNING: Emotional Manipulation is VERY Dangerous! It is very disconcerting for an emotional manipulator if you begin carrying a pad of paper and a pen and making notations during conversations. Feel free to let them know you just are feeling so "forgetful" these days that you want to record their words for posterity’s sake. The damndest thing about this is that having to do such a thing is a clear example for why you should be seriously thinking about removing yourself from range in the first place. If you’re toting a notebook to safeguard yourself - that ol’ ******** meter should be flashing steady by now!

Guilt. Emotional manipulators are excellent guilt mongers. They can make you feel guilty for speaking up or not speaking up, for being emotional or not being emotional enough, for giving and caring, or for not giving and caring enough. Any thing is fair game and open to guilt with an emotional manipulator. Emotional manipulators seldom express their needs or desires openly - they get what they want through emotional manipulation. Guilt is not the only form of this but it is a potent one. Most of us are pretty conditioned to do whatever is necessary to reduce our feelings of guilt. Another powerful emotion that is used is sympathy. An emotional manipulator is a great victim. They inspire a profound sense of needing to support, care for and nurture. Emotional Manipulators seldom fight their own fights or do their own dirty work. The crazy thing is that when you do it for them (which they will never ask directly for), they may just turn around and say they certainly didn’t want or expect you to do anything! Try to make a point of not fighting other people’s battles, or doing their dirty work for them. A great line is "I have every confidence in your ability to work this out on your own" - check out the response and note the ******** meter once again.

Emotional manipulators fight dirty. They don’t deal with things directly. They will talk around behind your back and eventually put others in the position of telling you what they would not say themselves. They are passive aggressive, meaning they find subtle ways of letting you know they are not happy little campers. They’ll tell you what they think you want to hear and then do a bunch of jerk off **** to undermine it. Example: "Of course I want you to go back to school honey and you know I’ll support you." Then exam night you are sitting at the table and poker buddies show up, the kids are crying the t.v. blasting and the dog needs walking - all the while "Sweetie" is sitting on their ass looking at you blankly. Dare you call them on such behavior you are likely to hear, "well you can’t expect life to just stop because you have an exam can you honey?" Cry, scream or choke ‘em - only the last will have any long-term benefits and it’ll probably wind your butt in jail.

If you have a headache an emotional manipulator will have a brain tumor! No matter what your situation is the emotional manipulator has probably been there or is there now - but only ten times worse. It’s hard after a period of time to feel emotionally connected to an emotional manipulator because they have a way of de-railing conversations and putting the spotlight back on themselves. If you call them on this behavior they will likely become deeply wounded or very petulant and call you selfish - or claim that it is you who are always in the spotlight. The thing is that even tho you know this is not the case you are left with the impossible task of proving it. Don’t bother - TRUST your gut and walk away!

Emotional manipulators somehow have the ability to impact the emotional climate of those around them. When an emotional manipulator is sad or angry the very room thrums with it - it brings a deep instinctual response to find someway to equalize the emotional climate and the quickest route is by making the emotional manipulator feel better - fixing whatever is broken for them. Stick with this type of loser for too long and you will be so enmeshed and co-dependent you will forget you even have needs - let alone that you have just as much right to have your needs met.

posted December 03, 2010 02:45 PM            

They can be tyrants for an entire 365 days a year, unless they don't make it past the "assassin's ball".

posted December 03, 2010 02:46 PM            

I read your victim article and I took it in. I am not a victim of what you are saying.
I am a Gemini---ALWAYS a quick study

posted December 03, 2010 02:47 PM            

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Pire, I doubt you have experience in running a business or such real life activities.
I think that is your basic problem ,here, said with all due respect.
You don't understand the real world.

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ami ann, with all due respect, don't try to paint me in a certain light.

we are not friends and I already told you I don't want to be your friend. so don't become too familiar with me and pretend you know me, and that I lack realism or anything else.

posted December 03, 2010 02:55 PM            

If you care to insult me, you are free to do so.
I hope you don't but that is your choice.

posted December 03, 2010 03:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I am NOT playing,Pire, just trying to say true things in a kind/humorous way.
I don't think you understand real life. That is my impression from your posts.
I don't think someone who lived a real life where they had business responsibilities etc would talk as you do.

If you care to insult me, you are free to do so.
I hope you don't but that is your choice.

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why talk about me insulting you? when? where?

posted December 03, 2010 03:06 PM            

i'm not sure where you get the idea that i "believe" in the illuminati "stuff". i have looked into it but i have still got plenty of doubts about it and have NEVER said i "believe" it. i make observations from what i have noticed over the years about the way the ruling class operates, yes. some of my observations gibe with the illuminati conspiracy theories, but i see those as just that, theories. i don't think the world works as neatly as to tie up all the loose ends and point to a single cause or group of people in the same cause. even christians (joke!).

i have never and will never unless something VERY definitive happens to convince me without a doubt, say anything like "the world is coming to an end" or that any one or group is going to make everything all right for us. i believe that is our responsibility, each and every one. and unless YOU have some evidence i find such statements not offensive but misguided.

randall, if you have private business with someone and they are banned, i could understand that. but your summary banning without a word is very one-sided and leaves people wondering when it will be them? and for what? and how does one avoid being banned if they don't know the rules...this is all i am saying here.

the person who spammed the board with FUs was TRYING to get banned, i thought! that would be the obvious assumption in bizarre and extreme circs like that. but for instance if someone were to tell you, without my corroboration, that i thought something terrible about you, would that get ME banned? or would you take it up with me first? i would hope to at least get a chance to tell my version of the story, since hearsay is ALWAYS AND ONLY THAT - hearsay.

and if you think people left because she got banned, i would suggest you think again. people left because there was no dialog allowed about what was going on. they left because political correctness, which pire brought up here and has moved to another thread, looked about ready to kill any honest communication on the board. my take anyway.

posted December 03, 2010 03:14 PM            

PS your religious beliefs are your own choice. i had no intention of slandering you for your beliefs, but i felt you were using them to justify judging people, a pet peeve of mine with the new type of Christian in america.

Well, that's good. Because believing in what I believe in doesn't motivate me to say anything here, at all. In fact, saying the things I do actually goes against my beliefs in the sense of forgiveness and being at peace for others.

I am not a great Christian, by any means. So, don't slam the religion on my accounts.