posted February 09, 2013 09:45 PM            

As far as annoying other patients, just something you have to deal with, unless you toot a horn loud enough!

Hosptials are ridiculously afraid of lawsuits nowadays so they usually will go to great lenghts to please.

I am so, sorry you felt judged.

Its funny cause the strager folks usually gravitate toward me...I have quite the reputation now, my peers call em "Terri's kind of people," HA!

It is very unusual for ICU nurses to be snooty, but some do get an agnst going on and it projects onto their patients and families.

Personally my license is all about my docmentation on the computer, what I do for my patients and their families is between us and them...

Keep up the good spirits!

Please ask if you need anything!!!

posted February 09, 2013 10:05 PM            

ALL hospials get a huge chunk of their federal reimbursments, medicare and medicaid from these HCAHPS suveys.

They are ramdom.

Fully funded folks to non funded folks all go into the same pot, so it doesnt matter who is responding.

IF the hospital scores low, less funding, could eventually happen.

So those dumb nurses better shape up!

posted February 09, 2013 11:15 PM            

i'm exhausted too, & should probalbly hit the hay.

posted February 10, 2013 08:12 AM            

It isnt bad, unless they cant it under control with subcutaneous insulin.

Keep an eye on those folks!

posted February 10, 2013 10:11 AM            

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Originally posted by hippichick:
Lexx

It isnt bad, unless they cant it under control with subcutaneous insulin.

Keep an eye on those folks!

t~

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They are ignoring one of the main reasons he went to the hospital aside from the pain and breathlessness; we did not know about the diabetes or acidosis or the bowel infection.
He has violent body shaking hiccups.
Isn't that a sign of heart trouble?
Especially since he gets palpitations with them?
That was one of the first main signs of his father's bad heart, and his diabetic mother's too.
Come to think of it, hiccups were present when his maternal aunt had a heart attack.
They also did not take a family history on him.
And whew boy there is some serious parental medical history I feel they need to know.
Nor did they take a complete history on him.

You would think that a hospital partnered with the Cleveland Clinic would not be so damn negligent.

posted February 10, 2013 10:15 AM            

In addition to the sliding scale.

Hiccoughs, I have no idea.

(Dr OZ says drinking ice water will help..lol!)

Yes the need a good family history to give accurate medical care.

posted February 10, 2013 10:15 AM            

In addition to the sliding scale.

Hiccoughs, I have no idea.

(Dr OZ says drinking ice water will help..lol!)

Yes the need a good family history to give accurate medical care.

posted February 10, 2013 10:44 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by hippichick:
He needs to be on a long acting insulin like Lantus.

In addition to the sliding scale.

Hiccoughs, I have no idea.

(Dr OZ says drinking ice water will help..lol!)

Yes the need a good family history to give accurate medical care.

t~

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No, ice water does not stop the weird hiccups.

Well at least in his room there are headphones for any tv blaster to use.

OK, must go attend to my body for awhile.
Blessings and love to you. {{{hugs}}}

posted February 10, 2013 11:11 AM            

OK;
update:
THEY ARE SENDING HIM HOME IN A FEW HOURS!!!!!!!!!
However they gave him no insulin or tester and strips and all.
Yet told him to carefully monitor his sugar because it is still running 300 or higher.
Also gave him no food restrictions.
I feel this is all very strange to be told to monitor his blood sugar and do insulin shots;
but then not give him any meter and insulin, or prescriptions for them.
And he was told they want him to have a colonoscopy soon.
How they expect that when gastro doctors make you pay first;
I just do not know.
OK,
very nauseated and feeling bad here;
must get myself up to par so I can go bring him home.
THANK YOU EVER SO MUCHLY AGAIN hippichick.

posted February 10, 2013 03:09 PM            

You must be so relieved!!!

posted February 10, 2013 06:53 PM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
Miracles of miracles! Going home so quickly after such a close call

You must be so relieved!!!

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posted February 10, 2013 06:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Hiccups are generally harmless. Try having him drink some vinegar. It tastes bad, so I would just give him juice from a pickle jar instead. After that, follow with some instant hot chocolate. Don't ask me how it works, but it usually is effective. Some people swear by a spoon full of sugar on the tongue, but since he is diabetic, not such a good idea.

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posted February 10, 2013 09:54 PM            

When I talk about "reform" I refer to the way medical professionals treat the patient! This has NOTHING to do with "money"--- Some people say that things are bad because there's not enough 'money'. This is bullsh!t. Where I live the nurses are WELL paid, yet STILL treat the customer badly. You can't "pay" people into 'competency' as a 'person' and human being. "If you give me enough money, then maybe I won't harm you, won't neglect you?" OH!! This is MORAL failure!!!!!

NO! We need to reform the culture of the way present-day NURSES and physicians ACT-OUT on the patients they "don't like" or have terrible personal judgments against, as individuals or as a collective group.

I have soooo much to say on this topic! I CANNOT contain all the observations I've made, the awful behaviors I have witnessed and other stories I've heard. I could type HUNDREDS of pages... This issue has been VERY CLOSE to my heart for most of my life.

Dorothea Dix is a Reformer who was active in the mid 1800s. In the past several generations, the medical community has been DISMANTLING what she LIVED her life to do. We need to bring back her message--- How the "keepers" need to learn that the right environment, right attitudes, and lovingkindness are the MEDICINES we need to apply!

So! In all of this, Lexxigramer's husband was 'branded' and treated as "less important" than the other human people in that ICU-- the ones with "real" illnesses, not "fakes"?

People should NOT have to "fear" going to get medical treatment!! (I am OUT-RAGED by how Lexxigramer's husband, and her self, were treated!!)

Does his having mental illness mean that his biological condition is to DIS-regarded? That it was all 'in his head'? (How MEAN~!! How DANGEROUS for this patient!!)

LEXXIGRAMER, I myself have been facing some terrifying 'sudden' situations at my home (as you already know).

Mid-October 2012 my roommate had to have another heart catherization.... He is (50-75 pounds?) overweight, smokes, and is diabetic.

At the cardiac surgery center, there was a nurse who had "personal" issues about his health habits: it translated to me as a message that he "deserves" to suffer pain. He should be neglected, punished, and shamed for "DELIBERATELY" being a fat-person, diabetic, and a smoker with a heart condition.

Although she "behaved" in a trained polite way, the "truth" was told when she DEEPLY "shaved" his groin for the catheter-insertion point: she had scraped and dug SOOOO hard and DEEP into his skin that she left him skinless--like RAW MEAT!!

Her subconscious ANGER was ACTED-OUT!! She transferred all that energy into her touch on the razor and on his skin. She HURT him because of what she PERSONALLY thought and felt about his bad habits.

This surreal situation happens OFTEN to clients when health practitioners harbor feelings of bias, prejudice, and racisms!! I DON'T CARE if they're "tired" or "burned out" --- that's an issue for the hospital personnel department and the nurses' unions. Nurses need to "take responsibility" and do the right thing! The "right thing" is NOT how much "overtime" they want to earn--- it is the SAFETY of patients in their care.

It can be DANGEROUS to be "treated" in this country! If the person you lay physically and psychologically "vulnerable" before lacks self-DISCIPLINE, maturity, or ethical moral values, you are in danger of maltreatment, neglect, errors, and even open abuse! If the "worker" is there just because they needed "the job" and they are NOT there because of vocation--the 'calling' to BE a healer-- then they are a detriment.

Even the 'subtle' little undercover snide attitudes among workers becomes a distraction, and even an open DANGER ---'carelessness' ('I can care less', CARE LESS about this person!) is contagious in the workaday world.

Even when abuse IS witnessed in healthcare by peers, IF they say NOTHING and ALLOW it to happen, then they are GUILTY. Some don't report because they don't want to lose their job, or they want to be social-approved by appearing 'cool' to let others' wrong behaviors continue.

Yeah, like it's 'cool' to target a patient no one likes, and to mistreat them--- the victim sorta serves a purpose for that group-- pack-mentality! Mistreating patients, complaining, grumbling, insulting them, ignoring them--- all relieves them of that (you know) AWFUL pressure of having to "work"...... OMG!!!!

You are in DANGER in this country if a worker decides that they don't "like" you. This can be conscious or subconsciously expressed; in fact, some will "code" a client's chart with these awful words meant to transfer their thought or attitude towards the patient to coworkers.

SPOSH--- is an ACTUAL "code" attached to some patient files. It's a communication from one 'professional' to another.

SPOSH Translation? --> Subhuman Piece Of SH!t

This is true "reality," folks. This and other things like this HAPPENS!!

If THEY don't "like" you, you will "suffer" more during your treatment or stay in that facility! Without PROPER training and supervision, there's a segment of population of patients who are at RISK! At RISK in the "care" of the persons they lay "vulnerable" to!!

I'm beginning to understand the meaning of some of the 'medical' asteroids in my natal chart...

10 HYGEIA 7.50 Libra (cj MC--Purpose),
trine SUN 7.51 Gemini - 6th House,
trine 484 PITTSBURGHIA 7.27 Aquarius H2, (intensity of purpose);

15760 1992QB1-rx 8.21 Aquarius H2 (to witness, go through ordeals, take a stand, express beliefs).

posted February 10, 2013 10:35 PM            

It IS all about the money for hospitals, but hospitals cant discriminate due to lack of a patient's funding, appearance, religion, etc.

This would be so easy to prove and they just cant go there...

Nurses are the saviors of patients in the hospitals, mostly.

BUT~

It has become save our license vs save our patients and give em the best care we can.

I asked a student, about to graduate from nursing school the other day what they are teaching in nursing school thesedays.

She reported "CYA."

Sad...

I often tell new nurses and students, the documentation is your license and your patient is your consious, your heart.

MOST nurses come off at bitchy, disgrunteled, etc. due to stress and the demands placed upon us.

WE do care so much for our patients and families, but we are given little tools to do it appropriately.

ICU nurses are especially adept at taking care of both sides.

I dont care, and I will say again, I DONT CARE what has been "documented" but a savy and caring nurse will protect his/her license and care for the patient to the highest extream.

I am considering what I am going to do when I can no longer tolerate the US health system in the hospital setting.. cause I am coming close.

Not to mention doctors...a WHOLE different story:

HUGE amounts come from India, they get their degree there and come here to practice..why? Cause it is nearly unaffordable to get a "MD" not to mention a specialty in the US anymore.

And alot of these docs, not to diss India, not at all, but their education system is different...there culture is different and the levels of competency is just not there.

Same with the docs we have from Mexico.

Do we see docs from, say, Sweeden, The UK, Africa..nope!

The US is all about the buck

I really dont think Lexx's husband was treated differently due to anytype of funding, or personal discrimination. I have never seen this and like I say, hospitals are scared as hell for lawsuits (cause so many sue) that they just dont and they just cant!

I dont think it will take a reform, so to speak, in US healtcare, but an awarness of the public...

Folks need to educate themselves about hospitals, docs, etc, and ESPECIALLY about their diagnosis!

I sickend to see that folks let American healthcare run their lives and health. I am always preaching education, education, EDUCATION!

I would die before I let somebody call all the shots on MY life.

And I know this and I learned this when my, now 21 year old daughter was born with a severe heart defect....

Lets take some responsibility for ourselves!

posted February 10, 2013 10:38 PM            

I have never, ever heard of any situations you have spoke of.

In thirteen years of nursing never, ever.

It is often the nurses who "save" the patients and not the docs.

I am sorry you were shown such horrid behavior, but I really think this is NOT the norm.

posted February 10, 2013 10:50 PM            

I'm very very glad you are conscientious and care!

BUT REFORM is needed from the INSIDE out. People have hardly any VOICE! Look at "who" the "obstructionistic" people are in Congress----- THEY ARE [medical] "DOCTORS"!!!!!!

Out for the BUCK!

Just because they're "too big to fail" eh?

posted February 10, 2013 10:57 PM            

Maybe I've had some horrible "luck" with terrible nursing? But even when "I" was treated well it really bothered me to watch OTHERS be mistreated.

Hell, if the patient 'only is looking for attention'??? Why not give it to them!?? What's wrong with "turning down the loud TV???"

Just 'earplugs' the answer?? No Way!!

Put an earphone on that patient who "needs" it to be 'loud.'

In Lexxigramer's husband's case, those nurses probably left it loud for him because they wanted to 'aggravate' him -- beatchy punishment because they 'ruled' and they didn't "like" him?

That was a group decision, hippichick!! ALL of them let him "suffer"!!

That's soooo wrong.

OMG... there are the 'angel' [nurses] out there, too... Yes! I definitely appreciated the nurses who "understood" what I needed, and tried to guide the others.... But the others are such despicable people, who hate the ones who are good and try to undo the care... and to get those nurses in trouble.

Why do you (general) "allow" the beatches to "rule" in your workplace? Why not take authority over them?

Things have got to change! The nurses need to take responsibility for their peers....?

posted February 10, 2013 11:28 PM            

But the nurses can share horror stories of how they're treated by people they help as well, not to mention mind boggling idiots that come in. Perhaps it's a vicious circle, the worst of people coming in souring the hospital staff against patients while the worst and most incompetent of hospital staff (plus the nasty crap Wall Street pulls in running hospitals like big business where they focus on numbers instead of people) souring people against hospital staff, and it then inspires a lot more conflict than what would otherwise exist (because everyone else is expecting the other to be a jerk or clod as bad impressions are also stronger impressions and get shared more leading to negative expectations on all sides which encourage a self-fulfilling prophecy in some cases).

Since leaving Texas nurses have generally been kind to me as a visitor. Only one place had TVs for people to watch in their recovery room, the other 2 places I saw had it required you could only watch TV in a common room, and there were rules on volume (one rehabilitation center did allow private radios & TVs but volume control was enforced, headphones encouraged, and they weren't allowed to be played at night).

I got along with nurses in one hospital when I visited, but I heard other visitors complain about them. It's possible that my making jokes about some of their security measures (like wanting to search my purse for weapons as it was a mental ward) made them more relaxed around me whereas other visitors I mixed with were peeved or worse with the staff and their hostility may have put the nurses more on edge. The person I visited had some unpleasant things to say about them, however, and I have no reason to doubt her. Even so, some legal group visited that hospital like once a month to make sure the rights of patients weren't being violated, which made me wonder if they made the visits because the hospital had been busted for abuse before (but I'd think a legal team making monthly inspections would make them real careful how they acted).

posted February 10, 2013 11:42 PM            

I'm also really aware and proud of the nursing movement from the 1980s. It IS true that it's the nurses who treat the patients. The doctors make mistakes, and the nurses correct them... I knew one woman who graduated nursing school, and they found she could read EKGs better than the doctors!!

Nurses are a huge group... Why not bring back 'human' care... not technical care? It's like they're trying to be machines?

The medical community seems to be WAY too reliant on machines to tell them what to do... Especially right now, the computers are not ready----- there are soooo many errors, and it's my experience that they will not "correct" their mistakes!

Overheard medical students who were computerizing patient medical records. One was warning another to be really careful when he "sent" because it was too easy to post stuff from one person's record onto another... once you do that, then it's too late. (You know, I doubt that they said anything about their boo-boos.)

I'm in an older [age bracket]. There's no way they will have [basic true info] "accuracy" for how. [I feel that] our [senior] generations are in danger because young students don't really "realize" that.

ADDED THIS: [Many of us have already been through all the pharmaceutical trials over the past few decades. When I say I get a 'bad reaction' it's like they don't know what that means; this is very very serious and potentially dangerous! I had the 'ordeal' of going through an MRI because they had given me a 'wrong' drug! I had no idea what they gave me until later. Gave great uncontrollable shuddering/shivering to the body! I had trusted them and my body "paid" for their snobbery and inexperienced high-mindedness!...as well as it costing Medicare the price of an MRI!]*

Oh, they 'know' it, but they don't realize [what their hubris can do]. They're not experienced [with the distress and pain of those reactions, they cannot relate to how that feels: betrayed, and terribly frightened of 'what could happen next'-uneducated, inexperienced]?*

"Accuracy" on computers won't be right for a LONG time... maybe will take two more generations to be born?

And all this 'diagnosis by machines' [is nonsense-- they need watchful wise mentors, not blind-numb reliance on technology].

Anyway, for right now, just give me an old fashioned doc who knows astrology!!

posted February 10, 2013 11:54 PM            

The 'expectation' loop.... That's a very good point!

Sense of humor... It can get by heavy defenses and thickest of armors!