posted November 18, 2017 07:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:

Hiya T!!!

Hiya catalina, node, bluejay, voix, teasel!!

Voix...amazing!!

Special thanks to teasel for starting this important thread...a lot has come out. Stay strong inside...the tide is turning...no woman or child will be shamed and forced into silence anymore. We will openly speak about what has been done to us for centuries and shame [b]them who have been doing it...and dare to still think it's ok to cross boundaries to touch a woman's body without her explicit permission in the form of a "yes you may"

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posted November 18, 2017 07:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Shopping malls are fast becoming extinct due to Amazon closing down anchor stores. .

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Sucks to be you then!!

Voix, yes one day.....

Until then, we can still speak up. I’ll always remember who’s been by my side through thick and thin and who was so quickly salivating and ready to tear me down.

posted November 18, 2017 10:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
The claims should be investigated. If confirmed, he should resign. A month from the election, it seems like a smear canpaign and a witch hunt.

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Don't you get it???

There CAN NO LONGER be a police investigation bc the statute has run out

He's not ALLOWING any fair investigation, ie testifying UNDER OATH before congress, even though gloria allred has challenged him to do it. IT MEANS HE IS NOT COOPERATING!!!

Doing anything else has no meaning bc he owns alabama law and lawyers, having been on the alabama supreme court...even though he was thrown out twice (from the supreme court) for having disobeyed the law

He was the ONLY judge (out of 9) who ruled IN FAVOR OF A CONVICTED RAPIST who sodomized a 4 yr old baby boy!!! This ruling happened only TWO years ago in 2015. DOES THIS NOT SHOCK YOU EVEN A LITTLE BIT????

The timing DOES NOT imply a witch hunt bc the wapo reporters were already in alabama snooping around (as reporters ALWAYS do when people run for office). THEY picked up on people in moore's hometown talking abt roy moore lusting aftr teen girls and hanging around malls. IT WAS AN "OPEN SECRET" IN HIS TOWN THAT HE STALKED YOUNG GIRLS!!! OF COURSE THE REPORTERS RAN WITH THE STORY!! DID YOU EXPECT THEM NOT TO??

The reporters contacted (then 14 yr old) leigh corfman to get her side. It took them WEEKS to convince her to speak abt it openly after which she did.

It is happening ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. Women all over the country are speaking up this year. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SMEARING ANY ONE INDIVIDUAL, IT IS A BACKLASH AGAINST THE P*SSYGRABBER IN CHIEF SITTING IN THE WHITE HOUSE!! THE WHOLE COUNTRY IS ANGRY. THIS ANGRY BACKLASH IS GIVING WOMEN THE COURAGE TO PUSH BACK AT THEIR OPPRESSORS AND WE HAVE #45 TO THANK FOR THIS!!

I've read your posts on this thread and i'm appalled!! I've seen you be stubborn before but your posts here actually call into question your humanity!!

Do you not have the ability to see things from the victim's side at all??? What abt repressed memories of the victim? Shldn't the statute be extended to take into account the time a victim needs to come forward. Do you think society makes it easy for them to complain??

Have you EVER had a loved one tell you she was raped or sexually molested? If so, did you side with the accused and try the innocent until proven guilty line on her?? What sort of proof did you ask her to submit? Did she run away from you and never speak to you again??? I know i would! Bc ASKING A RAPE VICTIM FOR PROOF IS SIDING WITH THE ACCUSED. THERE CAN ONLY BE CORROBORATING EVIDENCE IN A RAPE CASE, AND THERE HAS BEEN PLENTY IN ROY MOORE'S CASE. NINE WOMEN HAVE SPOKEN UP!!!

ACCUSED MEN ALL OVER THE COUNTRY ARE STEPPING DOWN FROM THEIR POSITIONS OF POWER, NOT VOLUNTARILY, BUT AFTER BEING EXPOSED!! THEIR ADMISSIONS OF GUILT ARE NOT VOLUNTARY, BUT FORCED!! THEY ARE BEING LEFT WITH NO CHOICE BC THEIR COMPANIES/JOBS/SPONSERS/ETC ARE DROPPING THEM!! THIS MEANS THAT SOCIETY IS NO LONGER ENABLING SEXUAL PREDATORS!! SO FAR THEY HAVE BEEN PROTECTED BY SOCIETY WHICH IS WHY SEXUAL MISCONDUCT HAS CONTINUED UNSTOPPED UNTIL NOW! ROY MOORE IS STILL BEING ENABLED BY THE SOCIETY OF ALABAMA. IF THEY WERE TO DROP HIM HE WLD BE DOWN ON HIS KNEES IN A HEARTBEAT CLUTCHING A BIBLE AND SOBBINGLY ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS!!

YOUR NAIVETE ABOUT THIS WHOLE THING WOULD BE CUTE, EXCEPT THAT IT'S NOT!!! YOU OUGHT TO KNOW BETTER!!

Your lack of empathy for the victim who was a CHILD when she was molested is stunning!!!

And who cares if you're a law student if you cannot be a human being first???

posted November 18, 2017 10:20 PM            

"Alabamians ought to be used to it by now.

So many laws designed to protect the powerful, at the expense of the powerless.

There are tax laws, of course, that disproportionally take from the poor with a wink and nod to the wealthy. Alabama courts have habitually preyed on and profited from the weak, stringing them along on traffic fines and misdemeanors and tossing them in jail when they can't pay. It all goes back to the big boogeyman, a state constitution predicated on the belief that those with power earned it, and those without need to be sheared like the sheep they are.

Maybe it all seems big, and amorphous, just a bunch of policies and structures too big and cold to get your head around.

Until you look at rape.

The most personal of crimes. The most elemental, intimate display of power and control.

Again Alabama protects the powerful. And shames the powerless.

A story appeared on Buzzfeed last week,a powerful piece about a University of Alabama student who told police she was raped by T.J. Bunn Jr., a wealthy and important Tuscaloosa man. She was dismissed and treated badly by Tuscaloosa police, held to a different standard than the man, and she wound up killing herself.

It was tragic. I can't speak to all the facts of the story. It was clearly reported for a long period of time, and made a compelling case that cops in Tuscaloosa are tougher on victims of rape and sexual assault than they are on attackers.

A captain from the multi-agency task force in Tuscaloosa told reporter Katie J.M. Baker, according to the story, that 27 students at UA reported sexual assaults last year. Only two arrests were made. Which is absurd.

But priorities are a discussion for another day. This one is about the law.

The victim, Megan Rondini, told police she resisted, that she tried to leave, that she turned away when the man kissed her and continued to say she wanted to go home. It wasn't enough. Police said there was nothing they could do because she did not resist more violently.

"Look at it from my side," an officer told Megan. "You never kicked him or hit him or tried to resist him."

Protect and serve what?

Protect and serve who?

The problem is Alabama law - and cops who want to use it as a shield to protect powerful men. It is a ready excuse to tell victims there's nothing they can do.

Alabama is one of the few states where victims still have to prove they "earnestly resisted the sexual act" in order to charge an attacker with first-degree rape. The law does provide some wiggle room. Courts have held a victim doesn't have to resort to physical violence to "earnestly resist," but the language is vague, and gives cops and DAs cover if they don't want to make a case.

Too often they don't understand that victims of rape and sexual assault freeze during the incident, that flight and fight are not the only two instincts, said Meg McGlamery, executive director of Crisis Center Birmingham.

 "We tell them (victims) to do what feels safest to them," McGlamery said. "Megan felt she had to comply."

You can't tell a rape victim how to respond to that kind of shock. It is a gross misunderstanding, an assault on the assaulted. It is just another way to blame the victim and ignore the offense of the offense.

No means no. And "I want to go home" means no. Turning away means no.

Just like when the cops said no to Megan, when they turned away.

Rape advocates in Alabama plan to introduce a bill next year to remove the "earnest resistance" from Alabama law.

Keep an eye on the powerful. To see who earnestly resists."

posted November 18, 2017 11:04 PM            

Typical leftist lunatic. Totally divorced from reality.

posted November 18, 2017 11:12 PM            

Don't you get it? He's not a US Senator and can't be called before the Senate Ethics Committee to testify about anything.

On the other hand, Moore's accusers could request appearances before a Senate Investigating Committee to offer testimony..UNDER OATH!

Let's see how long it takes them to make that request of the US Senate!

posted November 18, 2017 11:49 PM            

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Hey einstein, a crime in which the perp uses as weapons...a twisted, perverted, lewd, and predatory mind...plus eyes, hands, and genitals...what evidence do you want???"

Typical leftist lunatic. Totally divorced from reality.

Oh wait, are you talking about Kommander Korruption, Bill Clinton?

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Total gibberish!. As usual a non answer. Yup, you've conceded superiority! Now, don't cry later abt "leftists" being superior...especially not now that we know you're a closet leftist lunatic yourself

posted November 18, 2017 11:55 PM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
"He's not ALLOWING any fair investigation, ie testifying UNDER OATH before congress, even though gloria allred has challenged him to do it. IT MEANS HE IS NOT COOPERATING!!!"

Don't you get it? He's not a US Senator and can't be called before the Senate Ethics Committee to testify about anything.

On the other hand, Moore's accusers could request appearances before a Senate Investigating Committee to offer testimony..[b]UNDER OATH!

Let's see how long it takes them to make that request of the US Senate!

The leftist lunatic and ambulance chaser, Gloria All-Red has refused to turn over that yearbook to an independent panel of authenticators. Clearly, All-Red isn't interested in learning the truth about her client.[/B]

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Hey einstein, we all know he cannot be called, which is what he's taking advantage of. Who cares about whether he can or cannot be called? Why doesn't he offer? Why do you expect only allred to make the request? Other than denying, what effort has he made to show he's open to being investigated?

And i wldn't turn in the year book either...not until he agrees to being investigated

posted November 19, 2017 12:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Handwriting analysis is an exact science now. It would easily confirm or disprove Moore as author of the yearbook writing in question.

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A couple of yrs ago i had to ask someone to submit 3 originals of the same document with 3 original signatures. When i received the documents in the mail, all 3 signatures were slightly different. A legal analyst said they cldn't be accepted. Even though he was aware that it was a legal document, he was unable to match his signatures in the 3 identical originals of the document...and he's a lawyer himself plus a lobbyist. I had to ask him to redo his signature, which he did.

People can sign two pieces of paper on the same day and the signature can vary enough as to not be legally acceptable

posted November 19, 2017 07:20 AM            

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I have empathy for victims of sexual assault. I also have empathy for the falsely accused. The truth will come out. If he's guilty, we will find out. If these women were paid off, we will find out. What if you had a son who was falsely accused of rape? Anyone can just throw out false accusations and ruin someone's life? As I said, if he is guilty, he should not be elected. You may want to instantly be judge, jury, and executioner, but I want to find out the truth--wherever it leads.

The author of this article is no fan of Moore's, but he explains how Moore did not rule in favor of a child rapist as you alleged.
http://www.slate.com/articles/ne ws_and_politics/jurisprudence/2017/11/it_s_wrong_to_attack_roy_moore_for_his_dissent_in_a_child_rape_case.html

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posted November 19, 2017 07:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:

Hiya T!!!

Hiya catalina, node, bluejay, voix, teasel!!

Voix...amazing!!

Special thanks to teasel for starting this important thread...a lot has come out. Stay strong inside...the tide is turning...no woman or child will be shamed and forced into silence anymore. We will openly speak about what has been done to us for centuries and shame [b]them who have been doing it...and dare to still think it's ok to cross boundaries to touch a woman's body without her explicit permission in the form of a "yes you may"

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posted November 19, 2017 03:15 PM            

Delusionally insane, irrational and illogical. How could I concede superiority to leftist lunatics who are intellectually substandard, at best? Perhaps it's the company you keep. Even morons seem intellectually brilliant to imbeciles.

posted November 19, 2017 04:37 PM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
"Total gibberish!. As usual a non answer. Yup, you've conceded superiority! Now, don't cry later abt "leftists" being superior...especially not now that we know you're a closet leftist lunatic yourself"

Delusionally insane, irrational and illogical. How could I concede superiority to leftist lunatics who are intellectually substandard, at best? Perhaps it's the company you keep. Even morons seem intellectually brilliant to imbeciles.

Perhaps a good English dictionary would benefit you in your quest of deciphering the English language.

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posted November 19, 2017 05:11 PM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
"Total gibberish!. As usual a non answer. Yup, you've conceded superiority! Now, don't cry later abt "leftists" being superior...especially not now that we know you're a closet leftist lunatic yourself"

Delusionally insane, irrational and illogical. How could I concede superiority to leftist lunatics who are intellectually substandard, at best? Perhaps it's the company you keep. Even morons seem intellectually brilliant to imbeciles.

Perhaps a good English dictionary would benefit you in your quest of deciphering the English language.

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Take a deep breath...

Now, use your frontal lobe...the one that allows us to reason and distinguishes us from the rest of the animal kingdom...

There yet?

Okay, now answer this question...

Hey einstein, a crime in which the perp uses as weapons...a twisted, perverted, lewd, and predatory mind...plus eyes, hands, and genitals...what evidence do you want???

Let me re-phrase it to help you...

Hey einstein, aka closet leftist lunatic, a crime in which the perp uses as weapons...a twisted, perverted, lewd, and predatory mind...plus eyes, hands, and penis...what evidence do you want???

Last chance, if you cannot answer this question coherently, you concede superiority

Take your time, this one's important...

posted November 19, 2017 05:41 PM            

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Keep some kleenex handy and remember...it's ok, grown men can cry

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ALABAMA'S BIGGEST NEWSPAPER ENDORSES DOUG JONES (DEMOCRAT) FOR US SENATE

For the FIRST time ever, in the history of alabama, victims of rape and sexual molestation are being given consideration over money, sex, and power!! For the FIRST time ever, women and children are being told...we hear you

Read on for their reasoning of why they reject roy moore. This newspaper is now a shining example for the rest of the country...and if they continue to protect and respect their women, their state will prosper. A society that disrespects its women...fails

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http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2017/11/our_view_alabama_voters_must_r.h tml#incart_maj-story-1

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"Our view: Alabama voters must reject Roy Moore; we endorse Doug Jones for U.S. Senate

This election is a turning point for women in Alabama. A chance to make their voices heard in a state that has silenced them for too long.

The accusations against Roy Moore have been horrifying, but not shocking.

Every day new allegations arise that illustrate a pattern of a man in his 30s strutting through town like the **** of the walk, courting and preying on young women and girls. And though Roy Moore has denied the accusations of these women, his own platform and record is hostile to so many Alabamians.

Unlike the national party, the Alabama Republican establishment has chosen to stand by him, attacking and belittling the brave women who have come forward.

As a news organization, we have independently investigated stories of several Alabama woman who have spoken to us and the Washington Post about the abuse they say they suffered at the hands of Roy Moore decades ago.

The seriousness of these incidents, including one involving a 14-year-old child, cannot be overstated. Nor can the growing number of accusations -- from the women who were at the receiving end of unwanted adult male overtures as teens, to those who say they were physically assaulted --  be parsed with talk of statutes of limitations or whether proof has been recorded on a stone tablet. In the American system, proof beyond a reasonable doubt is a consideration for the courtroom, not the ballot box. It is our job as voters to look closely at the candidates and make up our own minds.

Do not let this conversation be muddled. This election has become a referendum on whether we will accept this kind of behavior from our leaders.

Alabamians have never cared about what the rest of country thinks of them. And we do not expect all the handwringing from national pundits, conservative or liberal, to make much of a difference. This election isn't about what a late-night comedian may think of Alabama or whether Sean Hannity can sell advertisements; it's not about Saturday Night Live or Mitch McConnell. It's not about Breitbart or National Democrats. It is about the moral values of the people of Alabama.

Do not make your voting decision based on who it will affect on a national stage. Vote based on who it will affect in your hometown.

We each know someone in our lives who is a survivor of sexual assault or child abuse. Many of us are still searching for the words needed to tell our own stories and some may never find that voice. This election is about them.   

How can we look our neighbors, our parishioners, our colleagues, our partners, or our children in the eyes and tell them they are worth less than ensuring one political party keeps a Senate seat?  How can we expect young Alabamians to have faith in their government or their church, when its leaders equivocate on matters as clear cut as sexual abuse?

A vote for Roy Moore sends the worst kind of message to Alabamians struggling with abuse: "if you ever do tell your story, Alabama won't believe you."

Or, worse, we'll believe you but we just won't care.

To be clear: it's not only his record on women and children that disqualifies Moore. If we vote for Roy Moore, Alabama will also show that we don't care about you if you're gay or Muslim or Catholic. If you're an atheist or an immigrant. We'll show each other that we only care about Roy Moore's definition of Alabama. And that there's not room for the rest of us.

Roy Moore says he has faith in the Alabama voters. But apparently only a select few.

This utter disregard for people unlike himself, his pathological fixation on sex, and the steps he's taken to actively diminish other people's freedoms, is more than enough to have disqualified him from this office long before these women stepped into the public eye.

So what now?

Alabamians opposed to Roy Moore have three options on election day: stay home, write in a candidate, or vote for Doug Jones.

As a news organization, we could never advise voters to stay home. Low turnout in the Republican primary contributed to Roy Moore winning a spot on the ballot. Elections matter. And from soldiers overseas to Civil Rights foot soldiers at home, too many people have risked their lives to secure that privilege for Alabamians. And given what's at stake in this election, we urge you to register by November 27. 

If your conscience tells you that you cannot vote for either man, write in a candidate that shares your convictions. While we believe that state Republicans response to the allegations brought against Roy Moore has cast a permanent shadow on many others - particularly GOP Chairwoman Terry Lathan who has threatened any Republican who speaks out - there are good options in the Republican Party.

However, we endorse the third option: Doug Jones.

Despite what you may have heard, Doug Jones is a moderate Democrat and a strong candidate for all Alabamians. As the son of a steel family, he understands the concerns facing working class families as factories close and jobs disappear. He's been an active member of Canterbury United Methodist Church in Birmingham. He has built a platform around issues that will define Alabama: job creation, small business development, child healthcare, criminal justice reform and, perhaps most needed of all, compromise.

By bringing justice to four little girls killed at Birmingham's 16th Baptist Church, Jones helped Alabama move forward from the sins of our past. But unlike some national Democrats, he isn't interested in shaming Alabama voters because of their history. As a Red State Democrat, we expect Jones would have a larger seat at the table crafting policy in the Senate. Neither Majority Leader Mitch McConnell nor Minority Leader Chuck Schumer would be able to take Jones' vote for granted (for relevant examples look to West Virginia's Joe Manchin, Montana's Jon Tester or North Dakota's Heidi Heitkamp). That would put Jones in a strong position to work with Sen. Shelby to secure policies that benefit Alabamians.

While Jones is a vocal Christian, despite Moore's claims to be the sole Christian in politics, we know his pro-choice stance may be a deal breaker for some Alabamians, but his stance only advocates the law as it is currently written. After a year of complete control of the White House, the Senate and the House, we are skeptical that this Congress plans to pass any relevant legislation on abortion. Jones' commitment to affordable healthcare for women and children will improve the lives of Alabama's families, and, for us, his pro-choice stance is not disqualifying.

What is disqualifying is the conduct of Roy Moore against women and children. It was disqualifying for his party leaders. It was disqualifying for Alabama's senior senator. And it should be disqualifying for his state party.

By the various misdeeds, miscalculations and mistakes of its voters and leaders, Alabama has left itself with few options. Alabamians must show themselves to be people of principle, reject Roy Moore and all that he stands for.

There is only one candidate left in this race who has proven worthy of the task of representing Alabama. He is Doug Jones.

The voters must make their voices heard."

posted November 19, 2017 07:13 PM            

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Are you not aware that this paper endorsed Hillary?

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You are again politicizing the rape issue. I don't care who else they endorsed, what is important is that they're withdrawimg support for someone who has an overwhelming corroborating evidence of being a pedophile right now in this race, and that they're doing it for the right reasons.

I wld have applauded them had they endorsed another republican candidate who didn't have roy moore's history. iQ also said the same thing...that it wld be better for the republicans to select another candidate rather than give more power to roy moore. If another worthy republican had won the race, it wld have been Aok w/ me. Alabama has always been a red state and wld have continued to be red w/ another republican senator. That was never an issue w/ me. My issue is w/ roy moore, who doesn't respect anyone other than straight white evangelical christian males, bc of which he considers it ok to abuse women and children.

The whole point is to take away power from people who abuse it. Power has been taken away from harvey weinstein, bill o'reilly, roger ailes, kevin spacey, etc. These men have been publicly shamed, their jobs have been taken away from them, so they can no longer harm women and children. At the end of the day THAT'S what's important!

Is that not more important to you than your party affiliation?

posted November 20, 2017 12:02 AM            

Judge Roy Moore stated he’s never personally met Mrs. Nelson but he was assigned -and presided over- her civil divorce case about 18 years ago.

To prove Moore has met Mrs. Nelson, Gloria Allred produced Nelson’s high school yearbook claiming to contain the signature of Roy Moore. However, a review of the signature shows considerable evidence that it is fraudulent. Mr. Moore challenged Allred to present the yearbook for independent authentication. Allred is refusing.

Attorney/activist Allred is demanding a Senate hearing against Roy Moore, which is absurd because the U.S. Senate has no jurisdiction over Moore as a private citizen running for office. Allred, an activist and Democrat delegate, is simply attempting to manufacture a political fiasco to benefit her ideological and partisan endeavors.

The signature appears to be entirely fraudulent and manufactured to create a connection between Mrs. Nelson and Judge Moore.

It is clear from a simple review of the inscription that two inks were used, and two different types of handwriting appear present.

Providing further evidence toward Moore’s defense, he notes the “DA” following the signature are specifically the same as the divorce documents he signed for Mrs. Nelson in 1999 (see below):

The “D.A.” does not stand for District Attorney, it stands for “Delbra Adams”, Judge Moore’s former assistant who started working for him in 1987, ten years after the “DA” which appears in Mrs. Nelson’s yearbook.