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Topic: Pathological Liars
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Randall
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posted February 11, 2011 06:46 PM
  
No worries! I've done it myself.IP: Logged |
Mblake81
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posted February 11, 2011 06:54 PM
common ground, glad it was you.Another thing to watch out for, I see it starting as a "lil white lie". When you let this in your psyche, it will "spread" or branch out into other areas. You may start considering things you know are really wrong, this can get out of hand quickly. I know people are going to lie, But understand that is not my point. I do wonder if people tolerate it because they were taught it was "sort of ok" I did. I keep saying a Lie is a Lie because that is what matters most. Try to keep yourself straight. I also do not like keeping a heavy heart, I mean mine. IP: Logged |
TrueTaurus
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posted February 11, 2011 07:24 PM
Mblake81, I understand you. I guess I wasn't as clear as I intended to be. My biggest pet peeve is lying! My example was of the exception, in that telling your grandma that her husband is cheating on her, when she is about to die will do her no good...In all other cases, I stand on the same side as yours. I am honest to a fault. I think it's best tell the truth even if it hurts, but not when someone is about to die...but that's an entirely hypothetical situation, and not likely to happen.IP: Logged |
Mblake81
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posted February 11, 2011 07:29 PM
While I appreciate a friend, much more than any enemy.It is just that one thing I have beef with, Who are you to say it is not your grandmothers karma to know, Who are you to keep it from her? But then again, maybe it is your karma to keep it from her, Maybe you have something to learn. Listen, I really do not mean you any harm, as a person. The idea you harbor makes my skin crawl though, so please keep that in mind.
Let me ask you this, what is the method, or concept that you use, to keep that lie in check, from growing larger?
Maybe it is just my nature, I have to completely rid it out of my system. Maybe you have learned a way to cope and hang on, But man o man, that has got to be draining on you to keep maintained. IP: Logged |
TrueTaurus
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posted February 11, 2011 07:41 PM
Mblake81, that's a good point. If I personally were in a situation like that, I'd be stuck in a dilemma, honestly because I am prone to tell her the truth, but at the same time I don't want to generate more pain. It depends on knowing what kind of person she is. I know some people who would rather not know the truth, and others who need to know."Let me ask you this, what is the method, or concept that you use, to keep that lie in check, from growing larger." I think you are assuming that I think it's okay to lie. I meant that a lie in the case where it will do no good, such as when a person is on the verge of death, is something to consider. Which is of the exception for me, but I think other lies are unacceptable. What's your big three, and what's your mercury in? I'm curious. IP: Logged |
Mblake81
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posted February 11, 2011 07:49 PM
I am on your other side, so to speak.No it was not assuming you think it is ok or not to lie. You will lie. Please this is not an accusation, and I am not convicting you. You know it will happen sooner or later. So what method do you use to keep it in check? I am all ears. IP: Logged |
TrueTaurus
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posted February 11, 2011 07:55 PM
Mblake81, you're asking for a clear cut answer to your question, which I cannot give. It seems you would agree with Kant's perspective on lying. That lying of any kind is unacceptable, in any circumstance. I can't argue with that. The debate is endless.IP: Logged |
Mblake81
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posted February 11, 2011 07:59 PM
No, it is not. That is where I am having a problem.Can i ask you an honest question? You do not have to give any specifics, and please do not. Please just a yes or no. Have you ever lied in your life, up to this point right now. IP: Logged |
TrueTaurus
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posted February 11, 2011 08:01 PM
Well, then, I am utterly confused. IP: Logged |
Mblake81
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posted February 11, 2011 08:03 PM
really?you are not aware if you have ever lied or not? how old are you? respectively. IP: Logged |
Mblake81
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posted February 11, 2011 08:10 PM
This is taking too long.Basically it boils down to this dude, If you have personal knowledge, that at one time or another, in your own life, you have told a lie. How do you actively go about, preventing that from happening to yourself again? Or do you even do this? Or are you even aware of this? IP: Logged |
Mblake81
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posted February 11, 2011 08:14 PM
Is my mind really this removed?Must have been the lightning bolts.
Uranus really does have an effect after all.
This might be a personal case, of just a "me" thang.
You know, looking back on some of my threads, I am almost willing to bet, most have wildly misunderstood me.
that is mind blowing. I have to have the words exactly right, or it is the wrong idea. I see that now, but that is almost an overwhelming task to try to accomplish. so I will just keep doing,what I have been doing. or maybe not. IP: Logged |
rajji
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posted February 12, 2011 01:31 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mblake81:so I will just keep doing,what I have been doing. or maybe not.
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I give u a green signal blake...just keep doing what u think is right and comfortable for you.
Everbody here are trying to preach ones own commandments..there is no harm in that..
People here are given varied ideas and food for thought...in the end the final choice made is their own personal one. IP: Logged |
rajji
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posted February 12, 2011 01:55 AM
First of all a Child lies because he is enticed to do so, He would have never known what is a lie in the first place.
So then it becomes a habit because there is always a reward for lying.An adult lies because it makes things easier, faster and seems better for him.
An adult can lie to save someone elses tears or save himself from pain.
when its for the former it becomes an advantage and the latter makes it a disadvantage.
As per the severity of the situation
lies become a big deal otherwise if it brings joy to others nobody would care.
I think the fault here is with The word 'Lie' itself! becoz
A lie can work in both ways constructive and destructive.
Its this aspect of duality and this powerful dimension that it possesses makes it
frustrating at times.
Where as when one considers TRUTH..there is no quality of duality in it.
That makes it always bitter.
So again in order to reduce the shocks caused when truth comes out..one has has to lie to a certain extant to calm things down.
So in turn it becomes a sort of a process.
U lie because the other person needs to know the truth somewhere down the line!
According to me only when one lies will there be a place for truth to come out..so lies are very much essential to reveal what is true.
So i think in this case true taurus words were quite right. IP: Logged |
rajji
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posted February 12, 2011 02:18 AM
The thing is
Yes there are honest people who do speak only truth and detest lies...but they have to beware of those who take advantage of their honesty and later label them as culprits! like gypsee winds story!
Thats the sad part again...honest people always have to pay the price.
This is what pathological liars do all the time. This holds true for what blake said about "lil white lie"
The temptation of a lie becomes irresistable for a pathological liar.
Blake yes i know i might lie... i dont and cant give any guarantee for that...and yes im not the one to teach my children not to lie because lying is a sin.
Because in the long run they will not be able to discern when is it rit or wrong to lie or when is it rit or wrong to reveal the truth.
In the end i will try as much as i possibly can to do,, what is best in order not to hurt somebody either with my lies or truth.
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Mblake81
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posted February 12, 2011 07:11 AM
Yes, I am aware of what you speak.The "ideal" is what I keep in mind, to help keep me in check. You do get taken advantage of, but that is also karma. I have learned being honest is the hardest policy to maintain. It is just soo tempting to do what is easier. IP: Logged |
Mblake81
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posted February 12, 2011 07:23 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbyUST2gOn8&feature=related
Lyrics to Re-Align :
Decisions made from desperation, no way to go
Internal insctincts craving isolation for me to grow
My fears come alive in this place where I once died
demons dreaming, knowing I-I just needed to re-align Fell in a river of illusion and apathy
Drowning in a self-induced confusion, I'd rather be My fears come alive in this place where I once died
Demons dreaming, knowing I-I just needed to re-align My fears come alive in this place where I once died
demons dreaming, knowing I-I just needed to re-align (guitar solo) My fears come alive in this place where I once died
demons dreaming, knowing I-Ijust needed to re-align *Demons: In my view, these are your personal ones, the ones you carry around. IP: Logged |
Mblake81
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posted February 12, 2011 08:53 AM
People here are given varied ideas and food for thought...in the end the final choice made is their own personal one.Agreed. I think most of us are still getting accustomed to being able to speak our minds so freely, I am one of them. IP: Logged |
LEXX
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posted February 12, 2011 09:05 AM
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"Beat me with the truth, don’t torture me with lies.”
~Unknown
I detest lies,
even little white lies.
A lie is a lie is a lie.IP: Logged |
Mblake81
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posted February 12, 2011 09:19 AM
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Originally posted by LEXX:
I detest lies,
even little white lies.
A lie is a lie is a lie.
Basically what I tell myself, I will still lie though. Just no where near as much, and It is improving. It took a lot to just get to this point. And the second I relax? slipping. IP: Logged |
LEXX
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From: Still out looking for Schrodinger's cat.......& LEXIGRAMMING.♥.. is my Passion!
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posted February 12, 2011 09:20 AM
Why lie? 
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''Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive''
~Sir Walter Scott
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First ask yourself: What is the worst that can happen? Then prepare to accept it. Then proceed to improve on the worst. – Dale Carnegie
“An intellectual is a person who has discovered something more interesting than sex.”~Aldous Huxley
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Mblake81
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posted February 12, 2011 09:23 AM
I have my own compulsions that are hard to resist.Trust me, It is not a question of "why" lie, more like "when" I know the object is in motion, What I do at the point is try to re-angle it, to somewhere else, maybe someplace better. Take an energy, make it something else. -To place it, in check- Lies would be like an enemy sword, did you not watch some of the videos in my other thread? I placed the idea of "my lies" as something outside of myself that I do battle with. Maybe now you guys see where the blast of anger came from earlier in this thread. When I see this, I do not f--k around. IP: Logged |
LEXX
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From: Still out looking for Schrodinger's cat.......& LEXIGRAMMING.♥.. is my Passion!
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posted February 12, 2011 09:33 AM
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Originally posted by Mblake81:
I have learned being honest is the hardest policy to maintain. It is just soo tempting to do what is easier.
Personally I cannot relate to that.
Honesty is the EASIEST POLICY to maintain!
Lying in my opinion would be a very hard thing to maintain.
I mean, so much to keep track of......
that "tangled web of deceit".
I chose to stick to honesty or keep my mouth shut.IP: Logged |
Mblake81
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posted February 12, 2011 09:34 AM
Maybe I am just struggling on the other side of an abyss here, lexx.IP: Logged |
Mblake81
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posted February 12, 2011 09:36 AM
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Originally posted by LEXX:
I chose to stick to honesty or keep my mouth shut.
Same with me. But I have made many mistakes, and still do. Probably will in the future for sure. IP: Logged |
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