posted February 12, 2011 01:42 PM            

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Originally posted by rajji:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by LEXX:

I chose to stick to honesty or keep my mouth shut.

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I agree

Edited to Add:

Gypsee, I agree with what you are saying and practice that in my own life. In the case of the mother asking about her child. If I do not find the child to be the most beautiful person on the planet or even pleasant to look at I will find something that I do think is positive such as "She has such beautiful hair". I am not lying but I am also not falling victim to "spillage" where I have to blurt out my opinions that I know will hurt that person.

To some that is being dishonest but to me it is being kind. Why cause pain just because "I" may not find the child pretty or cute? For those that think it gives me bad Karma- so be it. I would rather deal with the Karma of not saying something hurtful- especially when it does not have to be said- than the Karma of causing undo pain.

In situations where I know a truth and it needs to come out in order to help someone or solve a problem, I will spill. I don't lie to get myself ahead but I also don't spill my guts and cause problems. One example; someone confided something about a coworker in confidence and that coworker then asked me if I had talked to "so and so" and if she had said anything about them. I changed the subject and went on and if she had asked me point blank, I would have lied and said "no".

posted February 12, 2011 03:12 PM              

Can a person be loyal to his or her own ideas and feelings?

Mine cause me pain, But that is better than "just going along"<-------- that is just my opinion on my life.

I personally avoid being in a situation where I am forced due to social pressure to "lie" so I can "save" them. Understand I am not always able to avoid it, and thus am forced to lie to "be kind". This is such a twisted system of negativity.

That is a negative circle in my view, I realize people may not be able to understand that, I am driven to get away from it.

I do honestly think most people could not live in my energy.

I had no choice. well that is not entirely true, I did have a choice, then and I have a choice now, I still resist and go my own way, But I have had to learn how to do that without harming other people, Because my life would be sh-t then.

The pain I refer to could be metaphysical pain, It is hard to tell due to lack of information on this topic, I am more or less running blind and making my way as I go. When something does not work, I go back to the drawing board to figure a way that can.

The "Over, Under, Or Around" statement comes into play here. A significant amount of effort is required to keep that moving along without too much disturbance.

I would only retreat, If I see advantage, To somehow regain the upper hand later, or at the present moment.

posted February 12, 2011 03:49 PM              

*Individual Experience*

Note: ID perspective. The themes that are used are designed to frighten, on purpose. Also, I only see this inside me, This is a mental thing. What I am beating around the bush is, I am not giving you this as a "Here, this is from me" Use reason and think for yourself please.

See it through your own eyes.

I am your spoken truth+
I am the lies in you-
I'm gonna make you shine in everything you do+ -
I am your lighted way+
And I'm your darkest day-
I'm here to help you see you can rely on me + -

Just consider me your friend + -
I am until the end + -
Can I guarantee you life? + -
I don't think I can + -

This isn't the life for me + -
This isn't the way I wanna be + -
And let me tell you + -
Death will come when I'm good and ready (positive energy) +

I am your peace of mind +
Confusing all your time -
I'm running through your veins, I am your pain + -
I thought by now you'd know +
I'll never let you go -
It's time you recognize I am the devil's eyes (negative energy) -

Just consider me your friend + -
I am until the end + -
Can I guarantee you life? + -
I don't think I can + -

This isn't the life for me + -
This isn't the way I wanna be + -
And let me tell you + -
Death will come when I'm good and ready +

This isn't the life for me + -
This isn't the way I wanna be + -
And let me tell you + -
Death will come when I'm good and ready + -

Take me by my hand+
And let me show you what I am -
I'm taking control again + -
Now I know I can +
Take you back to where it all began -
'Cause I am +

Karma*

Please stop holding my hand. Stand on your own feet. + -

Scorpio Energy/ Refocused, Then forced into a more positive direction.

An uneasy balance, but I manage.

Sun Conjunct Uranus.

You are quite impulsive and like to do everything your own way, when and how you want. If you do not get your own way, you may feel quite frustrated and angry, although you are not likely to lose your temper. Instead you will be disruptive and rebellious in subtle ways. Your need for freedom is very strong, but unless you learn some self- discipline, you will never finish any project you start. However, if you build your own system of discipline instead of trying to work with the discipline imposed by others, you will do quite well.

You are quite innovative and creative and can see new ways of doing things before other people do. If you can control your tendency to act rashly and impulsively, you will be able to accomplish a great deal.

With the Sun conjunct Uranus, you are highly aware of yourself. You move freely in your environment, expressing yourself in your own unique fashion, unmindful that some people regard you as an eccentric. When your freedom is curtailed or denied, you have the courage to fight to regain it.

Your self-confident and sometimes even arrogant behavior developed early in life, in keeping with your accelerated individuality.

You love being free, and your profession must provide you with freedom to perform your assigned tasks in your own way. The possibilities for a career are almost unlimited. Politics, science, education, or some technical aspect of industry would allow you to exploit your creative potentials.

Your philosophy is progressive, and these fields would benefit from your intuition and forethought.

posted February 12, 2011 06:29 PM              

Normally, Unless a person is really angry or upset, they would not take it that far.

Most people use reason, I am sure many are not aware of it.

posted February 12, 2011 07:22 PM              

- Very few things that I find myself honestly to be in disagreement with you two on.

The nice thing about keeping the company of mountain goats, is the view they can get from being way up there on the mountain

posted February 12, 2011 08:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Mblake81:
"I believe in loyalty as long as it does not cause pain"

Can a person be loyal to his or her own ideas and feelings?

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I absolutely believe that a personc an be loyal to his or her own feelings. I think it is a must. I try to stay out of situations where people are being dishonest or gossiping. I end up removing myself from the situation so that I don't "hear" what is said but there are times when I can't get away from it.

I am also in a position where people confide in me and some of what they say is of a sensitive nature. Not to mention being privy to information that if asked I would lie in a heartbeat about any knowledge.

posted February 12, 2011 09:24 PM              

Now then. Build from here, If anything happens, you have this strong place to come back to, to regain your footing, then continue again on a new course.

Think of it like the metal clips that rock climbers use, you know to keep from falling far.

Basically life is like climbing a wall, Is it not?

You certainly do not want to make your way to the top, only to fall at the last minute with no safety.

posted February 18, 2011 05:58 AM            

There are the ones that are good with convincing others that their lies are true and go to extremes to manipulate info.

Too bad they think their behaviour is rational.

posted February 19, 2011 10:17 PM              

http://www.egyptian-scarabs.co.uk/weighing_of_the_heart.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maat

food for thought

Note: Very old order, but always relevant. Connected to Ma'at.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tao

The flow wiki links that I have posted were to demonstrate the effect of "connecting" to the universe, and what it can do as a positive to a persons mind. I hope I have achieved some measure of success in this area.

Note: Unknowingly to lie, is the same as the serpent, apophis. Unnatural chaos.

Not the same as natural chaos.

Knowledge can lead to self regulation in this area, You are the one responsible for yourself anyway. You enter alone, you leave alone, you are judged alone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJDLZRv1otE

"A king may move a man" This speech hits the nail on the head, I hope it has impact on you, as It did on me.

The man in the mask is supposed to be this king.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin_IV_of_Jerusalem

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6aPgA5549g

posted February 19, 2011 11:19 PM              

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Originally posted by Mblake81:

You enter alone, you leave alone, you are judged alone.

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Blake

Ive been quoting the same many a times lately..with the exception of
"you are judged alone."
Which i presumed to be understood.
What a co-incidence!

Thats a beautiful egyptian depiction!

posted February 19, 2011 11:33 PM              

1. I have not committed sin.

2. I have not committed robbery with violence.

3. I have not stolen.

4. I have not slain men or women

5. I have not stolen food.

6. I have not swindled offerings.

7. I have not stolen from God/Goddess.

8. I have not told lies.

9. I have not carried away food.

10. I have not cursed.

11. I have not closed my ears to truth

12. I have not committed adultery.

13. I have not made anyone cry.

14. I have not felt sorrow without reason

15. I have not assaulted anyone

16. I am not deceitful.

17. I have not stolen anyone’s land

18. I have not been an eavesdropper

19. I have not falsely accused anyone.

20. I have not been angry without reason.

21. I have not seduced anyone’s wife.

22. I have not polluted myself.

23. I have not terrorized anyone.

24. I have not disobeyed the Law. (Is this the law of Ma'at?)

25. I have not been exclusively angry.

26. I have not cursed God/Goddess.

27. I have not behaved with violence.

28. I have not caused disruption of peace.

29. I have not acted hastily or without thought.

30. I have not overstepped my boundaries of concern.

31. I have not exaggerated my words when speaking.

32. I have not worked evil.

33. I have not used evil thoughts, words or deeds.

34. I have not polluted the water

35. I have not spoken angrily or arrogantly.

36. I have not cursed anyone in thought, word or deeds.

37. I have not placed myself on a Pedestal.

38. I have not stolen what belongs to God/Goddess.

39. I have not stolen from or disrespected the deceased.

40. I have not taken food from a child.

41. I have not acted with insolence.

42. I have not destroyed property belonging to God/Goddess.

These 42 declarations were pronounced by the deceased after Anubis took him/her to the presence of the Goddess Maat and the Divine Judge Tehuti. If the Principles of Maat were respected the heart of the deceased would have nothing weighing down, so it would be lighter than the feather and everlasting life would be given due to respect of these laws that balance the Universe.

It is from these Principles, erroneously called the 42 Negative Confessions by European Egyptologists that the Christian religion got it’s 10 Commandments. Unlike the Spook principle of Idols and exterior divinity our ancestors manifested the indwelling divinity and said “I have not” instead of being ordered “Thou Shalt not”.

posted February 19, 2011 11:45 PM              

Note: Counterpart = Yin/Yang. Negative or Positive and are not mutually exclusive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoth

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Thoth

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermeticism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermes_Trismegistus

As above, so below

Displaying the Hermetic concept of as above, so below.

These words circulate throughout occult and magical circles, and they come from Hermetic texts. The concept was first laid out in The Emerald Tablet of Hermes Trismegistus, in the words "That which is Below corresponds to that which is Above, and that which is Above, corresponds to that which is Below, to accomplish the miracles of the One Thing".

In accordance with the various levels of reality: physical, mental, and spiritual, this relates that what happens on any level happens on every other. This is however more often used in the sense of the microcosm and the macrocosm. The microcosm is oneself, and the macrocosm is the universe. The macrocosm is as the microcosm, and vice versa; within each lies the other, and through understanding one (usually the microcosm) you can understand the other.

It is helpful to know both sides, once again. Universal truth, works universally.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seshat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rope_stretcher

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On a related but separate note:

posted February 20, 2011 12:03 AM              

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Originally posted by Mblake81:
The counterpart of Ma'at, Thoth.

Note: Counterpart = Yin/Yang. Negative or Positive and are not mutually exclusive.

[[/URL]

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Why and why not?
i will have to go through the links.

seems like you know a great deal about egyptian mythology...!

i asked you about the same before...and again the same topic came up in while the soul slumbers section...where dean happened to point out that auras can coexist as positive and negative but he was not sure how it relates to karma.

posted February 20, 2011 12:10 AM              

I am unsure what the artist actually had in mind.

posted February 20, 2011 12:15 AM              

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Originally posted by rajji:

i asked you about the same before...and again the same topic came up in while the soul slumbers section...where dean happened to point out that auras can coexist as positive and negative but he was not sure how it relates to karma.

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The two energies need each other to work. One is the motivator for the other to take action, or both would remain stagnant and basically die. (Note: that may not be the correct wording on the last part.)

The depiction and Angkor Wat shows this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angkor_Wat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebQ8YTUXi9U

http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinchai/3822618948/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samudra_manthan

posted February 20, 2011 12:25 AM              

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Originally posted by Mblake81:
The two energies need each other to work. One is the motivator for the other to take action, or both would remain stagnant and basically die.

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Yes ive envisaged it in the same way.

posted February 20, 2011 12:26 AM              

One force needs another to live, A counter-balance. The process of the two balancing each other is what creates life, in a sense.

This has played out so many times in history, Yet we seem ignorant. (For you people that like tv, everybody loves raymond is a story of a man and woman etc etc. Life) although it is tv life.

One example is the union of man and woman, the two are supposed to make a balanced equation.

They make life, One small act of god, in a very real sense. ( which is why when i see children abused I get very upset, These people are irresponsible, in every sense.) But that is once again, an example of one energy motivating another into existence.

Note: The statements above are an example of an idea that has to have a process to work. The process required balance in order to make a long lasting solution, or else one energy would overwhelm the other, the remaining energy would then die off because it has no counter-balance to continue making life possible.

posted February 20, 2011 12:43 AM              

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Originally posted by Mblake81:
[B]It is basically the same as everything else.

One force needs another to live, A counter-balance. The process of the two balancing each other is what creates life, in a sense.

One example is the union of man and woman, the two are supposed to make a balanced equation.

B]

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Blake I dont think it is basically the same for everything else.
It Holds true only for the example that you quoted above and for a few others.

But definately not for everything thats where Universal laws and spiritual laws of the cosmos fits in.

Ive been reading about it for past few days ...im in the process of understanding it ...purification of both the soul and body can only lead to karma clearing.

posted February 20, 2011 12:48 AM              

To me, It is now, All the same.

But I do have my own individual preferences.

Also your ability to comprehend, see, understand, how everything can be broken down like this, It is mainly based on a persons individual knowledge and experience.

posted February 20, 2011 12:54 AM              

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Originally posted by Mblake81:
To me, It is now, All the same.

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Well...i really dont want to dwell deeper into it...may be for now i will have to be content with the same...but will surely try to unlock some of them when im in the mood.