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Topic: Pathological Liars
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Randall
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From: Saturn next to Charmaine
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posted February 10, 2011 04:53 PM
  
While some people are very honest, everyone still lies. Lying is one of the first things a child learns to do after learning to speak. But what about pathological lying? Has anyone known a person who lies so much that they can't ever be truthful? Or that don't even realize they are lying? IP: Logged |
Mblake81
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posted February 10, 2011 05:45 PM
bad pattern. lots of pain heading that persons way. People, in general, do not like liars. At the same time, you cant force a person to be honest. Social pressures can inspire honesty. Honestly, Inspiration is best, although you can consider it an "underhanded" approach. I would rather people regulate themselves, social pressure can do that too. IP: Logged |
TrueTaurus
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posted February 10, 2011 06:57 PM
Yes, of course. It's hard for me to understand.
Lying creates so much trouble and you need to constantly create stories to match up the previous lie. I noticed that liars have one thing in common. They are afraid of truth and would cut off ties with people who bluntly tell them their faults. My dad and brother are examples, and my recent ex. When you tell them, "hey you lied to me about this." Their answers are "no, i don't remember saying that," or "in your opinion it's a lie." It's so much easier to be Real and better for everyone in the long run. Karma usually gets back at them because they can't keep up with their own lies. Turns out they weren't as smart as they thought they were.IP: Logged |
Mblake81
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posted February 10, 2011 07:17 PM
When you see it like this, karma is almost like a mechanical machine.One gear connects to the next, and the next, and the next etc etc. Now which gear is turning? the negative ones or the positive? sometimes they have to connect. It produces a specific outcome, but is subject to the one thing, that all things seem bound by, Time. Sometimes its so fast, other times it drags out soo damn slowly. the slow times are a test of your mental character for sure, it can be a maddening experience. I had to remove myself from that process as much as possible. It got worse over time. I had the intelligence to save myself from a bad outcome, Just take a look down the row of gears that is turning, What is coming your way?
do you like puzzles? I do not like them.
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heavenlyhera
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From: Jax, Fl, US
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posted February 10, 2011 08:03 PM
I will lie. Under the condition I am doing it because I know the person I am with can't handle the truth.Ex. My Aries Ex was upset at me because I had been with a girl before him. And we all know Aries smack their heads against a wall, nonstop. I was in this relationship with this one Scorpio girl from my school. Aries could not stomach the idea that a girl could do something for me. lol. It got to the point he was making me feel horrible all the time and just wanting to "f*ck" to ease his mind of this girl. I started having less and less value to him. Eventually I lied and told him I just dated her as a joke and we never did anything. I just told him we did because I thought it was exciting. Lets just say he pushed so damn hard to get into my past and my private life that I had to pretty much lie to him about my past history. It's sad but I knew it was making him sick. All he ever wanted to talk about was that. He wanted to go out and sleep with other girls to ease his mind. It was horrible. I felt like by lying that maybe in due time he'd realise that as a person, I have a lot to offer. And he'd come to love me through that.
And things would be just normal between us. It sounds crazy but in this case. I would be considered a pathological liar for having to hide my past from him. But as a person on a day to day basis. What is the point in lying? You are who you are. When someone develops an obsession with that stuff like my Aries did though..I could see it was making him sick. He already had to seek therapy for anxiety problems. I don't feel bad for him not knowing the truth. I should but I don't. All he needs to know is it was always him and I loved him with all of my heart at one point. IP: Logged |
TrueTaurus
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From: California
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posted February 10, 2011 08:42 PM
heavenlyhera, sounds like he was immature. He shouldn't have made you feel that way...I don't know the exact term for it but maybe an alpha male complex? Not all lying is bad, but I think we learn to know what kind of lying is ok and what is not. Even Aristotle did not state that all lying is bad because in certain circumstances, we should, for the better. For example, my philosophy professor gave us an example as to what type of lying is ok. Your grandmother is on her deathbed, and you, as her grandchild found out your grandfather is cheating on her. Are you supposed to tell her the truth? This is a type of lying, as he called it, "passive-lying." But of course you shouldn't tell her the truth. IP: Logged |
Mblake81
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posted February 10, 2011 10:05 PM
It seems people are too immature to know the truth, so they hide it from one another.Who are you really hiding from anyway?
Babes
systematic debilitative boxed thought! "pasive-lying" is still lying, there is no grey area. This is weak thought. I will not tolerate this horse sh-t go back to your books. dirty IP: Logged |
Mblake81
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posted February 10, 2011 10:31 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KJauwm1PZo&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_3bZ64OXlo
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Mblake81
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posted February 10, 2011 11:07 PM
Proper f---in ATAJO,Go ahead, make a response and fall on my sword, boy IP: Logged |
NickiG
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From: Pluto, next to Ami Ann
Registered: Jul 2010
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posted February 10, 2011 11:23 PM
i know someone who is a pathological liar....he always lies and actually believes his lies------------------
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Mblake81
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posted February 10, 2011 11:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv8zzLVRF9g&feature=related IP: Logged |
Mblake81
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posted February 10, 2011 11:36 PM
Can a moderator please change his name, I do not care what it is, but take "True" out of it please.He is giving bad ideas, wolf in sheeps clothing. IP: Logged |
GypseeWind
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From: Love Street, she lingers long on Love Street..
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posted February 10, 2011 11:37 PM
A real pathological liar is truly frightening, because they really do believe their own lies.My last place of employment was owned by a lady who had this problem. I had heard about it beforehand, and I spent some time listening to her for awhile, and in my mind, she just seemed colorful, or a bit eccentric, and prone to exaggeration. It wasn't until I had to spend a whole 10 hours shift with her, that I began to see what everyone was talking about.
She would tell the same story to each customer (just some random event that happened, like, a fight from the night before or whatever) but each time she told the story, she would change significant details, and embellish to the point where the story was nothing like the truth.
And she believed it! Then she would try to bring me into it, saying, "Right Gyps, you were there, tell them!"
I would just find something to make myself busy.
It was really bad. I found out later that she used to steal money out of the safe, that she bought Meth with, and she mixed it in her coffee every day.
She was out of her mind on drugs, and that's why she was like that.
Then, if she got caught by her spouse, about the missing money, she would blame it on whichever employee she disliked the most at the time.
We went through 8 employees in the 7 months I worked there. She also faked a robbery, a pregnancy, and she set her house on fire.
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Mblake81
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posted February 10, 2011 11:40 PM
GEEZ Gypsee, Some people are friggin nutty!
Oh oh lemme guess right? She was somehow "Not to blame?" right?
Oblivious people. I mean, I really cant tolerate these people and I try very hard. IP: Logged |
NickiG
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From: Pluto, next to Ami Ann
Registered: Jul 2010
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posted February 10, 2011 11:44 PM
that is disturbing, Gyps...the pathological liar i know does the same kinds of things for Cocaine and any other drug he can get his hands on------------------
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charmainec
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From: Venus next to Randall
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 11, 2011 03:04 AM
Gyps, the part where you mention that they drag your name into it is classic.They are so into their lies that they actually believe others will back them up.I say tough. I'm not like that and will not lie for another sothat they may look good. IP: Logged |
TrueTaurus
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From: California
Registered: Nov 2010
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posted February 11, 2011 04:19 AM
Mlblake81,
I didn't quite understand what you said. Are you talking to/about me? I hope I didn't offend you.IP: Logged |
Mblake81
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posted February 11, 2011 07:07 AM
Yes, and you very much did. The problem, is I see how much suffering, your thought process is going to bring you down the road.I do not want your disease to spread, So I am quarantining it. IP: Logged |
TrueTaurus
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posted February 11, 2011 01:12 PM
I am sorry if I offended you...I just don't see why calling passive-lying a form of lying is bad, or whatever it was. People have different values, and you and I differ in that sense. IP: Logged |
Mblake81
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posted February 11, 2011 01:19 PM
Because lying is as real as any disease that has killed mankind in the past.You are quarantined. It is complete weakness of character, Nature should have killed this off long ago. Understand. I will not compromise here. Give up or prepare for more. IP: Logged |
TrueTaurus
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From: California
Registered: Nov 2010
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posted February 11, 2011 01:29 PM
You're entitled to your opinion, but I feel as those you're attacking.
What I said about passive-lying is directly taken from my Philosophy professor, who holds a doctorate in philosophy and whose expertise is in applied ethics. You don't have to agree with it, but I'm merely sharing what made sense to me.
Also, I think I made it pretty clear in my above posts that Lying is Lying...?
After reading your post above, I'm going to leave this thread. Have a nice day. I have no intention of changing your opinion. 
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Mblake81
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posted February 11, 2011 01:31 PM
Your professor is full of **** .Lying is lying. How is that not clear. You save NO ONE doing that.
You are an example of thought control.
This is the same as covering yourself with gasoline, then convincing yourself that you "can just light my pinky on fire" It will always spread. If i see this type of degenerate behavior, I will not hesitate to bite the head off, This is not good for the group, or the individual. Its like watching cancer rapidly spread. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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From: Dublin, CA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 11, 2011 02:17 PM
mblake, you're wrong on this. What TrueTaurus stated wasn't even a lie. It was technically an omission. You can't accuse a person who said nothing of telling a lie. That's what's "clear" here. It wouldn't save the already dying grandmother in any respect to have access to that information. In fact, the grandmother may already be well aware of it.With regard to the topic, I don't know any pathological liars. My old roommate is my closest experience, but he wasn't in the pathological range I don't think. IP: Logged |
Randall
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From: Saturn next to Charmaine
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 11, 2011 03:19 PM
I agree with AG (the world is coming to an end--sell everything you own! lol). MB, I think highly of you, and it's nice to see you passionate, but you have to be careful (especially so when your temper flares) to present your viewpoint without being abrasive, or else it will be viewed as an attack, and nothing can be learned from what you present. We are all guilty of it, and it's good to see that you are human, but take a breather and come back to re-read your words. Now as far as omission goes, the law interprets that as a lie is some cases. For example, lying to a party in a Contract is fraud. So, if I am selling a property I have under Contract but don't own, I have to state in writing that I am not the owner. If I say I am the owner, that's fraud. If I don't say anything, it's still fraud. It's fraud by omission, because I omitted a material fact. You would have every right to believe I'm the owner of something I am selling, unless I tell you otherwise, so I have effectively deceived you. And by law, that would be fraud (just the same as if I lied). So, I see your point. And in a relationship, if I intentionally omit something (like an ex showed up where my friends are, and sat down and had dinner with us, but I don't tell my gf about it), then I am (in my mind) being dishonest. That's just my take. But I also believe there are varying shades of grey. Sometimes compassion overrides the quest for total honesty to spare a dying person even more pain. I see both sides, and I feel that if you come off too strong in defending yours, it will prevent others from realizing the validity of it.  ------------------
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Mblake81
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posted February 11, 2011 06:30 PM
It came out sideways,that really tweaked me.Teaching people that "grey areas" are ok, just does not sit well with me. Especially when a person is asking for advice, and what you tell them is "lying just a lil bit, is ok if no one knows." Listen, If you lie, that is fine by me, I have done it, and will do it again. But my beef is when people delude themselves to think it is ok. When you lie, you lie, You should know that in your mind. Note: I was going after the idea, That is what I quarantined. I have watched lies spread, like sickness. Im telling(Edited: I realize this seems direct, I am just worried) you, when you let that run amok, it causes problems. Ag, Randall. Thanks for being patient and kind with me during my temper tantrums. These things will set me off, It is not the people, but the IDEA. But I do acknowledge I let myself get out of hand, Sometimes it is just too much to hold back. That is why it took a personal tone. Personal tone, in my case, normally does not work. IP: Logged | |
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