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Topic: Pathological Liars
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saronna
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From: Australia
Registered: Jan 2010
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posted April 29, 2011 11:28 PM
  
I think it's mental illness when they are pathological liarsIP: Logged |
Venus
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Registered: Mar 2011
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posted May 20, 2011 07:01 AM
ok so heres details on my cousin's chart:Rising Sign is in 02 Degrees Libra
Sun is in 29 Degrees Aries.
Moon is in 12 Degrees Libra.
Mercury is in 15 Degrees Taurus.
Mars is in 24 Degrees Gemini.
Jupiter is in 07 Degrees Gemini.
Saturn is in 13 Degrees Capricorn.
Uranus is in 05 Degrees Capricorn.
Neptune is in 12 Degrees Capricorn.
Pluto is in 14 Degrees Scorpio.
N. Node is in 03 Degrees Pisces.
so to re-cap he lies alot, almost all the time and its so easy now that you could almost believe him (i dont cous im a suspicious moon in scorp girl) he's also lazy, immature, and obsessed with his physical appearance.. that being said he is super popular, very funny, and in his good moments very kind and affectionate.
a typical libra rising/moon i believe without the good judgment.. IP: Logged |
nordicsoul
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posted August 03, 2016 02:15 AM
I am in my 40s and during my entire life I have not found many instances when lying spare any pain. People thing they are doing it out of compassion, really? What I noticed is that people who lie out of compassion want to avoid themselves going through the hard moment of seeing somebody stressed out, sad or the like and being the reason for that.. so it looks very selfish to me.. "hey I don't want to see you sad.. better i lie and hope you don't find out"honesty requires courage. courage to see somebody in pain (momentarily) but knowing that this person is going to be better off after. Being honest convey respect. any time someone has hurt me because of a hard true I have appreciated it more than anything else. conversely when someone has lied (out of compassion of course) I always has this feeling that you cannot trust anyone, and i become suspicious. I have moon-mercury square pluto so it is not easy to lie to me and when I noticed I have been lied or "omitted" a fact (lying in my view)it makes me angry and abused. i have not found many instances in my life when lying is justified. so whoever want to keep that view, I would say "have the courage to be honest and do not use compassion as an excuse" period IP: Logged |
nordicsoul
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posted August 03, 2016 02:46 AM
Let's say a friend of yours is a writer and he is trying to publish a book and he goes to you and ask "what do you think?".. you think it is crap, but the first impulse may be "it is great, etc" again.. if that friend wanted a lie would it go to you to ask? he-she may want validation, but with true facts, not with lies. so if you think it is crap, why not tell him-her so? if I were the writer I want to know how my book is perceived... if you do not like it, then i want to know, that would help me to understand the audience..people are so used to lie than then any positive comment becomes "bla bla bla". if i know that I will always get a white lie out of my performance then someone saying "your presentation was great" mean nothing to me. actually it is annoying because you can never tell when it is a lie or when it is praise deserved. is that is the world we want to live in? I do not.. I wish most human interaction were rid of all the lies. i suspect one factor in people insecurity is the double message "i don't like what you did but i tell you i like it to spare you pain" because people receive messages in conscious (language) and unconscious (non verbal cues) they receive double messages and that creates cognitive dissonance. there are tons of experiments that show that even animals can react to what someone is thinking of them. many parents commit the mistake of telling their children "how great artist you are when kids come with their work of art" why not ask instead about the work of the child the meaning, etc.. nooo, instead, lets get rid of this child by saying some nonsense praise. IP: Logged |
PixieJane
Moderator Posts: 8162
From: CA
Registered: Oct 2010
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posted August 03, 2016 03:30 AM
Pathological liars aren't lying to protect feelings or preserve the social harmony. They don't even lie so much to protect themselves, gain revenge, or escape consequences (at least not as a primary consideration). I don't understand it, but it's distinct from normal lying. I consider it a mental illness (unless it's some kid, probably 13 or younger) rather than a character flaw, and thus not particularly discernible with astrology. They're the people who claim to have been in pivotal battles, killed dictators while with the special forces (even if he was a minor at the time and the one killed was is in a penitentiary), and terrorist incidents (one joked that an "often heard line" from these people would be something like "As I was dragging bodies from the collapsing World Trade Center..."), who have rose to the top in multiple fields, claim to be far more wealthy than they are and how they know famous people, or are famous. They might claim to be a known celebrity, but more likely they'll claim to be their own celebrity, like someone I read about who never played violin or left the United States claimed--among many other amazing things--to have been going on tours in Europe as a child prodigy with the violin. She convinced several people of this with the illusion shattering when they decided to celebrate her birthday by calling up all the people she supposedly knew to create a "this is your life" thing. Note that these are stacked on one top of each other. War hero, the original drummer for the Beatles, saved Trump's fortune when they stayed at the same hotel, won a race, but currently overcoming cancer which ate up his money, as just one example (that would all be by the same person). And most pathological liars know they can't keep it up and dread when the house of cards come tumbling down but are unable to stop themselves (which is why some seek psychiatric help--those must be some interesting sessions!  ). Here's an old TZ episode about a pathological liar called Hocus-Pocus and Frisby :
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x14853m_hocus-pocus-and-frisby_lifestyle IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted August 03, 2016 12:11 PM
A well-known astrologer is being accused of this. At least one that's known online. I don't know what to think. I didn't like them for a while there, but I see something building that I'm not keen on, as well. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted August 03, 2016 01:03 PM
Oh, I remember this thread now. Look at the date. I think a pathological liar was behind what happened back then. A "he" who had women fawning all over him, for some reason. And then a reminder of the people who think their intuition is right about people, when it really isn't - it's paranoia. I've been there, too - on the receiving end, and the one who was paranoid. IP: Logged | |
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